Taiwanese Tai Chi Master Challenges Xu Xiaodong And Two Boxers

In this very interesting examination of TCMA vs MMA, we have a Taiwanese self-proclaimed Tai Chi Master named Li Ming 李明 challenging MMA Mad Dog Panda Xu Xiaodong. And what's more: Yang Tai Chi Li Ming actually has footage of himself testing his Tai Chi (and Bagua too) against two different boxers in Taiwan. Let's bring in Rob and analyze how well this Tai Chi master does in the ring. Is there any efficacy in his boxing? Could he really take on Xu Xiaodong? Also, what do you think about Li's interesting approach to holding his hands in the ring.
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[@FightCommentary]

Courtesy of Qi La La, we have 2018 footage of this same "master" sparring people: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGPceYRsjcqpntU Like always thanks to the three parties who made this video possible: Xu Xiaodong aka Mad Dog: kzbin.info/door/IXOIjR2mp8tHz78DE0vj2A Li Ming, aka Tai Chi and Bagua: "Master kzbin.info/door/M7QSt3b3RYEq1mZBryOqIw The boxing academy where Li Ming sparred the two boxers: www.youtube.com/@eagleboxing5120 Rob, the cohost: kzbin.info/door/eQsyqEoxMpzmtWi_ZLAaFg

[@RobWatt]

Don't forget to tell them that round 1 starts 1:16 and round 2 starts 7:08

[@TheRuwan117]

I feel like challenging Xu has become a way for these self proclaimed "Masters" to earn some fame on their school / name. With the mindset of "any publicity is good publicity".

[@christysonkohousegarage24]

The so-called Tai Chi master had absolutely no footwork. This allowed the 2 boxers to set their punches eventually knocking down this so-called master. Because the so-called master also had a poor defence and his punches were not technically sound and so comparatively generated very little power, the boxers really had free reign to throw clean shots at will. You have to give the so-called master some credit though for sticking it out for 2 rounds against 2 different fighters who look much younger and have more boxing experience than himself but I think he was too old and unprepared for this type of sparring. In boxing this is called a mismatch. He should stick to what he does best (if he is indeed a tai chi master as claimed) and leave Xu Xiaodong to younger, hungrier and more suitable fighters.

[@FightCommentary]

@@kungpowchickenwing Where'd your video go? I just got around to seeing your comment.

[@josephh.lalruatkima9387]

Jerry it's better when you're alone in commenting a fights

[@richardlong3745]

A few months, he's old, he's slow and he's basically clueless on what he's about to undertake. He'll need a complete rebirth into another life to be ready for his upcoming match.

[@thedoubtfuls]

Next life wont clear the head. Try a couple more, each with more KOs

[@2061526]

delusional - the right word.

[@ArtAcrobats]

His stage name is The Human Punching Bag.

[@demoniac972]

LOL

[@EBKmichael]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@charliezoa4899]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[@auricstewart]

Really proud of the taiji guy going out there and fighting out of his comfort zone huge gloves hes never used in sure the weight was really difficult to deal with as well as just trying to use them with taiji skill i hope he continues to challenge himself and fighting different opponents no matter what to improve his skill

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Yeah but he is supposed to be a master. This is another of the reason on why traditional martial artists aren't even decent anymore, imagine this guy teaching someone else on how to defend himself, and then that guy does the same... i don't like this

[@clarity2115]

traditional martial arts is the biggest scam in combat sports history when it comes to self defense.

[@joshuasharrock466]

Bro don't judge me but if I had some white threads like that I'd challenge Xu too

[@RobWatt]

The white threads are pretty epic!!

[@Daniel-yo5es]

so.... go buy a white t shirt maybe? wtf

[@kamilareeder1493]

@@kungpowchickenwing true lol. I admit, I have a sleeveless gi shirt which I used for a dance performance xD but its actually a dope ass shirt in general. 10/10 if I'm ever in a planned fight I'm gonna wear it so I can focus my chi and win lol. I wore it to my muay tai gym and it was FRESH 😭🤣

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Lmao

[@jerry171460]

Based on this Tai Chi master's performance against these two boxers in the ring, this Tai Chi master won't stand a chance. It is a matter of how many seconds he can last when he fights against Xu Xiaodong.

[@R3FRY]

Xiaodong will literally stand there while this guy taps him a couple time, he'll shrug and walk to his corner lol. This dude will get destroyed.

[@kullenberg]

The boxer's shove at 7:55 minutes in looked like more like Tai Chi than what the Tai Chi guy was doing

[@dratuang2962]

That wording is weird You should say that push at 7:55 look more tail chi then what tail chi master been doing

[@kullenberg]

@@dratuang2962 Tail Chi is my favorite martial art

[@trcs3079]

@@dratuang2962 tail chai is my favourite martial arts, next to iron tail

[@bronxlords]

I have 16 years of boxing and fighting on the streets. 6 years of grappling and 4 years of kick boxing. I chicken out of every fight until I have no choice. But people always interpret kindness for weakness.

[@dayman161172]

Strong fighters dont say that they can fight. Ur mind is weak u cant even fight if chicken out is the reason not to defend urself

[@gavins9846]

@@dayman161172 "Defend yourself" more like get ganged up, stabbed or shot and left to bleed out on the street. He's probably talking about real world fighting.

[@mat7258]

@@dayman161172 not at all, the number one rule of self defense and martial arts use is literally to not fight at all. What if the person has a knife, gun, friends? Its best to chicken out and swallow your pride than to regret it as things may get deadly or the other person is just stronger

[@madnessprime2009]

I have 16 years of pedicure,6 years of carpentry and 4 years of dishwashing.i can beat 20 guys at the same time

[@theoneaboveall7708]

Lol u are trash 🚮

[@saltysexyyy6336]

I have recently started learning MMA (starting with Muay Thai) largely because of u and Xu xiadong Thanks.

[@saltysexyyy6336]

@John Smith may i ask for some sources good sir

[@saltysexyyy6336]

@John Smith first of all that doesnt prove anything of him being fake, and there is no fcking way chen xiao wang is beating a full fledged mma guy. Xu xiadong does speak a lot of smack though i agree on this , but he still did suffer for a good cause (exposing fake martial artists who call themselves masters is kinda a good cause isnt it) and me starting mma was probably a good thing cause now i can atleast somewhat defend in some way which would not have happened from the time i was doing wing chun (i did wing chun before).

[@p.n3561]

the tai chi guy is pretty durable tho for an old man

[@FightCommentary]

Yeah

[@n0simpathy304]

@@kungpowchickenwing again check out Nick osipzak. UFC fighter who used yang Tai chi as a base.

[@n0simpathy304]

@@kungpowchickenwing m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6qWXoNnaZeWp68 Tai chi isn't a damaging martial art. It if anything may help break a clinch, help you understand someone center like in judo, and has decent low energy take downs. On Nick's KZbin channel he even is the one of says he's using it so... And he teaches it on his channel a bit, and they interviewed him on his Tai chi in the UFC. He explains the Tai chi I guess overall enhances everything else. Lung capacity, balance, finding center, full body coordination, etc. You need something else to finish ppl off. Tai chi isn't too good at that but all arts have pros and cons.

[@Kenzaki1010]

@@n0simpathy304 "Lung capacity, balance, finding center, full body coordination, etc. " So it has the same benefits as Yoga.

[@malakatan3235]

He too old & He didn't have good tactic to fight with Tai Chi

[@lostmarimo]

He just stood there waving is hands up and down getting hit.. how can he not realize how bad he is.

[@lostmarimo]

@Victimblamer69 Tai chi doesn't work. simple as that

[@alexfpower]

@@lostmarimo ahhh, it works but its mainly used for grappling, you need something more than tai chi and bagua to be a good striker, unless you spar alot and pressure test your stuff before getting in a ring like this.

[@trcs3079]

@@alexfpower "mainly sued for grappling" as if wrestling, judo, BJJ, sanda and muay Thai clinch didn't exist 😂

[@hankwatt]

This is mesmerizing! What a zen way to open!

[@udontseethetruth]

these TMA ''Masters'' should invent a new martial art of their own called ''The Iron Face'' because that is what they all do. Get punched in the face, flailing their arms around and leaving their head wide open. Sad.

[@AGS363]

Wow! Mad respect for Tai Chi guy. He fought in a ring! With gloves! Most masters would have refused to fight with these disadvantages.

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

“Disadvantages” 😂

[@trcs3079]

If you wear fighting gloves and somehow that's a disadvantage, you need to reevaluate your martial arts.

[@cookingmadesimple9746]

imagine a boxer not wearing a gloves. the tai chi master might get killed

[@samlam2844]

I have to give it to the old man, no fighting skills at all, yet he took all the punishment and still walked out of the ring on his feet.

[@santoandkim]

It doesn’t matter what he trains, he’s gonna get hurt.

[@WillofStone08]

Is there a reason as to why they actually do this? Are they actually delusional or are they just doing this for fame and clout.

[@micksilva7374]

They know Xu could not get near them (location).

[@MasterZhang]

Fame, of course. The scammer knows he's not a real Nigerian prince, but he sends you the email anyway.

[@johnbravo1034]

MasterZhang well put.

[@EBKmichael]

They’re delusional. Apparently martial arts styles are more like religions in Asia🤦‍♂️

[@josen2791]

I honestly believe they are completely delusional, living a life time thinking they are training and getting stronger messed up their heads, no racional human being who knows their limits is getting in a ring without training against a much larger, stronger, faster and more technical opponent

[@oscartorres6293]

Great commentary. You guys are entertaining to watch this with. Keep it up

[@martialartspracticallyappl8068]

Wow, I hope they fight soon

[@eyobedw1]

Don't blink you might miss the fight

[@thelimey351]

The Tai Chi 'Master' is a master of landing the other guy's fists on his face and body...

[@mikeb1841]

Love your videos!! Also, I love hearing the proper pronunciation of some of these fighters names.

[@Ken_Mags]

😂😂😂 the second boxer didn't even break a sweat

[@EBKmichael]

May as well have been a heavy bag drill😂

[@WarlordFlanker]

Homie was fighting in an archery stance 😂🤣

[@FightCommentary]

So that’s what it is! Don’t give people ideas though... now they’ll say that Tai Chi is the OG archery.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@FightCommentary lel

[@kamenwaticlients]

I always thought that tai chi was more of a grappling thing

[@sattoriemei3210]

Yes, tai chi is grappling standing up.

[@sattoriemei3210]

What do you mean?

[@sattoriemei3210]

Yeah because this guy is a fraud.

[@sattoriemei3210]

If you know tai chi, you can tell that he's no master of any style of tai chi by the way he moves.

[@sattoriemei3210]

@dan b lol if you watch the original video of this fight and understand Chinese, you will hear the announcer introducing Li Ming as a BaGua fighter. That's a totally different martial arts style than Tai Chi and the philosophies are totally different between them. One example, if you are well versed in Chinese martial arts, Tai Chi concerns earth while Bagua concerns man. Anyways this Li Ming is no Bagua master either.

[@waaagh3203]

Prank Xu Xiadong by getting a Lumpinee stadium champion to dress up in kung fu threads and pretend he's a Tai Chi master :D :D :D :D

[@frogman4700]

What sucks is that Tai Chi has some cool stuff too when its trained and applied correctly in sparring, i had a guy at my dojo who trained it fro a while and that guy was able to knock me off of balance in the oddest ways that i sometimes wasnt even able to anticipate. Such a shame that this is what it looks like in china.

[@brendandubalos2149]

They let it go to waste.

[@somerandomperson8282]

Yeah he knocked you off balance in odd ways, so did my old teacher during exercises... that still can't be considered fighting or even sparring under pressured conditions. Little of it works in a real fight.

[@frogman4700]

@@somerandomperson8282 no this was in sparring conditions, for example i would go in for a one two and somehow end up falling foreward, he was messing with my balance by compromising it when i engaged with him. The cool part was that this wasnt applied in a controlled setting where i wasnt resisting, it was when we were doing "free form" or sparring, these techniques did work under pressure.

[@somerandomperson8282]

@@frogman4700 What does "sparring conditions" mean? Contact sparring with pads? I still get the impression it was soft/light-semi contact sparring.

[@frogman4700]

@@somerandomperson8282 controlled full speed sparring, we usually don't do pads though. strikes are allowed to be full contact, dont hit the face with a fist only use open hand palm strikes for that. Try to be nice to the other person so no excessively painful submissions or kicks to the balls. Basically full contact but with awareness of your opponent and no actively trying to fuck them up or seriously injure them.

[@Speculativedude]

The boxer is being careful and measuring his punches. He is throwing strong punches, but also focused and well aimed attacks, not wasting any movement unlike the Tai Chi "master" that is flailing and doesn't seem to know how to defend himself at all.

[@Mark-gn5rw]

The footwork of kickboxer is so nice!! Footwork is underestimated in training..I spent 3 months only footwork. Grr..paid off in long run tho. Helps you strike. And more importantly? Helps you stay on your feet when you catch a hardpunch.. Great fight thnx!! Good commentary too!!

[@yussuqmadiq5274]

I do hope that it would be Vale Tudo rules.

[@FightCommentary]

That would be 3 second KO right there.

[@diddlypoop]

I don't know why everyone's ragging on the Tai Chi guy, he's obviously a master at his craft. Look at how he effortlessly deflects the boxer's punches with his face. Defensive genius.

[@gatti493]

can see this boxer is experienced , he moves in with his hooks off his slips , loads of head movement

[@philipvjones397]

What is he a master of? Getting hit? He couldn't even throw a jab.

[@peteryang8991]

I actually think he probably know boxing, but he just insist on wanting to use Tai Chi to defeat Xu. Because Taiwan got compulsory military service and in the army they are trained in TKD, Chinese boxing (which is very similar to MMA) and kick boxing. So, I think he know those boxing skills he just want to use Tai Chi to win to prove it is a valid fighting style. But I think that is going to be very hard, Tai Chi is design mainly for health not combat, you can use it as basic self defense, if you are trained in that manner, but, it won't work very well in the ring.

[@philipvjones397]

@@peteryang8991 Whatever he was doing, it didn't work. The man could have got seriously hurt.

[@peteryang8991]

@@philipvjones397 Maybe, I like to give him the benefit of the doubt consider despite Tai Chi isn't design for combat, but design for health, they are still using martial art to serve the purpose of mild base health exercise. But, if the purpose is for health, a lot of what the style use is no good in a fight and some might have transformed into something that can no longer be use in combat, but I do like to give him the benefit of the doubt, despite it seem non optimistic. Hopefully with sufficient combat training he can actually use it in combat, even if it is not very effective.

[@sephf4958]

For someone who does Sanda Kung Fu, I really enjoy watching your channel and observing these other style of martial arts! Keep it up! :)

[@sarahlee3056]

Sanda/ Sanshou is the modern day Chinese Kung fu. It’s effective

[@sephf4958]

@@sarahlee3056 After training for 3 years now I can't agree more with you!

[@actionpants3138]

It’s almost always best to stick to what your good at but know what you’re weak to and try to mitigate those weaknesses, ie if you’re a kickboxer that’s best with punch combinations, stick with those, but know that bjj and wrestling exists, that doesn’t mean you need to learn wrestling, in fact it’s probably a terrible idea to try to just outwrestle someone who specializes in it. but it would be very useful to know how to stuff a guard and keep the fight on your feet

[@mrwookie72]

He's very good at blocking punches with his head!!

[@utubeyelper]

I can’t watch this.. major props for him just getting in ring.. he has no offense, defense doesn’t even hold up to amateur boxers.. He will die against beginning mma people.. Evolve, adapt or die

[@thedoubtfuls]

I agree props for stepping in the ring so many times. At least hes staying in the game

[@curledup]

You gotta do some Lomachenko fight analysis with Rob.

[@Weslyegful]

They should make this a tourist attraction when you go to china. Fight a kung fu master for a dollar

[@robinlavoie3467]

Hahaha why dont you have more likes

[@rigakushi6168]

I see. I heard Lee Ming this name. But this is the first footage I saw with related with him.

[@This_is_fun144]

Lol this match was too funny. Tai chi dude got lit up

[@Gieszkanne]

After seeing his sparring I dont understand how he get to the idea that he is a match fur Xu.

[@gruffrossi5420]

Spot on

[@RobWatt]

That was quick! Just this morning we recorded this!

[@Gottacacheemalll]

Nice

[@empyreal2361]

@Rob Watt when fighting someone at long range do you keep the jabbing hand out a bit more, or do you keep your hands close to your face regardless of distance?

[@RobWatt]

@@empyreal2361 see loma , thats my textbook

[@empyreal2361]

@@RobWatt I agree loma is one of my top 3 favorite boxers to watch because of how different and smooth his movements are. In terms of his hands it does seem like he keeps it out a bit more at the long range.

[@warpeace4058]

Regardless of his style he definitely has heart man! I bet if he was a kickboxer or mma fighter he would be tough as nails to fight!!!

[@kosal00111]

Him training a few months to fight our Winter Panda? Come on, Jerry? You want him killed or what?

[@zzajizz]

I have always maintained that the only person I know of (on youtube) who spars effectively with tai chi is Liang De Hua who is based in Thailand.

[@canaldesugestoesa6651]

this will end badly, these masters will find a guy, who will really fight for real, and will end up in the hospital, or even worse.

[@canaldesugestoesa6651]

@@kungpowchickenwing it may even be that, the idea is very cool, but if not, it will keep getting beaten.

[@Aniontedone]

Boxing hand technique has always been better that the hands of some martial artist.

[@reverendfry6088]

Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth, MT.

[@donkey7196]

Li Ming:Kitty fist!!! (Physical damage:0.1)

[@1individeo]

Why is always Rob eating in every single video? Not all of them because in others he is drinking. But most videos Rob is eating. Why?

[@peterwang5660]

Because this shit doesn't deserve his full attention

[@ShinFahima]

He's busy training his own no-touch kung-fu when he's not filming videos.

[@gabegabriel9288]

Man's hungry

[@gopronomad4381]

This is fun...

[@josephh.lalruatkima9387]

It's better when Jerry is alone commenting a fight without his friends

[@sheogorath1524]

He should definitely train in boxing, but not challenge xu xiaodong. Xu Xiaodong is terrifying.

[@RamonChiNangWong078]

I guess everyone wants to be famous anyway or lose face at the same time

[@zackzack2469]

That Taiwanese Tai Chi "master" is just going to get himself KO in seconds if it is going to be a real fight and not just sparring....

[@erichahn6450]

Tao Chi guy is using house cat style boxing for catnip

[@sibsart2039]

As long as you can keep going and put yourself in the ring against real fighters, you’ll grow as one.

[@frank63]

Oh another few second fight. It is clear he never sparred or fight ever in his life. That pendulum fist infront of his face was ridiculous. Time it well n one big ko punch could easily knock him out!!!

[@caiobruno8006]

He deserves a lot of respect for putting his face out there instead of just making claims and actually pressure-testing his technique Too bad he's a bit too late now, if this was what he had done since he was younger, he could have been a great - and real - Tai Chi master

[@davidwebb4234]

What you don't understand is that the tai chi master was yielding the boxers punches, generating the boxer force against himself. After the fight was over the boxer started bleeding from his nose and ears from internal damage.

[@stephen9280]

Taichi wouldnt work with gloves though, or am i wrong?

[@sattoriemei3210]

I think this is tai chi master's waking up moment. I don't think he's going to go through with fighting Xu Xiao Dong.

[@kannakamui2334]

At least this guy had the courage to get up and actually challenge people instead of not showing anything until Xu Xiaodong challenges them. I don't see this guy taking him though, his defense is feeble and he shows little striking power. He does have some good endurance though at least for his age, but he'd need some Homer Simpson level level chin to not get his ass clapped by Xu Xiaodong and looking like he fell off a train afterwards.

[@neolindell3604]

even i with 3 lessons in MMA, was half waiting for a sweep

[@naveenbhattacharya8227]

it looked like they were doing mitts work

[@xlukas93]

The second guy fight literally looks like experienced boxer punching a bag. There is no resistance whatsoever, or guard or anything, its like fighting one of those rubber dolls.

[@elcidgaming]

Tai Chi guy obviously holding back..He doesnt even use his chi blast 😁

[@dayman161172]

Hadoooken!

[@elcidgaming]

@@dayman161172 EXACTLY! how.can he hadoken with Gloves on!?😁

[@ericmoody3944]

Are these guys really little or is the ring huge?

[@FightCommentary]

Probably small fighter

[@rolandotillit2867]

Tai chi guy looks like he's never thrown a punch in his life.

[@jerumd]

I don't think this Thai Chi guy will stand a chance against Xu Xiaodong. The way he spar with that boxer on white is hilarious! Lol!

[@soulinx8584]

After watchin' this video Im not sure where the master got the confidence to fight Xu?

[@KazeShikamaru]

Learn boxing and pray for this guy.

[@fivetengarage2867]

Li Ming looks like a guy at my work who got fired for stealing batteries.

[@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv]

I think the tai chi guy was relying on the size of his gloves to protect him.

[@DaFlashGuy7]

You sure they aren't actually Chai Tea practitioners? It's an easy mistake to make.

[@bradcollins5078]

Boxing beats all

[@TheMATEMAGICIAN]

l smell a ko coming this guy's way full speed

[@kickinbackinOC]

Before he fights Xu, he should practice his RunFu.

[@firstamerican2]

Tai Chi Master (?) does not have the common sense to know he NO SKILLs for actual in ring fighting. He should NOT go into the ring with someone like Xu Xiaodong who will not hold back. The first boxer was young and was being very nice and non aggressive.

[@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s]

AH Jerry, you know too well that this Chai Tea master is going to a hospital in a body bag if he's that crazy to challenge Xu Xiaodong.

[@mtower235]

Dudes gonna take a beating. His right leg is begging for a kick or a sweep. It’s good to test your “skill” but this art ain’t for fighting.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep

[@brendandubalos2149]

@@FightCommentary It's a supplemental art. Honestly these fools should just learn boxing and mix it up with taekwondo. Karate in its truest form is just brutal boxing with a few kicks after all.

[@sattoriemei3210]

Haha! Xu Xiaodong just posted a video an hour ago regarding this Li Ming. Theres evidence that Li Ming is not even native Taiwanese, but is from mainland China, from Hanzou. What a fraud. If he lies about something as simple as where he's from, you cannot trust anything about him.

[@FightCommentary]

Wow! Thanks for the info!

[@thornados4969]

TaiChi is for inner strength with slow movement exercise. How they believe it can transfer to combat fighting is beyond belief.

[@benbrill1384]

Even though the tai chi guy may not be good, ill give him credit for being able to take a hit

[@CuongBui-ms3wp]

Boxer has prominent technique balance.

[@Head318Hunter]

HAHAHAHAHA I LOVE THIS CHANNEL So many delusional "masters" out there

[@Hexenhammer]

Tai chi practitioners need to stick to looking like crazy people in public parks. Tai Chi is old lady exercise, not a martial art. It's embarrassing for everyone involved.

[@Hexenhammer]

@John Smith in no way is that analogy applicable. None of these fighters are on Mike Tyson's level and Tai Chi is still a shit system. Gtfo.

[@dk7541]

Even if you get your foot to the outside, the guy inside can still light you up.

[@Groomsman]

Tai chi guy would need a miracle if he wants to beat Xu

[@SThrillz]

I don't know what's going on, does tai Chi not have punching? It's one thing for your tai Chi to suck in fighting and a completely different thing to not have a clue where you are

[@circulationsolutions9149]

Boxing Gloves are for Boxing... Taiji requires softness and subtlety to perform and use. Many Taiji skills translate to Boxing, but without the many hours of hitting mits and people, it's difficult to compete competently.

[@VegetoStevieD]

Yang Tai Chi needs more Yang cultivation.

[@mehmetbekir444]

The problem is that the arts dint spar and have lost knowledge of application the principles of taichi can be martial but most just have lost the knowledge and dont train to fight

[@richardbell1614]

Tai chi is a breathing exercise to help improve your breathing and energy flow. You CAN NOT use this in no competition. Maybe for the average guy on the street if you're attacked but when your in the ring , even with a amateur fighter that fighter will knock you out.

[@therealkungfu6175]

If you really want to test tai chi why don't you go to the Wudang temple and tell me if Xu Xiaodong won

[@bantakkor8039]

So... You advise someone who wants to prove that his tai chi works... to learn boxing. Doesn't that kind of sabotage the whole idea of showing that tai chi works? ;) Everyone knows boxing works. If you pair anything with boxing, yoga for example, you can suddenly claim yoga is a practical combat sport, all you need to do is learn boxing as well...

[@petrikoukkula9066]

Actually I would say that yoga would help with most (real) combat sports so not a bad idea!

[@steelmongoose4956]

Don't knock it. Since I incorporated boxing into my pinochle style, I'm the terror of the old folks' home.

[@wolf3001]

The main problem I see with most traditional styles is that they don't spar realistically or train with other styles. I feel like most would benifit greatly if they could incorporate some of the training of Boxing. Im not talking about changing the art only incorporating some of the training and actually sparring. If given the chance I would totally try working my Wing Chun in a Boxing gym. I think it would make a huge difference in my skill. However I would want to wear the fingerless MMA gloves. I tried Boxing gloves and you can't use techniques very well with those.

[@brendandubalos2149]

@@wolf3001 Real karate is just more hardcore boxing with kicks.

[@shichikitazaki9428]

@@brendandubalos2149 its depends on how you used it

[@TheHailstorm77]

Master Wong explained that TCMA will not work against an experienced boxer. This boxer although an amateur, clearly has good technique and stance. You have to appreciate the fact that he threw himself in the ring to test himself. This is a wake up call for him. Wide stance can work as I’ve seen in both Karate and Kung Fu matches but it depends on the practitioner and how they effectively counter or check the low back leg kicks etc.

[@TheHailstorm77]

John Smith No, I just haven’t seen anyone using real tai chi in a full contact match. It just doesn’t work. It only works if you mix with hard and soft Kung fu. Just using Tai Chi itself against a professional boxer will not work. Unless, that TCMA can really demonstrate really good skills. So far, no masters of TCMA have demonstrated in public in a real fight other than compliant students.

[@TheHailstorm77]

John Smith Well, I did say you need to learn both hard and soft KF skills then you can apply Taiji/Taichi to fighting. Just learning Tai Chi itself and trying to apply in a real sparring match or a real fight situation just doesn’t work.Which is why Bagua was created and XingYi. In full contact situation everybody either boxes or kicks. Nobody does straight up animal styles or Tai Chi fighting. You know why? The Art has change. A lot of the traditional martial arts moves do work not saying it doesn’t. However, if you’re a Tai Chi expert, you better know how to block, counter and neutralize somebody that either punches and kicks really fast and hard. Other than that, there has never been any recorded history of actual full contact fights with fighters using only Tai Chi. Have you seen any? Show me a clip. There’s only few masters I’ve seen in an old 1950s Wailing and flailing their arms and that’s it. Even at professional KF tournaments I’ve been to and seen. I have never seen any top Tai Chi schools with their students winning undefeated matches or score the best. It’s always Southern Shaolin Schools that beat Karate, Taekwondo, a Muay Thai, Bando, Burma, and yes Tai Chi schools. Tai Chi is a very good art to help you relax in fights but does it stand a lone as the only art that works in real life fighting situations? Nope! Let’s keep it real man. Majority of these masters are fake and hold only a title to their degree and have never fought in a real life situation or even allow a student to test his skills, without being compliant or complacent. I already have a lot of respect to learn. I myself have taken Tai Chi Chuan but already learned the hard style Southern Shaolin but after digging some info. There’s a lot of soft incorporated into some Southern Shaolin for a reason. Back then, both Wu Dang and Shaolin combined their arts to fight the Manchurian government of the Qing/Ching Dynasty.

[@cartmanrlsusall]

The boxer is dominating the chi guy

[@markchan8110]

For a so called Taiji master to wear a boxing glove and fight like boxer is already totally wrong.