Systemic Racism vs. Racial Inequities | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter | The Glenn Show

[@hypergraphic]

I do believe systems are often the cause of many problems due to unintended circumstances, but the term "systemic racism", makes it sounds like all the problems are systemic and on the largest level. That the problems can never because by personal choices or community dynamics. There are a lot of layers between "the system is rigged" and "it's all your fault".

[@vincentmilburn]

100%. Everyone's situation is a complicated and unique mix of inner and outer factors.

[@martinguila]

Having a narrative of the system is rigged I think leads to learned helplessness. Studies have shown perceptions of unfairness lowers motivation, so by exaggerating the problem we might hurt marginalized groups. Being judgmental is harsh, some of it is hateful and racist, they might not know the real reasons for why someone under performs. But I think there is a way of being judgmental while wishing the best for someone. Like if a parent loves their children they will have high expectations for them because they wish the best for them. And minorities who's parents have higher expectations for their kids perform better in school. They spend more time studying ect. Obviously you can take that to far but you need some level of that, recognizing, seeing their potential and encouraging them strive for improvement.

[@amauryft]

SIDE NOTE! Big Fan here, originally from Brazil! The fact that these 2 GREAT GUYS HAVE TO rehash this Race Religion non sense ad nauseam is the proof we, Americans, are giving away this country's prominence and evolution to much lesser countries for literally NOTHING! Americans OF ALL COLORS will ultimately pay for this. It's depressing.

[@stanleycross6000]

Such an esoteric argument. Race is but one way this country is failing.

[@hcpalmer]

Yeah thumbs 👎🏿 on your anemic comment. These two men spent their time talking out both sides of their faces and twisting themselves in all kinds of knots to maintain their unstable position. You should be depressed that you fell for it.

[@amauryft]

@@stud6414 I am very aware of that, it's a shame regardless. Not only the Idea in question itself but the apathy of the general public who simply is unable to see it for what it is. The price will be high.

[@amauryft]

@@stanleycross6000 100%! If anything, the fact this division stands in this basis points to a lot of other failures! There is a lot falling apart, agreed.

[@rz2838]

@@hcpalmer on which part did they talk out of both sides of their mouth? Are you not going to produce a counter argument, or is that because you don’t have one?

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

Finally, some new material from Glenn and John! It's been a long wait! Strange that some 6 months I had not even heard of these guys.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

Material comes out nearly every week.

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

@@StrategicWealthLLC Yes, I know, but still the wait feels long. Might have something to do with these uneventful covid times.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

@@SvenErik_Lindstrom3 - Totally get it.

[@swansonz3534]

At no point in history, at any place on earth, amongst any group of people recorded, has anything remotely resembling equal representation in any field of work or endeavor been the case when people are left to their own desire and to openly compete. The notion that disparities means discrimination is fundamentally fallacious. Disparities are a sign of freedom, equal representation is the exact opposite.

[@noeltaylor3594]

And my response to what you said is: bull. . .shit. Thing is, we all know what went on AND how itbhas affected the black race. We can get two black men to shill all day long, but they know. They are tenured professors, right? It doesn't take one to know how this system affected blacks and how it continues.

[@glennriley3193]

No one should seriously debate disparities in outcomes. Obviously as you state, that will always be in a free society. The issue is disparities in opportunity, which for a number of historical American POLICY initiatives, specifically targeted at black Americans in a way that limited success in dozens of categories. Most notably wealth, or lack there of, that plays a role in everything from crime to education, to home value etc...

[@PAVANZYL]

@@noeltaylor3594 Listen to Thomas Sowell describe disparities around the world. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4uspYB-mJiih6M&ab_channel=HooverInstitution

[@willharriman1881]

@@PAVANZYL None of Sowell's talking points change the hard reality about actual white racism in America!

[@willharriman1881]

@@glennriley3193 Sowell loves point at some silly exceptions and pretend that actual white racism never played any role in Black American failures! He's just another paid shill sellout!

[@SaddenedSoul]

Part of the issue is I think a lack of patience for nuance--it takes Glenn and John, extremely intelligent and educated individuals, fifteen minutes to hash out even a relatively simplified, but still powerful, explanation of systemic racism as we understand it today. But the collective attention span is too limited to even entertain fifteen minutes--it has to be good or bad, black or white.

[@hcpalmer]

Ahhhh they talked out of both sides of their faces while trying to defend their untenable previously stated public position that systemic racism doesn't exist.

[@danielrose7536]

God made all colors. Is god a racist. I think not.

[@hcpalmer]

@@danielrose7536 God doesn't exist, and even if he/she/it/them does exist, he/she/it/them have abandoned us a very very long time ago...we are on our own man. But I digress, like I said, a invisible sky god doesn't exist, it's is a concept that is a 100% a human invention.

[@jasonsmith2032]

My condolences to you both! Thank you for having this conversation! You both bring so much nuance to a subject that NEEDS AND DEMANDS nuance but rarely receives it!

[@matthewfurlani8647]

This is the best conversation about the term "systemic racism" that ive ever heard

[@sonsoftexas]

The problem with a lot of this debate is a lack of foresight. So many of this blame the system has very real and very dangerous consequences. Using this as the overriding light that illuminates all policy allows very dangerous unintended consequences. What happens when standards are altered and basic skills like math become politicized and altered. Children not being able to do precise math only condemns kids to be impoverished adults who get consistently taken advantage of. So my question is how do these policies help fix disparities. I don’t believe that they do. That lack of foresight is killing the CRT movement. It directly harms those it claims to help. That’s astonishing to me that it has become so accepted considering how toxic it’s outcomes will be.

[@rbarnes4076]

My father once said: there is no limit to the depths of human stupidity. History is pretty much the QED on this thought. Current events simply reinforce this notion.

[@m.chumakov1033]

What's killing CRT movement is CRT tenets which are anti-human, anti-scientific, anti-White, anti-Black, anti-common sense, anti-logical. Insulting adults and indoctrinating kids has never been a good way to achieve anything.

[@bluebird6300]

Brilliant distillation, thank you 😊

[@amadeusdebussy6736]

"Is there such a thing as systemic racism?" and "Do you think our country is fundamentally built on and currently operates through pervasive systemic racism in every institution?" are two very, VERY different questions. Often the first is asked when the second is intended.

[@hejiranyc]

The only concrete example of systemic racism I can think of is the systemic denial of highly-achieving Asian Americans from universities based on their race.

[@wtice4632]

Its all a motte and bailey fallacy. Its manipulation

[@uwejacobs4021]

The question that is being studiously avoided even in this conversation is whether there is systemic racism NOW and if so, whether it is pervasive. If you look around in either progressive-leaning parts of the country or academia, such a claim is refuted by all experience, but it is precisely there that that one gets shunned or fired if one gives an honest answer.

[@noeltaylor3594]

Didn't like your open, but loved how you closed.

[@Psych9589]

I don’t think there is systematic racism now because you don’t really need them. History negatively affected the black psychology especially during the 70s and 80s to where many blacks keep themselves from progressing believing that the system is broken and is against them. But many blacks are slowly reversing this kind of thinking and some proof of that is that black poverty rate at the end of 2023 was historically low.

[@jamesmurphy5315]

I beg to differ with Glenn and John. I think it is very fair to conclude that American education is indeed racially biased. A detached observer might even call it "systemic racism" (I'm motioning my hands in circles :) . American education systemically discriminates in favor of racial minorities other than Asians.....examples abound.

[@blakesleyk.7166]

Other than Asians and, I’d add, Native Americans. Very troubling.

[@nealorr5086]

@@blakesleyk.7166 Native Americans access universities with the same lowered standards that blacks do. Interesting, it is argued, and I think quite compellingly, that the reason that people living on reservations are poor is because the "tribe" owns the land and not them. That's certainly systemic and applies to once "race", but is just run-of-the-mill government ineptitude.

[@stanleycross6000]

No one in this thread has mentioned white legacy students or that Black admissions are not directly responsible for Asians not getting into schools. Let's end legacy admissions.

[@hejiranyc]

@@stanleycross6000 Legacy admissions have nothing to do with racism. Focus. The systemic racism is that Asians, on average, have to score 200+ points higher on their SATs compared to WHITE students to get into Harvard.

[@stanleycross6000]

@@hejiranyc No I think YOU need to focus. Legacy admissions are a problem to all admissions. And If Asians are doing so well then they should replace "WHITE" students. But keep in mind that test scores are NOT the sole criteria, being well rounded is key.

[@markpekrul4393]

If anyone were to ask me - Do you think this is a systemically racist country? I would do exactly as they do here - ask "what do you mean by that?" before trying to answer. Same with CRT, Anti-Racism, and a host of other buzz-words which have as many ways to be defined as there are people using them.

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

And then, I would explain that those words and phrases are emotive conjugates (i.e. estate tax vs wealth tax vs death tax… synonyms that create very different emotional responses). What they are often saying is the past impacts the present.

[@researchsiempre]

Give examples of systemic racism in 2021. I'll go first: denying Asians admission to college to allow in lower GPA POC.

[@Psych9589]

Or denying Asians admission to college to admit a white legacy student that probably had lower scores but parents donate a lot of money.

[@codyrod]

Two parent households are making a comeback in black communities. This is the single greatest change that can be made for progress. It will lead to safer communities, lower the incarceration rate, and more highschool graduates.

[@jonpanush3973]

making a comeback? lol

[@rosafalls8068]

I can't stand the term, "Systemic Racism," because it turns things into a giant Borg System, too big and unwieldy to do anything about, removing individuality and locality. Change only happens on a smaller, local, individual level where we know the uniqueness of ourselves, others, and that area and people. Then, it's not a system, but a smaller, more doable challenge and investment that slowly spreads outward. And as far as testing goes, a LOT of people do terrible on standardized tests. They're the bane of a lot of non-standardized humans who for whatever reasons, aren't wired up like a standardized system....and maybe, that's the issue with the term, "Systemic," because it denotes, "Standardized," and that all racism, all problems and solutions are the same, rather than unique and individual. We all know we should have a standard bar of proof for literacy and mathematics, etc, but there could be other ways to test for that rather than tossing it all out. Sometimes, the alternative ways of testing aren't even easier than the standard forms, however, many non standard students who may have obtained knowledge and creativity a bit differently due to culture or poverty may be able to prove aptitude and appetite to shine brighter outside a systemic test. My favorite college professors often allowed the option of writing papers rather than taking finals. They knew it was harder to do that, however, they also knew many students ruin their good grades at the end on the final exams because skill and creativity doesn't show through on them. Only a couple students ever chose the work of writing a paper, and it always was the students from non-standard backgrounds, often poorer, yet, more seriously academic and interested who chose to write and flex that way, rather than blend into being a mere number on a systemic test. The number one simplest thing everyone can do to combat racism, poverty, and future potential to combat inequities of various kinds is have lots of books in the house and read them to their kids. Over and over again, this is the one systemically similar story of the moment of hope for so many children of all colors, surrounded by hopeless situations. Read, read, read and expose kids to lots and lots of literature. It may be time to set up teen and adult literacy coaches to teach people to read and write again, so that all people of all colors can escape spiritual enslavement. There is no Freedom from The System without literacy.

[@michaelhiggins2562]

Agree, same for "white privilege." Yes, we all believe in "privilege." In the early 60's while in business school --- we learned taller better looking men advanced faster in corporate America. Thin pople get hired more rapidly that fat people. White is to much of another giant Borg System.

[@rosafalls8068]

@@michaelhiggins2562 I can't really reply properly because I know nothing of the 1960's corporate world. What I am curious about, since, it sounds like you may know, is why are so many wealthier older white men who came of age in the 1960's often so bitter and seem to love other people's misery? This is only anecdotal from my experiences the past year, but the older men about age 70 are very unhappy and even go out to shop for suffering and harass younger women, such as teens and mothers with children searching empty shelves. They seem to take joy in misery of younger women, which I find quite curious, particularly since these are wealthier retired males who should be content and secure. But they go out on the streets and get out of fancy cars and scream at young women across the street, accusing them of murder and to put a mask on. Or they wander with empty carts looking for mothers trying to find supplies and say, "We need to suffer and learn more humility, we haven't suffered enough." I am wondering what happened to cause this stunted childish behavior and temper? I often feel like what's going on the world right now is all the unsolved issues and ghosts of the men born of WWII. If there is any such thing as white privilege, it's only for a few who have money (billions) to get away with it and the privilege to foist upon everyone else their unresolved very old issues. And as far as thin people being hired more rapidly than their husky counterparts, it's probably, only evolutionary to reason that one moves and gets the work done, while the other may be less of a workaholic....however, I've learned heavyset often means more of a workaholic, which has upset their metabolic balance and blood pressure, thus leading to weight. A thin person is more likely to maintain a work/life balance and say no to things. Thin also indicates youthfulness and virility. Although, modern thin males are often fine-boned, gracile creatures and would not be chosen by fellow males over their huskier and muscular counterparts in a team sport.....not to offend. The question everyone is asking, is where is the privilege? Who has this illusive thing and why are the very few entities with it trying to distract us all by turning us against each other by age, race, gender, status, politics? And why did you feel compelled to complain at me by dredging up more of this vintage bitterness that is being used to turn younger people against each other? I came here to listen to Glen and John because these are two of very few fatherly men with leadership, wisdom, and knowledge speaking and mulling things for us. There aren't very many men doing this and strong enough. And I'm thankful they're trying in an insane world.

[@TheNas45]

It’s nice to say whatever you want to say without being challenged.

[@georgeeliot651]

Like msnbc

[@TheNas45]

@@georgeeliot651 like FOX NEWS

[@georgeeliot651]

@@TheNas45 so true. But I was making the point that democrats are always saying republicans need to be challenged but don't ever wanna be challenged themselves like on MSNBC. And by the way at least Fox news has the guts to put some left wingers on their network to challenge conservative talking points once in a while unlike MSNBC who have only panels of people who believe the exact same things agreeing with each other.

[@TheNas45]

@@georgeeliot651 You mean Liberal props whom they can easily cut off mid sentence at will?

[@georgeeliot651]

@@TheNas45 no and again if that happens the left does the exact same shit

[@2010COpall]

Hard to find a clear definition of systemic racism, but to this 63 year old, working class white guy, it seems to be defined by activists as power structures that have been put into place to keep people of color locked into social and economic disadvantage.... Now here is what I don't get: If systemic racism rules the day in America as the activist also claim, then why have so many people of color been able to climb higher on the social/economic ladder than I have, or ever wanted to, during my lifetime?

[@wtice4632]

These activists are simply lying to grift for their income, justify their jobs and further their collectivist agenda

[@curtislundberg3570]

Love listening to conversations between Glenn and John. Currently, too many people feel like they will get fired for opposing the concepts/statements pushed in mandatory company diversity/inclusion/equity (DIE) meetings...

[@pablopumarestaminiau7512]

Excellent summary of Systemic Racism by Mr Loury: systemic racism as a morally acceptable cop-out when they dare you to point to morally troubling reasons for disparities among people

[@polymathlevel8]

I bless your name.

[@pariah_carey]

3:00 they don’t believe it either. they just want to use the accusations as a bargaining chip for emotionally manipulating the faculty into doing what they want and giving them special treatment. 7:40 apparently Glenn agrees, although he put it much more eloquently than me

[@karennorris7880]

Agreed. Correlation is not causation. I also dislike the term systemic racism because it implies that a solution to a problem is as easy as finding the system flaw and fixing it, and that’s never the case. Without denying that racism exists, I think each problem (e.g. incarceration rates, test scores, etc.) needs to be examined individually to determine the root cause or causes.

[@taylorlayton4508]

My criticism has been similar to John McWhorter's. From an activist's point of view, "systemic racism" seems to really misguide what solutions should take place. Racism isn't the issue - access and economic opportunity is. Fixing it doesn't require dismantling the whole system, or reinterpreting the American constitution (1619 project). It requires just and progressive economic policy, something you could get from Rawls, much less so from Kendi. McWhorter said it best with "the road in is not the same way as the road out." Black people don't need racial sensitivity trainings everywhere and admissions of white guilt. They need investment in their communities and access to quality education. They don't need anti-racist policing, they need rehabilitative punishment and records expunged. From a historian's point of view, great include systemic racism - it certainly is a great descriptive, historical concept. Looking forward, it just muddies the waters.

[@stefanbatory3632]

Is it, though? When mental capability is accounted for, SES plays no role in educational attainment.

[@hejiranyc]

So much hot air, hand wringing, equivocation and blame game regarding racial disparities. It all boils down to one word: CULTURE. End of story. Until you address the culture, nothing changes.

[@StuartZechman]

Magnificently cogent, persuasive analyses.

[@axepagode33626]

If you think about this in terms sports and athletics, the concept racial inequity because of a racial bias goes away. It is 99% merit and performance.

[@willharriman1881]

Unique disfavored treatment imposed on Black Americans in the USA isn't based on sports competitions! The simple truth is that white racism abuses are quite REAL!

[@axepagode33626]

@@willharriman1881 But, it doesn't manifest in sports. The current logic is to look at outcomes to determine if racism exists. If we really expect equity across the board, the NFL, MLB, and the NBA should be forced to change their hiring process to account for the racial discrepancies. Basically, there are not enough white people in the NBA or NFL. There are not enough Hispanic people in the NBA or NFL. However, hiring athletes based on race, ethic origin, sexuality or religion would be wrong and extremely stupid. You probably understand this. All the athletes understand this. All the fans of the sports, understand this. The supporters of diversity, inclusion, and equity understand this, but would never admit it as it counters their narrative equality of outcome through equity.

[@willharriman1881]

@@axepagode33626 We have to remember that the entire sports world is really just a few results based tokens on display! The White American system at large is historically based on white supremacy supremacy! This continues even today! Outside of sports, highly qualified Black Americans are routinely passed over in hiring and promotions for the benefit of LESS QUALIFIED WHITES!

[@noeltaylor3594]

@@axepagode33626 Please stop confusing intellectual superiority with military. No, you're not smarter because you're white. You're " smarter" because of historic advantages.

[@axepagode33626]

@@willharriman1881 The claim of tokenism is completely unsubstantiated. I think you know this already. Those leagues generate billions of dollars every season. The colleges, high schools, and AAU teams train millions of athletes every year. It all feeds into the professional leagues. Sports in the US across all levels is well over a trillion dollars. It is disingenuous to call it a token display. The DEI concepts do not and will not work in these leagues. The white American system is also a capitalist system. Green is more important than any other color. Highly qualified black professional have jobs thrown at them. They are given several opportunities to advance. Since the 70s, affirmative action programs have boosted woman and black all over the US. It continues until this day. But, you can only go so far without superior talent. It is pretty clear after a few years who has real talent. Education is only one part of the equation. There is one thing that is true, the HIGHLY QUALIFIED BLACK professional don't need equity or affirmative action to move up or succeed. The average talented people do.

[@dledge1080]

And round and round we go with a thirst to explain B failure, B criminality.... America has been attempting to explain these things since the 60s. 22 plus trillion has been spent and very little has changed. The same people looking to explain these realities in 5, 10, 20, 30 years will still go back to "its the systematic systems of structural instructions fault". It will never end.

[@2013lovemy]

Glenn is taking notes of his buddy spittin truth! lol 😆. I love them both so much…

[@robertl.crawford4369]

A rhetorical weapon ...wow, that was some hot SMOKE!

[@travisfrost6508]

there isn't systemic racism, the system discriminates against everyone..

[@robertl.crawford4369]

Systemic racism isn't a significant hindrance to the overall progress of Americans.

[@pepps779]

The issue with systemic racism is that racialists use it as an ever fluid term to suit their arguments more often than not. If they are advocating it to the ignorant they will frame it merely as institutional racism, such as Jim Crow laws, etc, yet if challenged on it suddenly systemic racism becomes a broad/amorphous term used to keep the opponent from pinning them down to any defensible/objective point.

[@OptimusNiaa]

My concern is that, in analyses of groups and trends and disparities and parities and so on, the individual autonomous person (their character, their schedule of values, their circumstances, their choices) can get abstracted away. The focus is on groups, the questions are about groups, and the sorts of causal explanations that such inquiry is naturally going to emphasize are similarly aggregate in nature. Bringing in the individual isn't feasible because we can't know those details about literally millions of individuals. (And, even if we could, such vast amounts of unique data points would inordinately complicate the analysis.) That isn't to say such analysis shouldn't be done. But rather, that we must always remember that such analysis deals with abstractions, ideas that we can evaluate and manipulate, but that the real world is inhabited by individuals. And, my own anecdotal observation is a trend of people not remembering that.

[@jaydubya3698]

What's the bigger problem for black americans: actual "systemic racism" or the idea of "systemic racism?" I'd say that though both exist, the latter, not the former, is the bigger problem in the every day lives of many (not all, but many) black folks in the US. Constantly obsessing about the notion that the system is rigged against you has all sorts of negative consequences: "Why should I try in school if I'm gonna get screwed eventually anyway?"; "Why should I work hard at a job when the man won't promote me because I'm black?"; "The only places where I can do me and feel OK is on the courts or rapping"'; "That white man don't like me...I can tell...for sure he's racist"; "You're an engineer...why you acting so white?" And on and on and on.

[@noahsembly]

Love to have you talk and address why the Church has also gone so woke and self loathing on racism, even to the degree of ignoring inconvenient parts of occurrences. It's not enough to treat people with love and kindness you have to "do the work" as you say.

[@radiantmind8729]

Unfortunately, when one doesn't read well, write well, or know much math, one tends to not do very well on standardized tests. Solve those problems, and those test scores are going to go right up.

[@stefanbatory3632]

Not like nobody tried.

[@Fauxklore23]

Any time someone says "systemic" anything or yammers on about "inequality" all they're doing is saying that the working class must be destroyed.

[@tkoch7503]

7:08 "The interstate highway system got built so as to make it easy for whites to be in the suburbs" That seems like a completely absurd postulate to me. Depends on what you mean by the "interstate highway system." Is it the 435-635 loop around Kansas City or is it the 789 miles of four lane highway going from OKC to Minneapolis? Or is it the 2,322 miles of glorious 4 lane highway between Spokane and Buffalo? But what am I thinking. Clearly that road was built so white people could commute from Spokane to Buffalo (or OKC).

[@annsheridan12]

There are 1,500,000, black millionaires in America.

[@kareemabdulfumar7953]

Why did you click on the video?

[@annsheridan12]

@@kareemabdulfumar7953 because the more you know the further you go intellectually and financially.

[@annsheridan12]

@@kareemabdulfumar7953 incidentally the only 2 possibilities for equality are war and pestilence. In addition equality under socialism is equal to equality under capitalism..

[@fsilber330]

It is NOT black people's fault that so many developed a culture that helped them deal with harsh racism in the past, but which is far sub-optimal for living in today's fairer society. It IS black people's fault to the extent they could modify that culture to make it more adaptive to current circumstances, but neglect to do so.

[@michaelhiggins2562]

I would be perfectly fine with Harvard becoming a Blacks only school. Everyone gets a trophy and an "A." Harvard will be happy, and they can get rid of that army of expensive "diversity compliance officers/equity overseers/ systemic auditors/etc./etc./etc.

[@nowaiting2072]

Why can't we start with the schools? The government has taken responsibility for education of the nation's kids- and they're failing. The government needs to send task-masters into schools that turn-out kids that can't read, write, and do arithmetic. If the schools are violent, have National Guardsmen go in and protect the teachers and kids so that the students can get an education without worry. Give the process 15 years and see what happens. Letting these kids continue to fail because no one wants to offend the teachers' unions is inexcusable.

[@margaretthomas8899]

In Australia we have had for too long incrimination against our Aboriginal sports and other in public positions. of recent concerning an incident with a South Australian Football club. As I posted, and expressed to an Aboriginal effected by it all, and ongoing. First we have to get the perportraters to come forward and declare, the disdain you have for somebody else. Is it just because you have some deep personal reason within your self as to why you despise that person, or is it just you have a general bias against a particular race, color, whatever. When that is seperated. Even if it is a combination of both, we won't get anywhere. Or to the core of things!

[@crystal7245]

I think legislation creates more problems than it solves. The more dependent we are on government the less we do for ourselves. Education should start early and in the home. If you are not exposed to letters, numbers, ideas, etc. early, you will no doubt be left behind. You can not make that gap up later. It is harder and will always be there. The gap between groups is real. The real reason it’s there is the conversation very few are having. Blaming other causes to make people feel better, won’t solve any problems.

[@annsheridan12]

There is systemic racism in the USA, it’s called racial preferences for blacks in college admissions and government jobs euphemistically called affirmative action but in reality the definition of racism in philosophy and action.

[@mrader]

How do you answer the question of Asians becoming the top earning race in America, longest life span, best quality of life etc and still say there is systemic racism in America?

[@martin6548]

Lets say you are right and there is no important racism. What do you think should be done to improve problems of black people?

[@bebopj]

John has some suggestions here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6OVaqiGfc6Wm9k

[@kevinmote2369]

How do we most effectively "re-incentivise" the nuclear family?

[@DisabusingTheLeft]

Take the time to re-instill the importance of taking full advantage of the free education available as the means to achieving success, independence and financial stability and a committment to living godly lives. Neither of those things require lots of money to pursue. It only takes instilling a mind change. Easier said than done. But these goals are completely achievable starting TODAY!!!!!

[@williammorrison6311]

Better education at home. Asian families tend to be fully centered on the education of their children. While Asian kids do their physics or calculus homework, what are other kids doing? Having fun, playing video games, watching TV, shooting jump shots or refining their raps. Skin color has nothing to do with it.

[@DisabusingTheLeft]

@@williammorrison6311 RIGHT!!!!! Direct the dedication and hard work put into sports into getting educated. It is simply a matter of refocusing what is truly important and what is MOST likely to lead to success. It takes a complete mind change, and it could take decades for that shift to happen.

[@jamesroutledge9639]

Education starts with a Loving Mum and Dad (parents). If that structure is affected then the outcomes can lead to poorly educated people. Poorly educated people are more likely to make the wrong decisions. When an issue is more common to a group then the root cause needs to be understood not tackle the symptom ie do not judge a book by its cover. A sign of equality does not mean there are no barriers/ challenges but that the barriers / challenges can be overcome by the dedication of application. Of course in a free society it’s very freedoms can also be challenged, aka CRT, gender, sexuality, history, minority groups have more rights than the majority rather than the same. What is outcome we want? Is it confirmed by the majority or is it confirmed by the minority?

[@glennmitchell9107]

It's not that systemic racism doesn't exist. The question is, is it significant enough to concern me? It isn't. It's kind of like climate change and COVID. None of that bothers me. What does concern me are gas prices and that bunch of protesters that block I-5 South every week. Maybe I shouldn't have voted for Biden.

[@HeavyK.]

Put any kids in a charter school and 99.9% will come out so far ahead of the pack the nation should be embarrassed. Certainly the people that lead our government school systems and the union leaders should swim on shame. Who the hell is watching out for the interests of our children?!

[@AnthonyAcriaradiocomix]

Sorry, but I'm still waiting for the Sacco and Vanzetti monument. All I know is no one was saying there were no such things as Romans when my buddy Bill was Praetor...I mean how could you...?

[@willharriman1881]

The term "systemic racism" is often too nebulous! Specific historic situations like American slavery and Jim Crow segregation fit the term. But there are many scenarios that can lead to racial disparities! Multigenerational employment race discrimination, bad schools, bad culture can all result in racial disparities! But they don't just come from no where!

[@martin6548]

Vaclav Havel would be proud

[@Joe-sn6ir]

you want to talk about racial inequities? let's talk about how blacks have a lot more benefits and opportunities vs whites or asians. yeah. talk about THAT.

[@kareemabdulfumar7953]

There’s no way you know more than the guys talking

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

I want us to get off the word ‘racism’. Racism is a belief in superiority or inferiority about another race. Tell me, who thinks that is really the problem? I certainly don’t. The problem is racial discrimination… due to stereotypes… that are based in truth… that is written too large. This is not racism. It’s group stereotype-based discrimination grounded in observed general cultural difference.

[@Brucdsc]

"To try to tell the story of American social structure would have me in the business of pointing to race, racism, racist exclusion, racist ideology..." Pretty much says it all. So systemic racism is very real. Did you try to take both sides of the question? Perhaps - but you came out on the side of acknowledging that there is systemic racism. McWhorter then raises a straw man that delves into his feeling and linguistic nuance that makes no sense outside of his obsessive parsing of, again, his feelings. He takes so long to explain his discomfort, it was hard to care much by the end of all the blah, blahs. And by the way, "The past is never dead - it's not even past." - William Faulkner

[@mdarrenu]

If Jim Crow and legal segregation is a 10 on the systemic racism scale, then what is today?

[@mdarrenu]

More like systemic classism.

[@robertl.crawford4369]

Have your lower lip poked out! 😂

[@LHK2]

First comment @ zero views !

[@hcpalmer]

These two men who are apparently highly educated are twisting themselves into knots to avoid the obvious (and talking bout of both sides of their mouths), that the systems that we use to organize and govern ourselves have racism embedded in them by institutional design and cultural memory.