Morals from where? | Slim - California | Talk Heathen 3.35 with Eric Murphy & Vi La Bianca

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[@hershy1594]

"Do you understand what an ad hominem is?" "Yes I do." Continues to explain why Darwin was racist

[@dannyspitzer1267]

The chances of Slim coming out of his delusion are.....slim

[@dannyspitzer1267]

@Daniel Justin haha, thanks 😁😁

[@kearstinnekenerson6676]

Rotflol love your humour

[@Джонатан-р8д]

Haaaaaaa! He said Slim.

[@robertlongwill8856]

Danny Spitzer chances are slim and none LOL and slim left the building

[@sarahk6944]

@Daniel Justin 0

[@bfont]

By Slim's logic, a god could command people to do something bad, and the people who did it would be bad, yet god stays good. A bad king could never exist.

[@myoneblackfriend3151]

Darwin uses “races” to refer to life forms of various types. The point wasn’t to be racist at all.

[@kelthekonqrr]

I also don't think he meant that.

[@fullMetaLxMantis]

If these creationist halfwits were actually honest or read the damn book they wouldn't be so ignorant to evrn bother with that, Darwin did not mention Humanity in that book at all as his main point. The wilful ignorance just blows my fucking mind from these people...

[@andrejones2147]

fullMetaLxMantis have you ever honestly read the Bible..... in context ?

[@fullMetaLxMantis]

@@andrejones2147 what does that have anything to do with Darwin?

[@CPCGamer]

My go-to example of how silly the racist point is: Darwin refers to different races of cabbage. It's just the word he used to delineate between one type of thing and another.

[@natsdad300]

Jesus never forced people to follow his teachings? wtf follow Jesus or be tortured forever

[@myoneblackfriend3151]

Kevin Hosking, isn’t funny how the caller let that slip his mind.

[@cnemesys2156]

@Tom H if I point a gun to someone head and ask them to pass me $200 if they want to live, Im sure that is not a choice but a hostage situation.

[@myoneblackfriend3151]

Chanin Chuthavanitchkul, I think he was be sarcastic. If the show was “Talk Jesus” we would know he was serious.

[@cnemesys2156]

@@myoneblackfriend3151 thanks for clearifying but I already get that he is being sarcastic.

[@momszycat4148]

Actually that's not what Jesus said,is it? Religion is made up by humans,just like God is made up. What's reported that Jesus's philosophy was refutes the God in the old testament. Idk because the bible is not a reliable source of information. There are good human interaction stories and scary monster stories, like fairytales, that ppl have been telling for thousands of years trying to explain life and nature the best they could.

[@ET-jv1wm]

Eric is sounding more and more like Matt the longer he does this lol!!

[@Antis14CZ]

I'm not surprised. That's what listening to people like this will do to you. I'm no activist, I'm just a guy who likes to tune in this kind of stuff from time to time, but I gotta take breaks. I can't begin to imagine what it's like to listen to people like this for a living.

[@lilchickennugget8155]

ET i was thinking the same thing , watching him get furious..i love these guys!! We need more of them!❤

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Yeah except Eric says "Why should I care?" and Matt says "How do you know?". Matt's question get's to the guts of the callers claim quicker and is a better question imo.

[@bruceshand8052]

That would be a good thing.

[@austinpowers8550]

Matt articulates things better and doesn't come off as a condescending dick like Eric does. It's like he takes things personally and Matt doesn't.

[@MCMasterChef]

“If there is no morality in evolution, where did morality come from.” Might as well be asking “if there is no math in evolution, where does math come from?”

[@burntgod7165]

"Morality" is just a word we use to explain social behaviours within a social species.

[@zachrichardson5581]

Exactly it's nothing special or divine.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

Exactly, as evolved

[@kimberleymurray1863]

Man is barely mentioned in ‘The Origin of Species’, Darwin discusses man in ‘The descent of man’, and Darwinism is nothing to do with Darwin.

[@evidencebased1]

A simple read of “Charles Darwin” on Wikipedia would inform Slim or any of the “Darwinism” critics that the man was born into a time and social position that would have affected his views on social issues. Nevertheless, Darwin was a strong proponent of emancipation and his journeys on the HMS Beagle informed him that natives across the world were capable of achieving equal intelligence. That some folks used his theory to promote racism and eugenics in no more Darwin’s fault than blaming the atomic bomb on the discovers of nuclear fission. I did not understand why Eric seemed to want to distance morality from evolution. To me human evolution explains very well why we care if our neighbor is stolen from or killed. We are a social species and our group and our personal genes survive better when we look out for the well being of all.

[@Lonewolf---]

"Well I believe God is true, God is just, God is . . .uh . . .loving, God is merciful . . ." I agree! Bible verses like these are probably just typos: Exodus 22:3 --condones slavery Exodus 22:18 --commanded to kill "witches" Leviticus 18:22 --condemns homosexuality as if it was a choice Leviticus 20:13 --condemns homosexuals to death, as if it was a choice Leviticus 25:44-46 --condones slavery Leviticus 27:28-29 --human sacrifice to God Numbers 31:1-18 --mass murder of innocents and taking sex slaves Judges 11:30-40 --human sacrifice to God for victory in battle 1 Samuel 15:2-8 --a mass murder of innocents for revenge 2 Samuel 21:1-9 --human sacrifice to God in exchange for lifting a famine 2 Kings 2:23, 24 --the slaughter of 42 children for mocking a bald man Luke 1:11-20 --punished for questioning God (disbelief) Romans 1:26-32 --condemns homosexuals to death, as if it was a choice 1 Corinthians 5:7 --the New Testament human sacrifice Ephesians 6:5 --condones slavery 1 Timothy 6:1-2 --condones slavery

[@dionettaeon]

You forgot Luke 14:26 and Matthew 10:34-37 where Jesus says that you are to hate your family and your own life to be worthy of him. Then of course there's the forced abortion in Numbers 5 if the husband feels jealous or suspicious, or how Matthew 5:28-30 tells you to dismember yourself if these pieces "offend you" by thinking/feeling a certain way. And who could forget the story of how Abraham was about to kill Isaac as God told him to as a test of faith?

[@Ycekhold]

*_"AM I NOT MERCIFUL?!?!?!"_* -(Emperor Commodus- Jehovah)

[@campfireaddict6417]

@@dionettaeon People like to believe that god stopped Abraham from wielding the weapon of murder but it was an angel. not god. stupid, horrible, asinine thing to do to a person. Would you kill ANY child if someone told you to? Yet Abraham and god are seen as awesome in this idiotic story. Pathetic.

[@dionettaeon]

@@campfireaddict6417 And it's terrifying that there are some people who say they would actually go through with it, and others who condemn themselves because they wouldn't be able to!

[@levitaggart5943]

That's quite a rap sheet. Tip of the iceberg. List all of The Alpha & Omega's greatest hits & he would truly be THE WORST CRIMINAL OF ALL TIME ! Even as fiction it makes you say, GOD-DAMN ! THIS MUGGAFUGGA !

[@tedgrant2]

The purpose of morals is to guide behaviour. Usually the behaviour of other people. I want everybody to be nice to me. For example, give me money.

[@The231447LucidDevTeam]

That thumbnail is pure gold!

[@frankanderson5012]

Asks for their opinion on where morality comes from then replies to their answer by saying I don’t care where you think morality comes from!! Good one Slim, then why ask. Not the sharpest tool in the toolbox are you?

[@TheTruthKiwi]

He was doing what most theist callers do except he actually said that he doesn't care instead of just thinking it. Idiots, all of them.

[@John_Demarco]

So scientists and teachers wanted slavery but conservatives didn't? I seem to remember it was the other way around. And weren't conservatives the ones fighting against women voting, blacks voting, interracial marriages, and human rights in general? Heck, you still have conservatives fighting for segregation today. Have conservatives EVER been on the right side of history? How can anyone say that morality comes from religion? Slim sounds like a really smart guy and I agree with a lot of what he said, but that's just flat out wrong.

[@mdadtka]

Since the founding of America, slavery was an issue. In 1860, the Republican Party were the Liberals of the time. The Democrats were pro slavery and conservative. So, there was a rift and a huge change throughout history. And here we are today. Republicans who say, we're not racist see in the past, are uninformed idiots. We must judge from the here and now.

[@jamestor6700]

@@mdadtka exactly, even if they were the same party as the ones who fought against slavery it doesn't make everyone back then weren't racist, it doesn't make those currently in the party not racist. Anyone who claims they are not racist and use other peoples actions in an attempt to defend themselves are either dishonest or fools

[@madeline9669]

To see Eric start out patient and then slowly start to get really irritated with Slim. Lol! His frustration is totally justified there!

[@guitargodthor2]

Darwin never said anything racist. At the time of his book, the term "species" didn't exist yet so he referred to different types of animals as being different races. If he was racist, that has nothing to do with anything, who cares. He was still one of the smartest people of his time and he advanced our knowledge 10x.

[@henrikrolfsen584]

Moral Laws evolved just like every other survival mechanism. As Social Primates, our very survival is dependent upon our being socialized, and integrated into larger social groups. Guilt feelings are an important mechanism which enhances not only the survival of the individual, but contributes to the survival of the overall group. Sigmund Freud was the first scientist to describe the layered construction of the Human Psyche, and it's various functions. The Three Layered Psyche explains, in a sober, and keen eyed scientific way, how social interaction works, and how it contributes to societal harmony, and productivity. With Freud, we witness the first treatment of the examination of Human Behavior, as taken out of the realms of philosophy, and religion, and made a part of scientific inquiry. No "Spirit Beings" handed down laws for proper behavior to humans. Humans themselves made all the laws. Humans wrote all the moral codes. Humans are the final judges of human behavior, not any "Super-Natural Spirit Beings".

[@devb9912]

*"A parent teaches their child what is good, and the child learns that and later acts accordingly... cuz children aren't just born good."* And THERE is an explanation of how morality works without a god from someone insisting a god is required for people to be moral.

[@keithkennard2473]

Slim love hearing his own voice.

[@jmcburney658]

reminds me of a seinfeld episode, kramer: " but where does the meat go?"

[@jlane-fc7yc]

Ok but where do you turn it on?

[@riffhammeron]

Nothing can be just and merciful. These are opposing ideas.

[@bengreen171]

Eric - "euthyphro? -it's just a small story by Plato" Slim - "it's been a while since I read it, but I think I enjoyed it..." Everyone.- You didn't read it Slim.

[@timthielke3541]

Eric butchered both Euthyphro's spelling and the dilemma itself.

[@bengreen171]

@@timthielke3541 I don't remember. But I suspect whatever Eric did or didn't do, Slim was the more ignorant here.

[@timthielke3541]

@@bengreen171 Oh absolutely. And Vi corrected the errors anyway. But still, it was not his best performance.

[@bengreen171]

@@timthielke3541 I'll take your word for it. I think he sometimes overloads trying to 'play the part' of host while maybe trying to be two steps ahead of hte callers all the while having to bite his tongue too - I can imagine it's easy to get a bit ragged now and again.

[@kjaime7030]

If he would actually bother to READ Darwin's book, he would see that there is no discussion of humans within it, so the subtitle has nothing to do with races of human and superiority. I think it's clear from LATER writings of Darwin that he may have had some unpopular ideas in this regard, but at the same time, he stood against slavery at a time when others were using the idea that Africans were less than human to justify the slave trade, so in terms of evolution, no, this original book and the theory of evolution he initiated were not racist ideas. Some others later used them to be this way, something called Social Darwinism (also Eugenics), but that's not at all the same thing.

[@highwaydaytime7669]

Plus Darwin was disturbed by what he was observing as it was putting his own faith in jeopardy. But he evening's came to the realization that what the Bible preaches is out of date compared to what his eyes were telling him. He was mocked and shunned by science and his family for just stating what he was finding but he did the right and MORAL thing of pushing on down the path of truth.

[@divergentthg7925]

Kind of reminds me of what I seen so many other things in life that people worry more about who is saying it and not what is being said

[@DJ8017]

Morality- Doing what is right regardless of what you are told. Obedience- Doing what you are told, regardless of what is right. Religious requirements - Commanded obedience and belief in a "might makes right" dictator, who is asserted to be moral. Religious people are NOT using their morality, or acting morally. They are obeying because they are told that their "might makes right" dictator is moral and that he will reward them for their obedience.

[@scrobag1]

slim is not a very smart guy. He just babbles on and on.

[@TheKosmikid]

THE PEOPLE SING religious troll

[@MrShigura]

TheKosmikid His mom says he’s cool...

[@jonammons5882]

@ammar siddiqui He did, he likes his own comments every time. He is the laziest troll currently on this channel and thats a hard place to defend.

[@MacLaw3084]

Todd Cronin yea but come on, Erick was terrible in this clip.

[@duncanbryson1167]

@@ralfhaggstrom9862 Carefull, Chump might offer him a department. He keeps running out of heads when they do something that forces them to resign. Or he calls them stupid (those HE appointed of course) so often he has to end up firing them.

[@Ben-px6hw]

I hear this so much, the title of Darwin's book is not referring to races in the regard we do today. It refers to species. In the book he refers to races of cabbages and trees, etc... Sure, he may be racist. But the title of the book has nothing to do with race in the way we see it.

[@gabriellavedier9650]

Not even that. He was an abolitionist and anticolonialist.

[@robby7499]

Oh, shit, I never saw Eric could get that pissed.

[@DJ-73]

@THE PEOPLE SING Christian's first rule for themselves..... To remain ignorant and delusional

[@robby7499]

@THE PEOPLE SING Shut up, troll.

[@Julian0101]

@THE PEOPLE SING Troll detected, spam reported.

[@Chaturanger]

Morality is a social construction. Morality results from rational choices. Morality results from a complex interaction of genes, neural processes, and social interactions. Hence the origins of morality are both neural and social.

[@adversarysatan8059]

-Shifting of the Burden of Proof onus probandi (also known as: burden of proof [general concept], burden of proof fallacy, misplaced burden of proof, shifting the burden of proof) Description: Making a claim that needs justification, then demanding that the opponent justifies the opposite of the claim. The burden of proof is a legal and philosophical concept with differences in each domain. In everyday debate, the burden of proof typically lies with the person making the claim, but it can also lie with the person denying a well-established fact or theory. Like other non-black and white issues, there are instances where this is clearly fallacious, and those which are not as clear.

[@ephramwalton]

Slim should have just been honest and admitted he only knows the title and didn't read and or understand the book.

[@curbotize]

I'm a new subscriber and I watched a few episodes. You guys are fuckin witty. It's the wit that made me subscribe. Some of these callers though. It's like they haven't watched a single episode before they have a go at you guys.

[@adamsilva9611]

Eric, bro. You're waaay overboard. You gotta take it easy, brother. Slim is trying to discuss stuff with you and you're flying off the handle. The way to help the lost like him isn't to 'Idontcare' a conversation away, it's to explain that Darwin may have had some (to us) racist views, but his study of animal species isn't rooted in them. Also, that Darwin doesn't even talk about races of humans. You could have explained that to him and encouraged him to read the book. Instead you barked at him and fucked the whole vibe up. No more coffee (or whatever) before calls, dude.

[@Bashamo257]

Basically this. Coulda handled this a bit better.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Try dealing with an endless litany of these people and see how you do...

[@anthonynork9718]

That is actually a pretty interesting thing, in my studying becoming a teacher I had to do a seminar on how morality develops with age. The probably biggest theory is that it develops in up to 6 steps (the model from Kohlberg). In earlier life we decide about right an wrong mostly if not entirely out of arguments from personal benefits. Like in getting rewards or punishment. Later on we switch to more sociel things, such as the view of other people on the action and the law and stuff like that. This is also tied to the fact, that children must develop the awareness, that other people perceive the world from an other point so they won't know exactly the same things. They can't see or hear the same things is the basis here. Therefore you first just obey your parents, because you know you will get punished if you don't and you don't know at first, that your parents don't know what you know. You realize that they don't and you switch to a wider view, you can benefit from breaking a rule, because you don't always get punished for the rulebreaking. Later on your brain develops the more abstract thinking which leads to you beaing able to see everything again on a wider scale and you can understandy why certain things are forbidden by cultural norms or thr law and then you will try act according to this. There are 2 more steps which look even behind the social constructs but especially the last one is almost never observed why the model is critized and there are attempts to improve it more, but the basic points still seem to hold true.

[@anthonynork9718]

@Dirk Knight might be, I haven't read nearly enough to say that conclusively. What I wrote was more like an idea, definitely I'm not aware of research that would back it up or refute it. The kids don't "learn from punishment" but rather act to avoid punishment or get rewards and it is the foundation at this age for their thinking of right and wrong.

[@anthonynork9718]

@Dirk Knight society is formed by individuals... You can't have certain things until an individual has certain abilities. For example: You can't lie without being aware that others know other things than you. Also you can't have empathy without being able to either take the others perspective or having the cognitive ability to think about is like "I don't want this happening to me, therefore..." Morality is often a pretty vaguely defined term... Depending on the definition you buy into it, since one common definition is just something like "rules in the society on how to act"...

[@anthonynork9718]

@Dirk Knight why should we stop at the law? Laws are made by a small group of people... I bet if you looked at the laws in different countries you would say that many of those are wrong. If you did you would directly contradict yourself...

[@tedgrant2]

Morality is the term we use to represent the rules of behaviour, particularly as it affects people. But we also include the rules regarding the behaviour towards our fellow creatures. For example, we all agree we must not eat the pet dog but it's ok to eat carrots. For a long time, it was ok to hunt foxes with dogs, but now it is illegal. We changed the rule.

[@stevenread5473]

Using the word "evolutionist " is just a loaded term. Darwin did not use the word "evolution" he actually coined the term"decent with modification" the term evolution was not used until much later. I believe what slim is trying do is he's trying to put the scientific theory of evolution on the same shelf as theism.

[@donaldcook2484]

Slim has not read his fairytale book and really doesn't care but has been manipulated and controlled by his religion!!! Nuff said

[@gileswardle3049]

This vicious calumny about Darwin needs to be vigorously knocked on the head, Next time he calls , ask him to admit that he is either ignorant of Darwin's work or a low down dirty liar.

[@zephyr056]

If morality came from God, why do priests and nuns do bad things. I had worked at a school run by Sisters of Mercy nuns and a cover up needed to take place so a written false report was made by the school leaders to discredit me and pass blame to me. At a later stage the head nun must have felt guilty that I was damaged by lies so she wanted to convert an immoral into a moral. She told me about white lies. She did not admit to a lie or say what the story related to but it was obvious. She said that if a lie was for the overall good of the community it was a white lie. (So it was moral for me to be damaged to protect the nuns holy image.) If people wished to read what those nuns did to me google white lies test blog.

[@russellbrooks23able]

Maybe look at it from a different viewpoint? The church with Pope, priests, nuns, is totally a manmade construct. It is serving to build wealth and power. Hence, you can expect no morality from the people involved. Less so from those in charge maintaining the illusion.

[@zephyr056]

@@russellbrooks23able I agree with what you said that from those in charge you can expect no morality. But I think there are some of the lower level who joined the orders because they believed in morals. But it gets me mad when some one who tells how holy they are and tells others they should do the right thing. But then they sneak around the back to do bad themselves. About a month ago some one broke into my car and stole the battery. That did not upset me much. But you would think that the turd would have had the morals to spend a minute to undo the clamps rather than cut all the wires which cost me hours to fix. But if it was an ordinary turd who did it it would not be so bad but if I found it was the local priest, that would get me more mad.

[@andrejones2147]

It’s funny because all the evidence that points to why we NEED a God you look at to refute him.....

[@benjaminmadrigalperez9010]

@@andrejones2147 NEEDING something doesn't means that it exist. On the other hand. The absence of something where it's expected to be, is a very Good signal that it doesn't exist...

[@andrejones2147]

Benjamin Madrigal Pérez right but do you know what the absence of God is ? Clearly you don’t !

[@shannonrusso3635]

What the hell was that sound? 🤣

[@bendingunit2716057]

Shannon Russo that was slim trying to sound intelligent. Lol.

[@Zehnstern]

VERY SIMPLE: I am God. I AM THE AUTHORITY at the center of my own subjective universe. What I like is moral. What I don't like is immoral. I do no harm to anyone undeserving. I live my life and you should live yours. Let me live my life in peace, or else, I might destroy you. Do your own business, but do not interfere with mine.

[@andrejones2147]

Zehnstern Astrologie make sure you save yourself when you need to be saved too since your-your own god

[@segoayah]

Morality comes forth from man's in humanity from war.

[@robwhythe793]

A question: If Slim is looking back at earlier civilisations and saying they acted in an immoral way, he is claiming that our current society is able to define what is moral and what is not. Yet what if a future society looks back at us and claims we are acting in an immoral way? Such as, for instance, allowing a massive imbalance of wealth and opportunity between most of the population and a favoured few? What we currently believe to be moral may be viewed in future as immoral. In other words, morality cannot be objective. And it is arrogant of us to claim that it is.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

13:25 He asked where morality comes from. She explained the most logical and rational cause for morality. He says he doesn't care what she thinks. Wilfully ignorant much? Also, Eric is a bit off on the morality and evolution thing imo. I agree with Jamie in saying that as we evolved into and as a society our morals and ethics also evolved and became more complex. From cavemen and cavewomen to functioning societies over hundreds of thousands of years. Our morals did literally evolve.

[@aotua1033]

Should have rolled with the parent analogy. If a parent tells their kid that kicking dogs in the head is a moral thing to do, does that make it a moral thing to do?

[@nonyabidnazz7487]

I've been asked to do some shady shit at work.. I quit the caller said he'd quietly comply.. he's immoral..

[@Zpostate]

Slim sounds like a Kent Hovind acolyte.

[@AlexGordonMusic]

I love Vi..... so..... so much.

[@colinsixhitter3303]

Even other animals have a moral code, you know the animals that god gave us to use and abuse because we are special. Morality is innate and the only difference is we write our moral codes down and then religious con artists pretend god did it to gain control over the weak minded. Politicians use morals to control and subjugate and society use morals to force contrition. I have no god, I live my life with no need for a god. I know what is right and wrong and do not need anyones elses moral code that has been formed into a club to beat others with or justify murder, genocide and hate.

[@duncanbryson1167]

Only taking exception to the first word: "Even..." - we are all animals. I'd recently thought of this as a counter to religious arguments re where do we get our morals from. My response - where do other animals like the great apes and elephants get their morals from.

[@colinsixhitter3303]

@@duncanbryson1167 Agreed we are another animals. I get pulled for saying mankind not humankind as well. Edited added 'other' To me morals are born out of necessity and the environment. Animals most definitely display they have a moral code, what I wonder is do the ones that realise their mortality also have a god.

[@8698gil]

We haven’t always had the bible, but people have had a moral code of ethics since the Stone Age. Our survival depended on mutual cooperation, which in turn led to our feelings of love, compassion, and empathy. It is these traits that most of us base our morality on. Things like not stealing, committing murder or telling malicious lies are the natural result of having these character traits. I don’t see any reason for a god being responsible. If that were true, would every theist who lost his faith suddenly became an immoral monster? Wouldn’t the prisons be filled with atheists? Our morality comes from within ourselves and the values we hold to be important. They are not external and contingent upon any outside force like a god.

[@howerpower-gaming1666]

Secular morality is superior and evolves and gets better, because its not based on magic bullshit. Religious morality is locked, and has to ignore the horrors in the book.

[@freelythinkit5635]

This is where religious teachings of individuality and modern technology blinds us. As a species we are not the fastest, strongest, dont have the best sight, can't survive in different climates.... UNLESS we cooperate. That cooperation helps us build shelter, hunt, defend, and create technology. Without that the species would have died off!

[@Waltham1892]

Someone was cranky this morning.

[@tedgrant2]

We get out morals in the same way that we get our language.

[@andrejones2147]

tedgrant2 makes no sense.... did dogs develop morals with their barking. Or cats with their meow....?maybe lions with their roar?.... your killing me smalls

[@tedgrant2]

@@andrejones2147 Yes

[@tedgrant2]

@@andrejones2147 Wasps will die to protect their nests from invaders. My dog has never tried to eat my fingers, but he often looks longingly at the sofa.

[@petersmafield8722]

I get my morals from almost anywhere except any religious text what so ever.

[@Steveman27]

Is it just me, or this guy Eric Murphy more patient with the callers than Matt Dillahunty is?

[@shanehisle1294]

YES DARWINS BOOK IS TALKING ABOUT ANIMAL'S NOT HUMAN with reference to races.

[@brianmonks8657]

Morality is an assessment each person makes. Don't confuse this with Ethics, which is your society's agreed upon morality. Each person's morality is strongly influenced by the ethics of the society they grew up in, but it rarely exactly matches. That's why societies have laws to enforce their version of ethical behavior on its members.

[@dredre49]

They could it made a lot easier when slim said that morality in america came from the christian god. But he also said that other counties have other moralities. But the other countries claim their moralities came from their gods

[@JerryPenna]

Don’t think slim “enjoyed” the Euthyphro dilemma . He needs to revisit it. He said he appreciates both sides, but it’s a dilemma. Don’t think he understands that.

[@inertiaforce7846]

Eric seemed a little bit pissed off in this clip it would be nice for these two to have a discussion where Eric isn't having a bad day. I'm an atheist and I agree with Eric but I'm just saying he didn't come off very good in this discussion.

[@Void-Realm]

It seems quite common that he's like that. There's a few where he's great but overall it seems he comes across pissed off or rude.

[@D_Parks]

Eric gets so upset when theists frustrates him. He learned from Matt I guess. Btw I like both Eric and Matt and I am a huge fan.

[@MrPaul0123]

I don't think the argument is about what God says. I think it is that God puts morality into our hearts and this is how we know what objective morality is weather we believe in him or not. I prefer the argument that we are moral creatures because being moral is beneficial to our own lives and a benefit to our species, I don't think we are the only moral species. Of course people vary in how moral they are individually.

[@rayxav]

Whenever someone brings up Darwin in regards to ATHEISM, you guys should immediately inform them that Darwin’s book was referring to plants and other animals, NOT HUMANS. Tell them to read the book instead of the title.

[@brysimms]

Slim sounds like C.T. Fletcher

[@krissanders987]

Wow.. I can tell he was a black dude and he actually mentioned slavery a couple times to Eric. Matt would have jumped on him so fast on topic of his god and morality and slavery

[@Julian0101]

@David Anewman This coming form the person who said "Right and wrong is whatever I say it is. " sounds empty. Nice attempt at trolling though.

[@MacLaw3084]

Kris Sanders prove he was black, please.

[@Julian0101]

@David Anewman Your opinion has as much value as your worthless and murderous god. Failed troll fails again.

[@Julian0101]

​@David Anewman Wrong, your murdeorus god is a walking failure, so you follow its steps as a good deluded and failed troll.

[@Notthetimeforit]

@@Julian0101 oh I'm starting to love you. I've had my fun with David but your replies are gold.

[@gravitywaves2796]

Actually yes Darwin was talking about different animal species when referring to races not races of people the way we use the term today. Also Eric is incorrect in saying there is no tie between evolution and morality, we most certainly evolved as social creatures. So much facepalm in this call.

[@TheKosmikid]

There is no connection between evolution and morality. Evolution is a scientific process. Morals are abstract.

[@TheNomad94]

@David Anewman If you're not just trolling to get a reaction out of people, you are *severely* uneducated on science. That's not an insult, that's a fact. Like evolution. Either way, stop and rethink your life decisions if they led you to spout garbage on Talk Heathen videos for no reason.

[@Julian0101]

@David Anewman Ohhh!!! trigered troll detected. You are losing your touch david, you used to be better, i guess that is the fate of all failed apologetics.

[@TheKosmikid]

David Anewman evolution is science, not religion. Are you truly this stupid?

[@burntgod7165]

A modified Euthyphro states: "Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?" Messes with theists.

[@timhyatt9185]

the laws about slavery in the american south, it was NOT the "scientists and teachers" who argued in favor of slavery.. it was the religous leaders, decrying african-americans as "sub-human" and that it was the "god-given duty" of the white man to "take care" of the slaves..... In the North, it was those teachers and scientists, who said the slaves were people too, and were fundamentally the same sort of being as their white slave owners. Darwin was probably the "least" racist you could find for his era... and the word "races" in the title was NOT used in the way it is today....

[@jonny46ba]

there is no morality in physics, so I don't believe in gravity.

[@andrejones2147]

jonny46ba you shouldn’t... you only need gravity so you don’t fall off of a spinning basketball....... you guys wanna talk about fairytales ?????? Let’s talk

[@jonny46ba]

uh-oh! .. flerf alert! engage facepalm protection!

[@montythebugman6308]

Slim gets his morality from the god of the Bible? That would make Slim a moral monster.

[@thomasmurrell6908]

Anyone who takes their morals from the bible needs to take a long serious look at themselves.

[@gulgul877]

has slim ever read the 'origin of species' infact has slim ever read any book but the bible

[@tashacrawford770]

I don’t even think he’s read the Bible.

[@庫倫亞利克]

I read the Bible when I was a Christian. Smelled the rat right on the spot and struggled really hard to come to terms with why God does so many horrible things and still demands us to love him. Sadly, it was not until many years later did I identify that "off" feeling as being rightfully so.

[@drdaverob]

Well... There is a very good literature on the evolutionary theory of morality. Read it. Tomassello etc.

[@mjallen1308]

I like how so many Christians keep spouting this “God/Jesus NEVER forced/forces anyone to do...” okay worship me or BURN IN HELL Is not a choice or free will, it’s a threat. And why would they even need to do anything when all of their followers did it for them. “WORSHIP MY GOD OR ILL STONE YOU LIKE MY GOD TOLD ME TO DO IF YOU DIDNT WORSHIP HIM!”

[@renshiasworld]

Morals.... We do what we need to do to survive. Everything else is just window dressing to make it look better.

[@psychee1]

It's Really not that complicated, I don't see why this is such an issue. I for one don't want to get my shit stolen or being fucking murdered and so I surround myself with other people who also don't want their shit stolen or being fucking murdered. It's a pinch of empathy and a soupsong of common sense, no magic man required.

[@andrejones2147]

Is adultery immoral? Most would agree that it is.... it has the potential to create more life tho so according to you it should be ok.... right ?

[@andrejones2147]

Ra Fighter what does breaking the oath or keeping the oath have to do with survival tho ?

[@andrejones2147]

Ra Fighter and of morals have to do with survival how are they subjective.... their based on survival according to you .... that’s not subjective... unless survival had different definitions which I don’t think it can in this case ?

[@andrejones2147]

Ra Fighter I was speaking to the original comment didn’t even realize that wasn’t you replying.... your right you didn’t mention it....

[@lawsonharrison6927]

If the founders of an institution reflect the institution as a whole then planned parenthood needs to be examined.

[@j3pelfrey]

Slim can't seem to understand that on his side who wrote the book is more important that the contents of the book. For atheists that is reversed. The Origin of Species is correct not cause Darwin wrote it but because his observations have proven to be true in reality.

[@andrejones2147]

Hourglass8 give me an example of a change of species? Give me an example of a change of seed for a plant or tree ?

[@andrejones2147]

Observable modern day pls !

[@billmcdonald4335]

News flash, Slim: Darwin got wrong a whole bunch of unimportant, not-central-to-the-theory details in his book. But the theory of evolution by means of natural selection holds true regardless. This is how science works, dude.

[@shanehisle1294]

Darwin wrote staunchly agaisnt racism of that time.

[@logicreason2736]

Property rights = morality.

[@sle2470]

These hosts need to do a better job of holding the callers feet to the fire and make them define their bullshit. "Well if there's no morality in evolution..." They should have stopped him right there and asked him what the hell he means by that. It drives me crazy when they let them get away with stuff like that.

[@bigskypioneer1898]

Vi La Bianca - always love to see you on "the KZbin" [to paraphrase G W Bush]

[@Paul-D-Hoff]

Darwin's father and Darwin where abolitionist on slavery. Also the term "race" was used on animal species, words meanings do change.

[@millantronni3242]

6:26 Americans are doing immortal things that most other countries think is immoral, such as the death penalty

[@dylanjones268]

The justice system is fucked. Some people spend 4 years in jail for raping kids. Some people get 12 years for killing someone. Honestly both those crimes in my opinion deserve the death penalty. If you destroy a child's innocence or feel you have the right to snuff a life out of existence, you should be put to death. End all the suffering for everyone involved.

[@youtoo2233]

Yeah the whole moral thing is beyond ridiculous. I had good morals before I even joined a church, and then later when I left the churches I still had good morals. In fact I know many Christians who's moral suck, I couldn't even take my family to church without men pretending to be my friend just so they can hit on my wife, including the pastor and associate pastor, and the worship leader. So all this talk you have to be a Christian in order to get good morals from God is just beyond crazy and ridiculous. I also know many great people from many different non-Christian religions who have wonderful morals and would do anything for you and you can trust them with your life, and they don't even worship the same God as Christians do

[@martinbinkier7278]

Matt D. Can finally retire. I'm happy with this guy. He used to be to nice in the beginning but he's caught on really fast 👍

[@LittleTed1000]

@Truthus Maximus I don't think I've ever read a more retarded reply to a youtube comment than this one. No kidding. This might be peak idiocy.

[@Notthetimeforit]

@Truthus Maximus 😂 that's hilarious, I love when people make jokes that good.

[@campfireaddict6417]

Morality is seen in pack animals.

[@kentnmiller]

Can someone please raise Eric's microphone volume?

[@scottc1857]

I find such disturbing irony in TH talking about dehumanization campaigns how they're wrong and how they precede and pave the way for atrocities in light of the stances TAE TH the line etc are taking now

[@ArnoModelstate]

Slim wants 'absolute' morality and if he really wants that from God that I don't want to accept it at all !

[@TieXiongJi]

Of course we decide what is moral! God has as much a vote as the stars.

[@OxHeadup]

Morality comes from evolution.. It has evolved as a social species... There are dolphins that show signs of good morale with humans.

[@kevinpalmer4137]

He made up quotes to ad hom Darwin, I've never heard of him saying the whites are Superior to the Turks And that runs counter to other quotes

[@KXSocialChannel]

I have never heard of this Youth Afro thing.

[@teresaamanfu7408]

I don’t think slim understood a word you guy said.

[@thomaspyke2177]

Yes Jesus did say people had to believe in him. He says to bring them before him and slay them.

[@jackflackers8326]

Speak up !

[@SongWhisperer]

Morality comes from within, and it has nothing to do with sin. Call it evolution or creation, but morality is built within our emotions. It's called the guilty feeling. (How) it evolved or (how) it was created is irrelevant, the point is we have morality and we should definitely let morality guide us as a deciding group? (IMO) We don't need God or books to teach us morality, we know if we are hurting someone and we know that it isn't right. And if you don't know those things, you don't fit in with a moral social existence. Morality (should?) triumph over immorality, but not because of God. Because we should strive to be good people for the benefit of the survival of our species. The purpose of Morality is so we don't kill each other to the point of extinction, it isn't a free pass into Heaven.

[@andrejones2147]

Song Whisperer this whole concept of right and wrong for animals who randomly evolved in a universe where we are so insignificant makes absolutely no sense...

[@andrejones2147]

Song Whisperer and what does sleeping with someone’s wife and stealing from people and lying have to do with making sure we don’t kill each other. I can assure you we can find a way to do all of those things without murder......

[@SongWhisperer]

@@andrejones2147 Right and wrong make no sense? So are you suggesting we let all the criminals out of jail and close down our justice systems? Jealousy is a very real emotion, who's going to convince a jealous man or women not to kill for some kind of gratification or revenge when there's no one there to intervene? To these people murder seems to be their best and only option? When someone is breaking into your house with every intention on killing you to take what it yours, killing seems to be the only option for both parties involved in that situation? People get killed everyday for lying. You can assure me all you want that there are better ways than murder to deal with these types of situations, but reality proves everyday that when the human mind is pushed to its breaking point, murder is the first thing humans use as a defense mechanism. These things could easily cause humans to kill each other, but if you know a way that humanity can live together without some sort of standard between right and wrong (morality), I'm all ears? If I've misunderstood your comment, please just correct me.

[@andrejones2147]

I totally agree with right and wrong. We have morals because we were created by a moral being. Point blank period. If we naturally evolved like animals and in fact are very insignificant in the grand scheme of things where does a right and a wrong come from? There would be no such thing. If we’re insignificant wouldn’t a right and wrong be insignificant as well?

[@andrejones2147]

And to say the purpose of morality is so we don’t kill each other to the point of extinction is like saying killing each other is the only way we die and that’s far from the truth.....

[@segoayah]

But you are good until proven wrong or right.

[@brandonmarthers]

Will the real slim shady please stand up