T-Bar Rows Are Optimal!

[@yuvalomrad7090]

I like it when Alex speak 10 minutes about one excersice

[@AlexLeonidas]

You already know it's an instant classic! In depth explanations are a lot better than brief shorts.

[@Hebra1]

Like sticky ricky in jeff's tierlists

[@avi_s0ncin0]

Bro the exercise explainer fr

[@fran9023]

best type of videos

[@vexingbrat8605]

​@@JohnDoe-z4j there is a intercontinental ballistic missile flying towards your location right now

[@GVS]

RONNIE KNEW!

[@AlexLeonidas]

YEAH BUDDY!!!! Your recent video on Ronnie was a masterclass kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJXSo3h5rbFrjNk Crazy that the science is now supporting so many "outdated" exercises and form techniques. "Optimal" has gone full circle, for real.

[@DROPIt7]

Wait until someone says: "But his back would be bigger if his form was cleaner!" XD

[@agentperry8347]

@@DROPIt7 I cringe when Mike from rp says that lol

[@joeryvandamme5732]

He was just picking up peanuts man. He was waaay before his time.

[@emanuelegaddi3545]

​@@DROPIt7don't be stupid. Ronnie had freak genetics and was on a butt ton of gear. He could grow just by walking around with dumbbells

[@GainsDepartment]

Alex Leonidas videos are optimal

[@AlexLeonidas]

I appreciate that my man! Doing my best to explain all the nuances, to help you fulfill your natural potential.

[@yashgupta-jk4xq]

a year or two ago i realized that tbar row was honestly one of the best free weight row variation. can load it heavy, it has a lengthened biased resistance profile, is really stable, allows for partials, stimulates the lower lats really well when you are parallel to the ground. all around fuckin awesome movement. Also looks badass

[@AlexLeonidas]

PERFECTLY SUMMED UP!!!

[@aqyx]

ive also never felt comfortable doing chest supported rows, finally someone who agrees

[@AlexLeonidas]

Crazy that it's a hot take, but I know we're not alone. And the pain is truly unbearable when overloading. I can't handle it.

[@aaronwylie6928]

It really depends on your body, the height of the pad, adjustability etc. Bad for some good for others

[@pricklypear6298]

Same here. My breathing gets constricted and my chest feels crushed.

[@szczypi0rek]

Same, I feel pain in my chest during that exercise

[@ce8539]

same man, the ONLY injury ive gotten IN the gym (plenty outside from life) was doing chest supported rows. i got a freakin slipped rib, i couldnt ever feel comfortable doing them but i forced myself to despite that. never again

[@leonardoandrade471]

the lengthened partial element is one of the reasons why I like rowing a strongman style sandbag

[@KneeSlice1775]

What’s the difference between a strongman sandbag vs sandbag?

[@leonardoandrade471]

@@KneeSlice1775 strongman sandbags have no handles, so you grab them from the underside in a very stretched/rounded upper back position. They are way heavier and rounder than typical handled sandbags. Look up TheStoneCircle youtube channel nd you'll see what its' all about. I used a 68.3 (150 lb) bag as my primary strength tool alongside calisthenics and a 24 kb kettlebell formore conditioning and disadvantaged variations of stuff like OHP; because of the cumbersome, inconveninet shape, strongman sandbags are a great example of getting more out of less weight

[@leonardoandrade471]

@@KneeSlice1775 I replied to you a couple times now and KZbin deleted all of those. Dunno why but I stay bothered. 5th time's the charm? Strongman sandbags are rounder shaped, have no handles, and go way heavier than typical handled sandbags. They require the lifter to get in an extreme deficit deadlift position to pick them up off the floor, and a rounded/stretched upper back to handle them due to the bulk. In my experience they beef up the whole posterior chain, especially the erectors and all the traps.

[@aaronmsteele]

Long live John Meadows and the Meadows row as well- another great form of this.

[@junkyard-p1s]

☝️I miss the "Hi everbody". R.i.P.

[@gibbsm]

it's good, but can't load it up as much.

[@AlexLeonidas]

His unilateral take was also more lengthened biased than traditional dumbbell rows!

[@alexeymatveev3450]

@@AlexLeonidas Well both Meadows and One Arm Barbell row (which John also popularized) are the most lengthened biased back exercises, even more that T-bar as unilateraly you can go deeper. Great exercises and super easy to set.

[@sean6459]

@@alexeymatveev3450what do you super set them with. DB/ Meadows rows are exercises I struggle to super set. I’m gassed asf after doing them, especially if adding rest pauses

[@BasementBodybuilding]

Best row in existence!

[@AlexLeonidas]

One of the best free weighted rows we can all do without spending 5 grand!!!

[@F2a0bi0an5o]

I like the bent over row more

[@marken816]

Seal row is king.

[@agrlklarkemirenpanda660]

Barbell row is my favorite. I never did t-bar rows, maybe in the future.

[@michaellupu2080]

Your video evaluating Jeff Nippard back tier list, and your insight regarding the T-bar in that video made a huge impact on me! I've started doing one arm Landmine rows (which were one John Meadow's favorites) but am now either using a short curl bar or grabbing the central knurl of an oly bar and row it from there, as that amplifies the pendulum resistance profile. Those feel amazing! 🤜🤛

[@krokajan1]

Don't even need science, you just feel massive tension on all landmine row variations, much better than regular.

[@AlexLeonidas]

It's like we intuitively felt t-bar rows were different from regular barbell rows! Just because it's free weighted, doesn't mean the strength curve isn't modified.

[@krokajan1]

Also please consider doing a video on one arm t bar/barbell rows similarly like John Meadows did, or at least say something about them in some video.​@@AlexLeonidas

[@mrmarquardsen3047]

​@@krokajan1 u can see Alex do videos on the Meadows row back in the wife beater tank top days

[@mikakoivisto6504]

Isn't it crazy how old school bodybuilders used free weights and to this day the same exersices are still at the top. Pull ups and free weight Rows will ALWAYS be the best!

[@Not-Lunar]

I really enjoy the new style of videos, very professional.

[@AlexLeonidas]

Thank you! They take a lot longer to make, but I know they'll stand the test of time and be more helpful.

[@maxwrubel3095]

💯 KZbin has plenty of content on *how* to do exercises, but so few actually delve into the *why* that a self-coaching trainee needs to understand in order to implement the exercises effectively. Well done, Alex!

[@proswagerdude8215]

This man ALWAYS speaks from experience and intuitively feels what's optimal. Thank you Alex for keeping it real.

[@josephphillips3579]

"Even if you butcher the form your back will still get massive" Fact check: CORRECT I love this guy ....my gains have been far greater since I found this channel ... Keep the videos coming Alex!

[@StevenMalott27]

Most educational fitness influencer imo.

[@delawn4532]

Thanks for everything you do Alex! I proudly just bought the Alex Leonidas Bells of Steel bar and am doing your Naturally Enhanced program!!

[@AlexLeonidas]

Thank you so much for your support!!!

[@Amistrulez]

Started doing tbar rows wide grip to chest, then rest pause to supinated narrow grip to stomach. The gains and progression have been immaculate.

[@tarunpratap017]

Its time for me to convince my gym trainer to bring back this machine.

[@AlexLeonidas]

It's not expensive either and takes up a small footprint!

[@DawgHase]

​@@AlexLeonidasWe only have one with a chest pat so you can't really cheat it, it's still great

[@EminCan-br5lr]

Would love to see some kind of tier list of exercises for each muscle group like Natural Hypertorphy

[@AlexLeonidas]

Definitely overdue for many tier lists

[@Hebra1]

@@AlexLeonidas Dick Del Hagen needs more videos to react to

[@DoNot-Ban-Pudge]

Still looking for tier list of the tier lists

[@Bambabah]

@@AlexLeonidas Oh can't wait!

[@Hebra1]

@@DoNot-Ban-Pudge gvs newest video

[@chamoy2864]

Alex can you please make your gymnastics rings workout plan that you promised. As someone who only has access to rings and a barbell, I really want to see your program(from intermediate-advanced). Thanks!

[@seziaeeda8865]

we need it ong

[@calebvanderpool4246]

Yes please

[@jonesy3002]

Ninja turtle meat shield 😂

[@kane6529]

Ant eater meat shield 😶‍🌫️

[@FitOneswithVarun]

This is the masterpiece guide type content we talked about!

[@AlexLeonidas]

You know it Varun! It's like what I was referring to when talking about Alan Thrall. Making guides that last.

[@WeWuzMatt]

@@AlexLeonidas Varun with the broom knew about Hersovyac and cleaned up his mess.

[@lightningarrow4486]

@@WeWuzMatt Broom and Hersovyac? What are you referring to here?

[@WeWuzMatt]

@@lightningarrow4486 hersovyac was proven to be a Neo not sea and conspiracy theorist weirdo into skull measurement race science and all kinds of insane stuff. It was brought to the noble natties’ attention and they’ve collectively swept it under the rug. Varun was infamous for blocking and removing comments around the subject and would go on to interview hersovyac post-revelations.

[@WeWuzMatt]

@@lightningarrow4486 hersovyac was proven to be a Neo not sea and conspiracy theorist into skull measurement race science and all kinds of stuff. It was brought to the noble natties’ attention and they’ve collectively swept it under the rug. Varun was infamous for blocking and removing comments around the subject and would go on to interview hersovyac post-revelations.

[@babycheesus666]

dude, you're like a bodybuilding savant preacher. Your physique is looking insane, man. Respect

[@aaronwylie6928]

Chest supported T-bar row has been, for me, the hands down greatest upper-back focused row exercise. It's buttery smooth, full emphasis on the back. Amazing for rear delts too

[@catstar23]

Yeah we at the buffet rn

[@AlexLeonidas]

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

[@GeneticSteve]

Master T is that you?

[@Hebra1]

​@@GeneticSteve Genetic Steve isn't a lifting slave geeeeeyyt it? that's how you build muscle

[@ranfan1820]

​​@@Hebra1Not gonna build that saaaarcoplazmic fake muscle.

[@insanoibro6331]

Dang good times boyos

[@croissantrophy.channel]

The one arm variation is brutal

[@productofmymind4860]

Yeah crazy stretch and feels very grind-able

[@rearlatspread39]

Nothing better than doing heavy t bar rows with heavy metal in the background

[@manimal9871]

That’s the truth and you got damn nice lats respect!

[@ayda2876]

fr

[@Lucas-sc6lr]

T-bar row always felt better than other variations, even seated machine ones.

[@AlexLeonidas]

I 100% agree. Most seated machine rows aren't even lengthened biased.

[@karimeltawansy]

Hey Alex, we have some Prime Fitness d handles at our gym for the landmine. You were spot on about them forcing the landmine into a more vertical position because of the extra length. I thought the extra ROM made the handles a great attachment, but what I'm hearing from you now is that you've changed your stance on this. In the last T-bar video you made, you recommended the extra rom for it's increased time under tension in the negative. It's been some time since I've done them with a V-bar. Unfortunately, our V-bar doesn't attach well, but I'll consider giving it another shot with the 45lb plates.

[@dyl923gonz7]

ok, at this point of time...the question would be...was there anything old school lifters/bros did truly get wrong????

[@AlexLeonidas]

Seems like they're right most of the time!!!!!

[@fotis3v480]

Saying you need 500 sets per body part per week and saying they were natural before competing whilst being humongous already. I'm pro steroids don't cry about it hurr durr steroids to me that wasn't my point.

[@leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002]

Not to mention you have to get stronger in a lengthen position, to be able to move the bar faster in a traditional bent row to be able to progress the movement in that shortened position. Because the strength potential of that range is just so much smaller relative to the lengthened, and mid range. So this movement should be big in the strength world too.

[@Louis_Bieringer]

"✨Amputees can still retract✨" - Alexander Leonidas

[@Super.swoldier]

Alex, a little off topic but I wanted to ask would you do a video about Nordic Curls or specialize with it for a bit and show us your progress. I know they are hard AF, but if anyone can show legit strength gains on them, it’s you! 💪

[@KurokamiNajimi]

Great video never thought about how to make a row more lengthened I thought the inverted row for example was the closest you could get but I think the back is one muscle that benefits from balanced lengthened and mid to shortened emphasis. The time proven effectiveness of basic rows is a testament. I think in general lengthened just seems innately superior because we’re underdeveloped in it in a lot of ways

[@PotatoSlices]

I've rediscovered this exercise 2 months ago and have fallen in love with it since, so it's funny seeing Alex talk about it too

[@jordanandrei2307]

Hey Alex, would love to see some of your plans on Boostcamp!

[@straight_man]

Landmine attachment? Nah bro, we be jamming barbells into the corner for optimal gains.

[@thetowndrunk988]

Wise words. Thing I love about em, is it’s the one lift you can safely cheat the weight up when you get tired, and move insane heavy weight, with a good controlled negative and insane stretch.

[@Dankdalorde]

Love these in-depth videos on exercises I haven’t done in forever. Especially the Pullover - has done wonders! And the tips for a more upright incline press

[@mr.cezaro3986]

Does the meadows row have the same circular strength curve of regular tbars? Awesome video as always

[@DCJayhawk57]

I love t-bar rows. Been doing chest supported the last few months, the landmine attachment at my gym was getting kind of janky once I got to 4 plates and I was afraid the bar would slip out, so chest supported has been my main rowing variation recently. I've also been doing heavy cheat shrugs like you were talking about back in 2017. I've put some size on my traps despite being in a caloric deficit. Once I'm fully leaned out, looking forward to a massing phase to see how succulent I can make my traps. Back training is pretty straightforward for me. I do narrow neutral and wide pullups, narrow semi-neutral and wide chest supported rows, heavy cheat shrugs, and pullovers right now split into 2 workouts.

[@peterers3]

Seeing the whole back and lats contract hard is the best showcase for the T Bar row.

[@khawks92]

I just moved up to 7 plates with a 25 for triples with the v handle. It's a staple.

[@stevekissel3822]

I remember seeing a video by Doug Brignole before he passed away saying that the T bar row was the worst back exercise of them all...I knew then he was wrong and replied with a simple 6 word response....."Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Dorian Yates".....Best, Steve USA

[@AlexLeonidas]

He believed it was mostly rear deltoid with excessive erector spinae. There was obviously a lot more to the exercise, outside of the "all muscles pull towards their origins" idea.

[@CoachAdamNeth]

You can also use reverse drop sets on regular row movements to milk out more from the lengthened range of motion.

[@buzzardscry1383]

Hell yes. I been doing land mine workouts for a two months, all I have is a tennis ball and rope and I'm gonna the shit outta this. Subscribed !

[@Pumpychan]

👍 really enjoying your spirited deep dives into the fine points …

[@tonysims9892]

Informative and corrective! This was a great video on the T-bar Row - thanks!

[@videoguy640]

With weighted stretch being so effective, could you get bigger by just ignoring reps altogether and holding the stretch as long as possible?

[@AlexLeonidas]

That's what I did with rack pulls above the knee years ago! Blew up my traps like nothing else. To this day.

[@alexbeyond99]

Please make a tier list video for each bodypart like Jeff Nippard! Love your content!💪

[@nh1776]

Nice new background, though I like the look of the power rack behind you as well

[@deeyell]

Hey Alex, I love how you program the free-weight exercises most would consider “unoptimal” in an optimal way according to research from Chris Beardsley & Paul Carter to achieve good gains, but I have a question: If one intentionally chooses to use exercises such as the barbell squat, where one may fail due to form without applying as much tension to their quads as they could with a machine, should they add volume to their squats to compensate for achieving less stimulating reps for the quads?

[@fwoggangidk]

Hello Alex! I have a question on conjugate system. You made a video about modifications, and in it you said we can skip it/replace it with a classic volume day. Can you and should you go to failure and that day? By classic volume day I assume you mean body building, so can we go to failure with calisthenics for example?

[@Lajos07]

I always get excited when you post my man

[@poklx1515]

Being a relatively new lifter, I found myself falling into the trap of the "optimal" exercise and optimal form for a few months now which made hit a plateau in terms of strengh especially on the upper back side. I'm not saying cheating is good on everything but i think i have been a culprit of not pushing myself as much as when I started on exercises that matter (such as pullups where I always saw progression since the beginning) Time to get back on track with this Old school Landmine row ! With this and the good morning video, time to make these lazy erectors work for once. Thank you Alex for the content and the inspiration.

[@SKINNY_BRUH]

Many used to think that Ronnie Coleman did t-bar rows the wrong way,which is now considered optimal by science....🗿👑💪

[@luisdelgado7764]

Watching Arnold train will never get old.

[@sylenx02]

Yo Alex man - you have an awesome physique! Just wondering, would you ever dive into the Bear Mode Realm again and bench 440? Would love to know your thoughts!

[@aitorramos4384]

Best pre workout, Alex dropped.

[@AlexLeonidas]

Yeahhhhhhhhh time to horse some heavy weights on the t-bar before your big supper

[@dertrendtrader]

TBar row for an over all back and Chest-supported TBar row (also heaviest at stretch) for upper back is in combo all you need for a well developed back.

[@jamieroberts234]

Interesting. Ive been doing slow controlled, full range squeeze with v bar. 10-15reps only 40kg. 10kg plates. Might start slapping some weight on it. Thank you. Great video

[@nelsonortas4796]

I Agree, at 6/2 60yrs young 216lbs... have a thick and wide back due to close grip T-Bar of 225lbs, full stretch strict form pulldowns and rows, Overhead presses 185lbs and squats 315lbs+. I look and feel strong. Not bulky but rather fit athletic build.

[@danielsamaan7780]

Flexion barbell rows + chest supported tbar rows with a bit of umf & failure + long lenth partials grew my back a ton.

[@rajatchopra1411]

Hey alex, do you supplement any nutrients in your diet, like D3, iron etc.? Vegan sources?

[@mk-hj3eu]

I used to feel bad about completely replacing classic bent over rows for t bar rows but they feel way more natural for me. My back gains are also way more significant now

[@isaacabramov8434]

Hey, Alex. Are you coming up with a bodyweight exclusive program any day? I’d get it in two seconds

[@colonalklink14]

I have my T-bar attached at almost 1 foot above the ground, thereby reducing the effect of weight reduction at the top of the pull.

[@tyleraugustine2436]

That lengthened bias is why i love a strict bent over barbell row. I end up doing full range of motion then burning out the last 3 or 4 reps at that partial bottom end. Maybe ill try swapping out t bar rows on my second back day.

[@adamlimbach6756]

Yea, this is a great movement. I also like using a landmine attachment and doing rows standing parallel to the bar…sort of like a dumbbell row.

[@ZylanTheMonster]

Had no idea how badly I needed this vid 🙏

[@TriggerStand]

I struggled to find any rows that felt good and I could actually progress on. Today I tried out the T-Bar Row and it's the best row I've ever done. Finally something that gives me that stretch I'm after. Used a v bar attachment and big plates. Now I just need to find a wide row or something. Alex, do you recommend I do the exact same thing but with a wide attachment for my second rowing exercise?

[@Hebra1]

Hi Alex, how much of the OG ver. Naturally Enhanced/''AlphaDestiny''/old beliefs do you currently agree with (and what do you disagree with)?

[@Makhupeesvin]

Would love to see a video om this topic

[@SandorJazz]

Obviously I'm not Alex, but just wanted to comment because this was something I also used to wonder about . My impression from comments I've seen from him on instagram and youtube is that he still believes in naturally enhanced, but would focus less on overloading all the time to improve recovery. He also said in a couple of interviews on youtube that part of the reason he stopped doing full body was just to make recording workouts easier. It also seems like he just got tired of having to defend it all the time so he doesn't promote it much. I think if he didn't believe in it anymore, he would've stopped selling it on his site by now.

[@Hebra1]

@@SandorJazz that's true

[@garyroyal1730]

Now that you mentioned that about the 45s vs the 25s, the only bodybuilder I see with a great back that uses 25s is shaun clarida. He’s also like 5’2 and under 200 pounds.

[@huyngo7827]

it's okay, I do it for some months and then stop doing it entirely and then come back to it. Feels badass doing it.

[@denoffitness3379]

Amazing knowledge depth Alex. Love from India

[@dertrendtrader]

What I like most is how science can only explain decades later why old school exercises are so effective. Anyone who in 2024 still only believes what science says instead of listening to the coaches who have trained thousands of athletes across the continent for decades deserves a slap on the head.

[@darkknight716]

Alex always talks to us like he can't believe we didn't know this!

[@Mario_scarlato]

Hey Alex! I have a really flat ribcage and that implicates me not feeling the chest at all during any kind of bench presses even when I retract back my shoulders. I also feel much more tension on the front delts than the pecs. I already started doing breathing pullovers to open up the ribcage. Is there anything else I can do?

[@GillRapz]

Hey Bro!! Love the video!! I currently do 8 sets a week per bodypart, 0-1 RIR, is that enough for maximizing growth? Whenever I had more sets than that, I feel like the sets are suboptimal and I’m already wiped for the previous intense sets!

[@jenis-01]

8 sets is most likely absolutely enough, and possible optimal in fact if you are truly going to failure. basement bodybuilding goes much more indepth with why the 6-10 sets per bodypart per week is great for most and where most elite natural lifters like gvs and bb, etc end up.

[@GillRapz]

@@jenis-01 Should I do this in a push pull legs, rest, repeat routine? Or upper lower?

[@sweetphilly2]

Hmmm doesn't some of this contradict your other t-bar row video from last year? I think you stated to worry more about the control, ROM w/ smaller plates, and maintaining

[@cflingo1]

This is awesome. I just bought a D Handle (V-Bar) landmine attachment to replace my infinity straps I was using. Can't wait to use it and see how much weight I can pull. Is a neutral grip as effective as a T-Bar?

[@davide_guerra]

good quality content as always💪

[@kzg_veritas12]

Yes, and they are a time-saver in my experience as well I already maxed out the Dumbells in my local gym for a handy few of my exercises so I swapped my one arm db rows to T-Bars, plus chances of muscle imbalance are not as high compared to the former back exercise

[@barbellbryce]

HE SAID IT, FELLAS! HE SAID OPTIMAL!!!!!! SINNER!!!!!!

[@lewisstrongofficial]

I did landmine rows with the v-bar pulldown attachment for the first time in years and I gotta say it really hits different. I know it’s not exactly the t-bar row but I feel it’s very similar.

[@AlexLeonidas]

Same lengthened emphasis, just a bit less ROM (including at the top) unless you modify it a bit with some mats.

[@ElijahZaporteza]

I was gonna do pendlay rows after weighted chins tomorrow, but now i think i wanna swap them out for some t-bar rows and try going stupid on them

[@fluxeorswndic]

Alex can you please make a video about the burpee training you are doing ?

[@chonkeboi]

I just started doing these, I immediately fell in love with them.

[@kudbettinkohen1935]

QUESTION: Any opinion on doing seated BTN press with chess support? More stable and slightly more forward lean

[@frosche2466]

I’ve never tried tbar rows I’ve tried chest supported rows but god I can’t breath in them I can’t wait to try them out next session

[@michaelvanderlaan5629]

@11:30 are you suggesting that by doing t bar rows I will get enough lower back stimulus to not require good mornings or rdls in that session?

[@AlexLeonidas]

If it's the same session, yes. I would not include a hip hinge. Unless you have a unique split where you're combining legs/back.

[@michaelvanderlaan5629]

@AlexLeonidas yeah my routine at the moment is a bit weird, i do one leg day a week so I have my hip hinges on my two pull days so i can fit more quads in on the leg day. Probably a dumb idea but I don't want to do 6 days a week any more.

[@ahmedalmahdi9254]

Can you replace regular rows in a 5x5 program with t-bar rows and progress just as fine? I prefer t-bars for my lower back and I feel more activation doing them than regular bent overs or pendlays.

[@hillsawyer]

12:23 i never knew lat veins were possible damn

[@naughtiousmaximus7853]

Hey Alex, hopefully you see this question. What would you say is high bar good morning equivalent of 220lbs low bar good morning for 10 reps?

[@vukradulovic7888]

Pls upload a video on new lying bicep curl popular exercises it looks like pelican curl with dumbells!

[@zeroman155]

🎊Happy 4th of July, Alex!🇺🇸🎉💪

[@literallygutsberserk]

I love this exercise.

[@mohammadhosseinmalekzadeh1762]

Bro wake up alex posted a new video

[@ArminEghdamiDrums]

sounds like alex is about to bring back rackpulls above the knee

[@elcoyote51]

That advice is what gave me my 1st hernia

[@petergause1760]

Great video and great exercise, but I think it needs to be pointed out out there's a difference between how you and Arnold perform the exercise (deep stretch+ deep hip hinge) vs how Ronnie and a lot of other people in those clips performed it (very upright, and just turning it into a glorified high pull, which admittedly is pretty good for upper traps)

[@t6c756]

Is underhand wise regarding potential biceps tear? Otherwise, looks great!

[@AlexLeonidas]

If you're natty, I wouldn't stress! I've been doing almost exclusively underhand pulls for the last year.