How to play Orks in 9th edition - Tips from 40k Playtesters

Learn the new tricks and tactics you will need to play Orks in 9th edition from a team that has been playtesting the game for months. We take you through all the biggest nerfs and buffs to the Orks army along with the core strategies and thoughts on list creation.
Don't miss all our other 9th edition launch coverage including battle reports and tactics videos covering nearly all factions in the game.
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
0:41 - Board control
2:10 - Flexible builds
3:31 - Great screens
4:58 - Smaller board
6:00 - Slower start
7:05 - Freebootaz
8:12 - No wraps
9:35 - Tagging less effective
10:30 - More LoS
11:40 - Blast weapons
12:55 - Limited detachments
15:05 - Speculative charging
16:45 - Screening countercharges
24:00 - Deathskulls list
26:25 - Freebootaz list
28:35 - Closing thoughts
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[@multidimensionalcenturion9863]

Itz simple. Ya bring da biggest dakka and da most boyz to start a propa WAAAGH!

[@Vulpes_91]

Zog! Evin mo boyz!

[@sauceman3462]

You know it is bad when they say "let the space marine player charge you"

[@alphacypher7099]

Yea I don't agree with letting your opponent charge your orks. That's like saying yes come kill my stuff lol.

[@miketapio1605]

I think it's situational. I had the marines charging and it worked out on a few occasions to let me maximize the amount of boyz I could get on them. Deathskulls invuln save helped more than I anticipated.

[@sonofwrex]

@Edward Chance Then you’re a terrible friend.

[@saeklas]

Can't wait for the video about Nids in 9th. Though I'm fully well anticipating it to be along the lines of How to play Tyranids: Don't

[@Dracowinges]

Tyranids, scary as demons in the fluff, on the table, myyeehh.

[@RecklessFables]

They haven't been good since Space Hulk

[@sauceman3462]

Yikes... you were right on that one. Nids look worse than the orks

[@Captainkebbles1392]

Don't But if you must Gun line.... what have they done

[@profparm]

I love the presentation difference between the death guard "filling out the table" and the orks overflowing the table. Great videos, can't wait to keep consuming this awesome 9th content! P.S. Also, you guys keep saying Painboys are HQ. They're actually elite, unless there's some change coming. Might help you fit a warboss or another weirdboy in the lists you're spitballing.

[@Makarislethal]

Funny because I have both armies and it's hilarious. Wait until they do custodians haha mine take up a corner on the shelf while my orks take up 4 alone haha

[@jasonarce5169]

Yeah! I am new to 40k and building a Ork deathskullz Army. And so am watching a lot of 9th edition Army building videos. But these guys keep putting elite units in the HQ slot. And they are using Meks with force fields (2 of them). And I think are now index or Legends. That could be wrong.

[@profparm]

@@jasonarce5169 The mek w force field as an HQ is in saga of the wolf. It's a great resource and if you want to play competitively essential, but if you're playing for fun I'd wait to see if they announce the codex any time soon, because all the psychic awakenings seem like they'll be invalid when their army book comes out.

[@Gaspingindeath]

Unfortunately, this was made before the new points dropped.... Probably dropping a LOT of grots from my lists now. Hoping the codex finds some way to justify the increase (like giving them access to Kultures or a buff in some other way)

[@Joshua-yl1yq]

feeels bad but they are more powerful as screens now. Since you get no benefit from CP loss. Although I would love my grots to reroll advances...

[@averytallgremlin2097]

Me whos used to seeing like 50 models at most on the table: The table: I am now green

[@grotwurksmekshop6607]

The issue is the impact of blast on the boys and the fact that Marines have more dakka than any ork list

[@Silverdragon83X]

Never underestimate Ork Shooty Lists, they have so much Dakka for not that much points and with the right stratagems and Dakka Dakka Dakka they can hit very hard in the shooting phase !!!

[@Marc-kq3hw]

Bad moons with 90 shoota boyz, 20 lootas, and a couple mek gunz are putting out absolutely huge volumes of dice but we're still orks so unfortunately most of them miss lolol

[@RecklessFables]

Since they've said you should not charge first anymore, the list better be shooty. Apparently Orks are gunline now

[@Grim67894]

@@RecklessFables 8th was also gunline...

[@Ottakazi]

The trick is to also bring big vehicle units that make the enemy want to shoot their blast weapons at them instead of the boys. Me personally I'm bringing 2 battlewagons loaded with flash gitz, deff dreads and killa Kans

[@chemx__O__o]

Yeeees just what I wanted too see when I wake up and hopp on KZbin : D 💚💚💚

[@samg7430]

Great analysis guys. Looking forward to a Necron one :)

[@Kneisll]

Thanks for your great work on the different armies, really appreciate it! Orks are the best, by far.

[@austinjones3030]

You guys are killing it!

[@scottrobertson5189]

Guys when you talk about army builds like you do in these videos, it would be great if you could actually provide a detailed list of the army at the end of the video or maybe a link in the description. Keep up the great content.

[@salmaanhashmi8288]

As a New player to 40k, Picking Orks in 2019 and getting my start collecting box changed everything for me. From then on all I knew was WAGH! Still the learning curve of playing is an immense climb.

[@dawarrior76]

Awesome analysis of the orks for this edition...haven’t had the chance to play nineth ed yet, but surely will try listing a different way.

[@LumberingTroll]

Great video guys, I've been wanting to start Orks for a while, currently, I play Tyranids (far far too many models in my collection!) I hope you do a video on 9th Nids!

[@Tuskanr]

Finally!! Been finishing up my Orks for 9th. Still lots to do. Speed Freaks and tanks FTW!

[@darkfuture3291]

This video is great:) thank you so much guys:)

[@thecoolerrats7144]

I’d felt like your content had lagged in terms of releases the last year, especially when leaks and rumors started to come out, and it makes sense since you were busy play-testing 9th. Enjoying all the great informed and strategic content.

[@kriscrossx122]

I could see a evil suns speed freak list working out pretty well since they are generally unaffected by blast weapons while benefiting from vehicles shooting in combat. Take a painboy on a bike and a kff bike, throw in deffkilla wartrike, dragstas, squigbuggies and have a madmax style list.

[@pacecory1]

thats about what I was considering for 9th

[@taylorarluck8766]

Evil Sunz Speed Freeks are good, but Deathskulls might be better for the universal 6++ b/c KFFs are gonna be rarer with fewer HQ slots. DS rerolls on low-shot buggies, like Shokkjump Dragstas is ace. Also DS Meks with objective secured, ablative grot oiler, and kustom mega-slugga with rerolls are cheap Elites slot fillers to get a brigade.

[@one_pang]

Kff bike is gone iirc

[@nrais76]

My daughter plays a Deathskullz Speed Freeks list. I was annoyed Outrider Detachments didn't get their points refunded, too. Or the others for that matter - she's also working on a Dred Mob (with her sights set on a Stompa Mob). Penalizing a really thematic list like Speed Freeks just sucks. It IS more CPs than she got in 8th, though. But with Imperial factions she usually faces off against getting more still, it's not an extra hurdle she should have to face. I hope they fix this. Giving the Deffkilla Wartrike a special ability ought to do it without letting everybody do it, thus continuing to reflect the special forces sort of feel I think they were going for.

[@deang8017]

Every single video you guys have put out since 9th dropped has been the best video about 9th

[@adrianmcp92]

Thanks so much Dean! That's so good to hear :)

[@crabstack5488]

Awesome stuff! Been loving your videos about 9th. BTW, will there be an IG video up anytime soon?

[@wesyoung9331]

Which HQ was in your first Ork list from the Supreme Command Detachment that you mentioned?

[@LeopoldZ]

Great video as always! Just one question, you often talk about the new rules for ruins and how much line of sight that gives you. But since terrain is defined before the battle, couldn't you just say you need to be "through" the wall to be in the terrain? So that you are actually inside the ruin instead of just touching the wall?

[@tannerdulaney7998]

Hoping on the WH40k Ork train. Good timing too with 9th dropping. I bought a start collect Ork set and some loota's and the 8th codex. Will be getting the saga of the beast with my friend who's running space wolves. Any advice or tips for how to start building my army and what should be must haves like loota's from what I've seen?

[@cablesalad3168]

Hey guys, love your faction guides for 9th edition. What's your opinion on Orkboyz in transports, like Trukks and Battlewagons for 9th? Do you think a mech Ork/Speedfreek army is going to be viable?

[@kaneeijbergen889]

Any chance that we could see a video for chaos space marines?

[@brandonlibbesmeier1945]

@Adrian Phillips - Do you have any general positioning tips for orks or ork boyz? I’m new to the game and would love info or links to help keep my ladz from getting blasted off the table from shooty armies.

[@spellswordmain]

Fantastic video. Hope you guys make Genestealers next

[@abaz9495]

Is the full Deathskulls list available somewhere? Building my first list and it's quite overwhelming so would appreciate the guidance.

[@charlessmith491]

Will you be posting to two armies anywhere?

[@tinycowboy248]

I feel like evil sunz are getting a decent buff, I heard ork vehichle are better in this edition, I really hope so!

[@macennh]

Can you guys make a more in-depth terrain explanation video?

[@vidarthorsby2052]

Will you do Tyranids or GSC?

[@jobointernethobo9071]

Hi Titans, are you guys planning to make a new video with updated codex?

[@orkimedes]

Can we just talk about how good this army looks? What colours are being used here may I ask?

[@meganobgutzkraka2398]

its a trade off everyone takes a hit cut them down shadow nerfs yeah they slapped orks and nids again, hurraaaaaaay

[@Manticoran66]

Nah, 'nids are just back to monster-mash only... Which as a horde 'nid player pisses me off, but there's theoretically a win there?

[@khalebrobertson9907]

@HappyandAtheist same, F for our diseased friends

[@multidimensionalcenturion9863]

Boss iz got a idea. We just bring even MOAR DAKKA!

[@Thomcat-dk]

Adrian do you still expect Freebootas to be a competetive list with the point increase on Flash gits? 27% on 10 Flashgitz and Baddruk

[@zeria354]

super informative and well done thanks guys! for an old 'ere we go' veteran ork player just newly coming back to the faction for 9th , I am super excited

[@jasonarce5169]

The literally got so much wrong in this video forget about what they said. For 1 Painboyz are elites not HQ.

[@Laiynnalaiynna]

18:30, can you actually pre-measure in 9th edition?! I'm an oooold player (6th or 7th edition?) and am looking into getting my Greenies back into the fray again, so really appreciate your videos :).

[@BaWitda]

I think you're overvaluing Cut Them Down. Especially with the new Engagement Range rules, you're probably not going to get more than ten or so boyz in range of any given unit unless you have a really good charge roll. I also think death skullz monofaction is going to want to focus almost mostly on dakka. I don't think the assault units are going to quite make it. Partly because even with more terrain, you're not going to be able to hide thirty boyz entirely behind or on a terrain feature, and partly because they move slow and charge unreliably without the Sunz bonus (slightly better than a 50/50 on a 9 inch charge with 'Ere We Go). I think you want to keep just enough melee to react to opponents charging into you, and then focus the rest of your points into volume of fire.

[@adrianmcp92]

Yeah I think this is a good call. Most of my lists now run about 60 utility boyz, mostly for bodies, with a lot of dakka

[@DaWasklyWabbit]

@@adrianmcp92 think it's better to run then in squads of 20? Maybe I should try cramming them into battlewagons again. Sucks that 11+ proc full shots on blast discouraging 12 boys in trucks. Thinking of working outflanked trucks of boyz for objective nabbing to route enemies in multiple directions.

[@bjornorvar3403]

Brian needs to run a kopta list!

[@grubbie8614]

Hope you guys do a harlequin one of these.

[@13thcentury]

Dakka Rhymes with chewbaca And just in case it turns up "ere we go" is a football chant to the tune of Stars and stripes forever.

[@Mortechai]

Sounds like 9th will come to be known as "Screenhammer".

[@jasonarce5169]

Not with blast weapons being a thing. I am thinking of using boyz to protect nobz. In front lines. A small unit of grots to my back field point. To try to get a point each round guarantee.

[@blockprime3006]

When I started 40k I started with chaos space marines, now a few months later I know Orks will be my main army I love the kitbashing aspect and I find them easyer and more intuitive from a synergistic standpoint, just screen move, charge stack buffs from hq's psychic powers and grab some boys and units you think will synergise well, just won my first game with them today against salamanders, and I had 25 points less in my list, than his, feels good

[@icklemoo]

In your idea for a freebooter list , why would you take the gork over the mork out of interest ? I would have thought the Mork with kustomjob to boost to BS4 off bat would be better plus the 5+ always a bonus . I have never had much luck using my gork as a gork in games in 8th ,

[@Acidicstudios]

How to actually play Orks in 9th edition: Put them on a shelf until 10th edition

[@Adlore]

Or optimistically a codex that buffs them

[@PLpecior]

Still top in the charts of win rate

[@cz85]

I noticed a Squiggoth, is that showing up in the battle report? :)

[@matthewphillips6823]

I damn sure hope so

[@DerMitWieWoOhneNamen]

A Squiggoth and a Gargantuan Squiggoth. Oh please please please feature them in a battle report

[@adrianmcp92]

Oh I will make sure they do. Funny enough the big one actually did get better. Always take 2 supa lobbas which are heavy haha

[@spankmeister1000]

Did I read blast can't shoot in engagement range, so at least tanks with blast can't shoot in cc

[@DerMitWieWoOhneNamen]

Yes, so tanks can generally shoot into melee now, however: Heavy Weapons get a -1 to hit penalty within Engagement Range (but not for moving anymore). And Blast Weapons will be the only ones not being able to shoot into close combat at all. That makes all kinds of sponson weapons more valuable. You want all the Heavy Bolters, Storm Bolters and similar you can possibly take. In 8th ed people usually didn't take them to shave off some points

[@rngriff1]

I love piratey orks too! Could you make up a sample freebooter list of 1500-2000 points based on the 9th ed rules? Thank you!

[@Glamour_Smashed_Face]

Such a great video my dudes!

[@atomicsocrates8482]

Please do Genestealer Cult, I have a feeling we'll need it.

[@adrianmcp92]

Oh absolutely, there's a ton to talk about with them!

[@lokalnyork]

Sadly we can't play "more bodies than enemy bullets" with point increase...

[@MrEzuma]

What I really want to know... Are mad max style all truck and battle wagon mounted forces viable in this new edition? I'm not well versed in 40k rules yet but wonder if anyone has thoughts on the matter?

[@ilarinikkarikoski4765]

Well I say no for two heavy reasons. - our infantry is not that great this edition, it will not put out lot of damage and survivability is bit low. - all wagons went up in price quite a lot, so to do mechanized infantry might not be the best move Orks will need bodies in the frontline to soak in the wounds and in order to take the control of the battlefield. But to have lots of infantry and provide transports for them, you might end up not having enough points for proper damage dealers.

[@tchecg]

I need one of this for GSC, because right now I have no clue

[@rf-cattleprod6207]

Use neopyhtes in trucks to get units on the table and bikes if you can afford it. Put acolytes and metamorphs in ambush along with primus and kellermorph. Figure out where you need to go and what you need to kill, ambush right there. Use that 2 point strat to show up 9" then either move D6 or shoot, use that with the metamorphs, move into range with the hand flames, then use the 3 point strat where you show up 3" but can't charge, use that one for the primus, re-roll wound rolls of 1 with hand flames. Burn the unit, charge, add one to hit roll with primus, re-roll hits of 1 with banner, re-roll wounds of 1 with primus. No primaris marine unit can with stand that. I've taken down Redemptors with that. Do the same with kellermorph and acolytes on your next turn. Keep your bikes and trucks moving, try not to engage enemies with them. You can switch out your ambush units with abberants and their leader dude. I've done it, it can work. Also, if you need to create a heavy support detachment of astra militarum using Basilisks and Hydra/Wyverns (Hydras for Eldars and Tau, Wyverns for Tyranids and Orks), like I said before, if you can afford it. Using this will create holes in their lines if the opponent has effective screening. After a turn of this shooting, they shouldn't have screening units anymore. In this case, lose any transports for your GSC. Units to get for GSC, lots basic troops, kellermorph and primus, anything artillery based, the GSC dune buggies with the jackal alpha and Astra Militarum artillery units I mentioned. Don't bother patriarchs or magus.

[@Kampfwaer]

Why do you keep the units in 18" for KFF? Its only a 6" aura. Thanks for the information :)

[@jasonarce5169]

I doubt you still asking this question. But this video came out in 2020 almost 2 years exactly. But any one whom just watch this video. These guys just read the Codex. But without notice many of the rules changes at all. So many errors. Doing a whole section base on wrong information about a Big Mek Kustom force field(The KFF should do 6" of aura "that's a little more than 12" around the Men's base" which can be boosted with a extra 3" by big gob. And telling Orks not to charge. It was a lot of 8th edition thinking in a 9th edition meta.

[@hyperlance]

When are you guys going to do Aeldari?

[@adrianmcp92]

Just now :)

[@anungunrama9344]

Nice video I hope Death guard gets one

[@romanusvir]

Given that games will be more holding objectives based, how good do y'all think a walker heavy list would work? I'm thinking 3 Gorkanauts, 9 Deff Dreads, and 12 Killa Kan amount of walkers here; just max out all the heavy armour.

[@DerMitWieWoOhneNamen]

I playtested this and in a Tin 'Ead detachment, they are now absolutely bonkers good! But keep in mind that you need objective secured (Dis is Ours! Zog Off!) models, otherwise a single surviving enemy troop will just steal your objective. I recommend paying the CPs to get a detachment of Deathskullz. In there, every single Infantry model gets objective secured!

[@romanusvir]

@@DerMitWieWoOhneNamen that's my main idea. I play mono Deathskulls anyway so having an extra detachment of infantry is the plan. The Deffs and Nauts clear out chaffe and can either charge forward and the infantry hold the poht or hold the point themselves and the infantry screen the enemy.

[@PaulBaker10]

From my very short experience, it seems it’s absolutely essential that you go first (which hasn’t happened yet) Did I miss something?

[@jjaarr3208]

When's the GSC video?

[@Zilegil]

The cut them down stratagem isn’t thaaat great. It won’t be 30 dice, you probably only have about 10 (maybe fewer now) in engagement range. This means you’re going to average only about 1 maybe 2 mortal wounds when you use it

[@adrianmcp92]

All true, but orks are better equipped to use it than most factions

[@dalejohnson7056]

Bravo 👏👏👏

[@adamnystrom2166]

You know The painboy is elite right? It sounds like you think he is an HQ.... Love The video btw :)

[@KhornateBRZRKR]

Is this relevant for playing now? I just grabbed the codex and saga of the beast so idk much

[@honorguard7616]

Hears 20 grot : Blast buffs come to mind ; Wait you say bring more grots per squad letting your enemies show more dakka???

[@gravyjones9746]

What LOS changes? I thought the LOS stuff worked like ITC?

[@adrianmcp92]

So ITC rules are gone, making way for the new obscuring rule, which is a huge change for us ITC players

[@canis2020]

I really wish the hobby wasn't so expensive. I love all aspects from painting to the novels.

[@dicedoom7162]

you can start small with Kill Team.

[@Johnnodonoughue]

You should have tried collecting it 20 years ago before ebay 🤣🤣

[@grimaldushelbrecht8811]

Hey guys, I wanna start an Ork Goff Army. Do you have some general tips what units I need? Is a combat patrol a good box? I mean not good for a small list but good for a 2k points list. I dont wanna waste too much money on units I won't need in a 2k game. I prefer to buy the 2k points army together and not step by step

[@Iruka1991]

orks want to have several detachment so will mostly take two or even three patrols. beastboss on squigsaurus is the strongest HQ. i play goff too and I'm noticing that you might want to find fast moving troops that get into the enemy face quickly and also hit hard so they have to focus on killing them while your snagga boyz secure points and do actions

[@AlvarazCMSB]

how many points are grots and boys, between blast and point increases they may not be viable in fun blobs :/

[@YvraineSimp]

Does opsec means - to hits or what?

[@Russlem]

I think Orks are likely to be one of the weaker factions in 9th. Pretty much all competitive Ork lists were souping Evil Sunz with Bad Moons and/or Deathskulls. Given how easy it was in 8th to get to 3 battalions even at 1500 points Orks actually lost CP with the detachment changes and they are already one of the most CP hungry factions. So in terms of just output, their armies are now objectively worse than they were in 8th due to the loss of clan souping and CPs. With the addition of blast rules and the new terrain LOS changes it'll be even harder to keep your boys in unstoppable green tide range. It's looking like 9th is going to have Imperial factions totally unbeatable until we get new codecies. Ad Mech now can't be tagged since their roster is literally 90% vehicles so have lost the primary reason they souped with Knights. Imperial Guard can't be tagged and don't suffer on movement anymore so lost the primary reason they souped with Blood Angels. Space Marines were already loathe to soup plus got blast so it's just a win for them. Sororitas already had a strong shooting list and didn't typically soup. Custodes can now stack 1+ saves with the new Storm Shields going to 0+ in cover. Meanwhile Chaos soup is on life support while having most lists auto-lose vs. Grey Knights, Craftworlds now have to consider if souping with Harlequins is worth it and can no longer Supreme Command with Drukhari for CPs and stratagems, Tau battlesuits can now be tagged because they don't have the vehicle tag. 9th edition feels like yet another love letter to Imperials when they were already overwhelmingly dominating the meta. Buckle up, it's yet another year of every tournament list being dominated by all Imperial factions.

[@YvraineSimp]

And Ynari is unplayable, GW wanted to stop people from shopping around for the best sauce. Which makes sense in a casual setting, but in competitive. I’ve had to remake my craftworld, it wasn’t too bad but there’s almost no reason to run aspect warriors other than dire avengers

[@mauktheogre4477]

It's gonna be real funny seeing nothing but space marines duke it out at competitions, seeing as mankind is supposed to be unified.

[@freakwifme]

so will blood axes cover bonuses still stand?

[@mikefish1124]

I think/hope the PDF erratta will change some of the obselete Klan bonuses. Waiting to see what happens

[@danielweberdlc]

Seems like ork trucks would be super powerful. They would allow putting large amounts of troops on objectives in turn 1.

[@adrianmcp92]

I think they're very interesting!

[@rickrickbullshit2000]

at 9:50 why does he say Grots dont get killed in overwatch? something i missed?

[@erks6849]

When will you guys make such a video for the Astra Militarum!

[@metalheadmartyr]

Are you guys going to make a video for “How to play Daemons in 9th edition?

[@paolocappelli7242]

How to play Daemons in 9t Edition: don't.

[@TheTexasDice]

It's pretty easy: 1. Don't 2. Take you demon models and play Age of Sigmar with them.

[@paolocappelli7242]

I'm kidding I love their look and I will probably collect them anyway, it just doesn't look good for them rules-wise.

[@danielhammer619]

Gargantuan Squiggoth looks so sexy. Also how would you make an Evil Sunz, Bad Moonz, and Goff army?

[@CrimsonTusk]

Trukks, Dakka and Boyz. Thats how you do it =)

[@alexanderwillis9473]

@@CrimsonTusk i think he means with less detachments in 9th issue

[@CrimsonTusk]

@@alexanderwillis9473 Yeh, I get what you mean - it's always nicer to have rules that back up the fluff for the factions you're playing. I'm sure there's a way to make Ork soup lists viable, but I'm yet to play any 9th so it'll be trial and error for a while =)

[@Motard.Actual]

Killsaws!!! Kills saws everywhere!!

[@ajaxtaur]

You mention "Fights First" abilities here towards the end of the "Speculative Charging" section. There are some issues with this, since those armies that have "Fights First" abilities often have them worded as such: "This unit fights first. If your opponent has charged or both players have 'fights first' rules, alternate *starting with the player whose turn it is.*" Unless those wordings change, fights first won't get to fight first when charged.

[@meganobgutzkraka2398]

honestly surprised they didnt just put in "if both units have the 'fights first' rule, both players roll a d6, highest roll goes first every turn"

[@firebollocks]

@@meganobgutzkraka2398 they effectively have. The player whose turn it is decides the order things happen in if rules like this affect both sides.

[@REDN0AK]

Ok so basically... Orks are screwed xD When you have to say 'its a trade-off' 'everyone takes a hit' and 'shadow nerfs' alot and have call out the stupid 'cut them down' strat (which only works for models within engagement range btw) as a great way to 'mitigate' the changes You know it's going to be tough one to swallow

[@alexanderkentopp3070]

Eh I wouldn't say that they're going to be weak by any means. Orks have a huge amount of options and are very versatile. Secondarily, since the missions really like to have lots of obsec bodies on points that are fearless, Orks as well positioned for that. Sure you'll have to change but I think Orks come out relatively similar based on how I'm seeing things shift up

[@REDN0AK]

@@alexanderkentopp3070 all those options got nerfed though... (Or better phrasing: were better in 8th) and those obsec bodies? Are cannon fodder now. 10 intercessors in cover will be much more resilient then 30 Boyz (and can even do stuff like shoot things) and by the way... Orks are not fearless....

[@adrianmcp92]

@@REDN0AK If you're boyz aren't effectively fearless you might need to work on positioning.

[@Russlem]

@@adrianmcp92 Ah it's a L2P issue then. That's why Orks see such great representation in competitive... wait they don't. Watch the interviews with the top Ork players, they say the same thing REDN0AK is saying. They can't win a straight up fight, they have to push objectives against killy armies that are trying to get board control before taking objectives. Now in 9th edition MSU means there's more competition for board control since people don't have to shake in their boots against Knights at tournaments spamming Kill and Kill More with two overvalued killing secondaries. When these armies swap to MSU the boy spam is going to be even less viable than it was before, but Orks have no board control without it.

[@hellsong23]

What's stopping you doing long lines of single models and 'bookending' the end of each side with another model? Like a T shape?

[@Zer0Crow]

New unit coherence rules, pretty sure.

[@hellsong23]

Oh. I better check those out :)

[@MrCaryk]

I measured my ork boys yesterday. You can still line them up single file and still have everyone within 2inches of two models just keep them touching base to base

[@DerMitWieWoOhneNamen]

@@MrCaryk At the end of each round, there is a coherency check. If a model is not within coherency of 2 others, it is immediately destroyed. That means the one dude on one end of a chain will not be within 2" of two others, so he gets removed. That leads to the one standing next to him being removed... and so on. Untill the unit dies down to only 5 people left, at which you don't need to be in coherency with 2 others anymore.

[@girlhunter2102]

Don’t disparage the mighty Goffs Da Boss is watchin’

[@erikbrown3059]

So, can a few blokes in a stumps shoot out again, yet?

[@jonathannoble7657]

What orange is that? Is it ryza rust or what?

[@adrianmcp92]

It's Orange from Vallejo air on top of white airbrush

[@emanueledibona5929]

Cool, what to you think of GW attitude to poo on all armies except speiz marihnez?

[@Unholycrumpet]

So do you guys think grits are worth it still with the points increase?

[@TabletopTitans]

They still have a role to fulfill, between grot shields and simply being the cheapest bodies in the army. In this army, they help minimize the points spent on troops in such a limited pool of points

[@OverboardDM]

Orks!!!

[@johndoodoohead9221]

Please do a genestealer cults edition!!

[@adrianmcp92]

Absolutely! We need to have a long talk about them haha

[@islyfe]

I look forward to Craftworlds in 9th

[@jakron]

Any updates now that we know points changes?

[@jasonarce5169]

Yeah throw out most of what they said out the window. Necrons are almost completely reworked with their new codex. With many new rules. That change how they play a lot. I am guessing Orks will be in the same boat. When they finally get their new codex.

[@jonathantorres616]

What are the best unit's now for the orks I am a new player trying to put together a 1000 pt list

[@ilarinikkarikoski4765]

For such list, consider taking HQ with KFF, good amount of boyz and meganobz as elite! That's a good start. Then I think you would need some heavy anti-tank hitter on top of that.

[@jasonarce5169]

The Megatrakk Scrapjets at a 110 points. And the Shokkjump Dragsta at a 100 points. Are both on my short list of new units to get after a buy a Warboss.

[@ajtame]

There a text list of the lits anywhere? great content

[@nightsage217]

personal hunch. Since it's till dakka-hammer, shooting is easier with new terrain & stupid models that ignore LOS and huge range (i heard IG wyvern has heavy 4d6 blast 48" ignore LOS). Long story short 11+ models infantry unit is insane to work with. There are some units i like for 9ed: 1) I like *smasha mekgunz*, they have 3" movement to move safely into terrain on turn1 as vehicle and then shoot through. 40 pts per model, rumor says it has blast, a whacky T8 hole puncher. 2) a *dread waaagh!* special detachment (-1cp) relic shokk attack gun. It has heavy2d6 instead of 1d6. It's 2x da powah. 3) *scrapjet* has 4+BS to man two twin-heavy-shoota (assault12 str5 ap0 dmg1), some variable of str8 rocket launcha, 1 of them is 4+BS to vehicle. 110 per piece, able to get terrain obscure compared to dakkajet, but dakkajet has up to 18shots str6,ap-1,dmg1 and speed. 4) 5 stormboyz (12pts), 5 kommandos (9pts) & 1 deffkopta (25+10pts) are faster than 5pts grots at getting to an objective. Try to live with 15 lootas and more expensive grots under better firepower. It is more liability facing certain codex. Certainly the unit profile is not final, total accurate or conclusive.. I just get them from da internet.

[@danielstephens1313]

Why are Souped Up Shokka first turn hits bad now?

[@adrianmcp92]

It's hard for the souped up shokka to be bad at anything hehe. It's still great, but it is much easier for the enemy to put big targets behind obscuring cover. Though a tank heavy army will still run out of room

[@thesen8]

please make one of these for custodes!

[@DrDunce-wj8ke]

When are we getting 9th codex?

[@Gnarkill]

no one knows as of yet, i would bet middle to late 2021

[@MisterDarren]

Arrgh, the Orks have Quantity argument... again. Quantity does not beat Quality, as in the quality to actually survive a round of shooting against so many (non-Ork) armies that are so good at it. And now we have upgraded Blast weapons in 9th, hooray! Painboys, KFFs and screening units are not enough to offset the firepower coming your way, especially when your opponent gets to shoot first. (that turn one imbalance is another fish to fry) Killing units will still be important, even if it doesn't score you points. The attitude I've seen in over 20 years of playing is "if it's dead, it can't win, so kill it." So, I really don't see player attitudes changing that much in 9th. People will still build killy armies and tanky armies. How they use them, to score VPs will change, but not much else. I've been playing Orks for over 20 years, and I never enjoyed GW's attitude of "Boys before Toys" that informs so much of their decision making. The fact that the Troops options for Orks are still stuck in the 90s is laughably bad. Imagine if they did that to a MEQ army. I have a Freebootaz army that I'll be trying out first in 9th. It's built to try and do the impossible: survive an opponent's shooting phase. I'll have to take a Spearhead detachment, and eat the cost in CP, but it may be worth it? After that, I shall take on an almost Sisyphean task: Make Ghazgkull work in 9th edition. But, I do love playing the Orks. They may be stuck in the shallow end of the pool for another 25 years, but they're always fun to play. And how does that old Ork saying go? "Orks is never beaten in battle. We can always come back for another go!"

[@luisitobardajibenitez8013]

The new vehicles were cool

[@thelonespacemarine5211]

Yup. The sheer amount of marine zero effort free force multipliers make relying on a KFF utterly senseless.

[@jasonarce5169]

Ghazgkull Thraka is going to be the true BEAST in the middle field. With some support. And the rest of the army on offense. Right now with the current new codex out. Only Necrons seem to have new units that can hurt him faster.

[@theorc16]

23:54 "You have to be more Morka then Gorka" GORKAMORKA damn that got my panties wet *Subscribed

[@Pyrell]

Could you guys do a review and a "how to play" on grey knights? I want to buy them but not sure if I will ever win a game or what to buy

[@genestealerjon3033]

They are solid. You need the basic troops, but paladins are the backbone of the army.