T-72AV TURMS - This Premium Has 40% Win Rate

The Turms is the classic high tier premium experience, a good tank with terrible teammates. I tried to put some tricks for you guys to try playing it.
Quite a capable tank if played right.
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[@Neurofrost]

Additional issue for top tier is players buying a single premium tank, dying and then just leaving the game instantly..

[@ideadlift20kg83]

And with the new bigger ammo racks (model size) with the next big patch plus being able to disable auto loader, removing the reload from these tanks it's gonna get even worse lol.

[@whyismynametaken123]

Not just leaving after 1 or 2 deaths, but them having no experience and just dying every match without really doing anything usefull for the team. They're there, but they're not really doing anything helpful.

[@harryshuman9637]

Wonderful game design by Gaijin, isn't it?

[@jacobb-c7946]

i never thought to use ESS like that, always thought it would be useless. such a simple idea but works so well.

[@2fat4airborne44]

under blind people, having one eye makes you a king.

[@raizencore]

Wonder why it has a 40% winrate... Clueless

[@nakolulu411]

Becus its a bundle vehicle,a lot of new player will buy it

[@Oxhamns]

@@nakolulu411pretty sure the comment was sarcastic

[@ZSlayer_05]

its great how much i can actually learn from your videos

[@smithsonian_98]

Decent tank but most of them in hand of inexperienced players

[@jackmorris2758]

Bro found you thanks to Baws' awesome content. Great advice too! Chur!

[@warmamdalorian]

gracias estaba esperando este video Jon mila esker

[@hitorihuntsman2679]

Hey Jon love your content. I am one of those noobs who bought into top tier. I have a decent lineup now wich is why i got a top tier premium. I like how u have set up your playlist into countries, but would it be possible to set up a play list for top tier gameplay as well? Would make it much easier to find the gameplay so i can accelerate my learning. Keep up the great content.

[@BPA_JonWT]

I did a video on the 2A7 not too long ago, check the playlist for germany ;)

[@hitorihuntsman2679]

@@BPA_JonWT thank you.

[@katehox]

I love how you lean irl when looking around a corner ingame xD

[@JaydenJelly]

I couldn't agree with you more about the horrid gun handling on T-72s... I remember OddBawz complaining about the M551 76 having slow elevation speed but the T-72s are literally way worse. I've died countless times (both TURMS and other variants) because the gun wasn't at the exact right elevation before going around a corner or something and having to wait half a second for the gun to go back up/down got me killed (going over even small bumps/ditches in the terrain is also a problem.) Also I never really thought of using the ESS that way, but it seems like it's a really good strategy! I might try using it soon, so thank you for making me aware of it.

[@Optimusprime56241]

You have to train yourself to pre aim correctly before going around corners, this goes for any tank

[@JaydenJelly]

@@Optimusprime56241 that's the thing, every other tank I play this is not a problem, but when I'm using T-72 and some of the other Soviet things even being off by half a degree is enough to screw you over

[@boegscom]

Jon, great videos. New sub from Oddz channel. Any thoughts on tournament tutorials? Like, how to even get started in tournaments.

[@BPA_JonWT]

I tought about making a video about tournaments, this one might take some time tho (probably after summer)

[@Rosaslav]

@@BPA_JonWTMaybe some commented replays of tournament matches?

[@BPA_JonWT]

@@Rosaslav I will do some content with my old team in the future so you guys a good idea of how tournament teams work together.

[@Rosaslav]

The bad reverse and gun handling, make it a situational vehicle. Those diasdvantages make it hard to correct your mistakes. If you find yourself in bad position, you cannot reverse out and if you need to eliminate somebody quickly, you cannot aim at him quickly. It is similar to German vehicles, good firepower and armor, but unwieldy, so it is easy to catch them out and they cannot react quickly enough. It is apparent that design of all these vehicles is for fight at big distances in open areas. Not good for urban areas or uneven terrain and in War Thunder many cap points are in such areas, which people often gravitate towards.

[@DatFatThor]

German vehicles unwieldy? Last I checked they were some of the best tier for tier in the game lmao

[@Rosaslav]

@@DatFatThor Mb, I was talking about Tigers and Panthers, not Leopards.

[@Optimusprime56241]

Nah

[@DerDrecksack87]

​​​@@Rosaslav yeah but those are WW2 tanks, aint nobody at 10.0 cares about those. Germany has some of the best high BR tanks starting from the Leopard 1, they take a dip with the Leo 2A4 at 10.7 because of constant uptiers and having only DM23 but after the A6 it dominates top tier, but all Leos have good mobility in common. Russia is better armored early on with the T72B & T72B 1989 at 10.0 with fewer uptiers but you will suffer instantly when facing DM33 & DM43 that can lolpen you through most places including the front plate, nevermind the mobility that never gets better even at 11.7 except with the T80s but those dont get the 3BM60 only the BVM and even if they get it the 3BM60 is nowhere near the best top rounds. All in all, in my experience the US & germany suffer between 9.0 and 10.7/11.0 but are very good prior & after that, russia is good until 10.0 and suffer after that, but if you grind trough their tec tree it makes every other nation except the british, italy & somewhat the french(who suffer troughout most BRs a lot), seem easy. Regarding the design, it should be also noted that modern MBTs are not singulary focused on fighting & protecting from other tanks, many of their other strenghts against infantry, mines & infantry AT weapons is not being relevant for the gameplay, wich means a pretty poor performing tank in WT still could be a good & versatile tank irl of course.

[@Consumpter]

Found you through odd, your skill and experience makes for good content. Can you play the prototype panther? Its the best panther imo since its significantly faster and the armor is still good, went 17-1 in a 6.7 match with it

[@BPA_JonWT]

thank you, I will play the panther 2 eventually. There is other stuff I have ready first tho ;)

[@Consumpter]

@@BPA_JonWT i meant the vk 3002 but either would be fun to watch, have fun

[@JDMeister]

Please do some gameplay with the T72B3! Love your videos.

[@astafzciba]

yeah b3 is an underdog

[@molstad182]

@@astafzciba its rightfully overshadowed by the t90m and t80bvm

[@astafzciba]

@@molstad182 true. I preferred it over the t-80U but now i mainly go for the bvm followed by bmp-2m and finally the b3 still don't have the t-90m

[@briartousley9806]

Is that thing any good? Im like 100k rp from getting it

[@astafzciba]

@@briartousley9806 not as good as bvm but has nice thermals and gun handling

[@zwang7050]

Jon you are the third [Olyst] member I follow on YT, Wogby & _fofo are fantastic so seems are you!

[@BPA_JonWT]

both are gamers! Really cool guys too

[@cactuspg3d954]

Could you do a 10.3 us lineup vid?

[@Green_Gamer23]

nice vid man

[@TermIANator]

Ngl jon, after watching your vids. I have been grinding 9.3 germany. just got the 2a4 today infact. at 9.3 you see a lot of 10.0 russia. and... at least with the TAM and the Leo 1a5 I have been eating turms and 2s38s for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. :)

[@aestheticera420]

I bought a ngl all premiums except the bmp for Russia, because I didn’t want to be a one leave wonder, I feel the frustration everyone talks about now that I play true high tier, I’m a GB main and it’s tough especially getting grouped with US. so I do it for all my fellow war thunder players. Also I understand leaving after one death too, maybe they don’t want to use their respawns that come with it (20) and if u get clapped in the beginning no one wants to use it. Idk I understand both views. Just wish maybe gajin would do like premium lobbies only or something of that sort.

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

winrate doesnt matter, low winrate doesnt make it ok for a vehicle to be under-br'd and OP. Winrates just show a POSSIBLE issue (not all issues are actually a game issue or need to be "fixed" and Gaijin doesnt understand that.)

[@Optimusprime56241]

If win rate mattered the ariete would be the best tank in the game lol

[@farmcat9873]

its not the tank its the players best answer. We all know that new players think oh if I buy the highest tier tank then I win...... WRONG other way around you lose and make the team you on a bigger chance of loss. WTF a Fox???? WRONG BR Mr Fox

[@okakokakiev787]

Yes what about leo2 123 type 90 fuji? Good players?

[@Optimusprime56241]

@@okakokakiev787 panzer battalion has very bad win rate and type 90 belongs to a smaller nation therefore the players are better

[@Dripzwt]

joooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn lets goooooo

[@cicADA001]

40% is funny because to me this mbt is really good at 10.0

[@dilldoe1991]

it doesnt belong at 10.0 i honestly think they just put it there to make a full lineup with other premiums to make more money (its literally a 9.3 t72a with thermals and a better round btw thats all)

[@ricardohumildebrabo]

@@dilldoe1991 It's a MUCH better round my man. Mango is long rod and does much more damage than 3BM22. Also thermals are great for spotting, increases the awareness by a lot. Don't undersell it. The only reason it's bad is because is being played by people that should be learning the basics yet.

[@dilldoe1991]

@@ricardohumildebrabo brother regardless of how much better the round is its the same hull its just a bad hull for 10.0 plain and simple also 3bm42 isnt THAT much better than 22 calm down

[@dilldoe1991]

@@ricardohumildebrabo also im not underselling it it genuinely is just a lackluster tank at the 10.0/10.3 area especially when compared to nato tanks around the br like the abrams and 2a4

[@nothisismine]

@@ricardohumildebraboI agree, my k/d and winrate with it is better than my leo pzbtl 123. Although I do understand why many struggle to do good in it as it is a lot less forgiving when it comes to over exposure to enemy fire due to the terrible reverse gear.

[@ITzzMike96]

Could you play the T26E5 sometime 🙏🏼

[@user-tm9jd6pj6x]

i atmit im that guy that bought this to see what top tier was like and got stomped haha

[@MackieLevyn]

how do you go sub 50% in a russian vehicle?

[@MeatStickUSA]

You should do a collab with _Fofo

[@flashmann7859]

You know you don't have to keep the enemy in the firewindow of your heli, you just have to shoot there in gunner mode (looking at the horizon instead of your target) and then start guiding the missile down to your target. That way you dont end up in the middle of the batlefield after 2 minutes of "aiming" aka, flying forwards.

[@yesmangaming9284]

one of the best purchases ive made

[@robbiefreeman5649]

I didn't buy the Turms as a new player but my winrate is 50%... I feel like anyone that fights a T-series knows how to fight them/what the weaknesses are.

[@BPA_JonWT]

you are already doing far better than the average player then, keep it up!

[@robbiefreeman5649]

@@BPA_JonWT Thanks dad I need the support, this game is hard and frustrating sometimes! :D

[@mathewweeks9069]

Your awesome

[@jayklink851]

👍👍

[@avantyofi_eri]

i have leo2 pzb 123 and i have 35% win rate

[@mozzaplaysgames7897]

Spend $50AUD on the pack to get this tank, I do regret it a little bit. I thought after 500 hours and 9.0 German tree I'd be ready to buy a premium and smash out another tree for some fun... Yeah I dont think this tank was a great idea. No depression, No armour, No reverse gear, The round seems to be average at best at this BR (Seems the opposite for others, My 360 ping seems to make it hard to be pin point accurate and actually pen) the gun handling is so poor it adds even more to my already poor ping issues, The chassis is so wide side scraping doesnt help you to fight, It feels like every tank that shoots at you is able to overpen you Definitely not my smartest purchase... But hey I finally got a premium?😅

[@Krahamus]

Lots of people think that premium tanks are much better compared to non premium tanks which is not true, if you dont have map knowledge, routes where most people camp, enemy tank weak points, you will get destroyed easily no matter what tank you have, all tanks have good things and bad, turms t is low profile tank with 75 visibility, use it as advantage to bog somewhere and pick targets off, its turret is almost non penetrable, you have good dart with high speed will you pen someone is depending on angle of enemy, you have good zoom and thermals, i would suggest use this tank as sniper to pick people off, for example my one of most fave tanks are leopard 1a5 it has flaws also, 1 shot can pen you almost everywhere, have good speed, turret rotation, depression, but because 95% visibility i can be seen easier, so i use as sniper picking targets off distance, so yah your purchase is not bad believe me, because my other favourite tank is t72m1, basically same as turms but without thermals, good zoom, I would suggest for you to read guides how to play t72 variants on reddit to have clue what play style this tank fulfill, most modern tank gameplay consist of being like predator, waiting for tanks to come and than strike and reposition afterwards.

[@kissdani1911]

i have 54 % wr with this beast :D

[@biohazardindustrieswr697]

Viewer request: Play the Italian Centauro 120 pleasee!

[@BPA_JonWT]

I did a video about the RGO not so long ago, maybe you want to check that out ;)

[@biohazardindustrieswr697]

@@BPA_JonWT Oh splendid. Thanks!

[@M3TA_M3TA]

How does one become as good as you?

[@BPA_JonWT]

a lot of hours of gaming, also tournaments gave me a lot of map awareness too

[@M3TA_M3TA]

I have over 2500 hours and still have like 1.7 / 1.8 kd

[@pandablackster]

That in my opinion is the worst premium you can get, it's just a 9.3 tank with a decent round and thermals

[@nothisismine]

Well those are the main selling points of the turms. However you mustn’t forget how important a good round really is, especially seeing as the mango does have the tendency to do a ton of spalling. The armor might not be the best but it does do it’s job well considering that the other mbt’s woth darts and thermals as dangerous as this one are all 10.3 and higher. The only real drawback of theis tank when it comes to newer players would be the terrible reverse speed as that makes the tank very unforgiving of your map knowledge and awareness

[@pandablackster]

@@nothisismine you're forgetting a thing, the zero armor best armor could work with a fast and mobile tank, but with the turms that have no mobility you are just a free kill if you face a decent player and you are forced to rely on you armour that is almost non existent, add to all this the 7.1 seconds

[@nothisismine]

@@pandablackster the armor isn’t non existent. It’s just not the best. At 10.0 it’s perfect but at 10.3 it isn’t. Besides, if you get into a situation like that it more often than not comes down to skill. If you really think the turms is so bad, I have to ask you? Have you played higher tier T72, or did you skip them for the t90?

[@nothisismine]

@@pandablackster also the worst premium I think anyone could buy at this point of the game’s life cycle would probably be the xm1. Poopy round, poopy matchmaker and poopy armor. You seem to really hate the turms for some reason, what nation did you get top tier with first?

[@pandablackster]

@@nothisismine The first was Russia, then Sweden and now Japan :)

[@GeneralLudwigSteiner]

But remember, the tank is broken and OP !

[@Optimusprime56241]

It is, what’s your point?

[@GeneralLudwigSteiner]

@@Optimusprime56241 lmao. It aint. Since night battles are not mandatory anymore it's just a fucking gimmick

[@Bartek92727]

Hi. I have few words about this tank and this video. I bought this tank 2 years Ago so i have some expiriance. First of all this is only one ruzzian top MBT that You can penetrate by front armor. That means you probably wont survive any shot when you are 1on1 againts any tank on your BR. Even You killed only one Tank on higher Br (leo2a4) and you had over 20kills in those games. I could say more about only 3 crew members and slow reverse gear. This is the worst top premium vehicle in the Game and You didn’t change my mind. Much respect for your performance in this shitytank 🫡