TA-0436: DER EE DE5000 - Hantek 1832C - EastTester ET432 - LCR Meter

LCR Handheld Testing against GW-Istek LCR-6002 and VC4090C / ET4410
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[@teotwaki]

I have had my DE5000 for a few years and have been very happy with it. I have mostly used it to measure components for RF filters I've built for the 2 - 30 MHz range. It was very interesting to see your comparison of the different brands. Thank you for the thorough approach at testing and also for sharing the results.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thank you! .. yes i hear from many the DE5000 is a winner still after many years of use. so the DER EE is a save pick for sure , just also wanted to know if the newer stuff would perform good. it was all very close, but in the end real quality wins.

[@jwrtiger]

Excellent video! Thanks Tony for putting in all that work, great job.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thank you very much John

[@Antoine_de_Saint_Exupéry]

I was tormented by the burden of choice for a long time. And then Tony says: look at the difference)) Thank you, Tony. Just in time)) Спасибо 👍

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks Antoine !

[@ssalient]

This was the test I have been waiting for!

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks Marnix!

[@Ojref1]

I know a few people that use the little Peak meters, and they are quite popular... Perhaps now that you've built up these results you can add it to the table in a future video. They seem to be quite accurate and they are easy to toss in a bag. Thank you for your efforts with the LCR meters, this has been invaluable and really informative for future purchases.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thank you! yes those Peak seem nice, never tried one yet.. nice suggestion.

[@francomarianardini681]

very nice and comprehensive analysis. congrats! ciao from Italy!

[@TonyAlbus]

Thank you very much!

[@MarcelHuguenin]

Hey Tony! Wow, dat was een uitgebreide review zeg met de nodige uurtjes werk. Denk dat Eleshop daar ook blij mee kan zijn. Ik heb zelf nog geen van deze meters, doe het nog met de eenvoudige TC1 tot nu toe (en die kan niet alles meten natuurlijk), maar zodra ik er aan toe ben, ga ik deze video weer bekijken om te zien welke ik op dat moment ga kiezen. Bedankt voor deze geweldige review!

[@ric8868]

I have the der ee for a few years now, it has been super reliable. I modified the leads to 4 wire clips and have nothing but good things to say about it. The battery lasts a long time and for a hobbyist is perfectly good. When I bought it was cheaper, however mine didn’t have the plastic case. I wish there was a lcr meter that would measure leakage at high voltages…

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks for sharing, great to know how it is over a long time... the other brands still need to proof that consistancy.

[@0202fabrice]

Note the Hantek 1833C goes to 100 kHz, and measures low pf caps with stability. As you showed, it is possible to get nonsense sometimes, so there's a real difference between measuring a known, like you did, vs. an unknown quantity. What seems to works well when measuring an unknown is to first check the measured reactance, then set frequency to get a reactance near one of the range settings. The 1833C will give very nearly the same result over a wide variety of f and range settings as long as range/reactance is ~ 0.1 to 10x.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks

[@SinnerSince1962]

Thanks Tony for doing the hard work for us! I have an old tube model TO-5 that has been an awesome checker. I also have a Sencore LC-75, but question its reliability.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks! .. the sencore looks cool. nice!

[@tonogtube]

17:09 Excelent 👍

[@TonyAlbus]

Thank you!, Yes that opened my eyes too and i keep learning, that was an interesting table.

[@nurab-sal1276]

@@TonyAlbus Watch out, because the table is showing ohms in straight lines, but if you take capacitance it goes downwards as the tick marks indicate. So 1µF capacitor at 1 kHz is solidly in the 0.2% 1µF with 300kHz is 10% according to this graph.

[@TonyAlbus]

@@nurab-sal1276 Thanks! good info

[@three-phase562]

Very thorough review, thanks for sharing! On the test certificate for my DMMCheck Plus it sates that the inductance and capacitance were measured at 10 kHz, which doesn't appear to be the most accurate setting.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks!, i missed the part on the 10K my certificate, thanks for sharing, yes for the highest values 1K would have been better

[@kmi964]

Tony Albus what a tonic' my top go to creator to chil to, always seems to be as happy as larry at the bench; i applaud your work thank you; i have always wondered as to why der-ee has still not addressed this ongoing issue of lead length and simply passing it on to the consumer ? ; now you are saying there is a sort of general sweet spot when by using lower frequency i'm edging towards the east tester for its i screen clarity.

[@nurab-sal1276]

One thing to take into account with measuring capacitors is that there is a inductance in series (either in the capacitor winding, or more common just the loop it makes with the connectors). As the capacitance is -90 and the inductance +90, these are cancelling each other out. Of course, that is maximum at the resonance frequency, but before that, the capacitance is getting "eaten away" by the inductance.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks!

[@jspencerg]

Very thorough results! I had same questions about accuracy of my et432. I only have one lcr. I have a nanovna v2plus4. I read that capacitance and inductance should be measured at 90 degrees, minus and plus respectively. The vna shows how the resonant frequency is approached, which confirms need to use lower frequencies for larger caps. I follow this rule when interpreting the esr readings. Of course, being able to match circuit frequency is best way to assess a component. The vna with its different measurements across different frequencies is the best way to develop understanding about these passive components impedance behaviors.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks! oh yeah that is a great solution to also use the VNA... indeed.

[@rustamid5743]

It would be interesting to compare them measuring very low L and C values with high frequencies.

[@TonyAlbus]

Yes indeed, who knows i do more tests later, this already took way more time then expected.

[@JohnUsp]

@@TonyAlbus yes, do the Kelvin Probe Clip Upgrade and measure Pico Farad, etc

[@guileukow]

Thanks a lot Tony! That makes the choice more difficult indeed but I'll probably stay on my first choice (the DER one :) Another question, I used to calibrate the Agilent tweezer with the proper spacer (equal length of the device to test) for open and short, probably giving better resolution for frequencies above 1MHz. This spacer was delivered in standard with the Agilent tweezer set (see images of Agilent 16334A set for instance to see that spacer). I was wondering if trying to do the same would improve further more the results?

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks for sharing, interesting.

[@jabbalechat7910]

I've got a DER DE-5004 multi meter, top piece of kit, true RMS and includes probe calibration on the special LCR selection to give very accurate component measurement values...

[@TonyAlbus]

Those look indeed nice, i did look at them, thanks for sharing it is good, i was wondering.

[@coldfinger459sub0]

I found a DE 5000 through the Japanese website sales in Japan. Are selling for between $95 and $108 US.🇯🇵 Only after it goes through a second or third-party vendor through another company being resold, they put their mark up on the product then the price goes up to $199 US . So by locating and sourcing through a Japanese reseller, direct delivery has much cheaper

[@TonyAlbus]

Yes that is true, here in EU also 21% VAT on top and shipping form Japan..

[@jheissjr]

It is surprising the 470uF and 4700uF measured low on all the meters. You would never know they were not the rated values without the meters. Can you do a video on testing caps with an external DC bias applied?

[@TonyAlbus]

they are Chinese caps.. it was expected to be low.

[@craxd1]

I have an East Tester bench model, and they are rather good. I have been debating purchasing a handheld. This is OT, but have you tried one of the mini-GPS disciplined RF generators yet? They're not bad, except that the readout is in kHz only.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks, yes i am happy with my Victor Rohsui VC4090C which is the ET4410 ... its very good for its price. I do actualy have one of those generators, it is in my queue to do.

[@pault6533]

After graphing many different results, I have found all my LCR meters start losing accuracy above 1 uF. By 47uF, 5% under. By 1,000 uF, 10% under. I'm using 100 Hz and Series for these measures. It's disappointing because I can go grab an inexpensive multimeter with capacitance mode and get a more accurate result for capacitance value. Then I need to verify the quality factors with one of these LCR meters. It would be nice to have all measures accurate in one unit. What is your experience? Do you have or have seen an electrolytic capacitor tester which does leakage test?

[@jspencerg]

It is my understanding that one must apply rated voltage to capacitor to assess its leakage current. Lots of examples available for that measurement.

[@ivolol]

Electronics Old and New channel has a few videos on building a DIY high voltage capacitor leakage tester. I'd guess that if you are commercial entity that wants to measure this, either you are a highly specialised company with so much many you can buy anything to measure it, or in fact, it's never worth your while measuring it, instead you A) design around normal specs B) simply replace any caps wholesale, do not bother measuring such things, waste of time. This means there's next to no [affordable] instruments that would be available to buy to do that measurement.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks Paul, i am not an advanced user, this video was a learning experiance for me. Never thought of leakage before.. when they look bad i replace them,. but it is an interesting point.

[@jspencerg]

​@@ivolol Many dmm's will measure micro amps and HV sources prices become high at really excessive voltage. So, measuring leakage is not difficult on the bench. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmLUfomVnbl6fdksi=y7Gam7NNVeZRJTD-

[@SylwerDragon]

Nice video. I bought LCR handheld meter from BK Precision. It looked like reputable brand and i think that is only you can find with good name a reasonable price..even it wasn't cheap at all and was for sure more than 180.. but yes ..in general up to 1kHz is all you want to measure anything more has no sense at all or has special purpose but for general capacitors and resistors and such.. 50/120hZ up to 1kHz is ok to go

[@TonyAlbus]

Great to know that is also your experiance... 1k has been a great starting point for me.. so i stick with that.

[@jheissjr]

👍

[@TonyAlbus]

Thank you!

[@JohnUsp]

You should improve your DER DE-5000 with a Kelvin Probe Clip Upgrade. (and redo the tests)

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks

[@JohnUsp]

Thank you, but you should write the DMM Plus REAL Values and not the Reference Values. Can you, please, update the Spreadsheet and put it on the video description (or comments)? Thanks.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thanks

[@svilenp]

[@TonyAlbus]

Thank you!

[@Jnglfvr]

Tony, nice review. Wish you had investigated the guard terminal in the Hantek. According the Kerry Wong's review there is no signal coming out of the guard terminal. I confirmed this with my own unit.

[@TonyAlbus]

Thank you, yes that has already been done as you say.

[@btasler]

2B + /2B = 2B.

[@TonyAlbus]

1+1=3

[@mp1454]

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[@TonyAlbus]

Thank you!