Toyota ENTRY-LEVEL Shock Comparison! Tacoma 4Runner Tundra FJ Cruiser GX 470 GX 460

[@soap1056593]

I’ve watched probably hundreds of videos on suspension shocks and this video explained more than all of those combined

[@PunkFace303]

I'm super excited for the next 2 videos. Been debating between a few different setups and can't wait to see an overview of the 6112s!

[@Ranger_k16]

Same. I'm on 5100's and was looking at upgrading to 6112/5160. However was told there isnt much difference from someone who had them, and is better to save for a higher level setup

[@johnnytorres277]

@@Ranger_k16 I love my 6112/5160's on and offroad. Granted they're not as good as high end Fox, Icon, or King, which cost twice as much, but you dont need those unless you want to drive very fast offroad. Here's a very short video of how mine perform going up a big dune. As you can see they didnt bottom out and after the landing dont keep bouncing up and down the way stock shocks do. They're dramatically better than the cheap, skinny crappy Hitachi shocks my Sport came with. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hX7WYYCpeJ5kZ5Y

[@Ranger_k16]

@@johnnytorres277 I think the main reason people say there isn't much difference is that they are both digressive valved. My 5100's are much better over stock and I don't bottom them out either and do about 60%+ offroad. My main complaint is over washboard roads, my rear end loses traction unless I'm going less than 10mph

[@Tanner731]

as a 6112 owner either stay in the 5100/ome/ironman price range or jump to fox/king/ads/radflo dont go halfway, you'll regret it.

[@ShockSurplus]

dont listen to anyone that hasn't actually ridden on them and can compare to the 5100 or alternative brands

[@jackprick9797]

Ready for the mid tier and top tier videos. Thanks for this great series!

[@LionRunner]

This is fantastic series. I bet this is going to help every one. I'm lucky to spend quite a lot of time with Hugo discussing lot of stuff. He really is a master in the industry. I could write a book about Hugo of the things he has teached me when I talk to him about mods.

[@carlossilviotube]

where do we find more videos of Hugo? great stuff

[@LionRunner]

@@carlossilviotube I really hope he do another suspension video.

[@CarlosSanchez-ed6dn]

Just bought 4Runner and anxious to get started but feeling super overwhelmed with so many options and information.

[@SecondHalfofLife]

This was a great video. Hugo's suspension knowledge is way above the average suspension tech you hear on 99% of videos here on the tubes. Love the thorough explanation of the workings of each style of shock and what it's benefits and drawbacks are! Get that guy in more videos!

[@SandyCats]

Excellent video. Can definitely adsorb Hugos knowledge all day long. Thanks for keeping it detailed!

[@Sw20boosted]

I went with Fox 2.0 shocks all around but the Fronts are IFP Shocks and I paired them with Old Man Emu Springs, Old Man Emu Control Arms and R4T add-a-leaf in the back. Gave me a amazing ride that I hoped for and far better than the stock TRD Sport with the right amount of lift I wanted to fit 33’s. Mostly a daily driver. Originally planned to go with Bilsteins but we’re on backorder. Worked out for the better for me.

[@houseofgraceworship]

Nice! Thinking of doing the same basically

[@zdiver1]

Jeff Westcott sent me this email today. We are thrilled to announce that we have been selected to be featured at the SEMA Show in Las Vegas on Nov 1-4 2022. Toyota has invited us to be featured in this event and we couldn't be more honored!

[@clashandpotatoes]

I wish this video existed before I bought my setup. I guess I'll just have to start over!

[@Texasbroski512]

2012 Tacoma 4door short bed 4x4 previous owner installed a 3” spacer lift going to bilstein 6112 and 5160s at a 2.5” lift I’m pumped

[@EatLotsOfCurry]

I drive mostly in town doing family errands and light hauling. Occasionally on longer trips. I don’t go off roading really, but like the idea of knowing if we had to get somewhere safe, we could. I also like the aggressive look and stance. Based on this use case, what all components would you recommend if I wanted something that is good quality? I have a 3rd Gen Tundra.

[@ElevationEveryWeekend]

Really nice video guys! In the next year or so when the tires need replaced, I want to go up to a 33” skinny on my 2018 Tacoma. I don’t really want 2-3” of lift, but 1-1.5”. I run 32” tires now on stock TRD-OR suspension and it’s totally fine clearance-wise. I keep my truck modular and lightweight so that’s a factor too. Maybe those Fox shocks are the ticket, however I don’t want to level the truck only because when I have my rack/tent/gear in the bed I don’t want squat. Lots to think about for a future upgrade!

[@AM-nw6nf]

Great video guys. Just the information I needed. I subscribed and I’m waiting for the next video. You’re in Denver even better. 👍🏻

[@jonbakerocbpro8802]

I have rc v3 3” in the front, v2 in the rear. Jba high castor Ucas, front differential spacer. Ome 2.75” Dakar heavy leaf springs and ome rear differential spacer. Went from a spacer lift and upgraded parts over time. Dialed setup right now.

[@samsaraa2001]

great video guys, look forward to the rest of the videos in this series!!

[@007diego2]

This video has been very helpful. Brand new Trd off-road that I want to upgrade the suspension with, but I don’t think I need performance shocks but something in between. Thank you!

[@christopherbishop6270]

wish you guys did 1st gen Tundra's, need suspension stuff for my 2005 Double cab

[@velow7247]

Thanks so much! Fox it is. I wanted minimum lift for a little bigger tire while maintaining a smooth ride.

[@erich7863]

Have the old man emu medium load suspension kit on my 5th gen 4runner and think it great for the price. I have found it does great on higher speed stuff (40-50mph) but the rear is a tad bit stiff unloaded but nothing drastic. My only complaint is that they improve the paint finish on the shock as the paint is flaking after 3 winters.

[@Runnin4Tacos]

Yeah, OME is actually built for heavy loads. That is why it is less stiff when you are loaded.

[@michaelcelis538]

Thanks for all the great info guys!!

[@RNicknackpaddywhack]

As a mountain biker, linear is bad for jumping but good for comfort within its range of travel. Usually bottom Outs are really harsh. Not sure how this translates to vehicles.

[@UltimateAnarchy]

I'm thinking about getting that Fox setup for my GX460. Thanks for this very informative video!

[@BillyRay4280]

I got Bilstein 5100s on my 14’ Tacoma. Love this set guys! Ride quality much better than stock. Perfect for my daily driver; hunting in steep incline woods and hauling fire wood. I learned a lot from this video! You guys are very knowledgeable. Keep up the good work. Peace.

[@kentbremner7828]

I have a 14’ and I’m looking to lift it, how’s it holding up so far. I also tow a 16ft boat so I’m hoping to avoid some squat. I wanna keep the factory rake

[@BiggyMak]

Man ... even tho I been in this game for awhile, I learned a lot of stuff in this video ... Definitely thankful for the knowledge ...

[@TRUE_GR1T]

I just had the old man emu kit installed on my 15' access cab a month ago. Pretty happy with it so far, didn't get to push it too hard this season, will have to wait until spring as it snowed here this wee.

[@jsprite123]

What would be recommended for a 5th gen 4Runner, no lifting, with stock tires, just to eliminate the nose dive when breaking?

[@4Runner_Fanatic]

I also have a 5th gen and have read that the Bilstein 5100s help a lot with nose dive. I plan on installing them on mine.

[@snaeper5862]

I was waiting for you guys to see if you called the stock TRD OR Bilstei ns "4600s" and you didnt disappoint! TRD OR Bilsteins =/= 4600. 4600 have the same diameter as the 5100 and are essentially a 5100 for stock height/tire trucks meant as an OE replacement. Afaik theyre not a factory option on any truck.

[@silvanicontreras5565]

I like this video. Well done. Looking forward to the rest of them 👌

[@luisavina9147]

This is a great video. I’ll be on the lookout for the next 2

[@jarrodnichols8111]

Thanks for this! I just bought a 92 Toyota Pickup, and while I’m familiar with suspension for race cars and street cars, the off-road brands and tuning are a new world. I’ll definitely give you guys a call to discuss some possible set-ups. I do wish you had put some prices ranges up for the different options here, that would’ve saved me some time researching.

[@Yeawell]

Great video! I started looking at options for 22 4Runner various forums, and social media groups, and yt videos. Great series bc it’s solid knowledge that a lot of ppl take for granted on picking the correct setup for their build. This pointed out what works for someone my not for someone else. Research before build so when the purchase is made you only cry once not twice bc you don’t like how it rides😂

[@vaisuliafu3342]

I swear I’ve seen a video of Hugo doing lift suspension and wheels for a stock 4Runner but for the life of me I can’t find that video anymore

[@TheToyotatundra07]

On my '15 4runner with almost 73.000 miles with xreas and front leveling spacers I had two leaking shocks. Changed to 4600 at the front using the upper groove of the two available on the 4600 shock (no need for the spacers anymore, it is leveled with the back) and at the rear original Toyota Tokico shocks. 4600 were cheaper than oem at the front and oem were cheaper than the 4600 at the rear. Very close to the OEM ride. Perhaps just a tiny bit stiffer, barely noticeable. Part number on the 4600 is 24-121750 and at the rear 48530-35082.

[@GreatSax1]

Those are 4th gen part #. You have a 5th gen.

[@nh-play6018]

Hugo you da the man.....man. So I’ve talked to Hugo and he is super knowledgeable. I have gone bilstein front and back for now but gonna do upgrade down the road so cmon already with the next series of videos. LOL😂, keep the great work that you guys are doing

[@dadgarage7966]

Based on Bilstein's literature, the ratio of the front ride hide increase is a little more than 2:1. For every unit increase in strut length, there's a little more than 2X that at the rotor hub. On the 5100 for example, the first ring groove is 10 mm more = 0.85" = 21.8 mm front ride height increase.

[@thechunkyhen]

Super educational video. Thanks for the info Hugo!

[@gdmaddog1]

Excellent video explaining the differences!

[@rubenoliver4979]

Are you guys going to do a video showing the different options for the first generation Toyota Sequoia?

[@chadderr5998]

I know you touched on this point, but why are you not a fan of using OME 885 on the front 5100’s? I’m only looking for 1-1.5” and I have heard re-using the OEM springs was a bad idea.

[@spencerfelt2093]

I run 5100s paired with OME 885s. For my 2006 v6 4runner with 4wd. They run very stiff. You’re going to want at least 80 lbs if added weight on the front if you don’t want it to be stiff af.

[@briancharman2710]

Great explanation of the different products.

[@timmyadam3542]

Everywhere seems to suggest ome springs on 5100s. You say no to that, could u explain further.. factory replacement shock, similar spring rate spring seems like a go. I'd like 5100s and 885s for my taco

[@ramzizaz]

Great video comparison! Can you please explain to people that a lift only adds clearance for larger tires when not offroad. For clearance off-road, the lift does not matter since the tire should be articulating thought it's full travel range unless different bump stops are used or limiting straps.

[@ams5339]

Great video.I definitely learned a lot. My question for your next video: what kind of a lift system I should get for my current stock 4Runner TRD offroad with DFG Offroad drawer system and 75 Lit. fridge, if I want to maintain the street ride quality, but also have a capable off-roader in wahboard and low-moderate trails without any rock crawling. BTW, living in Southern California. Thanks

[@techsocial626]

For everyone who has or had 5160’s, what’s your experience been like with them? A few years ago, I had a reputable garage discourage them because they leaked.

[@stacksmasher]

I have been thrashing on mine all Summer and they held up to I would say they are good!

[@Joe-np8vk]

Have a set paired with 6112’s and they have been great. 2 years and many trials

[@topsecretmx5142]

I just sold my Tacoma that had 30k miles on a set no leaks.

[@ShockSurplus]

there was grumbling a while ago with the 5160s because they would leak from the reservoir hose fitting, that's since been cleaned up and addressed by Bilstein

[@RuNutty]

3rd Gen 4Runner with 4600’s! The best replacement over OEM if your not doing anything crazy!

[@Soda_x_Pop]

Great series. I’m looking to upgrade my truck parts

[@project_poor_runner]

Team Dobinson’s IMS here!

[@kenpen21]

Great video. Very informative!

[@tomedmondson5236]

I’m going to add a snow plow on my ‘06 Toyota tundra. It has a 3” difference from rear to front and I was considering a level kit before we needed the plow. Should I consider changing out the springs if I change out shocks and a level kit?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

Yes, I would do springs instead of spacers.

[@hiklerzambrano4203]

So for 5100 what spring coils I can use if said don’t mix with OME coils spring ? Advise please thank you great video very informative

[@timrepairs]

Where are the other videos ??? I checked your whole yt page on the higher performance shocks and did not find it .

[@mikeholbert1958]

Great video!

[@thewadeoutdoors]

I really enjoyed this video and looking forward to learn more about Icon. I’ve always wanted a stage 1 icon lift and I finally got it. The only problem is, now that I have a little more knowledge after today, I don’t know if my setup is overkill for what I do or if I need to go up a couple stages. So I’m ready to take notes! 😅

[@ShockSurplus]

If you dont know that you'll need a beefy 2.5 race shock, then you probably dont. Lots of stellar 2.0 options like Eibach Protruck, the Bilstein 6112, Fox 2.0 - all of which can take a beating offroad if that's your style.

[@AZOverland2017]

Dropping some great knowledge here!

[@TheBEAST-ej7oo]

Amazing video, for a 4runner 4th gen to have just 2” front and 1” or 1.5” in rear and have a comfort ride without adding weight or off-road, which one would be a good choice?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

I would go for a Bilstein kit.

[@TheBEAST-ej7oo]

@@Runnin4Tacos thanks bro just what I was thinking, just to be on the same page that would be with OME front coil 2284 and rear 2895E or can be combined with a better one? Thanks!

[@spencerfelt2093]

@@TheBEAST-ej7ooI’m currently running 5100s with 885s up front with 896s in the rear. I’m going to change it up for your setup. Just thought I’d say that. This was with added weight of 100 lbs up front and 200 in the rear. I’m going back to stock weight

[@TheBEAST-ej7oo]

@@spencerfelt2093amazing bro hope it will suits you better

[@alexi7995]

Will you be discussing the Dobinsons IMS in the mid-tier vid?

[@zmartnz4512]

As someone who is starting out this video id very informative! What model is the icon shocks in the video?

[@zztuber]

Im getting wheel hop with my 2021 tundra.. if i hit a series of bumps at 50 mph & over i can easily lose control. what shock will keep my tires on the road

[@ShockSurplus]

01:42 - BIL-STINE 😅

[@ramoncaraballo4655]

I have a 2007 chevy colorado - 2.9 eng. small pickup truck ( standard truck). What type of shack should I use in my truck- 4600 or 5600 - Bilstein.

[@Home-n9b]

what shocks would a 2023 tacoma TRD off road have, any of these?

[@PatrickRich]

Im interested in this comparison. I've had TJM and I am currently Running ICON VS 2.0 on my 80 series...and I've gotta be honest, I have had nothing but trouble with my ICONS. I had them rebuilt once and have had 6 rear shocks on the back in 2 years trying to solve leaking issues.

[@ShockSurplus]

ouch! yeah that's rough, especially on a 2.0!

[@victoryengineer]

Several good options there but why no mention of the Eibach systems? My 4Runner has the Pro Truck 2R and it's a really good system that suits my needs. I've had others on my 4Runners and so far I prefer the Eibach the most.

[@Runnin4Tacos]

We actually think that kit is good as well. At the time, I am not sure if the Pro kit were available yet. I will actually put that on the list for another video. Thank you for bringing that up!

[@702cooks13]

Nice reviews, leaning towards the Locked brand or Eibach stage 2 for my 5gen. Hopefully you will have the Eibach on the next vid, wanna hear your thoughts on those

[@ShockSurplus]

As someone who's ran Bilstein, Fox, Eibach, OME on the same vehicle. Eibach sits between Bilstein and Fox in terms of comfort and handling.

[@dmitryadamenko6518]

Running Eibach stage 2 (lifted front 2 and rear 2.5 inches) on gx470 for more than a year now. Enjoying forest roads, but on longer trips over wavy asphalt it can make my sea sick

[@The_dark_yota]

I’ve been on locked for over 2 years and loved them. Doing full long travel with their stuff now. Also had plenty of people switch from big names like icon and kings to locked they have preferred their locked kits more. Message me on ig if you have any questions.

[@zman783]

Some companies sell the 5100s with OME springs installed. That’s weird

[@jefferylorance7988]

Great video ..very good information…

[@faster73357]

If I have a two inch level kit installed on my sierra can I leave the Bilstein front shock set to zero and leave the level kit in.

[@Sabale-dw5fd]

Installing a bumper with a winch and 35s what do you guys recommend? Thinking the old man emu with heavy duty 750 springs . What do you think ? For a tundra btw thanks 🙏

[@zjw5]

I bought bilstein 4600s for my 03 Sequoia 4x4 and the old springs don't fit on the bottom hat. Now I have no idea what to do. Do I send these back or how do I find springs that will fit without lifting it?

[@mikehamm3570]

Can't wait for the next 2! What about the rough country vertex ( I know they are rough country) but they are adjustable with remote resi seem okish can't really find to much about them.

[@electricstartclint]

Chinese junk.

[@markamparan7918]

I run rough country and love them for the price. Not rock crawling. A good starter shock in my opinion.

[@davesantimaw5413]

What are your thoughts on Toytec?

[@henrent]

Did Hugo used to work at Toytec? I think I spoke with him there a few years ago.

[@Runnin4Tacos]

Yes he did lol

[@amboytruckerusa9714]

Just got 2023 toyota 4runner and i want to upgrade to use on road and offroad?thanks

[@GreatSax1]

Don't you need a bypass chip or something for the GX470?

[@renaldferguson7788]

hello /i need to macth up shocks and springs for my Audi 2008 allroad quattro a6 station wagon .700 pounds per square inch or there abouts a nd a better psi shocks for loads front and rare recomdations urgent .im replacing air suspenion

[@aaronwoods961]

So for a second gen Tundra you would not recommend running an old emu shock with a 5100 Bilstein?

[@TheCajunGaijin]

Are y'all still going to make the other two videos on the mid tier or high tier shocks?

[@jasonhigginbotham5318]

I had the same question what about non entry level something that can take some hard abuse

[@rupertgumban9251]

What about Eibach? Thanks

[@jeffreybateham9527]

Concerning the dobisons shock... does using these on a 2002 4rnr mean I can get rid of the coils up front? Or am I still putting these inside the coil

[@TundraBreaks]

Can Hugo speak about Rough Country?

[@Do-UR-Research2749]

Where would you place the Tacomas TRD Pro FOX shocks on your list?

[@sumovanchy7173]

I know this video is a couple month old with the 3 an 2 or 2 an 1 lift will you have to do any other mechanical work for vibration or anything like that ? 21 Tacoma besides replacing the UCA

[@Runnin4Tacos]

When you go higher than 2 inches, We recommend you do aftermarket UCA's as well for better alignment and geometry of the truck.

[@bigsmoke279]

I’m interested in getting the Bilstein 5100s or the Eibach pro kit stage 1. Do we need to add an add a leaf to the back or a block? What is the pro and con of adding it to the back? Is it to keep the rake or to level it out once we lift the front?

[@Runnin4Tacos]

When doing a lift kit on a Tacoma, I highly recommend doing an add-a-leaf or even a full-leaf pack. If you plan on adding weight like bumpers, racks, RTT etc... I would definely do a full leaf pack to accommodate the weight.

[@bigsmoke279]

@@Runnin4Tacos thanks! I’ll pick up and add a leaf just in case I ever add extra weight

[@aznmi3n6481]

So I bought the 5100, with spring 2-3” lift. So you telling me I have to compress the spring and and move it up to the top to get a 3” lift? So I be losing the ride Quality?

[@Naganooch10]

I have a 22' TRD Off Road 4 Runner and I'm interested in lifting it ~ 2.75" front and ~1" rear but Toyota stated that I'd have issues with the sensors and that I would need them re-calibrated or disabled. I've looked at some forums and it is hit-and-miss with the issues so I'm wondering if you guys advise against lifting my 4 Runner? The main reason I'd like to lift it is because I'm not a fan of the "plush" suspension and nose diving when I've had to brake hard so I figured that if I'm changing the springs then I might as well lift it while it's on the rack. Comments, concerns, complaints?

[@TedEischeid1960]

You’ll just need a “zero point calibration “ done after you lift. Google it, it’s something you can do yourself with a paper clip. I have a 2015 4Runner Trail with Bilstein 5100s, 2”Icon lift springs on back, and OME 2884 2” lift springs on front.

[@grohu]

what do you thing about Tough Dog suspension with regulation?

[@ahmadabdullah5940]

Hey Guys, What about Dobinsons IMS for GX460 ?

[@pennmikael]

How’s the eibach pro truck? Also can you have 0” lift with Ironman FCP?

[@RealeaD]

Will 2 inch lift in the front and 1 inch in the rear require longer sway bar links? Can't find definitive info. Shock guides and videos are not talking about it. thanks

[@Runnin4Tacos]

You will not need longer sway bar links.

[@HO-be9fy]

hi, which shock observers you recommend for Ford Explorer 2015? from FOX or any other 3rd party.

[@rosebowboutique4184]

Where are you guys located?

[@TheDesertRat31]

Why is the first one (stock) not a coil-over? It is not integral to the wheel attachment to the frame. Struts suspend the vehicle AND attach the wheels to the vehicle.

[@Runnin4Tacos]

The first one is a Bilstein shock with a bigger diameter. You will reuse the factory spring for that setup.

[@TheDesertRat31]

@R4T right, but it's still a coil over because it doesn't play a role in attaching the wheel to the frame. It's only suspension. A strut is suspension and an attachment for the wheel to the frame, such as a McPherson strut, which attaches to the steering knuckle.

[@Runnin4Tacos]

@@TheDesertRat31 Yes, It is basically a "coilover" but any spring within a shock is a coilover. We are referrring to an "adjustable coilover" or "Non adjustable coilover"

[@RomanRaider]

Couldn’t find the video about the next level of shocks, can someone share the link please?

[@project_poor_runner]

16:52 Is everyone okay? 😂

[@jameshayes8825]

I use Ironman 4x4 stage 1 nitro gas kit + IM 4x4 UCAs, thoughts ?

[@MrSeafoo]

If you get 2.5 inch lift on Bilstein 5100s with stock springs, why do so many ppl switch to 5100s + OME 2887 or 2888? Good video, perfect timing as I'm trying to decide.

[@Joe-np8vk]

They use diff springs because they are longer and you get lift without raising the perch setting

[@TedEischeid1960]

With the stock springs you need a raised circlip on the 5100s which preloads your spring, impacting travel. With 5100 + OME you do not use a raised circlip, the spring does the lifting without preload, maintaining full suspension travel and ride.

[@ivan199120]

⁠@@TedEischeid1960for a 3rd gen Tacoma Bilstein advertises a lift of 0-2”. I’m assuming that’s based on the stock coil spring limits? So if I wanted a 2.5 lift do I add a coil spring thats 2.5” and pair it with the Bilstein set on the 0 setting circlip?

[@Jinxo01]

did the mid tier vid ever come out ?

[@stevesimmons4384]

So I know nothing about shocks . I have a 2007 FJ and I want a smooth ride . I’m running bigger tires but no lift and want street and highway smoothest ride . What should I get ? Never off road .

[@charlesburdette7497]

Hey looking for a 1 to 2 in lift on the back 2014 Tacoma already put 2 in on the front handle wait what would you recommend

[@Runnin4Tacos]

For the rear of the Tacoma, you will need to do a leaf pack as well, especially if you are needing it for weight. It depends how much weight, You can do an add-a-leaf or a full leaf pack upgrade.