Tales From The Pizzaplex IS In The Games Timeline || FNaF Theory

[@michaelraymon111]

I need to point out also something being a parallel doesnt mean its in a different universe. As a matter of fact 99 percent of the time its in the same universe as a story telling techinques.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

Yeah I said that

[@michaelraymon111]

​@@ImpulseEvan37hell yeah

[@fiveplussixequals]

might i also point out that just because there’s parallels *doesn’t* necessarily mean that they’re connected cuz yea you con point out things that happen in the books and games but what about the things that aren’t.. like in the original novel trilogy they have a shit ton of connections to ruin with literally having a glowing mushroom place in both which is random as hell especially when i’m the books the mushroom place is where afton kills his victims he lured away.. except afton has been dead for years and burntrap might not even be around soo you see how it gets messy when you say that two things happened twice so it’s the same sorry ik this is long i’m just saying like try talking about the things we don’t see and explain those away without saying “well it says the tree from tiger rock was removed but there’s no evidence of the removal, BUT IN THE GAMES OWN VIDEO GAME IT SHOWS A TREE SO *BOOM* it mustve been real excuse me for not being convinced

[@adammartinez8061]

Like Andrew Parallel’s Cassidy. It’s a story telling technique. Is The Vengeful spirit despises William. Is Andrew the one you should not have killed???? Maybe, Some Frights are meant to be fillers and solve answers.

[@dragonborn7955]

Why do people miss the detail that Edwin was GIVEN the Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, and, Foxy costumes to put on the endoskeletons he was also GIVEN by Fazbear Entertainment? Fazbear Entertainment literally told him to build the endoskeletons and put the costumes on them.

[@gojiron]

Edwin very possibly created the Toys, since Henry was the one who created the classics, we are also told that Edwin left the job half done, which would explain why Mangle is incomplete.

[@DarkShadic9632]

@@gojironMangle is incomplete because it was torn apart and put back together by kids. We are told that verbatim by Phone Guy.

[@gojiron]

@@DarkShadic9632 It is easily disassembled because it is incomplete, if all the Toys were easy to disassemble then the children would have disassembled them all.

[@BelleVEX]

Yes, you get it!

[@rishinsenguptagoddestroyer5024]

Fax

[@syweb2]

6:40 Sun implies through "we need to be whole" that Eclipse is actually the _default_ state of Sun and Moon. I personally prioritize what the games say over the books and just chalk it up to there not being great communication between Steel Wool and Scholastic. 14:48 As Sire Squawks pointed out, it physically does not have enough joints to have that many legs. The Mimic in Ruin doesn't swap the locations of its pieces, and its function as described in other parts of Tales just mentions expanding and contracting limbs, not swapping parts and creating brand-new limbs.

[@blanktester]

"Not a problem with TalesGames, more a problem with Tales" is a good way to put it. My resistance to TalesGames has always been with the logistics and reasonableness of the Tales stories, but you make some really compelling points. The fact that regardless of similarity to Edwin and Henry, they both must exist in the books is a good point. Good video!

[@itselizauwu]

I love the idea of the books taking place in the games. It makes them more interesting to me as I never really cared much for the original book series since I knew it was disconnected from the games. What I don’t like is how major lore reveals are in the books, if you played ruin you would have no clue who the “mimic” is if you didn’t read the books and playing through security breach I always wondered who Gregory even was and we got no backstory reveals for him later on in the game the only way you can learn about Gregory if you wanted to is to buy a book… this creates a paywall for lore which I don’t like I prefer it when the books build the world of the pizzaplex allowing us to learn interesting details about the pizzaplex and the history of it, for example learning about past attractions that have been removed is so cool to me and I love the stories that come with them. That’s just my opinion though I just don’t have the money to buy all 50 FNAF books ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Songal18]

I'm glad that the books from Tales do actually have connection to Security Breach/Ruin in a more direct way.

[@tonyf4991]

Actually they don't if you go back to Help Wanted and Special Delivery.

[@sliltury2418]

Great job!!! Your on your way to becoming a top FNAF theorist. I definitely agree with your points. And at the very least if they are not, creating theories and having fun with creating theories is the best part of FNAF. Keep up the great work!

[@piercelindenberg6842]

The AR version of the Atrium (where we go between server rooms) has a massive Pirate’s Cove stage and curtain in it that also looks a lot like the Storyteller tree.

[@v1ct0rygames32]

Actually if you compare the layout between sb and ruin (it's very loose but just go with me) the server room would actually be rockstar row. The curtain would be used to represent backstage.

[@piercelindenberg6842]

@@v1ct0rygames32 why can’t it be both?

[@Funhaus_Fr34k]

I believe that all of tales AND all of frights are canon to the games, as I believe the whole thing scott said about some frights books not being connected DIRECTLY to the games just meant that it wouldn't take place the same as the games, which we see in stories like fetch that don't seem to be directly connected to the games as their premise is isolated from pretty much everything games-wise, but still is important in the concepts it introduces, & the fact that fetch is possessed meaning we have slightly more insight into how possessed objects work

[@ImpulseEvan37]

the issue with that is that some frights stories like coming home and what we found dont work in the games under any circumstances

[@ennard1789]

​​​@@ImpulseEvan37technically they can work as a novelization of a certain events. Like yeah, there are inconsistencies but its only to make story more interesting, because no one would be interested in reading about a dude surviving for whole 6 nights sitting in his office. So they can work not as a direct canon story, but as a retelling or reimagination of these events. -This is the while reason I believe HudsonGuard but that's besides the point lol- And some of the inconsistencies are just writers fucking up probably lmao.

[@vincentmorris8431]

In addition to the yellow Chica, was Bonnie's depiction on his bowling icon before Ruin released. No bangles, shoulder pads or face paint like the other Glamrocks have among their cutouts. Most different they got was Monty without shades, mermaid Chica and Roxy in a jacket. This gave Rye Toast an idea that the Pizzaplex once had a FNAF 1 roster. Back then, Freddy and Chica sang while Bonnie played guitar. Foxy was secluded to his smaller stage and only really shown with the 3 with the Rockstars (and On Tour). I had a hunch Roxy may've been with the 3 as their 4th given her In Space 2 cameo and Foxy would be a side attraction in Kid's Cove. With Chica being refrained from singing due to the voicebox experiment, I speculated she *did* once sing and following this, she was made the guitarist and Bonnie was put on bass. With that in mind, the timeline would go: Freddy, guitarist Bonnie, yellow singing Chica, and Roxy - Chica's voicebox experiment leads to a changing of instruments (and maybe her going mostly mute as she never said anything before we distract her), then Monty replaced Bonnie as bass player (as he's in the story with the yellow Chica), then at some point she's redesigned white. Ruin threw in some contradictions... the gondala segment starting Chpt 3 shows the Glamrock band pre Monty, but Chica was was white (and it *is* a new cutout not seen in base SB). As well as that one of her in a dress (and no bangles) alongside cowboy Foxy assuming they are related.

[@michaelraymon111]

I think its cleae that henry and edwin are parallels. Both creating robots mwant to do good thst end up soing harm , baby and mimic. Doesnt mean they have to be in different universes. Its to create a story telling theme

[@aidan5648]

the tendon looking parts of mimics legs are definitely just burnt wires

[@janrafhael2885]

Agreed, but the Mimic itself wasn't burned, Mimic02 is.

[@aidan5648]

@@janrafhael2885 youre right so its likely rust not char

[@janrafhael2885]

@@aidan5648 It used to be shiny when it was built by Edwin, but as time went by, it wasn't.

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

1. Happy B Day 2. I agree with everything but i still due think Edwin is a Henry parallel as Henry was said to actually dislike being reminded of Charlie but couldn't bring himself to harm the child version as that's who he knows in reality while the adult version is completely his take on adult Charlie and that's why he lashed out at it. What this means is that Edwin lashing out at the Mimic endo after seeing it do what his child does parallels exactly what Henry feels about the adult Charlie which is made to act as Charlie. The Mimic and Adult Charlie are both hated and beaten for them being seen as a replacement by it's creator for their lost child and are left behind and taken from their birth place meaning their is a connection somewhat. Plus Edwin being a single parent can just be a symbolism for Charlie basically living with Henry at Fredbear's and Freddy's as Henry has always been the one seen to take care of Charlie in the games. Plus the Novels are obliviously non canon to the games, just based off them. So Henry even having a wife at the time of Charlie's death may not even be in the games like how Sammy isn't in the games or the timeline events being out of order and not lining up with what we know in the games

[@ImpulseEvan37]

The idea wasn't that he disliked the idea of bringing charlie back but that he was driving himself so insane in doing so that he let out that insanity on the final charliebot, and scrapped it because his insanity was fueling it and it was "wrong" Henry is never the one seen taking care of Charlotte in the games. He literally appears once and calls her his daughter and says he couldn't protect her. That doesn't indicate at all that he's the only one who takes care of her. And if Henry's family is different in the games (which i see no reason it should be) then Edwin isn't paralleling the book Henry and therefore there's no parallels to the recreation of their child idea, and if he's paralleling the book henry then the family doesn't match at all. Plus Charlotte doesn't even die outside in the books, she dies in a room with her brother as a witness. If Edwin is paralleling BOTH versions of Henry, then there's no reason certain elements should be how people suggest they are in the games, like Baby being the Mimic

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

@@ImpulseEvan37 fair enough, though Edwin at least being based off Henry is undeniable

[@chaoraiser2338]

honestly i don't mind being called in denial this time well even tho i never have been but like fr i really don't like the idea of Andrew having anything to do with golden Freddy unless its a different golden freddy or something because its basically been confirmed with cassidy and stuff and i just like that idea more just being bias tbh but still i think if he was around he shouldn't just be a cassidy he kinda works as a stichwraith especially with jake just knowing how their story ends it's kinda bummer because they definitely could have been more honestly i like the idea of a stichline games i just don't want it to be a golden freddy thing i don't mind 2 spirits in either i just don't like andrew being apart of the vengeful spirit and the one you should not have killed i also think ucn just being in Williams head in a hospital is so just why because it's not that great of story telling imo its just kinda bad

[@vrt0racle306]

Yeah, I'm gonna continue to be in denial on this one until Scott actually clarifies this or clears it up which knowing him would most likely be never

[@chaoraiser2338]

@@vrt0racle306 yeah i mean i a few things i agree with but example like micheal trying to stop his father idk its probably just a head canon thing rn that people like idk if it was ever confirmed tho

[@tonyf4991]

​@@chaoraiser2338you're not in denial. There are no "multiple spirits" inside of Golden Freddy. Ever since the books came out, fans and theorists alike have quite literally and blatantly ignored what is said and shown in the games. In both FNAF & FNAF 2, it is explicitly shown that Golden Freddy is not a real animatronic and is actually a ghost. So how could multiple spirits be involved? It is also shown through Pizzeria Simulator and Ultimate Custom Night that Cassidy and the Vengeful spirit are one and the same person, who is also Golden Freddy.

[@chaoraiser2338]

@@tonyf4991 well tbh I do think golden Freddy had to Spirits I just meant I didn't like the idea of Andrew being one of them and Golden Freddy being ghostly well I mean yeah but he is real there was 5 kids after all she was stuffed into him but I think the ghost like just teleporting wherever we know it is technically real and there at least in FNAF 2 unless its just a heart attack thing from getting jumpscared which is very unlikely then yeah he is there and real just with more power and the books as a discussion well I mean your not wrong but Scott did also say that they would add on to the story was not fully canon in the game universe aside from a few certain occasions and let's be real there wasn't only one retcon charlie use to be a male help wanted changed a few things those things well idk I just heard about but yeah so two spirits being involved could also be a uncomfirmed yet retcon I do think two spirits are there but if not I'm perfectly fine with that tbh as long as it's not just cc was the vengeful spirit which makes no sense then yeah I'm good but I get your point

[@captainniiue1988]

While I do think that TftP is in the games' continuity, I think that my (and a lot of other people's problem) with it is that we don't want to have to read books to know what's going on in the games. The books were fine before as they acted more as clarifications on things we either already knew or things we were unsure about (foxybro being Michael comes to mind), and that information could spread throughout the community naturally. The difference now is that if the tales books take place in the games' continuity, that means a whole chunk of the story is locked behind having to read a bunch of stories of varying quality, which is not something myself or many others want to have to do, we want to be able to figure things out solely using evidence in the games. If anything this whole debate about whether Tales is in the games or not has been really showing how bad the current state of the FNaF franchise is. When we don't have enough information as set in stone fact, it leads to people having to make theories that rely on other theories being true. Tales being in the games or not shouldn't have to be a theory, because it just makes theorizing about the games way harder for no reason. This was a problem that started with stitchline games, which while it wasn't as widespread as talesgames, was certainly a prevailing theory at the time (although I'm not sure about the current state of it). I think overall I'm also just really disappointed in the current state of the FNaF theorist community, as there have been a lot more unnecessary flamewars than there ever have been, and too many people stating things as being absolute undeniable fact when the whole point of a theory is that it isn't a fact, there may be a lot of evidence supporting it but there's no proof. It doesn't help that a lot of misinformation about the books has been spread online, and people making theories about the books (and book leaks) without actually citing their source on where they got their information. It's just really sad to see, as someone who's been a fan of FNaF for a very long time I really just want to see this community get better and see the franchise get better. Sorry for the whole essay lmao, I feel really strongly about this

[@derrickdaniels3955]

No don't be sorry, I agree and share the same sentiments on everything here.

[@irladovelasquez975]

I understand that you but you also need to understand that the tales have some connections to security breach and the books literally the tales books has been confirmed to be canon according to scott himself

[@fiveplussixequals]

⁠​⁠@@irladovelasquez975dude it’s also misinformed people like this cuz no the books have never been confirmed, and while some people say it like this “now even tho the books haven’t been confirmed, they haven’t been rejected from being canon” like yea that’s all true but you’re leading people into a specific direction without even saying evidence yet. but yes that’s also true, they haven’t been confirmed or rejected from canonicity, the facts still stand: the books have never been confirmed to be canon by scott or any reliable source (cuz we don’t know what scholastic’s knows and doesn’t know). and while we probably have enough info to figure it out, it’s just difficult cuz one minute you have a direct call out to the games and then another you have sea bonnie’s and shit soo -__-

[@vrt0racle306]

I definitely agree that certain parts of the fan base being prevented from figuring out the lore is pretty dumb and definitely part of the reason I don't like TalesGames. But I wouldn't necessarily go as far to say that the theory community is bad. Mainly because, if anything, the theory community is thriving with more and more different KZbin theorists popping up all the time instead of everyone just relying on MatPat (although don't get me wrong, I love MatPat and he doesn't deserve to be slandered). At the end of the day, this franchise has so much conflicting information, mainly because it's all told so cryptically so different people interpret the hints in different ways (which isn't necessarily a bad thing because different interpretations can lead you to the right one) and, therefore, flamewars are kind of inevitable and aren't really something new. I mean, when MatPat first proposed Dream Theory in like 2015 everyone hated it and now most of the community thinks it was actually canon and got retconned. However, I do think these particular flamewars are a problem because, unless Scott ever specifically clarifies whether the books are canon, the whole community will probably be split for as long as the story continues. But, then if he does decide to come out and clear it up and then says that they are canon, the problem of those parts of the story being inaccessible to certain fans still prevails. As you said, sorry for the essay but I also am passionate about this story. I don't necessarily have a problem with the current state of FNAF, I've actually grown to appreciate Modern FNAF a lot more recently but if we need one thing from Scott right now, it is confirmation of what the deal is with this issue.

[@irladovelasquez975]

@@fiveplussixequals well still you don't need evidence for the fucking books to be canon my dude you literally don't need to get evidence over a fucking simple book that has similar connects to new games just like the each books say "the set as newest games continue " like i understand yall dont like the books but these tales books arr actually have. Connections atleast but y'all need to chill

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

FNAF 4, Midnight Motorist and parts of Sister Location are now explained more then ever, thats all I'll say about the new TotPP book. The epilogue may or may not of been ruined

[@michaelraymon111]

How explain

[@Mr.Feather130]

Please explain about that final story in the eighth and final Tales from the pizzaplex book

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

*Spoiler alert* A kid is being experimented upon in an identical room to the FNAF 4 bedroom with a door on either side, a closet, pink fan and being connected to a bunker with a private room filled with gas canisters like in Sister Location CN. The kid breaks out of the room like in Midnight Motorist and theres even more kids with them all being experimented on and having remnant taken out of them. Thats the basic gist of it, not much info on the Epilogue yet that I know of but all I know is the real life situations with the books are really showing plot wise.

[@aminethbt885]

​@@DJBurns-jq8mnI heard the book has torn the timeline apart and has put TalesGames into question.

[@Mr.Feather130]

@@DJBurns-jq8mn oh okay but man that synopsis on that last story in the final tales from the pizzaplex book is freaking crazy

[@dtimetyp7062]

11:18 the log ride probably never opened. if you pause the game at the bottom left corner it says "i guess they never finished the log ride" or something like that. which seem to contradict the ar foxy plushs desription. maybe cassie got to test ride it because of her fathers position in the plex??? we dont know. it could just be a mistake. regardless, the roxy raceway area most likely got added after the second renovation aka after the storyteller happened

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

No your spot on, it just never opened Casey got a early ride because of her dad.

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

I have a theory that the Tales books and Security Breach games are telling the same story but in different perspectives. The books are focused on the Mimic while the game is focused on Glitchtrap evolving separate from the Mimic code from HW with William's agony/spirit taking over it and trying to take over the entire program while when he failed his last ditch effort was to stop the Mimic from regaining control. The Mimic is obviously not trying to mimic William as we once thought, has definitely been trapped pre FNAF 6 via being far below the location (possibly Fredbear's Family Diner) and neither Vanessa or Gregory don't know who the Mimic is while they have obviously been down there before whether before or after they were free by Gregory's backpack being down there. What do you think?

[@DJBurns-jq8mn]

@@zavoywilliams3313 yes and no. Agony and Remnant are the result of bits of soul that attached themselves to metal through powerful emotions. So William's Agony is part of his soul but is it's own thing only with his memory.

[@foxybro7997]

Tales being in the games is confirmed by ggy story and a new tales book story too.

[@tonyf4991]

Actually they're not. None of the books except for the Survival LogBook are tied to the games. Sorry. The Mimic was not created in the 80s, it was created between 2019-2020 and was originally a Toy Animatronic. A person called the "Client" first sent hardware and circuit boards to Fazbear Entertainment game developers, who after scanning and using them, released a virus that took the form of a rabbit. That rabbit became what we call GlitchTrap. The "Client" then stole the hardware and circuit boards back and sent them to another department of Fazbear Entertainment who scanned them releasing the virus yet again. The virus, again, taking the form of a rabbit. It eventually possesses a Toy Animatronic, and it's eye color changes. It is also said that this toy animatronic has changed it's form to a few different things. Sound familiar? All of this can be found in both Help Wanted and Special Delivery.

[@Sing87eh]

​@@tonyf4991 the mimic was not a toy animatronic. Also tales and frights are cannon. Mimic was not created in 2020 or 2019

[@tonyf4991]

@@Sing87eh you need to re-read the emails on Special Delivery and replay Security Breach then if you think that.

[@vforval]

Glad to see someone clear up everything about the books and games connections. While yes, Scott did stated that the books aren't canon to the games, he was referring to the novel trilogy, while some of us, even MatPat, among others, believe that the books, in general, are not canon to the games. With the amount of evidence you showcased, from Frights and Tales to possibly connected to the games, to how Henry and Edwin being"parallels" to one another is not true, it was great to have someone back it all up. Love your videos, dude.

[@ethancurtsinger172]

Scott didn't exactly stated that the books "aren't" canon to the games. When he was referring to the novel trilogy. He said by quote "So yes, the book is canon, just as the games are." And he said the books should be considered as separate continuities. Still meaning that while the books (when he was referring to the novel trilogy at the time) is still canon to the games, while the events still happen differently from each other.

[@vforval]

@@ethancurtsinger172 Yes, the books are canon, like the games, meaning they exist in their own universes, and are canon to the franchise.

[@tonyf4991]

​@@vforvalhas has also stated multiple times that you shouldn't try to tie any of the books in with the games. He's said that a few times on Reddit, he has Mr. Hippo say something similar in Ultimate Custom Night "not every story has to have significance, y'know? Sometimes a story is just a story. You try to read into every little thing and find meaning in everything anyone says you'll just drive yourself crazy. And not only that, but you'll likely end up believing something you shouldn't believe, thinking something you shouldn't think, or assuming something you shouldn't assume, y'know?" In the Ultimate Guide he mentions that only four things are canon from the books: Technology The Missing Children Incident Remnant The Creators (Henry and William) And when you look at the Fazbear Frights books you see the exact same thing. You could do the same thing with the Tales books. Especially since the books and games do not agree on the Mimic's origins. Tales states it was built in the 80's. Help Wanted and Special Delivery show it was a virus in 2019 and possessed a Toy animatronic in 2020.

[@Bronze_sushi]

I just wanna say I love your content! Also it feels weird to be this early!

[@Lucas_Vanes]

Same as soon as you upload I always watch them.

[@DarkShadic9632]

To the point of Edwin making the classics being an inconsistency: I don’t think that’s even something that we’re supposed to draw from the books. The book very specifically describes the Chica animatronic that he’s making as a “bright yellow chick.” Classic Chica (and also Withered Chica) is not bright yellow. She’s a more plain yellow. But you know who is bright yellow? Toy Chica. I think we’re supposed to be concluding that Edwin made Toy Chica, and subsequently, the other Toy animatronics. Therefore, the Mimic would take place in 1986, which would place the Storyteller in 2026, which is a much more realistic turnaround for Fazbear Entertainment to make a massive mall after the FNaF 6 fire. As for Security Breach taking place in 2029… I don’t think it has to. The Faz Life magazine by all means could have started a bit later into the Pizzaplex’s time being open. Say, 2030. Which would then place us in 2035 for Security Breach, which works with the calendar. And the Faz Life magazine starting further into the Pizzaplex’s lifespan makes complete sense- as the Pizzaplex grows in popularity, of course new things would come about to advertise it. But hey, maybe I’m wrong. Either way, TalesGames makes sense to me.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

GGY takes place 2 years after the pizzaplex opens. In the case you're suggesting, the story would be in 2028, and Gregory in GGY is 12. So either Gregory is a robot or he's 19. And he's definitely not 19. And even if he is a robot him being 12 for 7 years and NOT knowing he's a robot wouldn't sit well with me

[@blanktester]

​@@ImpulseEvan37I agree that it wouldn't sit well with me either but there's tons of stuff in the books that doesn't sit well with me. Hopefully that's not what they are suggesting.

[@DarkShadic9632]

@@ImpulseEvan37 …yeahhh, okay, that’s fair. My point still stands that 2026 is a more logical year for the Pizzaplex to open… but I guess logic was abandoned a long time ago in FNaF.

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

​@@ImpulseEvan37or the writer for ggy got the dates wrong? Or the story changed so that he got possessed at a different time? Or he has a mental block that prevents him from knowing his age like that one robot kid from that one thing.

[@kubaxterg9994]

I can agree with a lot of things, but there just too much errors

[@ImpulseEvan37]

I fail to see any

[@kubaxterg9994]

@@ImpulseEvan37 what youre saying makes a lot of sense, but stuff for example like Henry being the original scrator but not really in the books, thats a massive error and i cant just got over it. If they say thats judt a error and stuff in general is canon, sure, but for now it has way too many little differences

[@ImpulseEvan37]

@kubaxterg9994 Henry is still the original creator, Edwin just replaced him after Henry left Fazbear entertainment. That wouldn’t be an error, it’s more of an explanation for something that was implied by didn’t have a solid answer

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

Im just gonna say that henry and edwin might be the same character and that might just unscrew the screw up, because henry has NEVER BEEN MENTIONED BY NAME IN THE GAME

[@ImpulseEvan37]

HRY223

[@ImpulseEvan37]

and henry literally dies at the end of fnaf 6 yet Edwin is still around in the pizzaplex

[@KTWhatsup]

@@ImpulseEvan37Unless, he didn't die like everyone else!!! This is a joke.

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

I think it would be more likely for Edwin to be phone guy than him being Henry😅

[@KTWhatsup]

@@TiredMoonRabbit Hello Hello? Uh, I wanted to leave a message for you.

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

I think both scott and steal wool want to have enough leeway to discount the tales books if they decided in the future to do something that breaks continuity in said books, Thats why they haven't said anything about it.

[@adriankuban2904]

!!! 2023 is the year of Fnaf!!! Fnaf other books Tales from the Pizzaplex; Fnaf movie and its already confirmed second one because they started writing the script. {+you know} We'll have seen what happens in the Ruin dlc and maybe there will be more. Also VR Help Wanted 2 where there will be a Sister location, maybe in Pizzaria simulator,...? Henry is confirmed to have died at the Pizza Place with all of them. When he reached Charlotte's third stage of recreation, he realized he had gone mad, and at her fourth, he was filled with rage and despair. Henry was too saddened by everything he could think of: the loss of his daughter, his wife leaving him and taking their son with her because of Henry's insanity, then Freddy being blamed for the disappearance of the five missing children, then only to realize , that his business partner, ... That he stopped building it and realized that the dolls weren't really Charlie. He committed suicide due to self-inflicted permanent damage. Mrs. Afton in the Modern Fnaf era is one of the best and well written shadow characters. We know she never showed up on top of Mr. Burrows and is under the control of an IA Mimic/David corapted Glitch Trap at the Pizzaplex. Charlie Emily is a portegaist/AI. Cassidy is in the Princess Quest games. William's new body is from a replacement Glamlock Bonnie Skelet on. "AI Glitch Trap/Mimic"

[@adriankuban2904]

We all know MatPat from Game theory and John from Fun this two are mostly closer. But we also know ​Scott himself, even though he publishes more books and more games are coming out, like many other authors and creators of franchises, sagas and series. Leave it a mystery and that's good because they want to keep it for us. To try to solve it using our own imagination, theory, ideas and come up with our own Head Canon.

[@Cake2019_6]

I''m tired of fnaf's story which always gets retcons, silly explanations etc i already began making my own version of Fnafs story

[@adriankuban2904]

@@Cake2019_6 Fnaf is already a bit of a Multiverse. The story from the games, the story from the books and of course the movie. one medium is another universe and each can also be Fnaf of a similar theory. Since the Multiverse is for example: Marvel, DC, Star Wars, League of legends/Runeterra/Arcane/Skin Lines. And many more why not Fnaf too. In this day and age, when endless movie series are commonplace, this is perhaps even more important than before. To summarize, the word canon or English canon refers to the official world, history, and events of a story. Everything marked as canon actually happened and took place in the world of that film series or series. And that brings us to the next group of words - the canon of Alpha and Beta. In case of disagreement with some work or event, a person forms and subsequently creates his own Head Canon.

[@Cake2019_6]

@@adriankuban2904 I know...

[@LordDiscord]

Here's the issue though, if the books are Canon then Henry, William and all the events before Security Breach has to be fiction. You can't have a mechanic named Edwin build the Mimic and Freddy, Chica, Bonnie and Foxy, as well as have Henry build them as well. You can't make the argument that turning on the burners in the Fnaf 6 location that houses Burntrap would destroy the rooms and building if they didn't do that the first time when Henry used them unless he doesn't exist and the events of Fnaf 6 never actually happen in universe. My point is, I'm hoping the books just vaguely parallel the events in the games, otherwise you have events in the books conflicting with events in the games and overall lore

[@ImpulseEvan37]

Did you watch the video 💀

[@gaminganimators7000]

Did bro not watch the video?

[@LordDiscord]

@ImpulseEvan37 I'll admit I had not yet gotten to that part of the video. With that said, I'm not certain what you mean when you talk about the parallels existing if the books are Canon, the problem is they can't. A parallel is a event or character designed to fill a space or role described in alternative media. You can't have Henry and a parallel to Henry exist in the same story. Either Edwin is fake or Henry is fake, either way for one to exist as a parallel to another, one of the can't exist within the same story without the other being fictional. I think the 2010 Nightmare on Elm Street remake fits best with the issues here. In that movie you find out all previous Nightmare on Elm Street movies were nothing more than horror movies in the Nightmare on Elm Street universe and Freddy Kruger was nothing but a fictional monster, in universe only for a demon to take a liking of the Fictional Freddy Kruger and the Mimic his appearance and killing still in the real world. The fnaf novels if Canon are practically copying this plot, by having the original games(movies)be revealed to be fictional in the fnaf universe while having a Endo Animatronic(demon) appear and start to imitate the Villain of the games, becoming Glitchtrap. It in my opinion just erases the lore we thought up to now and makes you question if you can still apply that lore. That's the confusing elements of this lore. Are the older games still Canon to the events that happened in universe or are they nothing but games in universe and the events of those games never happen. The books seem to suggest they are games, while the games Including the one where Glitchtrap first appears, marks it as Fazbear lying and making the games as a cover-up.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

@@LordDiscord not only did I literally say that Edwin probably isn’t a parallel at all, but that’s not how parallels work in the slightest. There’s plenty of parallels in the fnaf series that all happen in the games. Vanny and Afton, Ennard stealing your body to escape and Glitchtrap stealing your body to escape, William Afton with the Mimic, the Daycare Attendant’s split personality to Vanessa’s split personality and both of them in ruin being removed of their split personality, one by someone named Cassidy and the other by someone named Cassie. Parallels can exist even if the thing they parallel exists in the same continuity. That’s like saying in math that a parallelogram only has two lines because there’s two sets of parallel lines so if one exists the other can’t. That’s not how it works

[@LordDiscord]

@ImpulseEvan37 my mistake now I understand what you were saying with your definition of parallels, I was more referring to the stand in version where it's clear a character is supposed to be that universes version of that character, think Miles Morales vs Peter Parker, two different characters, similar origin and both take on the mantel of Spiderman in their respective universes. The problem with the current story is, if the books are Canon, then that relegates Fnaf 1-6 as fictional stories within the Fnaf universe and Edwin is just the actual real version of Henry. The problem with Henry and Edwin existing in the same continuity is that, it wouldn't make sense to have Henry and Edwin both be credited with the creation of the original characters as the books never explain if they ever collaborated with one another. If he was just the creator of the Mimic there would be no issues you could just slide him in as a replacement for Henry Fazbear Entertainment needed after Henry's death, but with him having ties to Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy that muddied things. It either implies, that Henry took credit for something Edwin made, painting Henry in a even worse light or Edwin plagiarize off of Henry given the similar look the Mimic has with the Endo 01 in terms of head shape, similar mouths and the body shape. Yeah the arms,legs and ears are different but again, if you are basing your work off of someone else you have to make some changes. The only other way I can think of is that Edwin made the Withered Animatronics while Henry made the Original, but issues with that is that both series of Animatronics use the series of Endos, which would not make since for Henry and Edwin make the same series of endos. This has to mean they are direct parallels, otherwise where does Edwin fit into the overall story? I could believe that Henry was the builder for 1 restaurant and Edwin another but the issue with that is back during the time of the original games, the games implied they were smaller family owned restaurants given the underground tunnels connecting the locations back to Henry and Williams houses meaning most of the Animatronics appearing in those locations were moved from the previous locations meaning they were either made by Henry or William. Now he could have been an employee for Afton robotics, but I'm not sure if that has been hinted or not. Either way, if it's true, it's not a direction I'm really happy about as I don't like having to buy additional media to get the full story of something. Them using original stories to answer long asked questions is one thing, your getting answered questions and a new story, but to require that book or piece of media to fully understand your story from a game, makes the game fill incomplete. I guess it's easier to see the books paralleling the games rather than being an extention because I like fnaf story to be something I can understand through the games rather than needing every, novel, comic or guide book to understand the current story. I mean not every person that plays the game is going to pick up a book nor is every book reader going to play the games.

[@MxMe-su1ch]

I do think The Glitchtrap Virus and Mimic1 are two different things. They often but don't always infect the same things though.

[@williameddins4462]

It fells like making a circle fit into a square hole it works but it’s wrong

[@ImpulseEvan37]

more like putting a square into a square hole, it works and its right

[@tonyf4991]

​@@ImpulseEvan37not even close. Did you like MatPat never look at the dates on the emails in Special Delivery? If you did, that alone would be enough for you to have to rethink your stance since the books and the games give two different years and origin stories for the Mimic.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

The emails in fnaf ar literally represent the real life date, not in universe. The fnaf ar date wouldn’t even match the timeline as fnaf 3 and 6 are in 2023 and fnaf ar is after both of them

[@tonyf4991]

@@ImpulseEvan37 see, I would believe you if Vanessa wasn't born in 1997 and was 23 during Special Delivery. When you do simple addition, 1997+23 years of age that brings you to the year 2020. So how can FNAF 3 take place in 2023 when Vanessa was born in '97 and is 23 in the year 2020?

[@ImpulseEvan37]

She was born September 7th. 97. Not 1997.

[@dakotawarner9385]

Well Happy Early Birthday, Evan.

[@Flufflord_Puffball]

I don't want the books to be cannon

[@tonyf4991]

They're not. Only 4 elements from them have been confirmed by Scott to be canon. Technology The Missing Children Incident Remnant The Creators (Henry and William) No actual storyline from any of the books are canon to the games or tied in to the games.

[@FNAFFan939]

"Set in the world of the newest games" this was enough for me to believe Tales is in the games

[@tonyf4991]

Then you need to seriously go back and replay Help Wanted and Special Delivery.

[@burtonthegrape9217]

i thought there were multiple pizzaplex locations so the books could happen just in different places

[@ImpulseEvan37]

There are multiple pizzaplexes but the one in the tales books is the one from the games because it’s the one that actually has Glitchtrap in it

[@noravanguard]

19:46 is the Faz Life magazine started a few years after the pizzaplax was open then it could push the time line back a bit. But we would need one of the books to mention when thay started.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

the problem is GGY being two years after the pizzaplex opened which wouldn't match Gregory's age in the slightest, and the context of the storyteller still suggests its right at the beginning of the pizzaplex's lifespan

[@Lundcraft]

Good video, glad you went through different books and example. Tho I thought that Edwin just worked on the originals, not create them? But I might be remembering wrong...

[@DarkShadic9632]

He did. Edwin creating the classic animatronics is a very weird misconception. He’s only described as either repairing them or building duplicates- I can’t entirely remember which it is, but he didn’t outright create them.

[@gaminganimators7000]

How do we know Ruin is 5 years later? I don't remember anything about that in the games

[@ImpulseEvan37]

Security breach is 5 years later. And ruin is after security breach

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@ImpulseEvan37oh I misunderstood. Is SB 5 years after HW or FFPS? The dates get confusing?

[@ImpulseEvan37]

security breach is 5 years after the pizzaplex opens, which is the year after fnaf 6

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@ImpulseEvan37ok, thank you

[@vincentmorris8431]

I believe the 5 year gap stems from the quarterly magazine found scattered in the game. They go up to 19 and 19 quarters make almost 5. So that's the idea that Gregory's journey through Security Breach is 5 years after the Pizzaplex opened.

[@christianaustin2349]

You know something we don't question. And that is the fact that in the ending of ultimate custom night, we see golden Friday twitching, but where exactly is golden fready? Cause we don't see him. Anywhere in pizzeria simulator.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

In Afton, keeping him alive

[@Flummoxyn]

I dont really care if the books are canon, but not many people have the money to shill out for all these books I dont want to HAVE to watch theory videos about the game to piece together the lore at all and then not be able to fact check anything to see if what I just watched is based off of evidence thats potentially not even intellectually honest to what happened in the book Which is weird to me mostly because I love watching video essays but watching FNAF theories is genuinely exhausting sometimes because you cant tell whos being contrarian since half the information or more theyre presenting can be randomly cherrypicked from the books as pseudo evidence even if it isnt It was fun to see people throw together lore when it was just the games because they can show all the visual/audio evidence people wanted because of everyone playing the game and readily having footage available through lots of different means And anyone watching has probably seen the game already to fact check or know that what was presented needs more clarifications And you dont fully get that same phenomena when the books are integral to understanding what happened in the games because games never presented that information or presented it in a way that was too ambiguous to understand Dunno man I dont want the books to be canon because I think its not a good medium for this kind of thing But there isnt anything we can do about that really Id rather if Steel Wool made packs of 8-bit minigames that told some of the stories that the books told and sold them as a collection

[@ImpulseEvan37]

And that’s why I make summary videos :)

[@Theneongreninja]

For Bobbiedots, Part 1 it’s worth mentioning that the alien STAFF Bots in the leaked version of the story were originally described to look like the cut alien STAFF Bots from the game’s files but the descriptions were changed to be more accurate to the game.

[@llamalama_ded7163]

Im so glad that someone is saying this. Saying " its just a parallel" but then nickpicking stuff like GGY and saying its canon just sucks. Which means edwin and henry also have to exist in the same universe which also means there's 2 characters that have such weirdly similar stories. I think at this point, scott knows how weird the 'plot' has gotten and now he's trying to say it straight with the TFTP books. But also don't take my opinion on it, I just listen to the lore for fun and for my own sanity FNaFs story ended at William escaping in help wanted lmao

[@ziashadows7282]

6:18....I didn't know that a go kart could kill Gregory

[@ImpulseEvan37]

That was Cassie in Ruin

[@aidan5648]

what if scott did a two truths and a lie with the books where one story of each book was connected to the games

[@tonyf4991]

More like none of the books are tied into the games and he's said that repeatedly but people continue to ignore him. There are only 4 things that are canon: The Missing Children Incident Remnant Technology The Creators (Henry and William) No storylines are connected to the games.

[@hyrule_yt]

Just because something is “set in the world of the newest games” does not mean they are canon events that happen in the game universe. For me to believe that a random email from an employee at schoolastic is 100% truthful is a stretch and should not be taken at face value. But even if we do assume what they said is true, never did the descriptions for the books allude to a coinciding story that is canon to the games in question. All they do say is that the games world building is being used to tell stories through. It is just insane to think there is white tiger or AI tree hanging around when we have never seen shit remotely resembling that in SB or Ruin.

[@DarkShadic9632]

The white tiger is not an animatronic that ever existed in either universe. It’s a VR manifestation of the Mimic from a removed attraction. As for the giant tree, that is also confirmed to be an attraction that has been taken down, and as Evan mentioned _in the video itself,_ the tree appears prominently in Princess Quest, exactly as described in the books, on the door leading to Glitchtrap. Do better research, man.

[@hyrule_yt]

@@DarkShadic9632 my b, but can you debate my other points, I’m very interested in why you think I’d be wrong about that. Also just because I have details wrong does not mean my stance is wrong. The fact that everything except for the mimic doesn’t show up in the games makes me wonder if it’s just the epilogues that are true. Because I’d be totally willing to believe that teenagers encountered the mimic in between the events of SB and Ruin.

[@ikaiju-eu9wn]

i just read what animatronics appeared in b7-2 i can't wait for the freddit reading to resume

[@willh0717]

I hope anyone who believes Tales is just parallels sees this video. Common Evan w

[@tonyf4991]

I have and the books are clearly not tied in to the games. For instance, this whole video is destroyed by a single thread. The Mimic. In the books, the Mimic was created in the 80s. According to Help Wanted and Special Delivery, GlitchTrap and the Mimic were a part of the same Rabbit virus program. A "Client" gave Fazbear Entertainment game developers old hardware and circuit boards to use and scan and GlitchTrap was born from that. The "Client" later stole the hardware and circuit boards back and gave them to another Fazbear Department to scan. The virus is released again, taking the form of a rabbit, until it possessed a Toy Animatronic, having it's eyes change once according to a worker. Everything to do with the Rabbit virus that became the Mimic happened in 2019 and it possessed the animatronic in 2020. As for GlitchTrap, his events happened between 2017-2018 as Vanessa was already possessed in 2019.

[@antoniothomas2663]

I really don't care the books beacuse none of it was shown in the damn game!

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

None of it has been shown yet, emperor thrawn is a star wars books and cartoons character and has only now become important to the movie continuity. So if you don't like the books then wait for the games to explain it, you will miss out on theorizing though.

[@theraptorblue6675]

THE MIMIC!

[@theraptorblue6675]

plus you dont watch this video with proves

[@Joshchive]

The Mimic just doesn't exist I guess

[@tonyf4991]

You three obviously do not understand the difference between canon, tie in, and parallel and it shows badly.

[@GuavaMarshmellow]

I know this isn't really connected to the video, but it's something I thought of recently. Maybe everyone already knows this and I'm a bit late. What's the deal with birthdays in FNAF? FNAF 2 has birthday decorations everywhere, and the last event there is a birthday. The bite victim dies on his birthday, and happiest day (supposedly) sets the souls free with a birthday. Scrap Baby talks about birthdays, Pizza Party is a birthday, and in Security Breach + Ruin, there are quite a few mentions of birthdays, like Cassie's birthday and Eclipse telling Cassie happy birthday. There are probably more I haven't mentioned. Also the recurring theme of gifts.

[@DaveMiller6042]

To add to the Chica color, if you look closely at Chica's fingers, you can see some hints of yellow, implying that fazbear entertainment just painted her like they did with Freddy's bowtie.

[@N.Penaldo]

until scott said the books are canon i wouldn't believe it according to it will remain parallels just like the novels that help solve the games without forgetting glitchtrap was associated with the phrase i always come back in princess quest 3 in security breach thing according to which confirms that it is Afton

[@Thegeckolizard]

Scott really should just confirm whether or not. Tons of good convos aren’t being had because most of the arguing is about whether or not they are in the game rather than the implications on if they are. This video was great, I’m like 80% on board with this but I won’t assume it’s correct. Btw quality of videos, not the theories themselves has been massively improving

[@lightxz27]

I feel a lot of people, and sadly you as well, are ignoring the actual main and biggest problem when it comes to Tales being canon, all the absolutely ridiculous or just straight up stupid stories, explanations that are just plain dumb or lazy, and problems like the connections to Fazbear Frights. Because if Tales is canon, then Fragility is canon, which means Eleanor is canon. Which means Fazbear Frights is canon. Which means all of those dumb and silly stories are canon. I refuse to accept ideas like Fazgoo or Bonnie fish as 100% in lore canon. Probably my favorite part of this is how people claim the Mimic fixes the issue of Afton escaping UCN, but, if Tales is canon, then it means he DID escape it. It also means Cassidy, the character important enough to get a movie script based off of her, is now completely and utterly pointless as Andrew completely replaces her. All in all, it just makes the lore stupid, and not really that fun. It's like saying the original book trilogy is 100% canon, despite how many people dislike the story. It's just ignoring all the actual criticisms against each book series and accepting the only parts that actually fit for a theory. And frankly, going "Well it's just a plothole in the books themselves so it doesn't matter if it doesn't fit the games!" is so God damn LAZY! Like, how can we trust the books as canon if the books themselves can't even keep to the actual lore? Why should I trust the books when the authors show they themselves don't understand the connection to the games? I just can't accept any book as fully 100% game canon when frankly, besides the survival guide, every single lore centered book gets multiple facts completely wrong.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

Scott himself implies parts of Frights are in the games continuity. Just because you don't like the wacky stuff doesn't mean its not in the games. Just because its weird doesn't mean its not in the games. They're in a fnaf based universe whether its in the games or not, and the logistics behind all the weird stuff is all under the rules established by these books, so them fitting in the games is not a problem. Your opinion on the story is not a factor in the slightest for the theory. You can't seriously be saying that because people like them they can't be in the games. A lot of people don't like security Breach, but that doesn't mean it isn't canon. Essentially what im saying is that your argument isn't an argument. I fail to see how Tales being canon indicates Afton escaped UCN. If anything it implies the opposite as the Mimic is the main villain. And Andrew doesn't replace Cassidy. His existence was hinted at in the toy chica cutscenes themselves. Cassidy is her own character, and she does her own things. He's not a replacement. The plothole thing isn't lazy, it's just straight up true. If the stories are inconsistent with each other despite being in the same universe, that doesn't prevent them from being in the games because it doesn't contradict the games in any way. Not to mention I literally provided an explanation for every single "plothole." None of them have to be actual plotholes, people are just choosing to believe they are

[@lightxz27]

@@ImpulseEvan37 Ignoring the fact you just went "Yeah all the stupid stuff that doesn't fit the lore at all doesn't matter because it's still canon," thusly ignoring the actual issue with how that affects the canon as a whole, I never said "because people like them they can't be in the games". Like, please point out what made you think I meant that. I don't mind FF or TFTP as books. They have good stories, bad stories, silly stories, stupid stories, and using them as hints for the games lore makes perfect sense. But using them as a perfect bible doesn't. As for "Tales being canon indicates Afton escaped UCN" like I said, if Tales is canon, then that means the very first story in Tales is canon. I got the name wrong so that is on me, but the story 'Frailty' is undeniably a story about a girl who fell for Eleanor's trick and used her remnant necklace to heal others. But, if that is the case, then it means that Afton escaped UCN when he blew up and infected other items to help make all the FF stories. It also means he became a trash kaiju fueled by Eleanor, and he and the Puppet crashed into a lake and sank to the bottom. As for Andrew and Cassidy...I have no argument because I have no idea what you are talking about. I am genuinely asking, how does Andrew connect to the Toy Chica cutscenes? Do you mean the high school cutscenes? Please, link a video or a reddit thread or something because I am completely lost. Also, what the hell is Cassidy doing if she isn't TOYSHK? Does GF have three souls in it? Is she JUST there to talk to CC and Mike and, that's it? Please tell me I am so lost.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

You literally said the biggest problem was the stupid stories, bad explanations and problems caused. I don't see how "stupid stories" doesn't indicate quality is what you're trying to say is a problem with it. The problems caused are also very minimal or can be explained. For example, the theory i believe is that the timeline splits in two different directions following fnaf 6, meaning the stitchwraith epilogues dont happen, the man in room 1280 doesn't happen eleanor is never killed and afton hasnt become a trash monster. The stitchwraith also doesn't exist. In any case, Afton doesn't "escape" ucn, he is intentionally let free. That's why he blows up. Andrew left his body. Cassidy also doesn't have to be completely removed from ucn. The one you should not have Killed and the vengeful spirit could be two different entities, one being Cassidy (who is golden freddy and stops torturing afton after talking to old man consequences) and Andrew who isn't golden freddy and doesn't immediately want to stop torturing Afton but eventually he does. And even if we were to say that Afton escaped ucn, that's only in the Stitchwraith epilogues and when he gets to a very specific space. If the timeline branches then his body is most likely still under the pizza place due to the immediate construction of the pizzaplex, and even if he could escape his torture, he can't go anywhere or do anything, at least not without the Mimic. I've made a video on this timeline branching topic in the past and the fazbear frights canonicity thing as a whole so you can watch that if you want kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoK1mGdvZdOUjqMsi=SHgXi8_zeHrzjYQs As for the Andrew Toy Chica cutscene thing, those cutscenes are tied to Afton killing his victims, and there are 7 victims. At that point we only knew that afton had 6 victims - the missing kids and charlotte. The One You Should Not have Killed being Andrew is very likely, and if he was a victim we didnt know about establishing he does exist within the game makes sense.

[@lightxz27]

@@ImpulseEvan37 it's 1 am for me so I'll probably come back and delete this comment with an actual counter argument but for now I just gotta point my first immediate thought, Frailty can't really work in a split timeline, but I assume a reason for that is in the video that I'll watch tomorrow.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

you do realize eleanor existed before the events of fnaf 6 right? Meaning she would be in both branches. Frailty works BETTER with the branch because in this ones she's not dead lol

[@c.r.blankenship9040]

The Pizzaplex opening in 2024 is immediately solved by FNAF 3 being in 2015 rather than 2023

[@gaminganimators7000]

So in 2023 Fazbear Frights and the FFPS location both burn down, the company shuts down, is then immediately bought and the Pizzaplex was built in 2024? Am I misunderstanding or is that what you're trying to say? Assuming Henry is the owner of Fazbear Entertainment, why would he start construction on the Pizzaplex? We know no one else was in power because Fazbear Entertainment is no longer a corporate entity after FFPS unless an LLC. is different from a corporation which is the only way this can work. I'm very confused

[@ImpulseEvan37]

Yes. It's what happens in Tales whether its in the games or not, so it isn't an issue

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@ImpulseEvan37how odd. Maybe they used like nanomachines or something, lol

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

​@@gaminganimators7000they do have those in the story bleeding heart if im correct.

[@tonyf4991]

​@@gaminganimators7000the reason you find it odd is because what was said is completely wrong. The Pizzaplex was built in 2011-2012. The GlitchTrap incident that took place happened around 2017 and Help Wanted around 2018 because as by 2019 Vanessa is already possessed. Between 2019-2020 is when Fazbear Entertainment is bought out. Now the one who bought Fazbear Entertainment may be the true villain of this second arc. In Help Wanted they are just called "the Client". But they (more singular than plural, as it's just a single person) are ones who made the rabbit virus, who gave that virus to two different Fazbear Entertainment departments creating GlitchTrap and the Mimic. They are also working with GlitchTrap/Vanny and are probably the ones responsible for the elevators going beneath the Pizzaplex, the new lab below the Pizzeria and the one who had Vanessa work at the Pizzaplex.

[@gaminganimators7000]

That spider enemy in PQ doesn't look a spider. Spiders have 8 legs and if toes are important to the lore, I'd imagine limbs are as well

[@DarkShadic9632]

The Mimic in the books, upon turning into a spider, as described by the book itself, does not look like a spider. It doesn’t have eight legs. The limb count doesn’t matter.

[@emphorepolpatinedasenate]

I don't like the idea of the books being canon. There's alot of things that the book have that I don't like

[@Personian]

Well, they are canon

[@emphorepolpatinedasenate]

@Personian2 and they need to change that immediately

[@Personian]

@@emphorepolpatinedasenate Nope, they can’t and won’t

[@emphorepolpatinedasenate]

@@Personian whey can with enough backlash

[@Personian]

@@emphorepolpatinedasenate No. if anything , more people are happy they are canon. Makes the lore less complicated so we don’t have to deal with parallel shit.

[@adrianrocha8749]

That’s why it’s called “tales from the pizzaplex”

[@shadowman8888]

I just started reading book five story ggy while reading I am curious about what happened to Bonnie since while reading the story they mention Bonnie bowling

[@dareal_legendario245]

I just don't understand why add a new smart crafty good with animatronics guy like edwin while there is already one that is henry

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

Maybe they have plans for Henry or Edwin will become a key player for the games timeline later?

[@burner555]

Because Henry is fucking dead

[@dareal_legendario245]

@@burner555 so what? oh he's dead let me introduce the same character just with a different name. How does that work

[@burner555]

@@dareal_legendario245 because Henry dies in FFPS, and Edwin lives until TftP

[@dareal_legendario245]

@@burner555 first all the stories about edwin are in the past probably before fnaf 6 so no henry isn't dead at that point and it's just stupid to have the same character 2 times just with another name Like give one thing that distinguishes edwin from henry both smart and animatronic geniuses with a child that dies

[@lol-space]

Evan do you got any theories on b_72s storys

[@fazbearentertaiment8309]

Maybe edwin built the fnaf 1 animatronics? the withereds are too damaged to be fixed, so they would need new robots. Edwin would be the perfect reason on why the fnaf 1 animatronics are so different from the withereds.

[@ImpulseEvan37]

Nah, the end of fnaf 2 says the withereds are being kept to reopen Freddy’s under a lower budget, that being fnaf 1. The withereds are simply redesigned and repaired. I don’t see how they’re too damaged to be fixed

[@alexq.5527]

Honestly the contradiction of the DCA against the games is one of the biggest 'this CAN'T be anywhere near remotely canon' reasons

[@irladovelasquez975]

Btw theres this one youtuber who hate tales books that he didn't want it to be canon because he think the whole mimic thing is dumb but he like the theory now accept for the tales books to be canon

[@tonyf4991]

Well the books aren't canon. Only 4 elements have ever been canon with any of the books excluding the Survival LogBook. The games themselves even go as far as to show that the books do not tie in with the games at all.

[@gameoverluigibros9511]

I Believe that means nothing and the games will not talk about this or they change or this goes no where like it has in the past.

[@adriankuban2904]

William is main protagonist of Fnaf Franchise. As the Lore Master and Lore lover who has born with photographic Memory and have a lot emotional empathy. I was looking on everything from both sides like coin has it. Evil is not born, it is taught. Many fantasy, sci-fi, horror charakters even real life people. Many bad things what normal destroyed their life, lead to mental mind break even death or suicide. Jake Lloyd, {Freddy Mercury} & [Michal Jackson] And from some fictional charakters like Anakin/Vader, Thanos, Silco, Jinx,... @My "Yeah all of thant is William Afton/Springtrap fault" yeah yeah we all know who is true villain who started and destroyed all of that tutu dutu tuuuu Mike who killed his own yonger brother Evan. 🤨🤯😵🙄😒😔 @Sapphire_Reacts ⚫ 3 weeks ago i still dont know why mike thought it would be a funny prank to put his brothers head into a robots mouth @My: ​I think he was push to do that by his three friends and these three friend are maybe the some three kids who push and lock up Charlie out of the Pizzaria building. When then William killed her and maybe these three kids was also killed by Afton, you know three boys Fritz, Jeremy, Gabriel. Its my theory and its maybe true. You know Evil is not born it is taught. May the force be with you and may you lead the force. ✋

[@JoshuaMartinez-r1t]

I do agree that tales is canon to the games but my main worries is that if they are canon, then MatPat is gonna say that William and Henry never existed and Edwin was the real Henry in modern fnaf.

[@janrafhael2885]

Lets just hope that Scott and Steel Wool clear a lot of the things up.

[@PeterPeter20]

9:00 BRO WHAT?? I NEVER NOTICED IT, HOW DIDN'T NOBODY COMMENT ON IT??

[@tonyf4991]

Because it's not exactly true. GlitchTrap and the Mimic were both birthed from the same virus, but each one went their own way and by Ruin, they have become enemies. As for how the Mimic got there...his Endo is that of a Toy Animatronic. He was most likely brought there to put on a costume and either be a new animatronic or replace one of the previous ones before it ran off and hid.

[@DiegoojedaMendez]

I'M A SUPER HUGE FAN OF FREDDY FAZBEAR'S MEGA PIZZAPLEX!

[@Research_theTruth]

Good algorithm theory

[@Fredboyos]

WAIT YOUR BIRTHDAY IS ON THE 25TH NOT 26TH?

[@Yipper64]

1:45 ok so your first example I already have a *small* issue with. I just feel like thats a funny joke but doesnt make sense plotwise. Given you know Afton is still out and about doing things. This sounds like a sort of ending to the character. one that obviously hasnt happened, and may never happen. I just dont see ultimate custom night as being anything but a non-canon fanservice celebration of the series up to that point. 2:22 *some.* that means that *some* are also not. Given that statement im willing to believe that some books are directly relevant to the games, but that should still be seen within the games before that is confirmed. 8:40 ok now youre stretching a few things. I was with you a bit there but its *not* confirmed that glitchtrap is the mimic program. At least, I dont think that's quite enough evidence personally. There's a tree aesthetic but that could easily be in rough reference to the trees you see at the princess quest ending. 11:28 yeah but that shows that these books *can have errors.* So while sure, they may be part of the game, I dont think we can treat them as canon till they are confirmed to be canon. 18:20 so again that just tells us these books have a lot of issues story wise. Maybe they are part of the games, but its easier just to ignore them. The game's plot is enough of a mess as is. At least thats my take now.

[@CaptainRickey]

Let's start with the language from the CD room. The language in the books, used to communicate with the mimic is described as "loops, squares, squiggles, triangles within triangles" but here in the games we see only 1? An entire paragraph with just 1 type of the 4 forms described? The language uses all letters from the English Alphabet except for J, Q and X. Am I seriously to believe that those three are EXACTLY the letters not used in the books while the rest of the alphabet is using black triangles with straight lines that intersect in a corner? It's just not realistic. It's just very illogical to believe these are the same language. And if they're NOT the same language, why is that language on the wall here in the first place if it's not supposed to be a similar language (but parallel to the books version)? Alternatively, where is any proof that there is ANY mimic language anywhere in the game if not this wall? Is Foxy's Flume even mentioned in the books? I don't remember hearing about that being a thing from the books. If I remember correctly the mimic squished a character to death inside a blue DOG costume. Exactly where in the entire franchise is there ever a dog costume? I have yet to see any blue dog being mentioned anywhere but the books. And it DEFINITELY didn't appear in SB or Ruin which is weird because iirc, the events take place INSIDE the pizzaplex, no? People arguing that Kelly being inside burntrap is even weirder because 1. that's not a dog, 2. that's not the colour blue 3. the suit and the body look damaged and rotting which isn't explained by the book afaik. The Tales from the pizzaplex books came out after the game, no? So the books showing things that were in the games is expected. It would be weirder if the books predicted the games, which I would consider. But to my knowledge that hasn't been the case. If the mimic had actually shown up as this white tiger in the final chase sequence I'd have been like "I don't like that they're canon, but it sure does sound like it" but that's just not the case here. I get a lot of people saying "Tiger rock isn't real, he can't hurt you" but you clearly haven't looked under your bed late at night. He is real, he will hurt you and he's hiding until you're asleep to do it. At the end of the story it's unclear whether Kai actually broke free of the virtual experience or not and so the degree to which tiger rock as an animatronic is real is also debatable. It's simply not clear. I have more thoughts but it's late at night so Imma head to bed.

[@LifeWithProHD]

Something im not understanding is the timeline so if the Pizzaplex opened in 2024 how does that affect Fnaf 3 and Fnaf 6 and what year does Help Wanted take place in and if Security Breach is in 2029 then what year is Ruin set?

[@tonyf4991]

This is why I hate theorists. They never do proper research for the people who never play the games or look at the Ultimate Guide. Sorry for their short sightedness. Help Wanted takes place between 2017-2018. Special Delivery takes place between late 2019 (November) and ends in 2021. In Special Delivery, the files show that Vanessa is 23 years old as of 2019 and she was born in 1997. Security Breach takes place between 2022-2024 with Ruin taking place just a few months after Security Breach. Cassie is around 12 in Ruin and going off of her memories, she and Gregory are about the same age and she states she use to love the Daycare in the Pizzaplex, meaning she's been going and it has been opened since she was at least a toddler. Then of course she mentions the log rise which was a part of Adventure Foxy's area before it was eventually replaced with Roxy, who became her favorite. With this information, we can say that the Pizzaplex was built as early as 2011 or 2012. Which would put Pizzeria Simulator someone between 2005-2009, and FNAF 3 between 1997-2000.

[@MichaelHaneline]

Where did you get that the log ride was supposed to be from before the Pizzaplex even opened?

[@ImpulseEvan37]

One of the pause menus said the log ride never finished. Cassie was only able to ride it because she was the daughter of someone who worked for the company

[@MichaelHaneline]

@@ImpulseEvan37 right but that doesn’t mean it’s from before the pizzaplex was opened

[@ImpulseEvan37]

Fair enough I guess. Actually would explain why roxy raceway is under construction in security breach if they started working on it but never opened it. Fair point

[@TiredMoonRabbit]

Its a very close but not the same universe, I really don't think steal wool or scott are going to try and keep the games in line with the books.

[@Mrwarfull]

I still think glitch trap program or Afton spirit thing, and the physical Mimic are two separate things fighting. As in ruin the entity (dark bunny) is trying to kill you and keeps linking itself to Afton and glitch trap. It can't be the mimic as it killing you won't free the mimic, neither is it the security system as we disable that by destroying the nodes, while the entity the rabbit thing is described by helpley as an unknown entity separate to the security system.

[@Mrwarfull]

wait it does mb then@@zavoywilliams3313

[@Sing87eh]

The files call him "anti virus"

[@matthew...4961]

Steveline Games? 😮

[@SherlockSMasters]

I hate when people keep saying The Mimic is William Afton cuz they don't know anything about the pizzaple novels....

[@tonyf4991]

I hate when people try to tie in the novels, Fazbear Frights and Tales From The Pizzaplex books period without actually paying attention to the games, because that shows they don't actually know anything about Five Nights At Freddy's.

[@SherlockSMasters]

@@tonyf4991 it seems like you don't really like Scott Cawthon huh? ok

[@tonyf4991]

@@SherlockSMasters not at all. I'll even give a few examples of what I mean. Theorists: Golden Freddy is an animatronic possessed by at least two kids. The games: Golden Freddy is not an animatronic but is instead a ghost and the form we see is the one chosen by said ghost. No multiple spirits inhabiting anything. Theorists: FNAF 3 takes place around 2023 and by Security Breach it's 2070. The games: Special Delivery states that Vanessa was born in April of 1997, and is 23 around the time of Special Delivery. That puts Special Delivery at the year 2020. Theorists: The books state that the Mimic was created all the way back in the 80s! The games: When you look at both Help Wanted and Special Delivery you get the full origin story of the Mimic and GlitchTrap. A "Client" brings hardware and circuit boards to Fazbear Entertainment game developers to scan and use. They do so, unleashing a bad virus that takes the form of a vintage Bonnie model rabbit who becomes known as GlitchTrap. After it is released into the game the "Client" steals back the hardware and circuit boards. About a year later, the "Client" does the same thing, this time with another department of Fazbear Entertainment. Again the virus is unleashed looking like a vintage Bonnie model. This time however, the virus takes possession of a new toy model. The toy model is later described as "a quadruped? A spider? A tripod?" And a few days later is said to have changed it's eye color on one occasion and the team cannot replicate it. These descriptions are of the Mimic. Theorists: Everything is built on top of the Afton house! Games: In FNAF 4 just by looking at the toys and plushies we already know that there is another Freddy's. More specifically, that the toy models are already out as you can see a Mangle or Toy Foxy in the girl's room and the toy models were meant to replace the original models. So no Freddy's built on top of the house. The lack of seeing the sister in FNAF 4 also indicates that the sister is dead and the lack of a mother indicates she left. Now, Afton built Circus Baby's Pizza World in the late 70s early 80s, before Elizabeth died. Her death caused it to shut down and move to a new facility, Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals, the Sister Location. Now, since Special Delivery takes place between 2019-2020, that puts Sister Location between 1997-2000. Now since Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals was already built after Elizabeth died, it was not built on top of the Afton house. And since Pizzeria Simulator takes place between 2000-2003, the Pizzeria was not built on top of the Sister Location. And those are just a few examples. Do I hate Scott? No. Am I one of the few that actually takes him at his word when he's said multiple times that people should not try to fit the books and games together like two puzzle pieces and the books are just their own stories? Yes.

[@SherlockSMasters]

@@tonyf4991 well ok but it's seems like you misunderstood about my comment like... I always get roasted by a lot of guys I said that Glitchtrap is actually The Mimic William is ded for sure... And the Pizzaria Sim on the SB was just an attraction or a set for Help Wanted 2...

[@SherlockSMasters]

@@tonyf4991 and btw the Novels also has some a little lore details like the Springlocks suit, illusion disk instead of Nightmare it has Twisted animatronics... and I think the only novel that was canon for Fnaf lore is the Tale of Pizzaplex cuz it was after the event of Fnaf SB... and continue to Fnaf SB RUIN...

[@clouddeity3348]

*not everyone gaslighting themselves on books being Canon. The fans just recently gaslighted themselves into believing mxes(glitchtrap) was gonna be glam Bonnie during the ruin trailer, uh ya ... the fans just want what they want to be true

[@clouddeity3348]

ik that shitass I'm just saying that it was more plausible to say that it was glitchtrap rather than fucking out of nowhere "glamrock bonnie"

[@Sing87eh]

Mxes is a securty system not afton

[@azimuddin1890]

Could Fazbear Frights be in the game’s continuity, and what Scott meant was that some books would be directly connected to the games story, while others are telling their own story, but some way connected to other stories?

[@adriankuban2904]

​Good and Great Game adaptations are for example: Mortal Combat, Cyberpunk, Last of us, Dota, Castlevania, Sonic, Super Mario, Pokemon. Perfect Movie/Game: Alien Isolation, Detroid become Human, Until Dawn, Vader Immortal VR, Jedi Fallen order and Jedi Survivor. Arcane/League of Legends 3 Books, all charakters Stories with 20 comics is around 25 books. Fnaf is here 8 years it has 19 books, 11 games and This year is year of Fnaf. So it will be so good. 🎉💜🤩💙🎉

[@soirema]

Great video but Sun and Moon backstory is literally bullshit, it doesnt make any sense with what we got in the games. Why do we have the candy then? Why Moon is a legi mode for them? WHy Cassie says that she had fun both with Sun and great sleep with Moon??

[@ImpulseEvan37]

I don’t see how any of this is a problem. It’s said that they tried to keep the other side of the daycare attendant dormant but that they embraced it because of the faulty lights causing him to come out, meaning they had to turn him into a character because he would often be seen by the public. It doesn’t cause problems

[@Sam-su3tv]

Come on glitch trap is actually William afton himself and burntrap is also William afton himself the mimic has nothing to do with William afton!

[@Joshchive]

Glitchtrap was never William Afton. Handunit tells us in FNAF VR what type of Creature Glitchtrap is, that being he is a recreation his personality using circuit boards (which most likely came from the Mimic endos). Deal with it.

[@Bubbles-el7td]

Yeah I mean do you see hear burntrap glitchtrap mimic thinking They are vanny Vanessa to not at all bunrtrap glitchtrap don't act a ai mimic robot they would mimic copy think they're Vanny Vanessa to because mimic copy thinks he Gregory he's mimicking Gregory I'm Gregory glitchtrap burntrap more act human-like William own mindset own person We don't know if William Afton is gone or not we don't know if William Afton is trapped in ultimate custom night he could have escaped somehow and he could still be involved in this somehow we shouldn't just take William out of the story so quickly easily and some people just want to take him out of the story because they just want to and there is a ton of evidence against the mimic to not being burntrap glitchtrap

[@Joshchive]

@@Bubbles-el7td It's not simply because people don't want him in the story it's that he already got his conclusion and there's a ton of evidence against his return. The whole concept of the Mimic basically makes his return pointless, the minute the Mimic, an animatronic specifically created to Mimic the actions and behaviors of others were introduced, it became pretty obvious which direction the story was going with that plot line.

[@dylanhudec979]

@@Joshchive and there’s a lot of evidence that he has returned

[@quint2568]

I have to heavily disagree with many of your point because

[@quint2568]

happy birthday

[@ImpulseEvan37]

Great argument i will now scrap the entire video thank you :D

[@gaminganimators7000]

All official FNAF stuff is canon, the question is are they in the same continuity? The FNAF film is canon but its not in the game continuity, for example

[@clouddeity3348]

btw it's very stupid to belive that scholastic is valid for proof. Scholastic is a publishing company, Not a company simping and dedicated to fnaf. They don't know the lore it's NOT VALID, it's a dumbass stretch

[@recminecraft3235]

Good video

[@Bubbles-el7td]

We really don't know the books are Cannon or not I mean FNAF likes to trick you has Scott said the books are not canon and then he said the books are Canon so ? Also FNAF has different worlds alternate universe alternate realities separate continuity from each other game Book and movie are different alternate universe worlds they have kinda similarities but are going to be different if we're saying all the FNAF tales book are Canon and other FNAF books and if the movie is canon to it's going to mess up the whole dang lore sister location ect the mimic was never introduced as new character in the game or seen confirmed before we don't even know if mimic seen William or not mimic may not have been in the games we don't know mimic only in the books and ruin mimic after the first security breach was revealed also Vanessa last name starts with an A Afton idk? Also why did the put security breach was built over FNAF 6 William scraptrap burntrap glitchtrap was if they were going to start a new era of FNAF also if scraptrap and burn is in the name of burntrap then William is burntrap Scraptrap and is glitchtrap I think they will refer to previous past FNAF and it not over I don't think. FNAF 6 is there for a reason it mean something.

[@tonyf4991]

The only thing Scott has said about the books being canon, is just four elements. He never said that any of the stories are canon. The elements are: Technology Remnant The Missing Children Incident The Creators (Henry and William) He has said repeatedly not to try and fit the books and games together like a puzzle. To the point where he says something very similar in Ultimate Custom Night using Mr. Hippo.

[@stephanievazquez1525]

Could it in possible Henry Emily was original creator of Freddy’s fazbear and gang if I truly wrong 😑 you are allowed disagree with my thoughts 💭

[@tonyf4991]

Yes and no. He and William created all the characters except one. Fredbear. Going off of the old black and white poster in Security Breach, that poster dates back to at least the 1950s, where Fredbear was in it's own small attraction called Fredbear's Singing Show. And going off of the colored old posters for Fredbear's Family Diner, colored printers didn't come out until 1973, so that would have been the earliest that Fredbear's Family Diner would've opened. But that also means that Henry and William bought Freddy and decided to create a restaurant chain with him at the heart.

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

I still think the books are parallels, but its mostly cannon. For example I think The Mimic, maybe Sun and Moon, and yellow Chica come from a deferent Pizza Plex. The light sign shows Chica as white, but Freddy's light sign shows the prototype colors. Showing she was repaint when Chica arrived at the Pizza Plex. I think there's a good chance The Mimic came to the this pizzas plex with Chica killed Bonnie so he could dress as him to get to Cassady's dad, got caught and locked up in the pizza plex. I also think The Mimic Burn Trap and Glitch Trap are all. Mimics programs but are deferent. For example I think Burn Trap is a dead Afton on a new endo that's running a mimic. The endo being built by nightmare staff bots. Help wanted is the mimic Glitch trap is out come from it. If Glitch trap was The Mimic, then Glitch trap would be a hodgepodge of everything from help wanted. Not Just well. Also The Princess is Cas. Who kills Will. I don't think they should be discounted, but shouldn't be holy gospel. Like Help wanted I think is basically cannon.

[@Idk_anymore_1234]

Look, i respect you as a theorist, but i dont agree with you, yes tftp are set in the newest world of games, and are canon 100% just like FF are pr TSE triology is since all books are set in fnaf universe, the newest world of games i see more as of specification of the direction in what time period the books are pointing, another thing is no i dont think books are just paralels too, these last months there is a lot of black or white thinking, i use information in books and apply to games continuity unless something Doesnt line up, and unfortunately there are things that doesnt line up and thus i am hesitant to put them in same continuity, you mentioned the hippo magnet, if it was just discontinued sure, but the book specificaly said it was for a reason of how we use it in games, And there is duffle bag message about how employes are aware of this magnets doing and just dont care, with ggy there is a problem acutally, ggy heavily implies the therapists are from school thus associated to school in CDs when talking to patient 46 they are associated to company so the therapy session is company session, in ggy freddy is already hacked, yet in cds patient 46 doesnt hack animatronics until the 5th therapist came to place, we know the therapy sessions go after each other since the last two digits shows the number of session, and patient 46 doesnt hack animatronics until vannesa is transfered there, and vannesa is transfered to pizzaplex its heavily implied by dufflebag messages that most human positions are taken by staffbots The problem with storyteller is that in cds its said the origin of virus in pizzaplex is patient 46, the glitchtrap virus doesnt even have the same effects on animatronics as glitchtrap, roxy is behaving according to her programmed personality shown in roxy race way intro, and her lashing out is from her insecurity shown in base game, and we see storyteller having memories from time with david and edwin and epilogues thus suggesting mimic1 program is like a hive mind, in tiger rock again mimic is using past knowledge, hes changing appearence, like changing Suits, something he learned from playing with david, hes still fixated with tearing limbs apart, and he wants to learn, since he was programmed to learn and recreate stories As for help wanted i see it as less problematic acutally, yet in story steve is abducted and work on games all days, and games origin came from his dreams, in games tho the indie developer was communicating with FE through emails, maybe even getting instructions from them through emails Now the FF, yes scott stated some stories are connected to games, but if you think about it even TSE triology is connected to games by some capacity too, both prankster and what we found are retelling of certain games events or games and thus connected, but for a clear reason are not in the same continuity I dont say tales games cant be true but also i dont say its 100%true, i would continue but i dont want to spoil the 8th book for you, tho thank you for the video, you did an amazing job, even tho i dont agree, i think its important to have different views on fnaf, so again thank you for the video

[@agonyremnanttrap6789]

Tales literally mentions the smallest details from the games, so really don’t see how it's a debate.

[@adriankuban2904]

What can see from personal view Fnaf movie will alternative story and it comfirned second Movie becouse they are allready started write script. Arcane is good example alternative to Canon version. But riot games is now comfirned as Multiverse. Something a Like Marvel Comics and MCU If all of you finished these ultimate timeline 4 parts you should watched Game theory Security Breach dlc Afton last stand & I solved ruin, The IA is Uprising, Buried and forgotten.😮😊😅

[@Unleavened-777]

i don't agree with you because

[@kashveltri5092]

Because what?...

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@kashveltri5092because

[@Unleavened-777]

@@kashveltri5092 ‎

[@johnman8398]

​@@gaminganimators7000because what?

[@Personian]

@@johnman8398 because

[@tonyf4991]

None of the books are canon. "But the Mimic" was hinted at during Special Delivery. "But it was made in the 80s" the Mimic is hinted at being created in Special Delivery, and that game takes place in late 2019 - early 2020. "But the Mimic program" was never a thing in the games. In both Help Wanted and Special Delivery, GlitchTrap and the Mimic were birthed by the same virus. However, whenever the virus took a form in both games, it was always that of a vintage Bonnie model. Aka the GlitchTrap model. While one stayed a GlitchTrap and eventually possessed Vanessa, the other entered a toy animatronic and became the Mimic. "The books say there's multiple souls possessing Golden Freddy" I argue that anyone who makes this claim using the books as evidence never played the first two FNAF games. Golden Freddy is not an animatronic, he is a ghost who is taking on a twisted form of Fredbear. No one is possessing him, the ghost (Cassidy) IS him. Why else do you think he appears out of nowhere, sometimes as just a head, then vanishes instead of going away like all the others do? And those are just a few examples. People need to seriously start paying better attention to the games before they try to tie on something that Scott has said has no connection multiple times over the years. On Reddit, in Ultimate Custom Night, in the Ultimate Guide just to name a few places.

[@lukelaps9298]

No

[@theraptorblue6675]

yes

[@lukelaps9298]

@@theraptorblue6675 no

[@DONG-pp9fj]

@@lukelaps9298 4 year old

[@sammyjaohnson5631]

Yeah obviously

[@Spawnmatism]

Disagree

[@gaminganimators7000]

Great point

[@Joshchive]

wamp wamp

[@DarthLeuan]

Henry does not exists, just as William and Mike don't either. They are characters of the games inside FNAF worlds. They told us that clearly, and where mever mentioned after that.

[@broschannel3982]

I don't get what you're saying

[@burner555]

This is actually kinda backwards, they exist but they're never mentioned in the games (William's name only appears in FFPS credits, Michael's name is only mentioned in Golden Freddy cutscene from SL and Henry's name is only vaguely mentioned in the Insanity Ending of FFPS as HRY_223) FazEnt definitely erased their existence when they made the in-universe games