fandomification of real people: AN EPIDEMIC

[@PunchLine213]

The “Andrew would never” person is clearly unaware of Andrew Garfield’s *Tony Award Winning* performance in Angels in America

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@SheepasaurusRex]

tacking onto the tobey fans, who played a gay autistic character in wonder boys (2000)

[@JackBarlowStudios]

He’s also, like, _very_ openly bi, yeah?

[@ItsAllNunya]

​@@JackBarlowStudiosAndrew or Tobey? Both??

[@dylanthompson5421]

The levels of homophobia in reactions to the sex scene Tom was in really scared me. Like, I thought we’d come a lot further than this

[@talistheintrovert]

I know right?? it's like we're going backwards 🤦‍♀️

[@dylanthompson5421]

@@talistheintrovertit’s terrifying

[@JaggerG]

@@talistheintrovertI mean, didn’t 2020 literally have neo nazi rallies? I feel like any day, there could be talks of bringing back the 3/5ths compromise. History is really just a crystal ball for seeing the future.

[@genericplantlife]

I like to believe that we have come a lot further. That the homophobic backlash is just a small group of losers who have been slouching in the shadows waiting for ANY reason to crawl back into the society that is moving out without them.

[@DamselReviews]

i think it was mostly shock, since we all were introduced to tom as spiderman. so seeing him have a diverse range of acting roles, probably sparked a lot of hate in ppl. not saying its right, or defending their actions, but i feel like it was from pure shock.

[@cherry_tonic]

it's either people outting queer actors when they're not ready (Kit), saying that a couple is breaking up because they're doing their jobs (Tom & Zendaya) or it's people getting mad that one dude says he doesn't want to do intimacy scenes to respect his marriage (Penn Badgley) also, the other Spidermen have had gay scenes too. Spiderman queer icon

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@amethystimagination3332]

So many straight people in particular can’t comprehend the thought that a man and a woman can be in a room alone together without immediately cheating on their partners, which is so sad and reeks of insecurity. Or even sadder, a lot of the population at large cannot differentiate between fiction and reality. Real life isn’t an episode of The Office, men and women can work well together and be friends without boning in a supply closet behind their fiancée’s back. I can’t tell if people are actually getting dumber or if the idiots of the world are just way too confident now.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@JaggerG]

There used to be pretty high standards for media back before they realized they could make more money faster and easier by making insinuations and technically not giving meaningful facts to require factchecking. There had been tons of idiots, but industry giants demanded a degree of respectability to rise up the ranks. Since that’s dropped off, media started to hold “fair and balanced” debates to pit scientists against conspiracy theorists. Then social media came around and turned society into a massive high school popularity contest. Got standards? 15 people care. Got unhinged, unresearched opinions? Doesn’t matter if they agree or disagree, tens of millions are flocking to you, thanks to the algorithms.

[@CatHasOpinions734]

I've often wondered if that's something all of us are susceptible to but queer people are more likely to figure out. Like, I'm bi, and the first time I was in a serious relationship I felt weird being alone with ANYONE before realizing how ridiculous and unhealthy that was, and that my partner probably wouldn't care (and if they did, well it's nice to see the red flags sooner than later). But if you're straight and most of your friends are the same gender as you, maybe you don't get that realization?

[@thewolffromhell66666]

I think it's both

[@ma.2089]

@@JaggerG not at all. It’s more like you remember the good things more than the garbage. And now, more content is being produced compared to the past, so there’s going to statistically be more bad than good media being released.

[@rvnest0ne]

real people shipping has always bothered me since i was 13 watching the dan and phil situation go down, and apparently society hasn’t learned how to leave people tf alone in their private lives

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@Romanticoutlaw]

funny thing, I did ship irl people until about 14.. when I wrote about a 400 word mini-fanfic involving real people (as a joke, not even with any serious intent) and was _immediately_ squicked out and realized just how uncomfortable and weird it was. So I guess at least something good came of it lol

[@michaeladkins6]

I didnt know about shipping until I stumbled upon the One Direction guys videos. They didnt do dance numbers like boy bands before them. They spent their time on stage singing to each other, hugging, feeling each other up... Carefully orchestrated by their management. Their fans would dissect these concerts frame by frame like the Zubruder film. Each video was irrefutable proof that two of the five were in a secret relationship. The videos did cover every combination of the group.

[@limlaith]

@@Romanticoutlaw Hurray! You still use the word 'squick'! 😄 So do I!

[@babs3241]

Exactly, it's creepy. I never got it. But I made the mistake of objecting once, and got seriously piled on, because, after all, they're out there making a fortune by selling themselves. Heh????

[@FKA91]

Do these people think that Tom beat up 66-year-old Willem Dafoe in No Way Home? Do they think that he beat up a grandpa for real? No! 😭 Why do people have suddenly a hard time understanding the concept of acting when it's sex scenes? It's fake! Everything is fake!

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@JudithHoffman-t1n]

This should not have to be explained.

[@nervousbreakdown711]

It’s an entitlement thing. It’s very much like “we’ll I’m a fan of you so I’m why you’re rich and you need to cater to me.”

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@dazey8706]

@@talistheintrovertwait u should do a video on doja if you agree w this! because so many ppl dont seem to realize that u can at least try to sympthize w doja while still recognizing all the harmful terrible shit she did and just never acknowledged when called out for. "celebrities dont need to cater to us" and "doja has a problematic history and is being childish and rude asf" can exist in the same brain❤️😭 sidenote isnt it so silly goofy funny that people are SOOO pissed cause she wont say "i love yall" to her fans but thats prolly the least awful shit shes done and THATS what theyre canceling her for.. cause she was being a little mean...💀💀

[@kalka1l]

@@dazey8706Plenty of Black video essayists have covered Doja perhaps give them a view instead.

[@dazey8706]

@@kalka1l real thanks

[@HumbleWooper]

For some reason those people don't like it when I point out that "everything you've personally spent on them is just a small % of even a regular non-famous person's living expenses, and their expenses are probably way more than that. So even if you DID in some small way help get them rich they don't owe YOU in particular squat." 🤔

[@probsnooneyouknowtbh3712]

Further proof of my theory that everything would improve by about 50% if everyone would just *leave people alone and mind their own damn business*

[@talistheintrovert]

SO TRUE BESTIE

[@v4nillatwilight]

I think that’s why I’ve always been so grossed out by peoples obsessions with celebrities because it always reeks of fandom behavior but the people are REAL it’s so CREEPY 😭😭😭

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@Takumi_Did_Nothing_Wrong]

So many people like to throw "cheating" around a lot without really questioning what that word actually means. Like, what is considered cheating to a couple depends on the verbal agreement that couple made at the beginning or throughout their relationship. As an actor couple, it's reasonable to assume that Tom and Zendaya both knew that they were gonna do kiss or sex scenes at some points in their careers and they both talked about it beforehand and agreed that that's perfectly okay with them. Different people have different boundaries and cheating is ultimately the crossing of those boundaries that were set by the couple during their relationship. Here, the only people crossing boundaries are the people getting way too invested in Tom and Zendaya's relationship when it's none of their business!

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@Pomoscorzo]

You know what they say: intelligent people talk about ideas, normal people talk about things, and stupid people talk about other people.

[@aceoflights.]

I had heard they broke up. I saw it stated as fact (though i just don't care about celebrity relationships, so i hadn't bothered checking). I thought this video was gonna be about how fans will not be normal about people breaking up. I wasn't aware that the whole breakup was just a wild interpretation. What the hell? I don't get how people don't understand how acting works to such an extent. Also, some of them are really acting as if tom and zendaya are writing the scripts for the movies/shows they're in, which as far as I'm aware, they are not (and even if they were, it's storytelling). Why can't people just be normal.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@aceoflights.]

@@0001-g8i Yeah, I mean, I agree, research is important. But, as I said, I just don't really care about celebrities personal lives. So either way, it doesn't matter to me. It is interesting to know how that rumor started though.

[@angellovecharm7759]

media comprehension is crazy low rn. And like- people don't understand nuance or like- what acting is. Its a huge problem with the normalization of influencers and real people as celebrities. Having a bunch of people with put their whole lives as entertainment on the internet I think leads to some people thinking that media is reality. Idk, spitballing

[@talistheintrovert]

TRULY 🙏🙏

[@ma.2089]

Ppl r delusional and can’t tell the diff between reality and fiction.

[@limlaith]

I hadn't thought of it like this - because I watch no reality TV and have zero social media accounts - but you are absolutely correct. When I was young, my dad would always say that people would believe anything on TV. I couldn't imagine anything so stupid, but we're living in a time where, as you say, people put their whole lives before the cameras -- that plus reality TV, people don't realize that ALL of it is SCRIPTED. Reality TV is anything but real. The line between acting and not acting has been erased.

[@acciousername6776]

This happens with KZbin couple channels too. I just can't stand the "if they break up, i won't believe in love anymore 😔" comments.

[@talistheintrovert]

🙏🙏🙏

[@rosykindbunny1313]

It's always pretty sad (I was devastated when Pat and Jen from PopularMMOS got a divorce), but their happiness should be prioritized over their channels. The viewers just have to deal with it.

[@gav2057]

I didn't know that Sandra Bullock lost her partner to ALS. She has dealt with this trauma for years and is receiving backlash for your standard Hollywood movie. I hope she holds out. Stay strong, Sandra. ❤️

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@amethystimagination3332]

The fact that I knew people would blame Sandra for that despite not seeing it yet is very telling.

[@vit968]

Its fun to *pretend* that Zendaya Coleman cucked Tom Holland with a threesome in a movie and then Tom got revenge by taking backshots with a gay black man in a movie but I think we forgot the part where we were actually *pretending* all along.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@stripedpolkadots8692]

It is a pretty funny concept when you lay it out like that

[@cbpd89]

Are the people having these reactions literally children? People break up, not all relationships should last forever, and we don't actually know anything about famous people's marriages and dating relationships. It's absolutely positively no one else's business. And, uh, THEY'RE ACTORS. Intimacy in movies is not only real, it's about as unsexy as it gets. The lights, the crew, the director, everything is there makes it so businesslike and clinical. What you see on screen and what it's like on set is SO DIFFERENT.

[@talistheintrovert]

PREACHHHH 👏👏👏

[@thewolffromhell66666]

People's inability to separate fiction and reality is really starting to scare me

[@talistheintrovert]

me too honestly

[@woodlice]

Saaame

[@ericamacs3875]

It was ever thus but seems to be getting worse, social media has fuelled a faux closeness with celebs and a lot of fans have no boundaries.

[@no-mx1tc]

My non-monogamous self is so many layers of lost with these people lol.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@souleylove]

I had to pause just to leave this comment real quick: THANK YOU for pointing out the "I knew he was a bottom" weirdness!! I tried pointing out how that is not okay in one of my group chats and it didn't go well...maybe I should just send them this video and then they'll understand.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@strawberik]

1st Talis you’re looking hot af in this video! 🔥 2nd I’m a fan of Tom and Zendaya’s relationship but I don’t understand why people get so crazy about it. Like I get it, they are super cute together, but being mad at Tom for playing a gay character and zendaya for being in a role where someone other than Tom is her love interest is fucking RIDICULOUS! WHY ARE INTERNET STANS SO WEIRD?!?! I hadn’t seen the trailer for Challenger or heard anything about it, but the reaction really is slut-shamey :/

[@talistheintrovert]

it really is, it's so misogynistic!! (and thank you!! 🥰🥰)

[@robbtigan4527]

There's something darkly puritanical about the way a lot of online Gen Zers treat depictions of sex and sex work. I think it's tied to the nosedive in overall media literacy online space over the last 5 to 7 years.

[@MrSandman_0981]

I blame it on their boomer parents tbh

[@f1mbultyr]

@@MrSandman_0981 Millenials have boomer parents. Gen Zers have Gen Xer parents.

[@amaryllis543]

@@f1mbultyr It depends. My parents are boomers and I'm Gen Z

[@CatHasOpinions734]

Topical confession: years ago, I found out that two online content creators I followed had become an irl couple, they weren't broadcasting it but it wasn't exactly a secret either, and I thought it was super cute. Years later, one of them was engaged, and the other one replied on Twitter in a way that was super friendly and supportive but made it clear that the fiance was someone else, and for reasons I still don't fully understand I just felt GUTTED. I spent like 10 minutes, trying to figure out when and why they broke up before realizing how deranged that was. Like, obviously they broke up a while ago and I didn't even know, there's NO REASON why this should matter to me. The only conceivable reason this would be in any way my business is that if one of them had seriously harmed the other I probably wouldn't want to support them on patreon anymore, but they were obviously still good friends so that's not a valid concern. I try to remember this overreaction, and how ridiculous I felt after, every time this kind of celebrity/parasocial drama comes up.

[@talistheintrovert]

that's a good personal reminder to keep!!

[@CatHasOpinions734]

@@talistheintrovert thanks! It makes me cringe at myself, but I try to just think of that as a sign of having made progress.

[@elisabethbauman6190]

I understand what you mean. Fortunately, I do not have a platform from which to broadcast my thoughts, nor am I inclined to speculate out loud about public figures, but there are a few times when real-life developments in these people’s lives sent me reeling when I had no business caring one way or the other. Each time it happens prompts introspection, and that’s an appropriate response. On the one hand, it’s human to find connections with people and feel happy when good things happen to them, but on the other hand, it’s mature to know that parasocial relationships have their problematic aspects. Good for you for doing some soul searching. It’s not that we should be naturally immune to ever feeling invested, it’s that we should be aware of the potential dangers to ourselves and others of feeling that way and regulate ourselves accordingly.

[@nickthepeasant]

The Zendaya comments montage nearly made me throw my phone across this crowded train. Further reminder that leaving Twitter (and all other social media) was a wise choice in my part. Any curiosity, let alone obsession, with celebrity relationships has always alluded me, thank Frith. Stellar work as always, you take the cultural bullets I never will.

[@talistheintrovert]

your phone isn't worth sacrificing for those morons, I'm glad you didn't throw it! 💛

[@michaeladkins6]

No one seems concerned for her terrible drug addiction. Or Tom being dead for 5 years. Its all very selective.

[@scrollandsurf]

20:15 the commentor would be right if it wasn't for the fact that the sex scene is a gay one AND with Tom bottoming. Because notice how the two actors that are kissing Zendaya are almost never mentioned? how is her getting the backlash? How is about Her kissing teo guy but not about them sharing a girl? Or how the actor topping Tom is barely mentioned? is him, in the """"""woman role"""""" getting the backlash? how people bring that Umbrella act to say they always knew he was a bottom or Uke? something something homophobia and misogyny are linked something something I'm not well versed in the arts of verbal/written communication to articulate my point.

[@smanthajones5881]

This was VERY well articulated!❤

[@dylanthompson5421]

And when you spoke about Andrew Tate, I shuddered because it’s so scary the impact he’s had on so many people, like children in the class I work in (aged 5-6) watch him and friends that I’ve known since childhood are sharing crap like ‘we used to have firemen and policemen come into school, now we have drag queens and LGBT people coming in, god help us’ LIKE WHAT?! I wish drag queens and LGBT people would come in and teach these kids, maybe then they wouldn’t grow up with bigoted and sheltered opinions like the one you just shared on your story! And also, in the 2 years I’ve been working in schools, we’ve had policemen, firemen, authors, illustrators and circus performers come in. 0 drag queens. I literally had to unfollow him I was so disgusted 😭😭😭

[@talistheintrovert]

that's so awful, I'm so sorry, it makes me so fucking furious my god

[@tulip811]

All the parents fault

[@lenroz]

I'm so glad this whole medieval theatre passed me by :') you are right, people are....devolving, wonder why though. like, critical thought? fiction vs reality? nope. next we're going to crucify writers for.... writing antagonists or something. Love your analysis and take on the whole situation!

[@kalka1l]

I’m going to disagree a bit here. People have not changed, this behavior has always existed and it has always been this gross and ugly. Social dysfunction and alienation magnifies it sure but it seems to me the change is everyone posting their opinions online.

[@lenroz]

@@kalka1l fair enough, you summed it up pretty well. that's why i wrote "medieval", similar but on the internet it's amplified.

[@jaycewood7071]

Sometimes I hate how isolated I was from the internet and therefor from my peers and other times I am so, so grateful that I’m not like that. I’m also weirdly grateful for intrusive thoughts because now I’m really good at catching myself think things I don’t want to.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@musicalexistence1]

"Oh my god I hope none of you are in their house" THE WAY I CACKLED 🤣🤣 omg

[@anotherstellarbiome4413]

I guess I live under a rock, because I didn't know about any of this happening on social media, but I totally agree with everything you've said. They're strangers to us and people need to stay out of their relationship. This is why celebrities are advised to stay away from comment sections lol As far as suggestions for future videos go; how about listing all of the LGBTQIA+ Disney characters? There are far more than many people realize or want to admit lol, like the drag ostriches of Fantasia, Ratigan from Great Mouse Detective, and Nuka from Lion King 2 to name a few.

[@talistheintrovert]

ooh that might be interesting! I'll add it to the list and see if I can find and interesting angle lol

[@wandawoody6676]

oh my god it's sooo bizzare and beyond the stupid. what are they gonna do if Zendaya or Tom got a role of idk some serial killer??? or a r*pist??? would this somehow affect their relationship? do people understand acting like... at all??? stanislavsky bestie i'm so sorry

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@RabbitTeacup]

Side note but this has actually happened, iirc the actor of Geoffrey or whatever the little blonde monster's name was from Game of Thrones said that irl he'd get hate from people while just like, being in Starbucks or whatever, because of the character he played.

[@dylanthompson5421]

The way the people in those comments were talking about how Zendaya is cheating on Tom when she’s literally ACTING, which is HER JOB reminded me of my ex and how he never wanted me to kiss anyone onstage in performances. Like… it’s not real. Im playing a character. I thought he was a rarity but the SHEER AMOUNT of comments under that trailer is so overwhelming, like do they actually believe the crap they’re typing? 👀

[@talistheintrovert]

I am manifesting your ex getting papercuts as we speak 🙏🙏

[@dylanthompson5421]

@@talistheintrovertOOP

[@MsLilly200]

Tbf, there are literally billions of people on the planet. I doubt there are more than at most a few thousands loud weirdoes that can't tell reality from fiction making weird comments like that.

[@achshund]

Spider-Man: No Home-o

[@dylanthompson5421]

DECEASED

[@carolinemcgovern4488]

It's times like this and what happend to Poor Kit that make me thankful I've left Twitter. Never looked back.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@betts716]

I understand parasocial relationships. Hell I myself feel very connected to people who don’t know I exist. So I can see why people will feel betrayed when the actual person doesn’t live up to the fantasy made up in their mind. I don’t think that having these types of fantasies about people (celebrities) are necessarily wrong as long as it stays in your own head. HOWEVER, I would never conflate reality with what I imagined them to be like in my mind or blame the person for acting differently than the fantasy. I can very readily recognize differences between actors and their characters and I know there is a difference between the actor the person vs the actor the public persona. After seeing the comments I’m not so sure others can do the same. Shipping characters love it! But shipping real people weirds me out. Even if they are in a relationship I think there is a line between being supportive and happy for them and shipping them. I’m sad that the top comment is most likely just a troll which but then that just leads people to not think for themselves and just agree. Anyway thank you for the video 💛

[@jonahrichardson3000]

Great content as always! First time commenting on one of your posts but yeah totally agree in the social media point. In Covid, social media was the only reality for people so I guess people applying it to real life is the key blame to the fandomification of real people. The fact that people can't separate characters from real people is so alarming as is when you realise that lots of those misogynist and homophobic comments were made by people in their teens and twenties, the mind boggles. But seriously love your deep dives into pop culture and queer pop culture

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@RaineInChaos]

The internet and influencers have made it so that even mostly normal people have a hard time remembering the difference between real people and fictional personalities. Creators put a lot of themselves into their work, but ultimately they're still showing a work personality. Meanwhile, actors are literally just portraying entirely different fictional personalities. As the lines get blurred, it's hard to remember that they're not all the same thing.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@teddywtheknife57]

I can relate to you losing your mind at the insanity in certain comment sections and replies. I've felt that feeling myself one too many times.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@clockwork.academic]

Reminds me of that one tiktok creator who was adamant that Zendaya was a trans woman and Tom was a trans man which was ABSURD. And even if they were? Big whoop. It doesn't affect my life and it doesn't affect yours either.

[@talistheintrovert]

oh my god I totally forgot about that, those people are bonkers

[@vicky__p]

Just been talking today that things like dating apps don't help with the commodification and dehumanising of people. Just swipe that person away, another one will replace them instantly. :(

[@talistheintrovert]

truuuue 🙏🙏

[@rosykindbunny1313]

At this point there's no such thing as a normal fandom

[@dylanthompson5421]

‘I’m always right with my assumptions’ GAGGED

[@dylanthompson5421]

That paragraph was INSANE!

[@dylanthompson5421]

I literally had the same reaction as you as you were reading it 💀

[@talistheintrovert]

I genuinely felt like I was going round the twist 😭😭

[@talistheintrovert]

MEN AMIRITE-

[@dylanthompson5421]

@@talistheintrovertloop-de-loop 😭😭

[@Lucy-qj8ui]

the way some people act like they are entitled to know the details of famous peoples lives makes me so sad. like seriously i don't get why people cant just leave famous people alone. actors are still people, leave them alone

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@sararatliff7707]

Reading the comments presented in this video actually made my brain hurt. The absolute stupidity is ridiculous. The only thing that gives me a bigger headache is listening to 45 trying to string together a cohesive sentence. And it breaks my heart that the people with common sense were getting verbal shit chucked their way. Just...I can't with people. Seriously, we don't know these people! We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. Leave them alone! Side note, that blouse is lovely and looks so flattering on you! Well done.

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you!! 🥰🥰

[@kittenswithbows]

Im in some mom groups on facebook and i dont know why im still in the onea that are toxic waste 🤷‍♀️ but they are fascinating windows into some stuff, and one thing is "what counts as cheating?" And like, are people so burned from bad relationships or are they just always expecying the worst. Things lots of people think is cheating, or at least bad enough to say their partner cant do: liking pictures on social media, messaging people, having friends, having lunch, havjng a conversation, watching p0rn, watching p0rn and masturbating, and a whole slew of other things. It's the automatic suspicion that i find exhausting. Like mesaaging a person can just be catching up with an old scchool friend. We're not talking sexting, it's nust exchanging mesages with a person and that is somehow automatically suspicious. Or having lunch with a colleague. Just lunch. That's it. Suspicious. How can people stand to remain in relationships where they dont trust their partner to have lunch? So im not surprised 27k people sympathised with poor Tom Holland whose actor girlfriend was in a movie. They probably hold their own relationships to equally arbitrary standards.

[@ThePrincessCH]

I'm starting to see why KZbin started removing comments.

[@talistheintrovert]

🤌

[@SamBryans128]

This is why I don't have Twitter anymore.

[@backgroundcharacter2615]

I see people ship real people constantly. It’s quite uncomfortable tbh. I’ll see fans disregard actors who are married to their spouses to ship them with other actors

[@WhoIsBees]

As a person in the mcyt community SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK! Oh my God the amount of people who speculate on content creator's sexualities and relationships or ship them together. I'm OK when it's shipping their characters but going out and shipping the content creator's together as well is like wtf

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@pipermarau]

any time i hear someone talking about people who had a high profile relationship and say they should get back together all i can think about is how weird and potentially traumatic it must be for families to have to read about that on the front page of tabloids while they are going about their lives. just imagine it's over 20 years later and many of these people have kids, new spouses, and people are talking about how their mom should have stayed with their ex. because i also am long winded and over think things (i'm accepting applications for new friends just tell me what daedra you worship and what mission you save for last in skyrim) it legitimately creeps me out when i hear people swoon over how perfect jlo and puff daddy were, ike and tina, whitney and bobby, brad and angelina, britney and justin. it must feel weird for for jessica alba to have to constantly hear about britney and justin here in 2023 when they dated 20 years ago and they all have kids now from their later relationships. i can't imagine how the kids are going to feel when they find out later that this is how their parents are treated by "adoring fans". could you imagine if you and your high school serious relationship ended and for the rest of your life, possibly at your future wedding with your new found perfect person, you have all your friends and family talking about how tragic it is that you're not back with your ex. can you imagine yourself 20 years into the future looking back on a past relationship and feeling the same about it? possibly not, i mean people change. i could not hang with the crowd i was with at 16-18, we were fucking idiots and that relationship was SOOOO unhealthy. people are creepy and rude to just assume romantic responsibility upon strangers for their own entertainment.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@dazey8706]

i cant believe how SERIOUSLY he wrote, Perception is Zendaya is out in these streets. are we even in the same universe???? cause im in the one where acting is not REALITY⁉️

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@escritora84]

Thank you for this video. I really wish Twitter and most social media like Instagram never existed - it's made celebrities and celebrity culture so constantly front and center that we can no longer look at them as flawed people or as actors just doing a job. The line between being a fan of someone and being a stan has blurred so much that people don't realize how toxic that can be, and it's a shame how people keep projecting their own issues on two people who never asked for their input in the first place.

[@talistheintrovert]

🙏🙏🙏

[@dylanthompson5421]

Your frustration on having to baby men during these kinds of discussions? I felt that 😭😭 have you seen the Alex Garland film ‘Men’? I watched it for the first time last night and I was gooped and gagged at how terrifying it was the way the men in the village treated Harper, the female protagonist, and it wasn’t until the end that I realised that I was so shook because of how normalised this way men treating women in everyday society is 😬👀😳

[@PiaPancakes]

I just read a summary of the movie and holy shit. Aside from the trippy/figurative imagery, I could absolutely see all those events happening to Harper in real life. The real world is terrifying knowing that abuse and stalking is dismissed so easily. Among the many YT comments I have seen: “You are an idiot for not leaving him sooner.” “You couldn’t have married him without EVER seeing the red flags. You should’ve known better.” “You stayed with him even after THAT? You were asking for it” It’s maddening what people will excuse just to feel more secure that the same can’t happen to them.

[@dylanthompson5421]

@@PiaPancakes honestly! It’s so scary and unnerving!

[@talistheintrovert]

ooh no I haven't!! I'll have to check it out

[@dylanthompson5421]

@@talistheintrovert bishhhh, I would recommend! Such a spooky viewing experience, I screamed about 10 times 😳

[@cinnamonmuttons]

I found your channel through your Good Omens video and I've been watching your backlist since and been OBSESSED. Haven't got anything else to say, thought I'd just share that. An entertaining voice of reason, never can have too many of those.

[@talistheintrovert]

that's so kind of you, thank you!! 💛💛

[@grimtheghastly8878]

I feel like a part of this has to do wit our generation's weird shift towards puritantical ideas about love and sex and kink and just how we interact with each other in an intimate way

[@talistheintrovert]

👏👏👏

[@dylanthompson5421]

‘Looks how open and modern I am’ 💀💀💀💀

[@hollo0o583]

I didn’t know either of these scenes/trailers existed, but I full on believed they had brocken up because everyone was acting like they had announced the end of their relationship. WTF?

[@talistheintrovert]

isn't it bizarre??

[@G.F.SF55]

I already agree with the title

[@tabbycat55]

I love how grounded you are. ❤

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you!! 🥰

[@wa11ie]

i have seen so many unhinged comment sections this week and somehow the kissing your costars on television in a carefully choreographed way is cheating discussion takes the cake. this has got to be all younger teenagers who think that their first partner looking at someone else for .2 seconds too long is cheating, right? …right?

[@talistheintrovert]

god do I hope so

[@MistChrome]

I need the "He's getting RAILED. Congrats!" tattooed on my left buttcheek now, thanks

[@talistheintrovert]

omg DO ITTTT 🙏🙏🙏

[@blondefisk]

I suppose that this means Z is actually an addict lile Rue, and Tom really is.... Spiderman?

[@talistheintrovert]

god you're so right

[@XSkittles90210]

I am so happy the algorithm led me to your channel! Not only is your content so engaging, but 9/10 times you put my thoughts into words (which I struggle with daily).

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you so much!! 🥰🥰🥰

[@XSkittles90210]

No, thank you! Every new video I watch of yours feels like I'm opening a personal treasure chest! Also, you finally gave me the push I needed to watch Good Omens season 2, which I absolutely loved! Keep up the fantastic work and I hope you are able to manage your stress.@@talistheintrovert

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

I think I got an aneurism from watching this. That or my brain is trying to shut down as trauma response.

[@talistheintrovert]

we should start a club lol

[@charlesrockafellor4200]

I know that it's a little off topic, but... Grieg's "In the Hall of the Mountain King"!!! ❤❤❤

[@magnysvoss]

I really enjoy your videos! Learning so much and now you’ve made me love sexy asexuals so much more! Keep it up but also take care of those spoons! Also whenever stuff like this breaks out with par-asocial drama and “supposed cheating” my autistic polyamorous ass is always so confused. I love seeing my partners kiss other people, professionally or not. I hate that people are so immature and incapable of recognizing what relationships are really about. It’s not about possession, it’s about trust.

[@talistheintrovert]

🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌

[@fionamclary7631]

Nah you're fully right about covid messing with our brains and boundaries because I was a peer tutor at my college for three years and the first-years that I worked with in the 2021-2022 year (when we came back in person)? Those kids were Not Okay. Things that you shouldn't even say on social media in the first place were getting bandied about irl to people's faces. A first-year posted a very explicit submission about what they'd do to one of my tutoring colleagues if they were single to an anonymous crush ig page (also run by a first-year). Said page put a moratorium on submissions about faculty after tons of people expressed how wildly uncomfortable it made them to have people posting sexual things about their professors. Someone wrote a HerCampus article claiming that a tradition in which a very small group of students belonging to an unofficial campus club run around in underwear one night of the year constituted sexual harrassment. Multiple conversations had to be had about how it is not appropriate to speak TikTok thirst trap comments aloud in real life to someone you find attractive. Whew. It was unhinged. And the whole time I was like "I guess this is what happens when you're in Zoom school for your entire senior year of high school." Weirdly, last year's crop of first-years was more normal. There was the usual messy first-year drama, which is a canon event, but the boundaries seemed better. This fall I'll be a grad student, and I'll be interested to track the behavior and development of the undergrads I'll be teaching as a TA. I'm really hoping that not finishing high school online and isolated is the key to entering college as a well-adjusted human with boundaries.

[@talistheintrovert]

😬😬😬😬

[@paulaluiize]

thanks to these people, I feel smart

[@talistheintrovert]

TRULY 🤌🤌

[@emilyrln]

1:52 "stay strong my bot Tom" I can't decide which is funnier, the implication that Tom is a bot or the pun 😂

[@talistheintrovert]

🤣🤣🤣

[@angelmagickcosplay4162]

This extreme fan culture blows my mind. I've seen fans in China get an entire fabfic website banned because they wrote and posted a story about the actors (not the characters) from untamed. They were already quite different in age, but they de aged them even more to make one of them REALLY young. Not only was the site banned, the actor had to make a public apology for their fans behaviour. Don't even get me started about the ignorance surrounding why they can't show the characters as actually gay in their shows and movies. They do a great job, given the legalities of their country 🤦‍♀️

[@talistheintrovert]

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@elisabethn2893]

Yikes, at least there were 2 normal people in the trailer comment section. And you

[@talistheintrovert]

💛💛

[@DaemonDesiree]

My favorite is Lin Manuel Miranda recalling that his wife used to boo him kissing Maria Reynolds when he played Hamilton

[@MrSandman_0981]

Love your content! I was wondering about this phenomenon for years (since Jelena)

[@talistheintrovert]

👏👏👏

[@viktoriavadon2222]

I discovered your channel recently and I'm really enjoying your presentation style! Also hard agree on all that you said.

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you so much!! 🥰

[@pandamystery5990]

i actually hope both the individuals are doing well cuz honestly these comments must be traumatising to hear

[@Cenmeow]

those people are undoubtedly projecting their feelings onto tom and zendaya instead of wondering what they really think. do they really think that there's no communication between them at all, or that they don't understand each other?

[@ixfalia]

Just wanted to say I just love your perspective and your passionate consideration for the fellow human beings we all are. I think you're making important points and you're making them entertainingly. You are one the best ranters I've seen and I'm glad you're using that power for good. I know it might seem to some that you're just talking about inconsequential things but you've made the case over and over about how it highlights greater social issues going on in the human Internet sphere. I hope you continue to keep good boundaries and rest when you need to, cherish those spoons well.

[@talistheintrovert]

that's so kind of you, thank you!! 🥰🥰🥰

[@really-quite-exhausted]

I... was unaware that Tom and Zendaya were even dating? Are they even dating? I know MJ and Peter got together but????? The actors?? Am I missing something? Maybe I'm too early in the video lmao.

[@really-quite-exhausted]

Ohhh ok I get it. I was so concerned that part of this video was gonna be about people fabricating *their* relationship out of nothing as well as the percieved *cheating* with their cast mates. Still just as bad and stupid either way though.

[@JudithHoffman-t1n]

I understand the urge to try to educate the ignoramuses in social media who say such shit and to try to defend people and ideas that you care about. But I also think it's a waste of your energy, talent and time. What if absolutely no one paid any attention at all to them because that's what they really deserve? You have done some absolutely glorious vlogs about entertainment, sexual information, interpretation of famous people's insidious comments, word overuse etc. You have so many ideas for other vlogs. Given a choice, I'd choose to see more about Asian entertainment, particularly film and series reviews as I am always desperately searching for new shows to watch. And where's a list of all 347 shows you watched? Meanwhile thank you for all you have done. You're amazing!

[@flashyfool]

Recently found your channel and I'm really into how insightful you are in your videos. Excited to watch this one!

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you so much!! 🥰🥰

[@dylanthompson5421]

I’d love to see a video on your viewpoint on how Oseman handled Isaac’s character and his exploration of asexuality in the second series of Heartstopper! I thought it was really sensitively handled, but as an ace person yourself, I’d be interested to hear your take 😅 or literally anything Heartstopper. I saw loads of TikToks posted by gay men about how they had to stop watching Heartstopper 2 because it was too cringey and how they had to face their own internalised homophobia as a result and went back to watching it. My younger brother came round yesterday and I asked if he’d watched it, and he said no, it’s cringe. And I literally went ‘ew! You’re not one of those gays who’s not watching it because it’s cringey?’ SIS! If you’re cringing this hard at innocent, pure, queer love being presented onscreen, you gotta ask yourself why you’re cringing so hard. Is it internalised homophobia? Are you jealous that these FICTIONAL characters are having such sweet and wholesome connections with fellow queers in their friendship circle in school when you didn’t? Like, what’s the tea?!

[@talistheintrovert]

oof the second half of this comment IS actually a small part of what my next video I'm writing is going to be about lol, because it's so real and it's honestly kinda damaging to all of us that we handwave away new queer content as either too innocent and cringey or too horny and fetishzy, like it's exhausting honestly

[@talistheintrovert]

and on the ace stuff yeah absolutely!! but we always knew it would be because Alice Oseman is aroace 🤌

[@dylanthompson5421]

@@talistheintrovert I can’t wait to watch!!

[@dylanthompson5421]

@@talistheintrovert ICON

[@antidotebrain69]

Personally I don't understand the obsession with the personal lives of celebrities, influencers and such. I can barely be bothered to cut out buying stuff from celebs and influencers who do truly bad stuff let alone care about relationships.

[@iintervallum]

as someone who doesn't like rpf and finds it weird, i kind of have to state why there are some people who do like it and write/read it: for some (reasonable) people, they are fully aware that they're engaging in a fictionalized verison of the people they are writing about, and know not to cross boundaries by talking about their fanfics publicly, they keep it to appropriately tagged works or even just private group chats, and just take it as a fun fictional thing to do, or a fantasy to engage in since they know its not real. because when you think about it, what differentiaties something like historical fiction, which takes real world events or people and creates a story about them which may diverge from what actually happened(something like OFMD for example!), and the act of writing rpf? generally as long as the people who write it don't like @ the people they are writing about or spread baseless rumours about them based on their fantasies of them, its relatively harmless like in the case of the infamous shippers of dan and phill if the shippers just kept it to themselves then no problems would have happened, but nope, some people had to be weirdos and post what they made publicly. essentially as long as people do not blur the lines between ficiton and reality, its all good. however there are so many people who just do not know how to conduct themsevles online, and just say whatever they want because they think that basic decency doesn't matter when its the internet, and stalking is somehow okay when it comes to Public Figures. anyways, i really liked your video! not trying to shame your perspective since i also get thinking that shipping real people is gross, but i'm just trying to show another perspective of it.

[@Alikeablepeach]

Just spraying truth as per usual

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@barbs86]

There is nothing better than a cute couple to make all the romantic singles to feel terrible. There is nothing worse than basement dwellers trying to destroy the cute couple for no apparent reason. We are bystanders to their relationship, we can either go “aw” and move on or ignore it. WE do not have agency in their private lives. THEY do. THEY are both actors and are just doing their jobs. Aside from the portrayal of Tom and Zendaya being intimate with other actors WHILE DOING THEIR JOBS, I am pretty sure it is a Hollywood rule that actors are not allowed to have real sex in scenes, even if they are all consenting or in a real relationship. You get intimacy coordinators to make it look real, but that is as far as it goes. Even if the actors WERE cheating on each other, we as the creepy peepers in the bush do not have any obligation or right to jump out and tell them they can’t do that. Sure you can walk by and ask if everything is alright, but we can’t just spread rumors or treat them like objects because of our very surface level view of the two at work. And this applies to anyone: just because someone smiles at you at a counter and says ‘have a nice day’, it doesn’t mean they think you’re their friend, and it doesn’t mean they are happy. It’s just part of work. And yeah, there’s no harm in looking at a picture of their family on the counter and saying something nice, but imagine harassing this person about how it looks like their family secretly hates them.

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@emilyrln]

When we say "abolish private property," we don't mean people's private lives 💀 there's a difference between private property and personal property, and celebrity relationships fall into the latter category. That shit ain't your business!

[@talistheintrovert]

🙌🙌🙌

[@Lifenextdoor]

Great video

[@quinnsmusings]

Honestly any video you want to make I want to watch, you come across so thoughtful and wonderful. I realise that's not an overly helpful answer so ummmm... a show dissection ala the idol but a show that brings you joy?

[@talistheintrovert]

omg this is so lovely of you!! I am currently working on a two hour video about the comedy-procedural show Psych, so you'll be getting a video on that at some point in the future!! !

[@w0obat]

great video

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you!!

[@theblackicetiger533]

Kind of off topic, but I really like the style of this unscripted video :) Great job!

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you so much!!

[@nezumi217]

These people can't tell the difference between reality and TV which is really scary because these people are just wandering around and active parts of society making decisions that affect people in everyday life

[@talistheintrovert]

😬😬😬

[@annasaddiction5129]

The stuipidity of the human norm, really isn't well with all those viral able plattforms. I miss offline life at times (but I can't leave either because sh*t now am an KZbin TV& Podcast addict)

[@dylanthompson5421]

THIS SHIRT ! PINK STAR SO SLAY

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you angel!!

[@dylanthompson5421]

@@talistheintrovertof course, icon xoxob

[@kathryn2016]

Love how they bring up porn as if that’s a got’cha argument- when pornstars have been in monogamous/loving relationships outside work for decades

[@talistheintrovert]

👏👏👏

[@skyeoak3]

This video was great!

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you!! 🥰🥰🥰

[@mayowhishes]

It would really help me understand what your talking about rn if you explained what bl was before using an abbreviation for something I've never heard before 😭

[@mayowhishes]

sure I'll switch videos just to figure out wtf you're comparing it too

[@mayowhishes]

this sounds wild

[@mayowhishes]

and you're acting like it's as big as spiderman and i should just KNOW the show ur talking of please what is it

[@talistheintrovert]

sorry you're having trouble with that, I'm going off the assumption that most people on my channel are there because of gay content, which is what BL is.

[@LadyLightningstorm]

I did not need to hear that scene. My goodness.

[@aprilshowers3246]

very interesting nice video!

[@talistheintrovert]

thank you!

[@Bumbelburpen]

Girl, at 21 minutes in - pop offfff

[@talistheintrovert]

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[@melissaquinn1463]

I’m pretty sure celebrity shipping has been around since the fan mags of the 1930’s, when the studios used their stable of actors like pawns to promote films. Ever see the beginning of Singing in the Rain? That gossip reporter was a parody of the real thing. The mind boggles at how simple and stupid we’ve allowed ourselves to become.