Tales OF The Empire Was A Flop: Why This Is So Bad

[@pbh9195]

Barris was so much potential waisted Trying to hard to "redeem" her and say she's not that bad of a person and just forget the fact she bombed the temple and framed her friend on top of that These are actions that cannot be forgiven with a pat on the back

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

agreed

[@hydromancer4916]

This is part of a trend in not just star wars but all of fiction. Female villains, no matter how heinous their crimes, are always treated as misunderstood and frequently given redemption arcs even if it's unearned. If Barris was a male character he'd have received the ending she deserved.

[@daynial2240]

I feel like her entire story is wasted potential. She only appears in two arcs of TCW and is essentially a different character in each. First, she's a loyal padawan and a good friend to Ahsoka who is even willing to sacrifice herself for her cause (twice) and the next time we see her she's a borderline sadistic (if her fight with Anakin is any indication) terrorist who is even willing to frame her best supposed friend for her crimes. And now this. The thing is, all the pieces were there. She had many legitimate reasons to be disillusioned with the Jedi, and her sudden anger for Ahsoka could be explained as her being jealous that she has a loving master who goes out of his way to protect her while her own master left her to die (well, not really, but she moved on from her supposed death in Geonosis quite quickly), but what we got instead was quite rushed. And then, well, she's back to being altruistic again with no real reflection on her actions outside of throwaway lines. We don't even get to see Vader react to her, nor does Luminara play a part in her development at all (which is especially jarring since we know from Rebels that she was captured and executed by inquisitors)

[@pbh9195]

@@daynial2240 couldn't have said it better myself And another idea remember back in rebels we see that holorecording of Lumenara in prison imagine if it was Barris that captured her and it was her face she was looking at in despair before being forced to Walk into that coffin It was also implied that Lumenara caused the deaths of the martez sisters when she was pursuing Zero that hut, what if Barris also accompanied Lumenara on that mission and witnessed how dismissive her master was with their lives, that should have been barris's breaking point that turned her dark There's a whole story there and it was squandered and I have no idea why Ether Filoni is a terrible story teller or Disney was meddling in the production ether wouldn't surprise me

[@daynial2240]

@@pbh9195 Wow, I didn't know it was Luminara who caused the incident with the Martez' parents. That's very interesting. And yeah, seeing an interaction between Luminara and Barriss following her fall (especially with Barriss as an inquisitor and Luminara as her prisoner) would've been gold. Would've made for an interesting parallel between Vader and Ahsoka following the purge, especially considering Vader essentially finished what Barriss started by destroying the temple. It would've been so great to see Barriss reflect on her trying to do what Anakin actually did to an insane degree, since it was Anakin who brought her to justice in the first place. Heck, her entire perception of justice would've crumbled right there and then; the chancellor is a tyrant, the clones are traitors as far as she knows, and Anakin, the man who gave his all for his padawan time and time again, the man who in my headcannon would've been Barriss' perfect master, became the monster she came close to becoming herself. The pieces were all there...

[@SolurVoludun]

At this point it becomes more and more clear that one should turn to Expanded Universe content

[@starkiller1440]

I expected Tales of the Empire about the rise of the Grand Inquisitor and Krennic. Was surprised to not see any Moffs or Imperial Officers. Bariss was the closest thing I get to see an Inquisitor.

[@alessandromancini4533]

It's not Bariss' redemption arc that's being told but that of the fourth sister

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

why should tales of the empire be about redeeming a inquisitor that no one knows or cares about.

[@alessandromancini4533]

@@StarWarsDiscovered because there is much more chance of seeing the fourth sister again in the future that bariss offers, being also the longest-lived race, you can see in the third episode bariss had aged and lyn on the other hand still seemed young

[@IsaiahRichards692]

Out of curiosity, are any of the male Inquisitors getting a redemption arc? No? I wonder why.

[@alessandromancini4533]

@@IsaiahRichards692 The Grand Inquisitor is seen in Rebels returning as Kanan's spirit guide in the Jedi Temple of Lothal

[@superpacocaalado7215]

Barriss should be a villain, to the core, her anger for being trained by Luminara (who we all know represents the worse in the Jedi), watching the caos in the Republic, she should be full on board of becoming an inquisitor and bringing an end to the destruction and troubles caused by the Clone Wars, etc... She's not misunderstood, or something like it, she defended her actions in the series, why would she change her mind now? We deserved to see her descending into the dark side and eventually being put down by someone, Ahsoka, Obi Wan, Rex, doesn't matter.

[@jagtai]

You're wrong. Bariss doesn't hate the Jedi, she hates what the Jedi became during the Clone Wars. She was trying to get the Council to listen, when she blew up the hangar. She never fell to the Dark Side, unlike most of the Inquisitors.

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

blowing up a hanger is pure evil

[@jagtai]

@@StarWarsDiscovered True, but while her methods were evil, her motivations was not.

[@jothrax4673]

​@@jagtaiLynn massacred a village because they betrayed the Empire and she wanted to bring order. I guess she didn't fall to the dark side either because her motive was good lol

[@jagtai]

@@jothrax4673 No, there's a difference. Barriss didn't see them die, ao she could distance herself from her evil deed. Lynn couldn't, because she was present when they died. But believe what you will.

[@jothrax4673]

​@@jagtaiI guess that's true. Murder is less evil when you can't see the victim and it's a pure act of terrorism where you don't even know who you killed.

[@personalgoogleaccount9694]

One thing you gave to admit tho: That dirt was ✨IMMACULATE✨

[@adrianmichel8959]

1st barris episode perfect but cant just have a character who bombed the jedi temple and framed her best friend for it and suddenly turning more to the light without proper development. I mean the youtube what ifs ive watched of Inquisitor Barris having a final showdown with Ahsoka were better and more fitting to her character than just allowing herself to be stabbed to easily.

[@josepheilers8939]

I don’t know who had high hopes, but I sure didn’t. I enjoyed it

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

i did after the tales of the jedi

[@Kaijuenjoyer-nv7qn]

I didn't know what to expect, but I came out loving it.

[@josepheilers8939]

@@StarWarsDiscovered I don't expect apples to be like oranges

[@SpaceFollowerOfJesusChrist]

Morgan is so boring character, they could have put there any other way more interesting one, like Thrawn but no, we got Morgan

[@stephencarroll9935]

We got grievous I'm happy out

[@2xz376]

Exactly, Tales of the Empire focussed on the wrong characters

[@redred1952]

​@@stephencarroll9935member grievious ?

[@stephencarroll9935]

@@redred1952 ?

[@redred1952]

@@stephencarroll9935 All Star Wars is now is memberberries and cameo spamming.

[@sharpol7608]

some people just cant like anything.

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

i agree but if u were to look at my channel i have supported a lot Disney star wars.

[@rooster_cogburn1001]

Does anyone else feel like Disney is trying to force Morgan down viewers’ throats?

[@ZoraCatone]

As if they're the ones who have a say in it. 🤣

[@timalsept2854]

TOTE was absolutely horrid particularly the Barriss arc I hated the entire show you pointed out everything in my opinion. Barriss could have been a villain in the Ahsoka series that would have been amazing, but no failed again.

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

ya man

[@rippingtons60]

Bariss' story was okay with me, and I LOVED Morgan's tale.

[@tavenstrickert9658]

Wholeheartedly disagree with this assessment. I think both segments of tales of the Empire were incredibly beautiful and told succinct stories that did not need to have precise resolutions due to the nature of their anthology storytelling. I think they are some of the greatest bits of animation that Star wars has released and are on par with tales of the Jedi which was such an incredible story, especially the dooku Arc

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

ya guess just a difference of opinion, I thought both segments were bad but the first was better than the second.

[@Silence-qm3ku]

Barris was one of the purest jedi padawans ever. She was kind, companioned and wanted to save everyone despite having very sturn and uncaring master. She could even heal people with the Force. That compassion led to the Dark Side. She was so sad from all death in the galaxy caused by clone wars she begun to question Jedi's involment in the killing. She went Dark Side and murdered bunch of people to show the world Jedi are murderers. She wasnt an evil person, she fell to the Dark Side. She deserves a second chance.

[@michakoniecpolski5677]

Lmao

[@omarbaba9892]

Right a lot of the fandom clearly doesn’t understand Barris She wasn’t trying to be a bad person she was just extremely misguided

[@michakoniecpolski5677]

Lmao

[@ZoraCatone]

Thirteen minutes of whining.

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

u liked ur own comment buddy

[@ZoraCatone]

I didn't, but it's cute that you're THAT insecure and can't even be bothered to write a full sentence. 🤣

[@ZoraCatone]

I really didn't, but it's cute that you're THAT insecure and that you can't even be bothered to write a full sentence. XD

[@seansheppard7924]

I thought it was fantastic!!!

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

nice

[@shaneh3109]

What show were you watching?

[@Kaijuenjoyer-nv7qn]

​@@shaneh3109 He had an opinion

[@trickshotscauseimbored6192]

she wasn't an evil person she thought the Jedi were evil. We thought the Nazi's were evil, does that make everyone who attacked the Nazi's evil. What she did was wrong, but that doesn't make her a terrible person in other aspects of her life.

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

Fair. I guess some of my disappointment is also that were probaly never seeing her again. Ur right about how she might not be terrible I guess im just sad because I was so happy to see her back.

[@michakoniecpolski5677]

Lmao

[@Ale-dd3ek]

Comparing the Jedi to nazi Is absolutely asinine

[@nicholasgardner4904]

Woke Wars back at it again

[@sha4eer]

cute

[@seansheppard7924]

You just like to complain! Just watch the damn stories. Or write your own.

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

i watched it r u telling me to just consume and not comment. if we don’t give pushback to things writers can always create bad projects and we just have to deal with it. no improvement would ever be made. i want u to take some time to think about how stupid the comment u left was

[@benfico5995]

I like this guy

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

thx lol

[@shaneh3109]

Woke....boring...stupid lightsaber stabs that don't kill. Using dumb they thems.

[@omarbaba9892]

How tf is it “WoKe”

[@ZoraCatone]

He's just racist, don't mind him.

[@likescoob6075]

Yeah this show was dogshit

[@StarWarsDiscovered]

based on a lot of these comments i’ve been seeing i was like man maybe i’m seeing this show totally wrong. happy at least some people agree lol

[@likescoob6075]

@@StarWarsDiscovered yeah it was extremely disappointing. They clickbaited Vader and made us think we were getting 3 episodes on barriss becoming an inquisitor just for her to turn good which made no sense

[@kvngvince7865]

@@likescoob6075Bro it wasn’t about Vader