Taiwan Strait Crisis 1954-1958 - Cold War DOCUMENTARY

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3 жыл бұрын

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Our historical documentary series on the history of the Cold War continues with a video on the First and Second Taiwan Strait Crisis between 1954 and 1958, as China tries to take over Taiwan in the aftermath of the Chinese Civil War. US, USSR and others take sides and attempt to help their allies.
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@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 3 жыл бұрын
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@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 3 жыл бұрын
Join our patreon and get early access....
@williambelmer6148
@williambelmer6148 3 жыл бұрын
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@jonathankessler7436
@jonathankessler7436 3 жыл бұрын
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@julianshepherd2038
@julianshepherd2038 3 жыл бұрын
I'd have gone with Dongding Dingdong
@QuizmasterLaw
@QuizmasterLaw 3 жыл бұрын
Might be a good idea to include at least references to CPUSA penetration of the state department and (over)reactions thereto. Keywords: Alger Hiss, Rosenberg, McCarthy.
@zee7056
@zee7056 3 жыл бұрын
The last time I was this early Mao Zedong's hairline wasn't in full retreat.
@arthas640
@arthas640 2 жыл бұрын
His hairline was just following Maos orders. Retreat in the face of the enemy and wait until someone else does the fighting for you, then claim credit. Maos hair fled and then his propagandists just painted him however he wanted.
@arthas640
@arthas640 3 ай бұрын
@Kysple America entered Korea to uphold the pre-war border and to defend their ally, a small, agricultural backwater, against an industrialized, modernized foe and today that same border exists and the South is the worlds 12th largest economy and one of its largest militaries while the North hasnt been able to fully feed itself in decades and has to make their citizens poop in their yards to make up for fertilizer short falls. The USSR and PRC didnt really gain much in the war aside from keeping a US ally off a tiny insignificant chunk of their border and it cost the PRC nearly 150,000 lives to the US's 36,000. The Soviets didnt really want a war in Korea so they didnt really start with any concrete war goals but the PRC and DPRK set out the war to conquer Korea which they failed whereas for the US/UN the survival of South Korea was the primary goal and conquest of the North at best a secondary goal. The US/UN achieved their primary goal but not their secondary goal while the DPRK and PRC failed in their primary goal and had to settle for a status quo ante bellum. The war would likely have gone far worse for China if they didnt flee. China operated out of bases on their border and carried out repeated aerial missions without fear of retaliation because the communist MiGs could dash across the border and run back when the originally slower western air forces responded and the west couldnt carry out their doctrine of cratering runways and striking at logistic centers because China was playing things both way, carrying out an undeclared war so they could hide behind claimed neutrality to prevent an invasion or bombing runs while still sending hundreds of thousands to fight. Even a non-nuclear total war would have been more one sided since China's air defenses were scattered and weak, the Soviets not really interested in a war so far from their centers of power, and the Chinese economy and infrastructure were as fragile as tissue paper, some targeted high altitude bombing could have made their foot insecurity and famines far worse. Hard to count things as a "W" when you dont achieve your main goals, suffer disproportionate losses, cant fully commit out of fear of retaliation, and then have to give up and settle for pre-war conditions. That's doubly true with long term conditions taken into account seeing as the ROK's military budget is larger then the DPRKs entire economy and "North Korean" is synonymous with famine riddled, ineptly ruled, and weak while there's likely multiple pieces of tech in your home made by South Korea. The Chinese Civil War wasnt a victory for the ROC, but it's also been a bit of a pyrrhic victory for the PRC. Until recently someone in Taiwan made something in the ballpark of 5-10x that of someone in mainland China made and even today it's close to double that of the average PRC income, all while still enjoying high standards of living. Every time the PRC has tried to threaten Taiwan they've been swatted aside like a misbehaving child since even off their own coast they cant provide too much of a threat. The CCPs claim to legitimacy has always been that they're providing prosperity and equality but when the ROC can beat them in both regards despite being stuck on a small island with little resources and despite being politically isolated it flies in the face of the CCP. The PRCs claims to power and strength similarly break down when they repeatedly fail to threaten Taiwan. The Chinese civil war wasnt a victory for the ROC and the PRC controls about 90% of Chinese people and 90% of the economy of both Chinas but their lack of resolution in the war hurts them long term since they've always made taking Taiwan out to be a keystone in their victory and central to their party's ideology. Ironically the CCP making Taiwan out to be such a big deal is whats made them a big deal, if the PRC claimed victory over what they held then Taiwan wouldnt be such a "stubborn nail" or "dingzihu" for the CCP.
@user-eq5we2iw7l
@user-eq5we2iw7l 3 жыл бұрын
As a Taiwanese, thank you so much for making a video about this relatively forgotten history.
@moist3963
@moist3963 3 жыл бұрын
Taiwan is the real China
@user-eq5we2iw7l
@user-eq5we2iw7l 3 жыл бұрын
Taiwan 🇹🇼
@zeitgeistx5239
@zeitgeistx5239 3 жыл бұрын
You mean ethnic Chinese. The ROC’s officially considers itself Chinese and the real Chinese government.
@TheSuperior100
@TheSuperior100 3 жыл бұрын
*Chinese
@mappingchannelcanadian1528
@mappingchannelcanadian1528 3 жыл бұрын
I hope Taiwan takes China back they are a wayyyyyyyy better china
@luxembourgishempire2826
@luxembourgishempire2826 3 жыл бұрын
I am really impressed you made a video on this.
@srj607able
@srj607able 3 жыл бұрын
I'm from Asselborn and I approve this message
@jimyoung9262
@jimyoung9262 3 жыл бұрын
Especially in light of the CCP pretty much having power over Alphabet.
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 3 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't they? It's an important episode of the Cold War, and this is a Cold War channel.
@luxembourgishempire2826
@luxembourgishempire2826 3 жыл бұрын
@@ArkadiBolschek Because it's largely forgotten. I mean they forgot lots of other stuff.
@ArkadiBolschek
@ArkadiBolschek 3 жыл бұрын
@@luxembourgishempire2826 Forgot? Or haven't covered yet?
@belisarius727
@belisarius727 3 жыл бұрын
As a mainland chinese, I have to admit that I know very little about this part of our history which can hardly be found in any Chinese history books. I appreciate your efforts in making this video and aiming to tell the story in a neutral point of view.
@TheLoneTerran
@TheLoneTerran 2 жыл бұрын
It's highly annoying when countries including mine, the US, omits facts that might make them look "weak". I highly doubt more than a few people who were involved in either one of the Taiwan Straight Crisis are still alive, let alone in power. It has been more than half a century since the events took place so why do they care so much still? Maybe it made the PRC look a little weaker back then, but no one nowadays thinks the PRC is a weakling, that's for sure. Hiding historical events just makes it that much harder to learn from them.
@michaelf.2449
@michaelf.2449 Жыл бұрын
@@TheLoneTerran wait till you learn about the tiananmen square incident and the fact they don't teach it either. The CCP has always been a bunch of weaklings they bark and bark constantly without any substance.
@TrueBluesProductions
@TrueBluesProductions Жыл бұрын
Nice name, ancient Byzantine general
@amh9494
@amh9494 Жыл бұрын
@@TrueBluesProductions or adeptus mechanicus priest in the 41st millennium...
@whysoserious7553
@whysoserious7553 Жыл бұрын
Because your government feeds you bullshit propaganda
@cbrtdgh4210
@cbrtdgh4210 3 жыл бұрын
I took the ferry from Xiamen to Kinmen last year. It's only a few kilometers away but travelling through the thick morning fog it was like going into a parallel universe where the KMT never lost. It's so surreal to be so close to mainland China but for it to feel as if you're still in Taiwan, which to be honest, feels like a different country.
@rickjames18
@rickjames18 Жыл бұрын
Because it is a different country.
@jonathan810005
@jonathan810005 3 жыл бұрын
I'm from taiwan,I'm pretty surprise to see this issue,almost no one talk about this in my hometown,I mean it's like nobody actually live in the cold war era.
@Seatux
@Seatux 3 жыл бұрын
Never mind the blasting of Taiwanese pop like from Teresa Teng through the 70s or something. Real WTF that one.
@masterimbecile
@masterimbecile 3 жыл бұрын
臺北人報到!
@johnl.7754
@johnl.7754 3 жыл бұрын
The older generation that were around probably are mostly deceased a while ago. Also I’m not sure if there were as much involvement by the original Taiwanese people since not sure if they concerned which mainland group (KMT vs CCP) took over.
@lucinae8510
@lucinae8510 3 жыл бұрын
When people think of unrecognised states, they think of small, impoverished areas of an established country ruled by extremists and corrupt military leaders. They clearly don't know about Taiwan, or that it has one of the most stable economy in the world and is no longer ruled by the people who caused the situation.
@Mondo762
@Mondo762 3 жыл бұрын
I lived on Taiwan during the Cold War. I was only a little kid and my father was a US Army officer. Taiwan is the real China. CCP are thieves and are trying to destroy China's wonderful culture.
@gwiazdapioun2127
@gwiazdapioun2127 3 жыл бұрын
"Hey we wanna do this mutual defence pact, the Northeast Asian Treaty Organisation, what do you guys say?" "Neat-o."
@LukeBunyip
@LukeBunyip 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, Puyi was still in charge (well, I actually mean Empress Dowager Longyu).
@kamikazefrancais
@kamikazefrancais 3 жыл бұрын
qing China is true China!
@hwg5039
@hwg5039 3 жыл бұрын
@@kamikazefrancais lel, the weak China that every western coloniser loves, but that’s not the case anymore
@ShahjahanMasood
@ShahjahanMasood 3 жыл бұрын
@@hwg5039 you are pro PRC aren't you?
@ShahjahanMasood
@ShahjahanMasood 3 жыл бұрын
@Lmao Phaosr yeah and I just joking. The Qing was an ancient institution that had to be destoyed for a modern china.
@mappingchannelcanadian1528
@mappingchannelcanadian1528 3 жыл бұрын
Taiwan is the real china who’s with me
@alwallace4538
@alwallace4538 3 жыл бұрын
My dad was there working with some import/export company during both crises. Wish he was still alive and could see this he'd have loved it. And I would have gotten 2 plus hours of stories
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
"My dad was there working with some import/export company during both crises." I would have loved to have heard those stories..
@memofromessex
@memofromessex 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant stuff. I have much much more an interest in Classical, especially Late Antiquity, but these are so well researched and presented that I keep coming back!
@bazej1080
@bazej1080 3 жыл бұрын
One of the most interesting episodes of the serie so far. Thanks.
@hanzup4117
@hanzup4117 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite topics. Thank you :) Would love to see more PRC Vs ROC videos in the future.
@jayel7607
@jayel7607 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making vids on this subject. 👍
@aps125
@aps125 3 жыл бұрын
The 1958 TW strait crisis was fought mainly as an artillery battle. The ROC forces stationed on Kinmen island was facing artillery barrages from PLA positions on the mainland. They responded with counter fires. Allegedly during the conflict US transferred 240mm Black Dragon super howitzers to ROC Army which played “decisive” role of suppressing communist fires.
@5ynth3ticNZ
@5ynth3ticNZ 3 жыл бұрын
Yay someone mentioned New Zealand! I feel like part of something
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 3 жыл бұрын
We talked about NZ in our video on regional treaties as well, specifically ANZUS. We'll get to more about NZ with both Vietnam and then the anti-nuclear movement in the 1980s
@radjadawamindra697
@radjadawamindra697 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you guys even often forgotten in many world maps.
@flimsyjimnz
@flimsyjimnz 2 жыл бұрын
Hello also from NZ! Happy to feel overlooked -so long as China doesn't claim NZ belongs to them since ancient times!
@rosswebster7877
@rosswebster7877 3 жыл бұрын
Well done as always Cold War and K&G community! I can always count on you guys to present quality videos on seldom known stories of history. I hope on a similar note you might be able to do something on Hong Kong during the Cold War.
@OrbitalAstronaut
@OrbitalAstronaut 3 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for a cold war video like this.
@md.tamzidislam6580
@md.tamzidislam6580 3 жыл бұрын
Love these new animations
@jimyoung9262
@jimyoung9262 3 жыл бұрын
So happy to see this video.
@ronansmyth9146
@ronansmyth9146 3 жыл бұрын
So interesting thank you.
@SahilRgaming
@SahilRgaming 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this
@scrimmybingus8972
@scrimmybingus8972 3 жыл бұрын
Loving the content as always, there's not nearly enough coverage on the cold war out there
@bhutochakrabarti4173
@bhutochakrabarti4173 3 жыл бұрын
U deserve more subscribers.By the way another great video.
@francispaniagua4228
@francispaniagua4228 3 жыл бұрын
I love every single documentary of this channel, such a good work, heart and dedication. Cheers to all of you guys.
@gabrielcaballero4817
@gabrielcaballero4817 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the next Stasi episode, I want to know about their tactics
@szairon4051
@szairon4051 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I love your cold war contents ♥️
@markj.ashwin4830
@markj.ashwin4830 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@Mavo936
@Mavo936 3 жыл бұрын
At subtitles: 'This all Chianged' (03:48). Nice one ^^
@gunnerdupree3406
@gunnerdupree3406 3 жыл бұрын
Love this show!
@xiaogangdasha
@xiaogangdasha 2 жыл бұрын
As a chinese, great quality, subscribed.
@TWG-zw3en
@TWG-zw3en 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I seem to recall a TV channel that used to concentrate on historical events and provide documentaries on them before they started showing something called “reality TV”; can’t rightly remember what it was called...🙄. Thank you for the excellent content, keep up the great work!
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 3 жыл бұрын
so....we shouldn't convert the show into coverage of a Pawn Shop or how aliens actually built the pyramids in order to keep Hitler's brain alive inside of a jar??
@user-df1ek5rc1h
@user-df1ek5rc1h 3 жыл бұрын
"Have _________ the bell button" is getting more overt as we move into the heights of the cold war in the '60s - from plain 'pressed' to 'oppressed' and now 'bombarded. It would be funny if we see this joke détente itself as we move into the '70s
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 3 жыл бұрын
stay tuned... ;)
@user-df1ek5rc1h
@user-df1ek5rc1h 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheColdWarTV 😳
@yaldabaoth2
@yaldabaoth2 3 жыл бұрын
I like 2 year plans but 5 year plans are my forte, comrade.
@GerSanRiv
@GerSanRiv 3 жыл бұрын
This was really good.
@xlyoutube
@xlyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
As a Chinese I've learned a few things from this video. I also appreciate your effort keeping it as factual and neutral as possible. Thanks! Just curious did you make the animation yourself? If so what did you use? Being able to visualise the geographical context is a big plus for understanding these events. I've been on the tour departing from Xiamen by sea to as close to Kinmen (Jin Men) as possible and it was actually enjoyable. We could wave to the guards on Jin Men from our ship and they waved back. In my years living and working in different countries I've made a few friends from Taiwan and we've learned to forgo the pointless debate of how many legitimate Chinas there are and learned to embrace a shared cultural identity. Also did you know that people of Jin Men made cleaver knives with old bombshells from those bombardments? They are apparently very popular souvenirs to Mainland tourists.
@Agtsmirnoff
@Agtsmirnoff 3 жыл бұрын
You and your country are a bully. Leave Taiwan alone, most don’t want anything to do with you!
@westrim
@westrim 3 жыл бұрын
Both The Cold War and its father channel, Kings and Generals, are produced by several people: the credits for this episode are at 16:20, and the animators are Ilkin Gambar and Leif Sick. The narrator is also one of the historians, but not generally involved in the technical work.
@xlyoutube
@xlyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
@@Agtsmirnoff The fxxk is your problem? Go back to your basement and drink your bacon grease in silence please.
@xlyoutube
@xlyoutube 3 жыл бұрын
@@westrim Thanks a lot! My bad I haven't paid attention to the credits.
@travelsofmunch1476
@travelsofmunch1476 3 жыл бұрын
@@Agtsmirnoff Karl you are the problem. Get it through ur skull that there is a difference between the people and government of a country. I apologize to X
@lomion79
@lomion79 3 жыл бұрын
It's taken me a week but I've finally caught up on the entire run from the first episode to the last (so far)! Great series.
@thatsjohn3938
@thatsjohn3938 2 жыл бұрын
Well done
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
This was an OUTSTANDING education on Taiwan & China after 1949. Wow... There's so much history here, so many details, I never knew about..
@brokenbridge6316
@brokenbridge6316 3 жыл бұрын
Had no idea these two incidents ever happen. Wow the things one learns every day. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.
@raresbalan2744
@raresbalan2744 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing! I hope when you get to the 1980s ( long time from now😂) I hope you will also cover in special episodes the 1989 revolutions. Greetings from 🇷🇴🇷🇴
@wallachia4797
@wallachia4797 3 жыл бұрын
De ce ai acel steag la poza de profil daca esti din Romania?
@raresbalan2744
@raresbalan2744 3 жыл бұрын
Că sunt un fan al Regatului Unit
@wallachia4797
@wallachia4797 3 жыл бұрын
@@raresbalan2744 Ei nu prea sunt fani Romania
@jonassoviecki6441
@jonassoviecki6441 3 жыл бұрын
They murdered illegally ceosescu that year
@raresbalan2744
@raresbalan2744 3 жыл бұрын
They executed them și they wouldn't talk about the secrets, the opposition, which was also communist alongside the army planned it.
@Huntress_Hannah
@Huntress_Hannah 3 жыл бұрын
Southeast Asia Treaty Organization. Naturally it makes sense for America and the brits to be in it.
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 3 жыл бұрын
we have an episode on SEATO from just a few weeks back where we talk about just that...
@rzpogi
@rzpogi 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheColdWarTV Maybe an episode on the formation of ASEAN would be nice once you guys get into the mid-late 60s. It further weakened the effect of SEATO (SEATO was weak from the start).
@goodman4966
@goodman4966 3 жыл бұрын
Cool 3d maps guys!
@Andrew-df1dr
@Andrew-df1dr Жыл бұрын
Good video.
@CivilWarWeekByWeek
@CivilWarWeekByWeek 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for the sequel
@stephencody6088
@stephencody6088 3 жыл бұрын
There's so many shell casings on those Islands that Recycling brass is still a booming industry!PS the KMT forced the native Xie people of Taiwan into the mountains.
@saltherilshaven
@saltherilshaven 3 жыл бұрын
I think while the new video format looks really good, it doesn't really seem necessary. If its easy to make more of them, than sure! Make more. But if it slows down production, then I don't think we need any special animations for the videos.
@dominiquewong4706
@dominiquewong4706 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. As Taiwanese, we learn about the first and second Taiwan strait crisis briefly in our histroy books. However, this video brings a cold war and world perspective to these incidents that happened in recent history. I believe there will be video regarding Taiwan in the cold war theme. Since Taiwan and Korea are still continuing the cold war. p.s. I think the main reason why KMT don't want to retreat from those small islands near the mainland is because KMT will further lose legitimacy of being CHINA by not having any land in CHINA. And this is also the main different stand between US and the KMT
@johnwatson3948
@johnwatson3948 3 жыл бұрын
An Air Force crewman who was on Guam during the second crisis in 1958 wrote how - after flying in with his unit of giant B-36 bombers was surprised the next morning to see the planes had been filled with incendiary bombs - an added warning to the PRC.
@tedcook9621
@tedcook9621 3 жыл бұрын
For those of us familiar with the fallout universe, I fully agree!
@tdwebste
@tdwebste 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you actually reported history, of that Taiwan was separated from the Mainland in China in 1949. Even though at that time both claimed to be the one China, the ROC and PRC were clearly 2 separate counties.
@jankowalski3496
@jankowalski3496 3 жыл бұрын
At last, we go forward with the timeline.
@Jokkkkke
@Jokkkkke 3 жыл бұрын
Can you include your sources in your videos? Or does that come with Patreon support?
@dkwlin4351
@dkwlin4351 3 жыл бұрын
Great episode 👍🏼👍🏼 Strait-Crisis is very cheerful topic in Cold War history. Hope you will make more sequences in the future✌🏻 This issue is still complicated. US just defended Penghu island and Formosa. The Kinmen and Mastu were excluded. During this crisis, president Eisenhower also signed the defensive cooperation treaty with Taipei. ROC had the defensive and economic assistance from US until 1979. Thus,Taiwan was undergone 40 years martial law rules. At least, US remained the Taiwan’s de facto independence from Mainland. It is very important for Taiwan.
@shuhewa
@shuhewa 3 жыл бұрын
两岸问题是内战加冷战遗留问题
@junyuanma4243
@junyuanma4243 3 жыл бұрын
Collaborating with foreign powers to undermine your own country is not something to be proud of.
@junyuanma4243
@junyuanma4243 3 жыл бұрын
@@dkwlin4351 Eat more pork.
@dkwlin4351
@dkwlin4351 3 жыл бұрын
@@junyuanma4243 I ate Taiwanese Pork most~ Thank you~ Be careful on Wuhan Virus and Delicious Swine Fever pork~
@junyuanma4243
@junyuanma4243 3 жыл бұрын
@@dkwlin4351 How do you know where the pork you ate came from? Can it speak? Or it has words written on every bites? Taiwan has been looking for chances to get in WHO, yet its people does not respect WHO's resolution not to name a disease after a place or an animal. Not to mention US had vaping pneumonia which had the same symptom as COVID-19, and US flu data kept high since late 2019, until COVID-19 was finally tested. Larger chance is that it is American virus, just like Spanish flu were brought to Europe by US WWI soldiers.
@akmalkamaruddin6506
@akmalkamaruddin6506 2 жыл бұрын
hello. what are the name of the final backround music???
@brack25c
@brack25c Жыл бұрын
Dam Einsenhower was like another version of Reagan, but with nuclear saber-rattling.
@starwarsnerd1055
@starwarsnerd1055 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone knows the music playing in the back at 15:11 ?
@Numba003
@Numba003 Жыл бұрын
The history of Taiwan is a fascinating subject I enjoy learning more about given that I don't know a great deal on the topic. Thank you for this video on the ongoing struggles between the PRC and ROC. God be with you out there friends! ✝️ :)
@Zaradeptus
@Zaradeptus 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone know the name of the music track that kicks in at around 6:55?
@stevecoleman2250
@stevecoleman2250 Жыл бұрын
Could you do an episode on the confrontation between Indonesia and Malaysia in the 1960s
@elizabethramsey9295
@elizabethramsey9295 2 ай бұрын
In 1957 our military dad was shipped out to Taiwan that was called Formosa for over a year.
@mr.goodvibes4126
@mr.goodvibes4126 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome ! pls do a video about the Vietnam War and Korean War
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 3 жыл бұрын
we actually have three separate videos on the Korean War
@mr.goodvibes4126
@mr.goodvibes4126 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheColdWarTV nice... thanks
@hanhan2360
@hanhan2360 3 жыл бұрын
非常好的频道
@FrazzP
@FrazzP 3 жыл бұрын
Will you talk about Project "National Glory", the Kuomintang plan to retake mainland China?
@tdwebste
@tdwebste 3 жыл бұрын
Actions speak louder than words. The PRC attacked the small Taiwan Islands after the China Civil war ending 1949. Did the ROC attack Mainland China territory after the close of the China Civil war? Thx @Tiger Hu Has brought to my attention of the ROC 1950 attack on Shanghai. The conflict did NOT completely end after the ROC took refuge in the small Taiwan Islands.
@tigerhu4685
@tigerhu4685 2 жыл бұрын
​@@tdwebsteThere are just way too many examples.... The most prominent one being the "Feb. 6" attack in 1950, when the ROC bombed urban Shanghai, leaving 1400+ dead or wounded. During the first and second crisis, most aerial combats also took place within PRC-controlled territories. Not to mention the famous (or infamous) Black Cat Squadron of the ROC Air Force, which carried out 200+ surveillance missions over Mainland until 1970s(!), intruding as far north as the Sino-Soviet border. And btw, the China Civil War never "ended" in 1949, neither side said so.
@tdwebste
@tdwebste 2 жыл бұрын
​@@tigerhu4685 You are correct the PLA did attempt to capture the ROC by attacking the Taiwan Islands in 1950 1954-55 and 1958. But than thx to Mao brutal Cultural Revolution. 1966-76. China had bigger problems, killing its own people. But the China Civil war is over, except in your own mind and perhaps a few other ultra-nationalist Little Pinks.
@tigerhu4685
@tigerhu4685 2 жыл бұрын
​@@tdwebste You see, now you are completely off the topic : ) I was simply pointing out two facts: 1. that the ROC government also carried out attacks/intrusions on Mainland territories, which you did not dispute; and 2. that neither side officially declared an end to the status of a Civil War. This is a legal rather than political question and is not that hard to answer. No armistice was ever signed between the parties and thus, in the eyes of the law of armed conflicts, the status of war persists. (some scholars may argue that the abolishment of the Temporary Provisions in 1991 marks ROC's unilateral exit, but I would say that's more about domestic/constitutional law rather than external matters). 3. In any case, it is indisputable that both sides carried out armed attacks after 1949, which rendered your original argument futile. P.S. Thank you for showcasing us once again what it means by "poisoning the well" and "confirmation bias" in English.
@tdwebste
@tdwebste 2 жыл бұрын
@@tigerhu4685 Let China not invade Taiwan and start WWW3. Such invasion would take Japanese, Philippines and Vietnam Territory. And require bombing China Cities, mast destruction of Chinese Factories, and infrastructure. Knowing this China attack Japan, India. South Korea and Australia become bases of defense and also be attacked by China. China will be in a very difficult situation facing the world. Knowing it is a matter of time will engage in either or both nuclear, bioware. The world at this point will be at a tipping point. But the CCP will underestimate the world's resolve. Russia which is an opportunist, faced with world destruction may rip into China. Even if the Russian Government doesn't officially do so. Suicide attacks from all sides will attack China, knowing stopping China under the CCP is the only way to save the world. We don't know how China invading Taiwan will play out. China has absolutely nothing to gain by invading an independent Country split off from China during the China Civil war.
@pedrogonzalesgonzales5097
@pedrogonzalesgonzales5097 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think you mentioned Quemoy and Matsu islands
@forthrightgambitia1032
@forthrightgambitia1032 3 жыл бұрын
Posting this now for good memories of the world before the 3rd Taiwan Strait Crisis.
@TheColdWarTV
@TheColdWarTV 3 жыл бұрын
Third Taiwan Straights Crisis was in 1996 and is outside of the scope of the channel.
@Mondo762
@Mondo762 3 жыл бұрын
I lived on Taiwan 1954-56. My father was a US Army Advisor stationed at Ching Chuan Kang (CCK) Air Base near the center of the island.
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
Wow.. Interesting.. Thank you.
@thethirdjegs
@thethirdjegs 3 жыл бұрын
You hid a pun in the subtitles disguised as a typographical error in 3:46. Sneaky Cold War Channel.
@Andrew-df1dr
@Andrew-df1dr Жыл бұрын
The 1959 film: On the Beach, about Melbourne being the last city on Earth left after a nuclear war that was caused by China attacking Taiwan.
@Maxxwell10
@Maxxwell10 3 жыл бұрын
Was Chiang Kai-Shek always riding a Ju-52? :)
@Inkling777
@Inkling777 3 жыл бұрын
I recall that the 1960 debates between Nixon and JFK included two additional islands off the coast of China, Quomoy and Matsu. You might want to discuss that.
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting... If you look online, you can find the meeting between Nixon and Mao. The exact transcripts of conversation from everybody there, was recorded and recently declassified. Many good parts in the conversation, but if I were to chose 2.. 1. Mao asked Nixon if this conversation will be kept private. Nixon replies yes. Nothing will be made public. Mao died before it was made public. I think Nixon died before it too. 2. Nixon wanted to talk about sensitive topics like Taiwan with Mao, and Mao decline and offered to talk about other things instead.
@sargesacker2599
@sargesacker2599 3 жыл бұрын
The modern destroyer in the video thumbnail is bothering me given the video is about events in the 1950's.
@doktorarbeitslos
@doktorarbeitslos 3 жыл бұрын
Correction: The Army of ROC was not called "National Revolutionary Army" at the time. It was renamed in 1947 to Republic of China Armed Forces. edit: It would have also been nice if you would not have marginalized the inhabitants of Taiwan in the video and mentioned, that the Chiang regime was extremely unpopular in Taiwan and only held on to power through martial law and incarcerating/killing a significant portion of the Taiwanese population.
@B727X
@B727X 3 жыл бұрын
Not related to the vids topic tho
@doktorarbeitslos
@doktorarbeitslos 3 жыл бұрын
@@B727X 8:36
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
"Republic of China Armed Forces" Interesting.. I didn't know this. Thank you.
@dy031101
@dy031101 Жыл бұрын
@@doktorarbeitslos 'Think he meant the part where you framed the Martial Law era as a "racial" conflict. Even if Chiang could somehow be overthrown, Mao would never have allowed even a Communist Taiwan to exist as a separate entity for long, nor would he have trusted Taiwan to remain a faithful PRC client state even if its government intended to be one.
@beachboy0505
@beachboy0505 3 жыл бұрын
Wow did not know these islands are so close to China Chang never lost faith or honour. Excellent video
@GoTfan-eb8tk
@GoTfan-eb8tk 3 жыл бұрын
Chaing was also a brutal dictator who may have killed around 13 million people. He was not a good person by any stretch of the imagination.
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
Brandon is right. Many other sources supported that about Chang. He was a Military Leader 1st, and a terrible Civic/Political/Country leader. He often ruled like a Military Leader (what he's done all his life), and couldn't rule like a civilian over civilians. A common fault of military leaders. A great video was made by the US-China Institute with interviews from American journalists who were in China during the Civil War. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJfLm6RupKd1ebM Priceless video... There's a 1st hand story from one journalists who shared how she went to elaborate parties in Shanghai almost every day and lived very well off there. It bothered her that so many lived painfully poor there. While getting escorted back home by KMT soldiers, she saw people eating the grass and asked the KMT soldier what he thought. He replied, "we don't consider them people". IF Chiang Kai Sheik did win China, I'm not terribly confident that it would be run well too. I think better than Taiwan, because he'd have more help in it from the USA, but he would have to tame his ego and the need to always be in charge, and give his seat to somebody else. If that didn't happen, he would have done a terrible job with China and I predict it wouldn't have been long before the Soviet Union started attacking China and doing it's best to disrupt and overthrow the new government that was it's neighbor..
@joenichols3901
@joenichols3901 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please be specific, when talking about monies being spent during this time period, of how much that amount is in today's dollars? Hard to understand the financial impact due to inflation. Thanks!
@pranabmallick01
@pranabmallick01 3 жыл бұрын
Please make video on Indo-Pak Wars
@SnowLeopard-lt1vf
@SnowLeopard-lt1vf 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the soviet invasion of Afghanistan
@ShinobiHOG
@ShinobiHOG 3 жыл бұрын
The sequel coming soon to a theater of war near you.......
@greatwhiteythe2nd804
@greatwhiteythe2nd804 3 жыл бұрын
I did what the PRC hasn't been able to do for the better part of 7 decades... ie: Sail from Shanghai to Taiwan. I just lied and said we came from Hong Kong... Suppose that one wouldn't work anymore :P
@andyb2028
@andyb2028 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but Dongding Island made me laugh
@cheeminthao6535
@cheeminthao6535 3 жыл бұрын
Do the Secret War in Laos
@aasemahsan
@aasemahsan 2 жыл бұрын
2:41 3:46 4:44
@mishapurser7542
@mishapurser7542 3 жыл бұрын
2 year plan? What happened to the next 5 year plan?
@BrianD146
@BrianD146 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the episode on November 25th the Politics of Culture. Particularly ending with the idea of a future where people do not lack from resources. Really want you to consider portraying nuclear power as part of that future. So many people are afraid of it and it'll take popular culture to break that fear. Look at how few people died due to radiation from two of the most horrific accidents with old technology. A gigantic earthquake and a huge tidal wave. Look at the half-life of nuclear waste and how it's really not the scary thing that the media likes to sell copy advertising with. Look at how much human suffering is caused by extracting cheap labor from slaves or others versus an abundant power source that truly could be delivered on assembly line process. You would have a society that has an abundance of energy. When humans are not taxed with having to produce energy with their sweat and detriment to their health with pollution, the quality of life goes up. Look at the advances in nuclear power and generation 4 reactors. Look at the advances of small modular reactors and how they can be as common as a Walmart for truly a local power grid. These could be cycled up and down as needed based on the lack of wind and solar. Think of nuclear submarines and how they spool up their power. The age of these gigantic reactors is truly over. The cost overruns with these gigantic projects is wasteful. Small modular reactors can be delivered on trucks and assembly line built as fast as a walmart. Look at how this new technology is truly walk away safe. Look at the advances in using up spent fuel faster than what they produce. Look at the nonproliferation factor. Look at the greenhouse gases and the number of deaths that come from mining coal or extracting petroleum. Nuclear is far less deadly and truly clean. There are forces that want to make nuclear so scary and so safe that it's so expensive it'll never be built. Be wise to all this.
@henryc5534
@henryc5534 3 жыл бұрын
Don't you guys share/reference your sources of information?
@flimsyjimnz
@flimsyjimnz 2 жыл бұрын
My father was in Kunming Chunking with the British Embassy as KMT moved it's seat of power. Apparently because of his greed/corruption Chiang's nickname was 'cash-my-check'?? -If so that would help explain US later distancing with him?
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
"cash-my-check" !! I NEVER heard that.. Wow..
@audreylin3466
@audreylin3466 Жыл бұрын
"Cash my check" was the UK version. The US troops referred to him as "Chiang Kai Save Myself" until orders came from the Pentagon to "Stop."
@sundalongpatpat
@sundalongpatpat 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I didn't know Taiwan has islands so near the Mainland China. All I thought Taiwan has the Taiwan Island and a bunch of islands offshore.
@ritemolawbks8012
@ritemolawbks8012 3 жыл бұрын
It's almost as close as troops in the DMZ and the West Berlin Checkpoint.
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy, isn't it? This video that I watched, (by Philip James) showed what China looks like from Kinmen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5K3lKmXf9Glj5o
@TheHoagie13
@TheHoagie13 3 жыл бұрын
*ROC: **_"THE ROCK"_*
@bhutochakrabarti4173
@bhutochakrabarti4173 3 жыл бұрын
Well as an indian iam not surprised. Well I think with current situation u could upload the video about 1962 sino india war. It will be very much appreciated. By the way keep rocking that beard .👍👍
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
You will like this video that's already been made. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqXLlmhpidt5nZY They even interviewed Chinese soldiers who fought in it. I learned a lot. It also opened my eyes to how sensitive Mao was to public opinion of China being the aggressor, with his surprise retreat.. I see this same behavior with China today.
@tng2057
@tng2057 3 жыл бұрын
Ironically, these days if you want to travel from outside Taiwan to Kinmen, the easiest way is to fly to Xiamen in China then take a ferry to Kinmen.
@jstantongood5474
@jstantongood5474 Жыл бұрын
Zhou pronounced like English "Joe"
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 3 жыл бұрын
@11:30 Zhou Enlai - family name is pronounced similarly to 'Joe'. Zhu ('Jew') is another common Chinese family name.
@bigbigmurphy
@bigbigmurphy 3 жыл бұрын
Who will cover the one in the 1990s?
@junyuanma4243
@junyuanma4243 3 жыл бұрын
If anyone covers it correctly, you will find the brainwashing side is the side which is free and democratic.
@Zoey--
@Zoey-- 3 жыл бұрын
China 1958: Give me those islands!!! China 2020: Fine I'll build my own fuckin islands!
@gmicg
@gmicg 2 жыл бұрын
Why did Mao Tse-tung become Mao Zedong?
@muhammadtjokroaminoto4523
@muhammadtjokroaminoto4523 3 жыл бұрын
i believe this crisis was the first air to air combat using Air to Air Missile😳
@taiwandxt6493
@taiwandxt6493 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, the AIM-9 Sidewinder's first combat debut was from ROCAF P86 Sabres over the Taiwan Strait.
@haryen8876
@haryen8876 3 жыл бұрын
HOI 6 graphics
@justinlabrosse8506
@justinlabrosse8506 3 жыл бұрын
I dont know much about Taiwan but the famous pirate king Koxinga who basically ruled it as an independent nation from China after conquering it for the Ming then holding it for 20 years against the Qing but that was in 1668
@Leshic2
@Leshic2 2 жыл бұрын
a "famous" pirate king that nobody has ever heard of before.. Haha.. I'm teasing... That's interesting. I genuinely never heard that. Something new I need to research!
@alemdarmustafapasa7877
@alemdarmustafapasa7877 Жыл бұрын
8:16
@davidp.7620
@davidp.7620 3 жыл бұрын
Liked until I saw the ad
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