Why I Built A Surron In 2024?!

[@stephendenlinger2084]

Thanks!

[@Talariaboys]

Wow, thank you!

[@rwolfcastle]

I loved my Talaria so much I kept it once i got my Ultra Bee. Reality was I didnt touch my Talaria once i had a taste of the Ultra, especially after 21/18's and some cockpit mods. The weight doesnt bother me as much as I would have thought, and i can still ghost my buddies in the wood gas or electric. I just sold my Talaria to my best friend for $2,500 who is totally vibing on it. Makes my heart happy knowing he enjoys it as much as I once did. I think people get to caught up in marketing, or which is the best. Which is pointless. The best bike is the one you can ride right now. Ride what you enjoy, stay shreddy, and spread the love! P.S. Great video as always!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for sharing! You absolutely nailed the point of not worrying so much about which bike is best and just ride what you have or can afford. That's how we act when we aren't filming haha. We just pick a bike and go out and have a blast!

[@bullxt4614]

Why you built a surron is cause honestly you guys love to ride and rideing bikes makes you feel free and it takes Whatever is on your mind if bad takes it away and just nothing but pure fun with your buddies ,and letting it rip no matter what the bike is I dare any body say cap 🧢 unless they’re haters of the talatia budds

[@Talariaboys]

Nailed it!

[@pitbiketrainingprogram3311]

Talapia we call them😅

[@bullxt4614]

@@pitbiketrainingprogram3311 😅yo what ever novacanes your bubble 🫧

[@rproductions214]

TOP SPEED RUN!

[@tonysurber9111]

Your a good rider dude. Maintaining exactly the right balance to not wheelie, while maintaining minimal rear tire spin on a short wheelbase bike is not easy. I have basically the same bike, except that i use a fox airshock on the back, and I am running a K.O. moto motor. And I am only running 18kw which I find is really powerful. Oh, and I use the K.O. extended swingarm.

[@PatOutdoors]

Yes, definitely shoot to beat the 102 MPH record. Would love to see if it would get close so it could inspire me to build something similar. Thanks for all the informative content

[@musicbox4022]

This is EXACTLY what I’ve been preaching for years!! Great job!! You guys are awesome.

[@KarmaCorner]

Good video, questions regarding sponsorship of build, true cost in comparison to out of the box alternatives, choices made & why. Looking forward to upcoming videos👍🏆

[@freshseeker]

what was the total retail cost of everything? anything stock aside from the frame? range?

[@Talariaboys]

Roughly $17,000 all said and done retail wise. Only stock parts are main frame, tail light, some batteky compartment plastics and the jack shaft, which will be changing soon.

[@TechLineHD]

Amazing content as always!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@ionflow1073]

I can understand why you'd build a custom Sur Ron from scratch. It gives you the opportunity to build what YOU want. The early motorcyclist used to get what they called "basket cases" and they would build them in their living rooms or tool sheds. It gives you an intimate relationship with your bike that no one riding a production bike will ever understand. It's as pure and honest as one can get. Great job guys!

[@Talariaboys]

Exactly! Thanks for watching

[@CoolWatts]

Yep. And that's exactly why I did a frame up build from scratch this winter.

[@ionflow1073]

@@CoolWatts very nice. That's something to be proud of. You should do a video of it.

[@CoolWatts]

@@ionflow1073 😉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5bIY4d6e51res0si=jniN8emZriB36hyH

[@Jamminn555]

First of all, incredible opening drone shots - WOW. Totally get what you guys were going for with this build. Love to see a upgraded Talaria and/or Surron Ultra Bee. Cheers, gents. Ben

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks man!

[@itreat2016]

Definitely interested in a braking system specific comparison video would like to hear your thoughts.

[@Bengy22]

Same those Mavens look like they've got some serious power

[@Talariaboys]

Working on it

[@MidwestErider]

You're not alone Reed. I've for a broken collarbone and just had surgery a few weeks ago. Can't wait to get back outside

[@btrader3625]

I wish I had a dad that bought me every thing I pointed at also... well worth it

[@Talariaboys]

I’m glad I don’t. So much better when you earn it

[@Clutchkidd135]

We want to see this motor vs the Sotion on the talaria. Both with the ideal gearing for each motor and running the same power!

[@musicbox4022]

Definitely- I just bought a Sotion because I already have a BAC8000. But I was definitely on the fence about going full ebmx

[@Talariaboys]

We will have a drag race video soon and we will race those two bikes

[@TalairaKid]

Love your vids. Hope to see a top speed run video soon. Amazing looking bike

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@allenwind6412]

Sweet ride. You guys should put a list of places to ride out there in beautiful Utah.

[@Talariaboys]

Good idea!

[@heinz57t]

Just my 2 cents, but it would be really cool if you listed the bike parts in the description and a link to your website.

[@Talariaboys]

There is a link to our website, and on our website is a parts list for the bike, check it out here:tbelectricmoto.com/pages/our-35kw-surron-lbx-build

[@Adam.A.Higgins]

There is a video i would love to see you guys make. Your opinion on what you would personally each do with a $5000, $10,000, and $15000 budget? I agree with your philosophy of light weight over the Ultra Bee or Varg for me personally; however i am torn on which platform to go with. Leaning towards a Sting R or ERidePro, but then you guys go with a Surron for this build. How big of a deal is the loudness of the belt drive over gearbox? You guys always bring it up but never say if it is a dealbreaker if you had to choose only one bike. Is it very easy to build from the ground up, because i imagine it isnt easy finding a cheap frame?

[@Talariaboys]

Great video idea! We should do that. Full ground up builds are a ton of work, finding all the tiny parts you don't have is difficult and can take months to take care of.

[@SteveOMotos]

@@Talariaboys great video idea!

[@TehSnoik]

You guys should do a video on what bike is the best if you want a not too expensive bike that will be good for upgrading along the way. I am torn between the light bee X and talaria.. Great content, glad I found you!

[@Talariaboys]

A Talaria or a Surron would be great for that

[@JustAnotherAsianGuy2]

yeah do the 100 mph one .... i want to see that

[@Talariaboys]

Will do!

[@carlborgen]

that fpv sequence is 🔥

[@Grumm_tnt]

Id really like that fully upgraded talaria vs surron video

[@Talariaboys]

Coming in a couple months

[@Grumm_tnt]

@@Talariaboys awsome 🤙 looking forward to it

[@junkyard_dog111]

Sweet build, like always! You guys are crushing it. Love that drone footage.

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks a ton!

[@Threee_Eyez]

Bro what state are yall in, amazing trails and mountains! Thanks for sharing your video, I want to get a surron so bad, I have the cash just don't know if I want to bite the bullet or invest in my Honda Hurricane more.

[@Talariaboys]

Utah my friend, thanks for watching!

[@BoozySZN]

Awesome drone shots 👌 really enjoyed the ride! ❤

[@FluffyduckyLIVE]

nice modorcycle is it a chevy?

[@w0nd3rwitha32]

what’s the top speed?

[@glennanderson6700]

Just cancelled my talaria xxxx order. Thanks to your videos. I seen the light. Went surron lbx...reliable P.s ....thats a sick surron ❤

[@KreamyKone]

That Surron is badass, looks sweet too.

[@LarryRichelli]

I would like to see you race this Surron with Surronster's surron! I know he is a street rider but he keeps saying that he has the most powerful surron and you do too.

[@guyrandom6151]

ebmx contoller and motor better than torp500 and tmmotor ?

[@Talariaboys]

We think so!

[@luchi767]

What about the upgraded ultra bee battery? the 84v? id much prefer that

[@Talariaboys]

It’s just personal preference. I like an ultra bee for some trails and the light bee for others

[@phat56pat]

The e-bike being too loud is the only thing that I don’t agree with I think personally it sounds sick but I come from motorcycles not bikes go ride any stock dirt bike and then go ride that again you will understand ;-) great video boys!!

[@maxgordon8794]

So how fast will it go right now before you guys change wheels and gear it down, have you maxxed it out speed-wise in the current configuration?

[@Talariaboys]

We have gone at least 70 mph and there is still more in the tank. I suspect it will go around 80mph how it sits now

[@JonKelso-xk7ct]

If I had the money I would build that same bike. Crazy cool bike

[@vincenzremsperger2500]

Stoked about a top speed run. I really think that the ebmx components should outperform the torque setup.🚀

[@Talariaboys]

We agree

[@FL-Ghost1]

Should one day do a 72v titan max chi battery,ko f spec motor and ko rush controller on talaria sting r, I just got mine done pretty smooth so far only running about 9.7k rn and hit 72mph probably won’t get it faster than that until i get super moto tires,supposedly can run 35k and 1800 phase amps definitely not getting it that high tho 😂

[@xfrags8393]

Where are they riding?

[@Talariaboys]

Utah!

[@dudedigital]

I dig the build. I understand why you built it. You love power. I recently stumbled on the upcoming Havoc emoto from mysuperebike. Not sure your height, but it seems to hit all points I want as a taller/heavier dude. 91V 60Ah, 30 kW of peak power, etc.. Just trying to put it on your radar.

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for sharing

[@MiamiElectrix]

I do have a question for a guy thats never rode and of these e dirt bikes..just reg ebikes some that are as fast as like 45mph...i was curious what bike to get..weather its a surron..or talaria..i do like them both but also wld like the best one with the least maintenance as well...thanks

[@marktsarenko3943]

Which one of you got your hands on an fpv drone?

[@Talariaboys]

Lance has a profession fpv drone filming business that he has been doing for years so we pull out the drones here and there for some fun.

[@MinisurRonster07]

Love the video keep up the good work

[@phat56pat]

Lance The drone shots GOOSE BUMPS! You guys need to do that more!!

[@Talariaboys]

Yes we do! Check your texts my friend

[@BoleOntheRon]

link or description of all the mods? thanks a lot!

[@Talariaboys]

tbelectricmoto.com/pages/our-35kw-surron-lbx-build

[@norcoman876]

yep, top speed run would be my most interested video yet!!!

[@Talariaboys]

We just ordered wheels to do it!

[@TheRealMime-_-]

Please do a top speed run!

[@Talariaboys]

Deal

[@TheRealMime-_-]

@@Talariaboys 😁😁

[@outoftheboxlabz5209]

where is this ride

[@Talariaboys]

Up above the Bountiful B

[@sheridanarnold6467]

My chain drive isn’t that loud. Make sure it’s not too tight

[@Talariaboys]

Will do

[@vjexxxs7198]

btw u guys going to be shipping to Croatia from the shop any time soon u know?

[@HummerH-mo4cs]

SRAM Maven Ultimate ..??

[@Talariaboys]

Yes

[@ShiranaiOki]

I'm all ears about brakes video! Can't wait!

[@Talariaboys]

Working on it! Ordered some today

[@ady1435]

Unreallll that build is

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@MrHilltopper28]

How much horsepower does that surron have?

[@MrHilltopper28]

47? How did u get that number? That's insane for 160 pound bike

[@Talariaboys]

If you do a Kilowatt to Horsepower conversion that’s what you get. And yes it’s insane

[@claymation1066]

Definitely wanna see you beat that torp setup EBMX for the win!!

[@Talariaboys]

Soon👀

[@franklintestla9846]

Shooting with a wide lens when riding will make what your doing look amazing

[@Talariaboys]

We are shooting with a really wide lens already haha

[@Etienne85]

Glad you explained your choices and the reasons why you chose LightBee frame. Because as you mentionned Ultrabee was also an option (which I'm considering), and good point: a stark varg will at the end be cheaper. Regarding the 50lbs difference between LB and UB, would be curious knowing where the difference comes from: frame, additional battery size, bigger fork?

[@Talariaboys]

Nearly every single part on an ultra-bee is heavier than a lightbee, the wheels, tires, forks, shock, frame, battery, brakes, bars, stem, chain, sprocket. It's all heavier and adds up

[@Etienne85]

@@Talariaboys Yeah, it appears that the initial frame design and weight also influence other components. A heavier frame implies larger wheels, forks/shocks to support it, leading to increased weight and the need for larger brakes/rotors, chains, sprockets, and so forth...

[@seanp1096]

So how much did this build cost?

[@Talariaboys]

Around $17,000

[@skozzi2845]

Great build to demonstrate the potential of these machines. Q - does the longer swingarm make wheelies harder or different much? And yes to top speed run!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks man! We thought that the longer length would make it harder to wheelie but its actually not bad, just need to find the balance point but Alex got it down in only a few tries

[@jamesclark9232]

Sweet bike! I'm looking forward to the Talaria Dragon whenever it comes out.

[@Talariaboys]

It’s gonna be sweet but going to be a long time before it’s out!

[@robmccabe8736]

Let us know exactly how much that bike actually cost on another note. Rob here from Vancouver, Canada. I want to get the new ground wire tires, tube and tire Leavers. Or do you guys have a package? I don't see them on your website. I need a tire kit Thank you and please let me know

[@Talariaboys]

Bike adds up to atleast $17k We do have ground wires but don't ship them to Canada unfortunately!

[@sheridanarnold6467]

That’s what I want to do with mine. Im just mad I got the v1 x9000 controller and I paid 1300 and literally days later the v2 came out.

[@sheridanarnold6467]

And the v1 has a delay from a dead stop it lags. Hopefully if I swap the motor it will fox it

[@Talariaboys]

V1 really doesn't have hardly any difference to v2. You will still love it

[@srm6366]

Sick set up!! 🔥 i been thinking of getting a drone what kind of drone you guys use for that intro shot that was awesome

[@Talariaboys]

It is a custom build fpv racing drone, lance has a drone filming business

[@tannerpeterson6214]

I love the vids u guys are crushin it super moto Surron/super moto build would be sick!!!!

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks for the support! We ordered super moto's today

[@lyubomiryordanov9246]

guys you should try Arctic Leopard,i just purchased Cheetah EXE800 model,they are great bikes

[@Talariaboys]

We would like too!

[@luchi767]

Cuz I got the money and free time! Thanks for watchin

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks

[@scottpaton9375]

Good to see love talarias,Ive 2 I got a stark Varg but recently got an ultra bee with weight mods 12.5kw ,Ive upgraded controller battery packs motor it's pumping 21kw ,is is a powerfull sharp steering bike , storm bee ultra bee has ,starks ok bike but new flux it kills stark in way it has foitbrake n an ehandbrake engine braking I love all ebikes have 2 road going ebikes aswell n Arctic wolf is best of all but building ya own ground up is good surron is super small that bike love ya ideas keep it up so chain dive but it's driven dual chains from motor to run to sprocket on rear rim as belt drive behind left caseing as on ultra bee my next upgrade Im running a chain sprocket n changing belt drive from motor out put cheers boys keep up good work

[@13hubi13]

As good as no info or content of arctic so how do you know?

[@jondoe6618]

Damn. That thing just sounds powerful. Wish my talaria had that kind of power.

[@Talariaboys]

It can soon

[@realkidcarter]

Talarias and a Surron boys

[@jasper_of_puppets]

TS boys

[@Talariaboys]

There ya go

[@realkidcarter]

@@Talariaboys Cant wait to see the full ebmx setup in the talaria, wonder if it will be enough to convice you to switch back lol. someone just needs to make a swingarm. I bet that chain drive still doesnt compete with the smoothness of the talaria gearbox

[@mconradb]

Waiting on the EBMX swingarm for the Talaria!

[@Talariaboys]

So are we

[@Falcon-fh7ji]

U can do it!!!!!! 105mph

[@Talariaboys]

Deal!

[@jacobmiller6664]

In my opinion the double track you were riding is where a bigger more powerful bike excels. I bought a talaria for how light and agile it is, but those trails i would absolutely choose the 4 stroke. A varg would be perfect too.

[@Talariaboys]

That's fine, but I will say we went up the entire climb the other day and we passed two full sized bikes that were ripping and beat them to the top, they stopped at the top and were pretty surprised. You absolutely don't need more power either on those trails we were running less than half of what this bike can run power wise.

[@jacobmiller6664]

@Talariaboys oh yeah, you definitely don't need it, but it sure is fun to have it :) but skill will beat power, and you guys look to be good riders. For me I'm just much more comfortable on regular dirtbikes, the added weight kinda pulls you over rocky rough stuff like you were on. I only got the talaria not too long ago and I'm still searching for the foot brake on descents, but you guys helped nudge me to get one. Keep making the videos, I like em a lot, plus you seem like good family men, not the goons in other ebike videos.

[@robertmccaleb1400]

Because you guys tought me so much this is what is up telaria mx4 is looking even better because of what is to come Ebmx complete upgrade

[@BrennanSilvius-x2n]

what is its top speed?

[@unboxtheworld5869]

They havent fully tested it yet as it is currently equiped with a 64 tooth sprocket and off road tires

[@BrennanSilvius-x2n]

@@unboxtheworld5869 yeah ill bet it can go hella fast with some moto tires

[@BrennanSilvius-x2n]

@@unboxtheworld5869 they claim 100 mph kzbin.infoUpY2nI-smiA?si=jP5PTJxIIOtthZLz

[@ericatkinson83]

Intro is killer.

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@Bengy22]

Now just imagine if EBMX comes out with a 22S battery, even more power!

[@realkidcarter]

i dont think you need more than almost 50 hp on a 150 lbs bike bro

[@Talariaboys]

They are coming out with one, but i don't need more power haha

[@CoolWatts]

They are coming out with one soon.

[@Bengy22]

@@Talariaboys Still would be cool to hear your opinion and a direct comparison. I'm sure a lot of people want to know is it really worth it. Maybe Ebmx can send one over for review when they do?

[@kodak5947]

Do you think that buying a used Surron is a good option if I don’t want to spend the extra 2k where I’m from for a new I e since I’m probably going to modify it anyway

[@Talariaboys]

that's a great option if you are trying to save money. make sure you know what to look for when buying something used tho

[@ydkma]

buying a Talariah MX4 the start of June!!!!

[@realkidcarter]

tbh get a eride

[@ydkma]

@realkidcarter 5k for a bike with a belt, hell nah

[@probablytrespassing]

@@ydkma same price for a faster bike😭

[@ydkma]

@breadophiIe not even close it's an 800$ difference for me, and ill take the bike with the gearbox all day

[@realkidcarter]

@@ydkma alright, i think the eride is cool. I do have an mx4 personally though so yeah get it

[@Talariaboyjme]

Amazing video guys💯🔋❤

[@Talariaboys]

Thank you 🙌

[@Thewatched1lol]

High speed run DO IT im guessing 110mph

[@unboxtheworld5869]

I would love to see it too I know it will not beat the drag-ron gritshift built in terms of acceleration though but I would be interested in seeing what top speed it can achieve

[@Talariaboys]

Deal

[@robertmccaleb1400]

13x42 you should reach speeds of over 115 miles an hour I think

[@telcomracing]

🎉Just a footnote. Your reviews are excellent and at a very high level. Why is the level of personal protection of the video presenters not at the same standard? Is it possible that a crash with an electric motorcycle is less painful/dangerous than gasoline?

[@como1loco]

WIth my X9000 + Torp Motor + EMBX 72v 57ah I can do power wheelies at 90kmh, my weight is 95kg but even than it power wheele, love ebmx products Btw amazing videos

[@telcomracing]

Can u be so kind and put this awesome bike on scale

[@Talariaboys]

167 lbs

[@musicbox4022]

Did you leave the .75 link or go back to zero?

[@Talariaboys]

We are testing the zero now but lance and Alex like the .75 rise better

[@ezuoop]

your so lucky you have these nice mountans bro😭

[@Talariaboys]

I know!

[@ButteredUpToast]

If love to see you guys try to take the speed record. Would make for great content creating a competition for the fastest

[@Talariaboys]

Deal!

[@graydenhasty8628]

Super sweet

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks!

[@Mr_emoji]

Intro music name

[@Talariaboys]

Ark by shipwreck and zoo keepers

[@Marrk117]

Do the top speed!

[@Talariaboys]

We ordered wheels today to do it

[@Talaria567]

Brake vid asap!

[@Talariaboys]

We are working on it but it will probably be atleast a month

[@Talaria567]

Checking in on the brake video…hope you get to check out a few more big brake kits prior to releasing the video!

[@dannyhays5345]

Total build cost please 🙏🏽

[@Talariaboys]

Around $17000

[@dannyhays5345]

@@Talariaboysholly s**t. Well awesome build. Wish I could afford one. Thanks for the info. Great video.

[@troygiles5348]

Top speed!

[@bretts7085]

Yea Buddy... Top Speed Run..........................

[@Talariaboys]

Yea buddy

[@sotheamam1244]

Nice place to ride

[@robertmccaleb1400]

And yes I understand that is why I want complete components information before I purchase a new bike no a telaria Ebmx motor

[@robertmccaleb1400]

Whoops don’t see well before I purchase a new bike on telaria and ebmx motors my spelling is kinda bad

[@robertmccaleb1400]

That’s what happens when you have had to many head injuries so please ware body armor and a helmet

[@bigkick86]

Because EVERYTHING is available for the "RON"!

[@Talariaboys]

Dang straight

[@timpalmiter1606]

Hey guys. Can anyone tell me their thoughts on upgrading a surron vs upgrading a talaria? Love the idea of this beefy motor. Also love the idea of being able to tow a bike camper behind me (with two hub motors as the trailer wheels). Im an ebike newbie watching videos to learn more aboit my best options. Can anyone offer insights? :) cheers

[@Talariaboys]

Both really do have the same options available apart from the best motor we discuss in this video is only available for surron but unless your trying to run more than 25kw which sounds like you aren't than a Talaria will be just as good. With towing in mind id pick a talaria because of its gearbox which is more robust instead of a belt on a Surron

[@timpalmiter1606]

@Talariaboys thank you for the insight about the gearbox being better for towing!! That was exactly what I was looking for. Just for reference, what is the most powerful motor money can buy on a talaria sting r?

[@Talariaboys]

@@timpalmiter1606 currently it’s this: but this will be beat in a couple months. darwinev.com/product/sotion-motor-upgrade-talaria-electric-motorbike/

[@timpalmiter1606]

@@Talariaboys Amazing. Thank you so much for the info. You guys absolutely earned a sub. Will look for updates. Have a beautiful day 🌲

[@Ubergamer256]

100+mph on that sounds like a death sentence. Theres no way in hell that would be stable.

[@Talariaboys]

We will find out, this bike feels so much better and beefier than a stock one though. And had a much longer wheelbase of course. Plus is will have street supermoto wheels.