Overlanding For Beginners: Suspension & Lift Kits - DON'T GET THIS WRONG & become an Off-road fail

[@OutdoorAuto]

IF THIS WAS HELPFUL CHECKOUT OUR OTHER VIDEO ON WHEELS & TIRES - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i17CpWuGbc6Kf9U

[@MrHighdro21]

Question do I really need to regear my 07 tacoma 4x4 with 285/75/16? I dont crawl maybe minor if anything and moderate off-roading and trails nothing extreme.?

[@OutdoorAuto]

@@MrHighdro21 So basically that is a 33" tire... I don't think you NEED to re-gear for 33's. That's not to say that you wouldn't see some slight performance improvements but you are definitely below the threshold of having to re-gear. I'm in the same spot on the Tundra... obviously it has a bigger engine and is made for towing... so it pushes 35's fine... I could re-gear... but i wont until I go to 37's. Your cut off is probably if you ever went any bigger at all...

[@MrHighdro21]

Cool cool. Thanks for the input. Been hearing alot online about trucks struggling and more stress on tranny ect so ive stayed at 265 which looks skimpy but work good

[@westonwallace3715]

I just wanted to say I was wanting to lift of 4th gen 4runner and was looking for info everywhere for days and your video gave me the chunk of knowledge I needed to start looking at what I really need!!!! Your videos are awesome definitely recommending

[@AhmadAlAjeel]

How many HP do you need to overland or offroad? Is it HP or torque? Is 300 hp enough?

[@jasondewey6555]

best overlanding comment EVER: "spend the money on going places...good food..with good people.". Thanks so much for the honesty and real-world approach. Subscribed!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks... that is the goal... spend good time, with good people.

[@T25de]

You don’t need to buy all the gear in the magazine to go camping.

[@FranciscoHugoGarcia]

Been there done that. This guy is honest and everything on point.

[@OutdoorAuto]

wow... thanks. I am trying to be honest and helpful. Hopefully people get that.

[@djw5415]

Who here wants to throw up when they see a 6in lifted truck with massive 22in deep dish wheels?

[@OutdoorAuto]

The reality is they are paying good money to play a different game... if that’s what makes you happy go for it... but that is a form over function game and I don’t play that game.

[@originalname9999]

@@OutdoorAuto I wish more people would have that mindset. I shake my head when I see it, sometimes laugh a little, but hey, it makes them happy. Their money, their enjoyment. I will never talk down on someone on the internet that did some crazy suspension and tire combo that doesn't suit my lifestyle. If someone wants to slam a 1st gen 4runner and they did it right, hell yeah. If someone wants to lift a Tacoma to the sky with 1 inch of rubber on the rims, if it's done right, hell yeah. Someone does a huge spacer lift... I might say something encouraging them to do it right.

[@OutdoorAuto]

@@originalname9999 Yeah, I agree. To each their own. With this channel I am just trying to use it to save people money... no matter how much money you have for a build... there are pitfalls to avoid that waste time and money. It really can be so confusing now days... so many options and of course all of them say they are good and somewhere there will be a forum post that says its amazing... I guess maybe I am dumb enough to think that bring the conversation back to the fundamentals will hopefully help people.

[@kyleolin3566]

I used to talk down those trucks, then I thought, at least that truck is being taken care of so I can have a clean platform to build off of in a few years. I’m all about function over form so I don’t fully understand, but whatever floats their boat.

[@feetincheseighths]

I call them roller skate trucks. my son and i always get a laugh out of them.

[@Bassist10288]

I’ve watched 100 overland videos and this was the most useful 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@OutdoorAuto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@PS987654321PS]

This guy is the best on KZbin for a great understanding of overlanding stuff.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Appreciate the support... I am working on a bunch of new informative overland videos right now... should se them coming out over the next couple weeks.

[@BigDThatsMe]

Great video. Someone who understands and gets it. Something else people don't get is payload capacity. I have seen a lot of "overlanders" that by the time they add racks, tents, rotopax, passengers, supplies and all that jazz, they are either maxed out, or way over. You have to think about what you are doing, and then do it right. Remember, just because a vehicle does it, doesn't mean it's doing it right. Subscribed.

[@OutdoorAuto]

I talk a lot about weight... as a guy that can use just about any gear I want, I still find myself trying to slim down my kit and simplify as much as possible to keep the weight down... it isn't any fun to Wheel a Heavy truck/Overloaded truck. Payload is huge...

[@woffordsoverlandjourneys8618]

Finally someone who actually knows what they're talking about when it comes to overland builds

[@davemc8598]

Probably one of the most useful videos I’ve watched since getting my truck.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Awesome, glad it was helpful. We have a whole run of new videos coming… starting this week.

[@ScaleofTwo]

From someone who’s just learning about all this, this was very helpful. Thanks!

[@nickmcdvtt]

Dude, you share some really solid insight in this video. It’s no nonsense and these are points that most people don’t think about. You are absolutely right. People get enamored with overbuilt trucks and this video politely points out what is superfluous and is just super practical. I love it.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks… hey next time you’re in Idaho we should meet up.

[@nickmcdvtt]

@@OutdoorAuto Absolutely, that would be awesome.

[@SuperReviews4you]

For my Tacoma I did a month of research into the best lift kit for my needs. At 1st I wanted the whole fox/kings 3 inch lift race setup and spend about 5,000. After looking at the forums and what im really going to be doing with the vehicle I went with a more modest suspension lift kit that I can use my stock UCAs on and spend more money on things I really needed to complete the build. I went with the Bilstein 6112, 5160 suspension setup for about 1100, rooftop tent 1000, wheels 1000, tires 1200, leaf springs 600, bed rooftop tent rack 400. I spent about what I would have on my whole build over what just that lift kit would have cost me.

[@OutdoorAuto]

This is a really good write up... You could actually do a great video/walk around that would be great for a lot of peoples needs... Overkill suspension for your needs vs a complete overland build. Pretty cool.

[@andreibucur710]

I would love to see finished pics of your build. Yours sounds exactly like what I would love to have. I'd love to be able to go offroad and explore, but I'm not about to drop $$$ for a crazy rock crawler. I just want to take my family in the great outdoors without banging up my daily driver. Do you have an instagram account people can follow?

[@grubstep]

What leaf springs did you end up going with?

[@dpeagles]

Nathan. Using your videos I upgraded my 2017 Tundra to the Bilstein 6112s up front 2 1/2" lift, 5100s in the rear with 1" rear lift. It rides and drives better than before if you ask me. I was able to sell the old coils and shocks to recoup some money. You videos gave me the knowledge to move forward.

[@michaelpellegrino3220]

This was super informative. Just got a 20 Tacoma 4wd DCLB that I want to set up for truck camping off-grid. 3" total lift is what I was thinking and you absolutely confirmed this. OME shocks was also on my radar with an AAL. Nice to hear from an expert that I'm on the right track. Appreciate it!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Interbeing_CDN]

Thank you for your informative vlog, I recently purchased a used TRD Pro Fox suspension to replace the OEM shocks on my TRD Off-Road (28k, $550). Many people laughed at me and told me I would regret buying it as it was non adjustable and a poor system to do a lift. I spent a lot of time researching and was honest with what type of driving I do and felt that the suspension would be a great upgrade as most of my off road is unmaintained ranch roads, forestry trails, and mild two tracks and I really didn't feel I needed a big lift. I have skids and sliders on 265/75 16's with high clearance bumpers. I am planning on installing a AAD, which will give me a back a little rake, and work with the extra weight I carry when loaded with gear. So far I felt I made a good decision, and after listening to this vlog, I even feel better about my decision.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Sounds like a great setup... sliders and skids aren't utilized enough in my opinion... Yes I could lift my truck 3 more inches and I would rarely hit them... but that is what they are there for... I slide around on my rock sliders ALL the time... they do the job... protect the truck and help keep my nice on low to the ground.

[@bachnok]

Great vid. I’ve lifted lots of Toyota’s and having people watch this video before they come in would save me a lot of time educating. My only thing I disagreed with is that if you’re lifting a Toyota for off-road use just suck it up and buy good UCAs. I’ve had too many Toyota’s come in on the hook because an upper ball joint let go. That ball joint is designed to be neutral at stock ride height. When you lift it you are operating outside neutral… at full droop you are pulling on it as if someone was trying to pop your hip joint out of socket. Don’t cheap out. Just do it right.

[@beardedtacoma]

I'm building an overland Tacoma and this video is so awesome. Thanks

[@OutdoorAuto]

Good luck with your build.

[@Worthrhetime]

The most common sense, well articulated, informative, Helpful vid I’ve ever seen. Thank you

[@coleshepherd8435]

Really appreciate this video. I’ve been doing some research on overlanding builds for my Tacoma for a little while, and this was easily the most helpful video I’ve come across. Explained everything throughly and gives great insight on what direction(s) people can take.

[@bender4077]

Went to check out the OME kit quoted here for 2k....over $4k now. If we could only go back 3 years and horde all these kits for now!

[@spartan8390]

THANK YOU! I am in my planning phase and have been looking for rebuildable shocks. I'm all for "buy once, cry once" when it comes to vehicles. My plan is a "prepared build" instead of the "over-kill build." I've seen too many people build a "SEMA truck," break the bank in the process, and destroy their vehicle. Something I have yet to hear anyone talk about is experience in off-roading. I think the lack of knowing what to do off-road is responsible for 90% of the bad things that happen.

[@OutdoorAuto]

You hit on a lot of important points here. I think Seat time, behind your own rig is a HUGE deal... understanding what it can do easily and what will be a strain... How to use power and momentum appropriately... like you said... a lot comes down to experience not upgrades.

[@explorerdadsocal8047]

Most informative video i have yet to come across….i want my taco overlanding and people are telling me to do all these crazy things to it that im sure ill regret in the future…. Thank you sir!!!

[@OutdoorAuto]

We run stock Tacomas all the time in 100's of miles in Baja... it is a great and capable platform.

[@nonope1774]

I've found that the airbags that fit inside the coil springs in the back of an SUV can be very helpful for overlanding. They stablize the load well, and don't hinder travel much at all if run at medium psi.

[@b2ridez279]

Knowing progressive (fox, king) vs digressive (icon) suspension setup is a good thing to understand for peoples application as well.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Great point... I may have to do a short video just on this.

[@JustinKing01]

This video cleared up a lot and now I know which direction to go with my 07 FJ cruiser, thanks!

[@OutdoorAuto]

So glad it was helpful - BTW If you have ever had questions on offroad/overland Jacks... check out the new video that just went live.

[@shaunremington1809]

Don’t normally comment. I feel compelled to say I appreciate common sense reasoning for budgeting a kit designed for usage. I’ve stayed patient to do my due diligence for budgeting quality product per usage. This video spelled a lot of for myself as a beginner and I thank you for that.

[@treverroll3075]

I like your cadence and you’re easy to listen to, I’d cut the music out honestly. Thanks for the info

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@ryanm2084]

I don't mind the music. It's at a good volume and I honestly didn't notice and I was focused on what you were saying. Any louder and it wouldn't work

[@DK-jh8fc]

I just bought my new 2020 TRD Tacoma, called Anthony at Toy Tec explained to him my tent, rack, gear ect, they walked me through all the options and set me up perfectly, exactly how you explained it, get a plan FIRST and figure out what you are actually going to be doing. Awesome video

[@OutdoorAuto]

Awesome... Toytec is awesome. They have no idea who I am but I send them so much business just because they are good people and don't seem to try and oversell people.

[@officialyasir]

D K68 what did you end up going with?

[@DK-jh8fc]

@@officialyasir I went with the Boss 2.0 coil overs with new SPC upper control arms, in the rear i went with the aluma IFP shocks and the add a leaf. It was about 2k all together.

[@TANKYPOO]

Easily one of the best videos I’ve come across. Informative, educational, honest. Love it. Thank you.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks for watching... so glad it was helpful.

[@jtchristiank1]

I don't even "overland" and I found this super interesting and smart. Thanks.

[@brohammer]

Also keep in mind when you get 35s you may not be able to keep the stock spare tire location and have to take up space or spend a ton on a new mount location.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Oh Yes... so true. This is why having a plan is so key.

[@z3lot]

You can but you need to cut or hammer the tabs for 35s.

[@yotaman492]

So true, the Rigd UltraSwing will be one of my next purchases for my 4Runner.

[@redelbe1]

Hello good Sir! I'll be honest here: I'm almost in tears when finished watching your video; For years and years I've been watching and reading about suspension for the build that my wife and I wish to start building and in all videos, all I've found was the same approach "oh! look what I got for my truck a 3" dick and will hang from here to here, oh! look at this brand new set up of balls for my truck" just dumb and macho show off people bragging about expensive gear but without having a clue that they could hurt the public that is in need of good and down to earth info to do a really good build without spending all of their savings or getting into big numbers in the credit cards. There's no enough word to thank you, for your honest-down2earth and concise opinion about what we actually need and look for in order to get the actual parts to do a "perfect" build without overkilling the build. Have safe travels and always good days to enjoy the outdoors, you have earned a new subscriber, looking forward to more vids! THANK YOU!

[@scoobysid04]

😂 you sound like a hater 😂

[@FZ1YamaSeca]

Thanks for the great content. I am new to overlanding and off-roading and learning a lot from just watching a few of your videos. Good luck on the channel and keep it coming!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks... Just dropped a new video on Overlanding storage... hopefully that one is helpful too.

[@SPQR_Spectre]

I’m about as green as they come and I’ll admit it. I needed down to earth no nonsense info and here it was. I have a diesel E350 and just bought a diesel 2004 Excursion. I’m no newb to the outdoors BUT I am when it comes to overlanders and building them. I’m just now beginning my journey on this new chapter of my life where I want to enjoy the outside more, away from the rat race and have to balance out how I make it happen. I’m looking forward to watching your other vids. Thanks for the quality content and keep up the great, honest work. Kudos from VA Bch. 👍

[@OutdoorAuto]

If you run into questions about the E350 and Excursion check out the Facebook page Full-Size Overland... there are a lot more pros on there that know a lot more about those platforms than I do. - facebook.com/groups/fullsizeoverland

[@SPQR_Spectre]

@@OutdoorAuto Thank you for the additional advice and info! Much appreciated.

[@PureCountryof91]

This is actually why all I did to my ranger was 31" tires. I have decent clearance even now that it's v8 swapped

[@roudydog3063]

Spot on, The Manufacturers actually do know what there doing. If your chopping up your 50k Vehicle and not improving the factory quality your wasting your money

[@chrisj9849]

Thanks for the tips! I have a 3" lift with the stock suspension on my Tacoma, and I've been impressed w what it can do.

[@scoobysid04]

@GrmpaJAyou can lift them no problem, but once you get on a trail you may have problems.

[@srgaza1961]

These shocks absorbers like BP51 are so adjustable , that you need to adjust in every single type of terrain or driving condition, and to adjust them you first has to drive in those condittions and take note of the settings in order to change them when you need it, then go with a wrench to adjust them at the four corners and in the case of the rear axle, lying under the car to make the settings. I think is better a compromise suspension until the makers design a system controled at the cockpit. On the other hand, all your thougts and advices are useful. Congrats....

[@cheeseburgerwithnocheese5348]

If you lift your 4WD and it has solid axles you only increase the approach angle the only what to increase your clearance (diff to ground) is by increasing the wheel/tire size.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Tires will always be the "truest" form of lift for sure.

[@yotaman492]

Great video! Have to do your research and have a plan. Took me a couple months of my own research and talking to off road shops in the off-road/overlanding community before deciding on what I wanted on my '19 4Runner. Couldn't be happier with the rig no. That was phase 1, now on to the rest of the build. Radflo 2" Front coilovers Icon Delta Tubular UCAs Radflo 2" rear shocks Toytec 650 lb rear springs 4.88 Yukon gears front/rear diffs Method 701s Toyo OC AT3 285/75R17 LFD skid plates Suspension components sourced from Apex Overland & gears from East Coast Gear Supply. Great companies!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Good luck with the build. I do love 4runners. For the other in here looking through the comments do you mind sharing what you decided to go with... might help someone out?

[@johnnumbat9782]

Hey Nathan - a well presented and informed real life tutorial - glad you discovered some great outback trekking gear designed here in Australia. The Canning Stock route is my next trip once we get to Covid free travel - After many years of running nine Subarus I have acquired a stock 2010 Hilux Diesel auto with plans to setup for outback touring - thanks for excellent advice - John in South Australia.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Good luck with the Hilux build... I wish we had good diesel options over here.

[@T25de]

Australia 🇦🇺 “once you’re free” I certainly hope you get there. AU is fucking batshit crazy with covid lockdown.

[@johnnumbat9782]

@@T25de yes it’s crazy here where states are blocking others at the borders assuming that zero Covid cases is the only option for freedom 😒

[@T25de]

@@johnnumbat9782 Such a bummer! It’s like a crazy nightmare and B movie plot come to life I hope Aussie people take their country back from the insane asylum.

[@MrJamesLuz]

Pro tip that worked for me: when I did a camping / hunting build on my 1995 Ram, I bought 5 inch lift leaf springs and took out the bottom overload (completely flat) spring. Combined with a zero rate leaf (block bolted into the pack) I was able to ditch the factory block and had a factory rake with 3 inch springs up front. (Rear lift was 4 inch over stock) with some good bilstein shocks and timbren springs in place of the bump stops, it was the best riding solid axle f/r truck I’ve ever owned. Another bonus of my suspension setup was no wheel hop because even with the rear locker and 35’s the axle had less leverage on the springs.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Wow... interesting. That is a pretty cool setup for a big truck.

[@cpwned]

I love the honesty of this video. Thanks!!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks you for watching and the feedback... an honest look at all this stuff is definitely what we are going for. More videos coming soon.

[@woodwardsimes1864]

Today before seeing this, my 111K miles on my 1997 Land Cruser 80 I canceled OME 2.5 " Lift Kit I am glad that I saved $2,500 Went with just replacing shoocks with Bilstein 4600

[@M.WinklerProductions]

this is a great video. I'm doing a small lift on my subaru just to get to my Tree stand for deer season.

[@seanstenberg1559]

Thank you for the simple, but necessary facts! And your no BS advice. I’m glad I came across your channel earlier than later. Again, Thank You!

[@Warri0rs5tate0fmind]

This was so helpful, thank you! New to this game!!

[@Jomon]

Wish this video was around when I was picking my suspension. Good info for anyone getting in to this hobby!

[@OutdoorAuto]

Sorry I wasn't faster 😞 ... hopefully you ended up with something that is working for you.

[@Jomon]

@@OutdoorAuto OME springs and bilstein shocks. Not bad, but I wish I had gotten the BP-51s, even before I saw your video!

[@Queensizemusic]

Even the base OME Kit is fantastic.

[@OutdoorAuto]

My buddy has run their base kits for years on his FJ... and it has been to Panama and back mostly on Dirt roads... I really do like their stuff.

[@overlandvoyager2780]

I love my OME coilovers they are 2.5" which are great for overlanding.

[@OutdoorAuto]

OME makes great stuff... I have run a lot of their suspension over the years.

[@OutdoorAuto]

If you have questions feel free to leave a comment and we will try and get back to you. More build component videos coming soon... make sure to subscribe to get notified when they come out.

[@robertmcghee1463]

Any Advise on a 2010 tahoe suspension. Looking for a more leveled look, but want to be able to run the “jeep trails” on the farm, and still be able to tow the boat, and enjoy a comfortable drive on road where I spend most of my time. Any advise helps

[@xXJeepsXx]

Great videos man! I was wondering, what size tires do you run?

[@OutdoorAuto]

@@xXJeepsXx I run 35's on the Tundra. I have a full vehicle walk through video here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKWtZmmnq6iZorc

[@OutdoorAuto]

@@robertmcghee1463 I have to say I have never worked with a Tahoe... the main thing to avoid would be the non-suspension leveling solutions. those make your ride trash. You will also need to verfy anything you add will play nice with Towing... I would hit the forums... every truck, SUV generally has a forum out there and see what is popular... then I would verify with the Manufacturer that it fits your full set of needs.

[@xXJeepsXx]

@@OutdoorAuto how do you feel about 37s in the tundra? Most people say it’s to much work, some say it’s not hard at all. Like to get your input. I’m trying to decide how to move forward with on my tundra. Set up for 35” or plan out for 37”(depending on cost) like to here

[@njcdailo8934]

I got two additional leaf springs on each side of my taco. After last year we were out on trip for 1.5 months. I saw a bit of a sag sometimes w my bed rack, rtt and loaded w camp gear. Prob solved to the budget that was good for me.

[@kingdomoverlanding]

Some really great points!! Just filmed on this topic as well this weekend haha I liked the "Make sure your Upgrades , Upgrades your vehicle "

[@OutdoorAuto]

Seems obvious... but you get what I’m saying. Ppl keep doing awful things to these trucks.

[@fasgamboa]

Nice, I always found funny and sketchy when I saw those trucks extra lifted but with that big metal bar hanging low 😅

[@___asd159gh43]

1. have a plan 2. pick a better suspension system than factory 3. avoid spacers and leveling kits 4. keep your lift as low as you need for the terrain you explore 5. follow the rules (dont cut corners)

[@xc_4x4]

Number 4 has me really intrigued….I’ve been seriously thinking this over and common sense tells me why you would say that but do you mind explaining the reasoning behind it?

[@___asd159gh43]

@xc_niner615 those are what the video covers in that order

[@jxmai7687]

i don't have a 4X4 but still watch this, good man.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thanks for watching I really appreciate it

[@Millirawk]

Psa for any tundra owners out there, 2.5" front lift with bilstien 6112 and fit 35s no trimming needed or BMC at all. Toyo OC AT3 285/75R18

[@OutdoorAuto]

On the truck walk around I cover that 35's fit on Tundras without chopping.... for some reason there is a lot of confusion about this out there.

[@Millirawk]

@@OutdoorAuto ah didn't catch that. But there definitely is a lot of conflicting info on this out there!

[@tommyadkisn]

I have a 2007 tundra crewmax with bilstein 5100 on the top setting giving me a little over 2" lift...is there any guide out there telling me max tire size? all the tire shops tell me 33" yet many say 34 or even 35" how do I figure this out before purchase?? Also, if I increase offset can I increase the width tire allowed? Thanks a ton for your help, striking out to baja on January one and want to get it right the first time!

[@joshmc8814]

I love the people doing huge tires on a brand new truck. I get to buy their brand new rims and tires for half price on Craigslist! I love your honesty on people overbuilding their rigs. New stock trucks have more capability than most people's driving skills. 9/10 builds are just for looks.

[@OutdoorAuto]

You are not wrong :)

[@SOLDADITO76]

The only thing I regret about starting my build, is now being to broke to finish my build. So what a lot of people do when they get lifted springs, they don’t think of the location of the spring shackles. The shackle hanger needs to be relocated to carry weight. It’s pronounced eem-you.

[@OutdoorAuto]

If I ever do a video with Old Man EMU stuff again I will get it right. Good luck with your build.

[@johnyhansen1362]

on a second thought Ill stick with my Bilstein 5100 on all 4 corner since I have a Decked drawer system , canopy with rhino platforms on top . Works like a charm ...no need for Old Emu ...over kill !

[@OutdoorAuto]

It’s all about what works for your use case... Bilstein 5100’s are great shocks... if that works, stick with it and save your money for more days off! 👍

[@alexorcas1]

Great video! I wish I had seen this before I upgraded my suspension in September. haha. I wouldn't have upgraded my UCA's, but would have gone for the remote reservoir ICON shocks instead of the regular coilovers. Live and learn I guess! Keep up the great content dude! Maybe see you on the trails someday.

[@gordonwinn1973]

How do you feel about your icon choice? I have been looking at the icon stage 2 and keep going back and forth with different options. Thank you!

[@alexorcas1]

@@gordonwinn1973 they have done extremely well over the last 25k miles. Definitely more of a firm sports car feel on the road and far better stability off-road. Rides higher in the travel in slow off-road stuff which helps prevent hitting rocks from the suspension compressing too much. I really liked them. Only advice would be to check your clearances on the rear lower shock mounts at full droop as well as the anti-sway bar ends at full lock and droop.

[@Steve_Bonham]

Travel state parks on the weekends, like exploring dirt roads, pine barrens especially here in NJ. Thinkin bout old man emus heavy load 2 inch lift on my 2015 Tacoma sitting on 32s. Believe it should give me the capability without having to re-gear or worry about the geometry of things

[@OutdoorAuto]

I ran a similar setup on a 4Runner… it was awesome.

[@madcratebuilder]

Great advice, I would like to see a video on the pro's and con's of larger tires, ground clearance vs weight and drive train stress.

[@OutdoorAuto]

In the works

[@Axonn5]

I own a 14' Tundra CM and have Bilstein 5100 F/R on it (set the front to top set 2.28") and added the SPC UCA (one of my biggest mistakes I've ever made when after removing previous owners 3 inch rough country lift spacer but I have a better UCA in the long run and to late to sell it so wth, might as well keep it, spend to much $ already on it), added spidertrax 1.25" on it (because of my previous 275/65r20 tire rubbing the SPC UCA and rubbing the passenger side body mount area. I am currently still on my stock TSS rims and 275/60r20 KO2's), and still have the 1" dif drop + 1" block (from previous owner). Personally I've always loved the TSS rims but when going off roading I really rely on sidewall and even today looking at my trucks KO2's sidewall, its not so great. So I will have to buy a smaller rim either 17 or 18 most likely 17's. My current plans as of right now (3-4 yrs down the road, hence payment around that time will be done yet also tires will be worn out around those yrs timespan) are to save up and finish paying off my Tundra then most likely I'll change to 285/70r17 for more sidewall yet also to avoid doing a BMC/CMC, I know all about it but I really don't wanna deal and touch that area so I'd would rather buy new rims & tires than doing a BMC/CMC. When I saw those EMU shocks then clicked the link, my god there expensive for my budget and to much for me, I would rather stick with my Bilstein 5100's because I abuse them a lot when I go off roading and use them as daily driving as well as there really reliable and very at a minimum cost to buy new ones. They never let me down.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Dude Bilstein 5100's are awesome... not everyone needs a Desert Racing Shock. I like your plan. Definitely go for the 17" rims... I will be on those some day. They are tight, but fit on the Tundra.

[@shughes911]

Man great info! I see guys and girls in there new trucks with 20inch wheels and a 5 inch lift? It just looks silly and has no purpose other that looks! But if that what you are into go for it!

[@OutdoorAuto]

If people love making mall crawlers, by all means go for it if you have the money.... but for sure don't make the mistake in thinking a mall crawler is optimized for Overlanding...

[@dustinbovey7865]

Absolutely LOVE your channel brother! Do informative, straightforward, and honest. I’m wanting to do a HD build with a Ram 2500 here down the road, but also VERY new to all of this lol.

[@sam_s_]

The lack of ground clearance improvement with a diff drop is the same as with a solid axle.

[@OutdoorAuto]

True... I guess that is why at least for overlander style lifts... the truest lift is going to be your tires.

[@brandonshriver6448]

@@OutdoorAuto coming from the Jeep world (2 “XJ” models) I always looked at the only purpose of a lift was fitting bigger tires. Granted I did technical but relatively mild offroad trails, nothing at high speed, so suspension wasn’t a huge deal. Love the video, definitely on-point regarding keeping things as low as possible, something a lot of people seem to miss. I haven’t done much with my Ram yet, but with the Jeeps it was pretty remarkable what they would do bone-stock. I only got stuck twice, and both were due to insufficient tire.

[@littlewilly9272]

Yeah! The improved approach, break over and departure angles are pointless when you do the big lifts with the differential drop!🙄😂🤣 It’s all about being able to get your front differential over an obstacle, only to get the rear diff caught up right. Real trucks have solid axles. I have yet to see a lifted vehicle that can use a bigger tire without a 6”+ lift without bumper and fender mods. I totally agree with tucking the biggest tire with the least lift you can.

[@davemasbutter266]

Great video & this is why I got a Ford Raptor. Requires almost zero modifications

[@OutdoorAuto]

Raptors are pretty set straight off the lot for sure.

[@seand1989]

I love driving a low, long wheelbase, stable rig. Climbing the steepest climbs, and side hilling like a champ. But the horrible breakover angle will make some obstacles impassable, and is the price you pay for having a low stable rig. Knowing what you are driving, picking the right lines, skid plates, or full belly pan and momentum all help.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Agree with all of this... I have had to get through obstacles with just momentum before... that is definitely why armor matters... If you are going to wheel hard in a truck this big I would definitely get the gas skid... that seems to always be the area that gets hung up... and like you said... pick your lines and have a good spotter.

[@frase426]

Great explanation. Thank you

[@OutdoorAuto]

Awesome, hope it was helpful. We have a whole run of new videos coming… starting this week.

[@ericblaine1316]

Did what I did... paid for TRD off road package then dumped it.. 😂 Lesson learned.

[@ImSneakyy]

just got mine and looking into suspension lift kits. now realizing the same thing. at least we got TRD on our seats and badges lol

[@ericblaine1316]

@@ImSneakyy right 😂

[@onefastcyclist]

A fine video for independent front/solid axel rear overland trucks. And YES - OME makes fine components - I have their kit on my XJ. Solid axel front suspensions offer both more lift options and far better articulation which is why they are preferred by the rock crawling crowd. However, the advantages can realized even on moderate 4x4 trails.

[@jpow12]

HAHAHA holy shit I died laughing on the opening indecision warning

[@001dman]

my tacos got the fully built up icon mid travel Icon UCas and deaver leafs for a 2" lift.. amazing offroad).. my 05 tundra now, bilstein 5100s and camburg uppers with taco springs up front (no preoload, amazing ride), 2.2" lift with icon 3 leaf AAL. tundras more for towing but can go offroad enough.. all of these decisions were based off research (And trying them out in other vehicles if i could) cant be happier with both

[@OutdoorAuto]

Quality, low lift, suspensions... they are so awesome on the trails.

[@davidschlarp1606]

I don't understand why Toyota doesn't just have that clearance from the factory. They literally push Tacoma's and Tundra's as off-road vehicles but you can't put bigger tires on without doing a CMC

[@GolfdrillsNet2015]

Let's add a decent AT tire too!

[@MrSnoop1987]

Could not say this any better great job man overland builds equal no pavement queen builds.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Purpose built... on purpose :)

[@mattjames8320]

I’d have to disagree, a lot of times body lifts are the easiest way to fit bigger tires. And you should definitely consider it

[@OutdoorAuto]

I’m always up for ppl disagreeing... one thing with body lifts is most overlanders are running newer cars (-/+ 20 years)... so a body lift generally equals a lot of wiring work if it’s done right... the labor on newer cars, to do a body lift usually more than pays for a better suspension lift.

[@Will-fr5du]

@@OutdoorAuto ahhh, didnt know that, makes sense now. Cause i see a lot of body lifts on older vehicles like mine and never stopped to think why people dont do it to new cars.

[@pacificnorthwestfrontier]

Great advice. I have an ome lift on my Xterra. Bought a 22 frontier which will become an overland rig.

[@OutdoorAuto]

I love Xterra's... You can Titan swap the front end on those and fit 35's pretty easily and then they can take a beating.

[@pacificnorthwestfrontier]

@@OutdoorAuto for sure! I just ordered a 2.5" dobinson lift for the frontier 😁

[@MichaelKeelphotography]

This video was excellent. Eating my breakfast sandwich with coffee, and was looking at things I don't need necessarily. And with the suspension part, you just convinced me, solidified, leave my suspension alone, what I have already kicks ass. Focus on what kind of trips I do etc. Etc. Thank you. Now there's extra food in fridge for kiddos. LOL

[@OutdoorAuto]

Thank you for posting this. I think some people get the wrong idea that this video is trying to talk ppl into upgrades when really it is a fundamentals focused video. I really was serious at the end when I said sometimes you should just save your money and use it to get out there more with the people you care about.

[@MichaelKeelphotography]

@@OutdoorAuto I agree 100 percent with you. Basically with my 4runner set up, i have most everything in it, without a trailer. 2 purposes. Trips with family, and then trips alone on my travel photo assignments. It's like even when I was deciding on the awning. 8ftx6.5 vs 8x8. I'm actually glad I went with the smaller one because I'm more so alone on the longer trips, and there's an extra wall I can add to the awning that blocks the sun more etc. I only saved about 100 bucks, but that's an extra 100 I could use for extra food, longer trip with the family for a few more days and so on. Basically I can do more in the end. You've got great videos. Glad I came across them this morning. They make you step back and think. Because man... There are sooooo many cool new gadgets for overlanding, and it's very easy to get sucked in. LOL.

[@mcal9320]

Of course, if you want to drive around with a uber suspension system and never use it. Cool, you do you boo. Second cool and all that.

[@Hotspur37]

Who knew, automotive engineers that design cars trucks and all hte components actually know what they are doing. Great video

[@LiDARs]

Gonna start with new wheels, rack and clam.

[@OutdoorAuto]

That is great... I think one of the main points of this video is that people shouldn't rush into suspension. A lot of times what the truck came with will work just fine. Down the road once you get miles and trips with the Family under your belt you may change your mind... but first order of business is always just getting out there and having fun.

[@OutdoorAuto]

@Cory Casarez I totally agree... even though a lot of our videos are about gear... The actual point of the channel is for people to just get out, save some money... spend the money doing things with people you love... Have a plan.. and get only what you need... nothing else.

[@Lee35355]

Nathan Mueller I appreciate this attitude in this community. I purchased a 4Runner about a year ago with grand plans for high end suspension and huge tires and aftermarket front locker and... the list goes on. After getting out and using it stock, I’m shocked at how capable this thing is with a decent set of tires! I echo this attitude all the time! Get out and use your vehicle as it is right now. Find it’s limits. Only upgrade the things that are actually limiting you on the trail.

[@overlandready]

1 year on, have you changed the advice for a newbie? As a Land Rover Defender owner, I have standard suspension, which works well, in fact the whole set up is pretty much standard, I have added helper springs and Anti-roll bars. The reaon for these choices is simple, overlanding is not off roading, it is vehicle dependent, usually remote travel, therefore you want components you cna get anywhere. A fair amount of the advice you give is relevent to all, off roaders, racers and overlanders, but not all. I agree with what you say about a lift and destabilising the vehicle and staying as low as you can to do what you need to do. ps, I have ran a D1 on rock crawls and off road courses, most of the tricks to getting over/through obsticles is where you put the vehicle. 🙂

[@OutdoorAuto]

You are right - when it comes to off roading, it is probably 80% driver... 20% Gear.... After doing this for years probably the main thing I can say is most people are overbuilding and under adventuring. My builds have trended toward more extreme, but so have my trips - I really like extremely remote, very bad roads... simple reason is I usually get to go somewhere almost nobody else goes. The real trick is getting people to build to their actual use and not their perceived use. It sounds to me like you have hit that sweet spot really well.

[@nunyabiz627]

This "overlanding" the new yuppie trend to be a "man"?

[@OutdoorAuto]

I guess it depends on why and how you do it.

[@GW-km1iy]

Really great job bro on your video... I've set up several similar trucks including my current and previous Toyota Tundra. You make all the points that I also try to covey to my friends that want to lift or set up a overland truck. I did want to add something if nobody else had on the air bag thing which I always add and am a big fan. Instead of connecting the bottom portion of the bag as per design to the axle which in fact limits your articulation what I do is use cradles. That way u get the advantages of bags without limits of travel. Daystar makes the ones I've used. Anyway just wanted add to the outstanding information you have provided for others 👍

[@J.Young808]

I noticed people listing that in ads for 6” procomp lift and 3” front diff drop. I don’t understand that thinking. I wanted to lift my ‘99 Wrangler 2” and chop fenders to fit 37’s. I am wanting a Tacoma with a 1.5”-2.25” lift so I can just go up +1 tire. I just subbed as I am wanting to get out there.

[@OutdoorAuto]

I like your Tacoma plan... and yeah... definitely get out there... that’s the real goal... winning is getting out... even if it’s in an old Honda Civic.

[@Luke-jw6zn]

its to keep correct drive line angles ..

[@OutdoorAuto]

@@Luke-jw6zn its all about geometry

[@ChurroWaffles]

I don’t even own an Offroad vehicle but I want to someday and your video made a lot of sense even for someone like me who has absolutely no idea what lift kits and UCA and all that jazz is for. Personally I wouldn’t lift my own vehicle higher than what it needs to be. I’m not planning on doing any rock crawling with my future vehicle too so I might not even need any of these. But thanks for the very informative video.

[@adrianofarrill1097]

Sorry in advance for the long question! This is my dilema: I have a new 2021 Tundra TRD Sport and purchased a set of 18x9 +20 offset Fuel Vector rims. Currently the vehicle came with 20inch wheels I want to replace. I want to have a better off-road setup. I originally wanted to do what I thought was a simple lift, but now seeing there are so many different options I am uncertain and a bit insecure about taking out the stock TRD Bilstein shocks that ride so nice and risk putting in something inferior as you say in the video. Additionally the more affordable suspension lift options like Bilstein 5100's or 6112's, only go to 2.4 inches, and even then most people recommend the middle setting which would only provide like 1.7 inches of lift. I may consider something like your OME later on but it is a bit out of my budget right now considering I am building the truck for overlanding and have to invest in cross bars, tent, etc. Can you or others offer advice on the effectiveness for off-roading with leaving my new truck stock with just bigger 18 inch tires. I am thinking BFG K02 275x70x18. I have been reading that I would not need to do any trimming with that setup. Maybe just the small front mad flap? BTW, I love your channel and I appreciate your advice!

[@OutdoorAuto]

You have a VERY capable truck. Getting smaller rims so you can have more rubber is a good move and maxing out your tire size without rubbing is also a good call... beyond that you should be solid. I would just get it out there on the trails and get a feel of how capable it is. You would have to spend a couple thousand dollars to put new suspension on that is in-fact an upgrade to what you already have... so if that strains the budget I would wait for sure... you probably wont even need it. I know my truck looks built up yet it seems like I am always telling people they don't need to do that... but it really does come down to your individual use... Your truck will go everywhere mine has with the exception of some Hard rated trails that are borderline rock crawling... most overlanders don't rock crawl. I'd get what lift you can with tires and spend the remaining budget on getting out there. If you are sold on RTT... check out that new one from GFC... the price on the Superlight is pretty awesome compared to other similar tents.

[@adrianofarrill1097]

@@OutdoorAuto Thanks for the quick response! That was very helpful and reassures what I was thinking!

[@adrianofarrill1097]

@@OutdoorAuto Hi Nate, could you help me once again? As I wrote to you before, I already have Fuel Vector 18x9 + 20 offset rims and just purchased BFG K02 275/70/18 tires as these seem to be the biggest I can go w/o changing my stock TRD 4600 Bilstein suspension for now. I have one more question: I just learned that BFG’s specs on that tire size limits the rim to 8.5 inches. Most things I have read state many people mount that tire size OK on a 9 inch rim, but do you think that would be a problem either on or off road, considering that the tire may be stretched a bit? Any safety or performance issues that you could think of. This is worrying me just before I get them installed. I value your opinion and appreciate any advice you can offer to alleviate my worries. I am also hoping that any rubbing will be minimal and only requires removing mud flaps. Thanks again for you valuable advice and educational videos.

[@johnanderson7485]

This is great advice. I just lifted my 3rd gen 4runner 3". I replaced stabilizer bar links, diff drop, springs, coils, rebooted axels etc. A lot of stuff needed to be accommodated for even with a 3" lift. Upper control arms seemed to be good though!

[@OutdoorAuto]

The 5th Gens seem to be a little easier to work with up to 2.5 - 3". Everyone starts to understand pretty quick why going any higher than that ends up being pretty inva$ive.

[@johnanderson7485]

@@OutdoorAuto Yeah for sure, I totally agree with the true lift is in the tires. Anything over 3" would be outrageously expensive, especially for my age and provide little to no benefit except for perhaps visually.

[@clemp3010]

I have a 2 up atv that sagged with 2 people and a dog. I lost my ground clearance, so I researched lift kits. A puck was recommended. I built 4 2" pucks and installed them. I was thrilled with the new ground clearance. Me and my wife went on a ride with the dog and less than a half mile into the ride, I regretted what I did. It was the worst ride ever. I learned that lesson the hard way. I imagine doing this to a truck is the same.

[@OutdoorAuto]

The pucks or spacers really show how much basic geometry is involved in suspension performance... these little adjustments and all of a sudden the performance plummets.

[@pcarr8618]

Hi Nathan, Boy am I happy I found your youtube channel and more specifically “Overlanding For Beginners”!! I could really use your pragmatic touch on an area I am stuck on. Lost everything in 2010/2011 economy and been going hard for 11 years to start successful business but no vacation for 11 years. Huge outdoor person, have our Pup to get out with, former military, competitor, gained 40 lbs last 5 years, however. Life is short and need and desire to get back out. Hoping you can provide some input with my Totally stock 2011 Sequoia Platinum. Started off with I need tires ASAP. Then been looking at Top tents, RVs etc etc etc in this area if off road, builds, tons of research and stumbled on Overlanding and going down bunny hole after bunny hole then came across your channel and your journey with your Tundra. “Overlanding For Beginners”. Makes total sense (Start with a purpose - Function over looks etc) as all your super cool and informative videos. Part I am stuck on is So while looking at suspension there are or may be limitations with this Platnium Modle given the air shocks in the back. Here is where I could use your professioanl input. No plans at the moment doing any thing super crazy / rock crawling / or desert racing etc.. but like to focus on high quaility equipment that is highly functionable and perhaps step it up a notch in case I do get in a situation I can rely on beefier gear. Looks like 33” or 35” A/T tires are way to go. My rims are 20”. Is it better to replace and use an 18” rim or fine to use the 20” rims? Any advise on that plus 2-3” lift? I saw your vid re keeping center of gravity low. So I am like you build for a purpose but just want to make sure I can get 33 or 35 tires in wheel well Suggestions on tires/brand and size? Currently identified Toyo 33 M/T 33x12.5R20 Then the Suspension: Stuck on what to consider due to the stock rear air shocks Thought? You’re a big Old man emu - so I am totally open! And consideration of taking on some of the extra outdoor gear/weight. Front area: Suggestion for front with winch/recovery. Saw your front on the Tundra, but thoughts for 2011 Sequoia? Then the Back. Suggestion for gate to hold jerry cans and large spare for Sequoia? Top Rack? Extended / larger fuel tank? Then where to buy all this stuff? All in all, first step is I really need to get tires soon, so like to plan with that immediately and get the proper ones mounted and if I need to do the front lets do it! I was planning to do something years ago and purchased some out door gear tested out and a solar Inergy 1100 W Generator. So I have some 100 W panels like to consider having one or two on roof. Stats: 100% Stock 2011 Sequoia Platnium 5.7 V8 20” Stock Rims Console in middle row. Rear load-leveling suspension and adaptive shocks 20 gal standard fuel tank Then the final question is: Is this the proper SUV to build out? Thank you kindly Nathan. Respectfully,

[@hardmtnbiker]

I'm buying a new Tundra. Thanks for the detailed tips. I'm definitely not going to be racing or rock crawling. My goal is to go backcountry exploring and camping with my mountain bikes. Mostly N. America, maybe up to Alaska.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Enjoy the new truck!... I am working on a bunch of new informative overland videos right now... should se them coming out over the next couple weeks.

[@mtbmtb705]

The most honest video I seen in a minute.

[@OutdoorAuto]

Well the goal was to make a video that would help people... and we are sponsored by anybody... so it is super easy to be honest.

[@darranjacobsen4366]

This was one of the most informative videos I have seen on KZbin. TY

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix]

Well done sir! Only lift your vehicle enough to maintain full suspension travel. Anything excess just makes it more too heavy. My 03 disco has a 3 inch lift which is just enough to maintain full articulation with the 32 inch tires I have and still have room for the planned 33s. Anything more and it just makes it that much easier to roll. I try to only go as high as necessary to maintain full articulation with the tires I have. Anything more is really pointless because your axles are your lowest point and no suspension lift can compensate for that.

[@BDGRanger]

Great video but regarding UCAs I would suggest people looking to upgrade their front suspension (coilover or separate spring+shock) understand if their stock UCA will be compatible or may limit the new hardware's abilities. Aftermarket UCAs may be necessary for adequate clearance of larger coilovers or prevent binding if travel range is extended. Ate through a couple ball joints on a project rig before learning UCSa are just as much part of the suspension consideration as the shocks and springs.

[@OutdoorAuto]

People talk about this a LOT... but it is rarely the case...CANGURO RACING ran stock Tundra UCAs on their Baja 1000 rig for years... Yes, it can come up... but very rarely is the UCA the issue if you are staying in that 2.5 - 3 Inch lift range. Honestly, people talk about it way too much... I feel like the manufacturers of aftermarket UCA's metioned it and everyone just believed them.... @TinkerersAdventure did a good video on this topic.

[@BDGRanger]

@@OutdoorAuto that's totally fair and likely the case. In my situation the rig was older and the new kit only added 1 inch of lift but 2-3 of additional droop which lead to hard contact and binding. Either way, I am in violent agreement with the idea of doing your due diligence and being methodical in component selection is important.

[@KurNorock]

I agree that you shouldn't go crazy with lift height. However there is something to be said for having a higher breakover angle, especially on a long 4 door pickup truck. Even if you can stuff 35in or 37in tires under your 3in lift, it won't do you any good if you get high centered or hung up on a cross member. And while i also agree that you should try to avoid dropping the front diff, that is much more desirable that having a low breakover angle. You should be putting your tires on the high points in the trail rather than trying to clear them between the tires.

[@birdlady2725]

Just got a used very basic 6.7 f350. Planning on towing approx 7000lb trailer plus cargo in bed. Not sure if need to upgrade springs in rear, or add airbags? Prob most travel on paved, but do hope to boondocks in more remote areas. I did upgrade tires to E rating for better load than standard. Don't know if these are enough or not. I want to have as much of this figured out and done before leaving to hopefully reduce any issues. Can't wait to explore!

[@TristanTris321GoT]

I installed Bilstein 6112’s on my 2020 Tundra to level the truck and for light/med duty off roading. They are very capable upgrades.

[@OutdoorAuto]

I regret not calling out several Bilstein combos on the video directly . They have the best solutions for affordable level upgrades that are true upgrades. These videos start to get so long I tend to have to trim stuff out. I may do a shorter video just on budget suspension that is still a real upgrade.

[@TristanTris321GoT]

@@OutdoorAuto Very true and 6112/5160 upgrade would be around 1/3 the cost. Awesome review by the way!

[@mikehuffman8208]

Great video ... this is the same thought process I went through for my Tundra & ended up with Bilstein 6112/5160 along with shackles and airbags on cradles in the rear, so the rear axle is freed up. Running a GFC camper & Decked system ... haven't felt the need to upgrade the leaf pack (yet).

[@ourjourneyoverland1271]

Did the same with my Tundra. I'm running a 4wheel camper so I went with custom springs. It was well worth it.