The Apocrypha and His Belief In God | Kevin-NY | Talk Heathen 5.33

Talk Heathen 05.33 for August 15, 2021 with Lloyd Evans and Johnny P. Angel.
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[@nathangarcia7569]

I gotta say I respect Johnny’s investigative skills

[@Heathen.Deity.]

I also loved his subtle hint towards his opinion of the website when he said “make sure you have anti-virus”. Not too subtle for us, but definitely too subtle for Kevin.

[@timo5601]

Epic skills.

[@TheZombieSaints]

Love Johnny!

[@hank_says_things]

“I would really like to focus on what I called about.” Well, there’s a first time for everything innit

[@davidblackburn3396]

I love Johnny and Lloyd together, they have the same droll sense of humor. More, please.

[@UngoogleableMan]

"I'm begging you to listen to me". No kevin. No. Answer the questions. You've been allowed to ramble on and on 20 times in the past and you never, ever show any indication that you've listened. So no, were not going to listen to you anymore until YOU learn to listen.

[@seanmacd4274]

This was beautiful. A systematic dismantling of a dishonest debaters arguments right before his eyes and he could do nothing but squirm.

[@ShieldWife]

When Johnny was listing all of the topics that Kevin has called to talk about, I was wondering if the list would last the entire 27 minutes of this video.

[@featherlessbiped1607]

He is a terrible bore and not a good addition to the show.

[@brendenvarty3266]

he was literally done the list within 5 minutes

[@PBAmygdala2021]

This episode is exactly what I've been asking for of this channel: push past the superficial topics, dive deep into the motivations (of the caller AND the ancient authors), expose the motives, give tools including scholarly methods, and call the caller out on their hypocrisy. Thanks!

[@jeff6660]

Kevin...is the poster boy for the Dunning Kruger effect.

[@JayJay-two]

Kevin wants attention. That's all. He comes with a different script every time. You can hear him chuckle in the background. Sad troll😢 Sad

[@STARFISHSLG]

So this video just shot to my top Talk Heathen clip. 😂 Detective JP Angel, badge number 666, on the job.

[@kenbee1957]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@primordial82]

Johnny is a one man Time Variance Authority (TVA) keep pruning those crazy conspiracy theory branches!

[@jeff6660]

Johnny's rundown on all of Kevens calls had my rolling in the isle. It is truly worthy of being a standup routine on the Late Night Show.

[@AviatorFox]

It was at about 3:42, having recognized every discussion Johnny brought up, that I realized I have listened to far too much of Kevin.

[@sukavuka]

Johnny that was beautiful my friend.

[@jewsco]

Yes as a listener I am sick of calls from people like Kevin they do not want and will not have a conversation and instead just babble on preaching or talking about a conspiracy theory. I am glad you stopped him today and hope you will do do from now on

[@frostdragon]

This is the best segment of this show ever. Absolutely perfect.

[@matthewoborne1649]

jOHNNY HAD ME IN STITCHES. So bloody funny

[@Patrick77487]

Critical thinking skills. Missing from Kevin's many mantras. Some folks were never challenged by others to think critically of their own thought processes. Merely absorbing info doesn't add to thinking skills, becoming a false flag for gaining personal knowledge. Take responsibility for your thinking skills, Kevin. Liberating.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Really Well Put!!!

[@keithulhu]

Johnny, that was an epic rant.

[@jewsco]

I love when Kevin is called out for his BS he has nothing but attempting to go into another conspiracy theory

[@kevinrainforth851]

Brilliantly handled by Lloyd and Johnny, and I really enjoy these hosts. Finally seems to have found a way to cut through Kevin's bullshit, drilling down to the core. I honestly hope that Kevin reads one of the books that Lloyd recommended, and can engage on a deeper-- Aw, who am I kidding. Next week he'll be wanting to talk about seraphim or the shroud of Turin or weeping statues or some shit.

[@alamunez]

Johnny & Lloyd vs an increasingly deflated Kevin was a laugh riot from start to finish. 😂

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Kevin doesnt call in to have a shared dialogue, but Loves Attention and calls in to simply spew a barrage of new-agey-x-tian mush speculations without end,he's full of Certainty but his diatribes are basically fragmented exercises in pointless obsessionism...

[@nagatopainbio-hazard221]

This is all I think about talking about this "Apocrypha is the plane of Oblivion belonging to Hermaeus Mora, the Daedric Prince of Fate, Knowledge and Memory. The plane is first seen in the Skyrim add-on The Elder Scrolls V: Dragonborn. The Dragonborn has to visit the realm as part of the main questline in Solstheim for the add-on."

[@PaPaGonzo]

that's exactly what I thought!

[@pylonmountain9239]

With his random, semi-incoherent calls about fringe interpretations of obscure ancient texts, Kevin sure sounds like he’s calling from Apocrypha

[@danlazaro1435]

CALL👏THESE👏FOOLS👏OUT👏

[@IsaacHarris]

I'm glad they're trying a different tact with this guy as I'm almost to the point of just clicking off videos as soon as I recognize his voice. Maybe this is the way to take calls from some of the more tedious, recurring callers?

[@meloveAi]

Kevin just being a Kevin.

[@rojh9351]

Looking forward to Johnny B Angel being a fighter in the next Mortal Kombat.

[@qrrbrbirbel2]

The b is for "brutality"

[@sfprivateer]

Finishing move Dekevinication... That has to be the most brutal thing ever added to any game.

[@jaymeanderson5121]

Kevin needs to put the bong down and stop drinking the water!

[@bobbydrake07017]

Thorough Thoroughly Pressed......Like An Interrogation Into The Realm Of Kevin's Bullshit. True Detective Season 4 HBO

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Despite JpA’s opening salvo, Kevin is clearly just going to continue calling in with tinsel-coated 💩

[@Sarhanle]

Can’t wait for Kevin’s next crazy, unhinged call.

[@2ahdcat]

Mayo packets! Therefore... GAWD! LOL. 🤪

[@stephentaylor356]

​@@2ahdcatthe ancient Confucian writing prove the bible!!! Mr Rogers masterminded pearl harbor!!! Lizardmen succubi are stealing your vital essence at night!!!

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

We are all biased, that's not just something with Kevin. But his way of thinking is incredibly closed. I remember just accepting the claims of "We don't know who the gospel authors are" without questioning it much, but when I wanted to make sure, I went to Christian and apologist websites to check out their arguments. They did make some valid points, but in the end the conclusion was that you could sort of tie the gospels with the names they carry, but none of them were able to go "Oh, but we do have signed copies and we found them here on this date". The best way to research a topic is to at least look at the claims/arguments made by those that disagree. Not exclusively, that might not be the most productive endeavor if they aren't convincing, but that should be a part of it.

[@rosiethereaper299]

The "holy sh*t Johnny!!" Was funny

[@BaronVonSTFU]

Kevin is the Bobo of Talk Heathen. He's just a super fan

[@shpongled587]

"Oh, the pineal gland!" @2:21 haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[@gazza595]

In this clip Johnny P conclusively proves that Kevin from NY will believe any old woo and bullshit that comes his way.

[@petebetz5358]

Apparently Kevin's method of epistemology is to ask you guys!

[@snooganslestat2030]

With much love. The sentiment expressed with sarcasm and a hint or irritation, fantastic!

[@tedgrant2]

Apocrypha are writings that were at first prized, later tolerated and finally excluded. So that would include Aristotle's books on cosmology, physics and biology. The problem for many ancient writers is that they had poor data. If Jesus was alive now, he wouldn't be crucified.

[@stefanniemiec8727]

Two things Kevin has a problem with. Coherent thought an constructing a sentence whic has some clear meaning.

[@Steve0272.]

Was i the only one shouting ... AGENDA !!! at Johnny 😂

[@cheftr1]

Kevin from NY sounds like JRobin... So it's hard to believe this is an honest conversation.

[@alanelse1389]

So kevin is a proper looney tunes then 🤔 🤣🤣

[@magicofjafo]

Find a person who loves you as much as Johnny loves his Thursdays.

[@AlexPBenton]

Please make a playlist of those calls, there were a few that I didn’t recognize

[@romankvapil9184]

I'd love him to try and rationalize the validity of his religion in the event we come across other sapient alien civilizations and their possible religions. That would be absolutely hilarious.

[@2ahdcat]

Kevin will go ANYWHERE and bring up ANTYTHING to "prove" His magic sky daddy, lol. Mayo packets! Therefore... GAWD! LOL. 🤪

[@HarryNicNicholas]

kevin takes a trip.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

one without any end apparently....

[@DANISEVIL]

The guy is a troll he just calls every week to bring up something more ridiculous and it's a game to see how silly he can be before the gets a ban

[@j-rod166]

Kevin will call in tomorrow and tell us that he is just a figment of our imagination...

[@alanthomson1227]

Yes, I think Kevin is a figment of his own imagination , assuming he has one that is .

[@scrumtrellecent]

Henry:[pulling out Klinger's file] Here we go. Father dying, right? Klinger:Yes, sir. Henry:[going through letters in Klinger's file] Father dying, last year. Mother dying, last year. Mother and father dying. Mother, father, and older sister dying. Mother dying and older sister pregnant. Older sister dying and mother pregnant. Younger sister pregnant and older sister dying. Here's an oldie but a goodie: half of the family dying, other half pregnant. [puts file down] Klinger, aren't you ashamed of yourself? Klinger:Yes sir. I don't deserve to be in the Army.

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

I'd liken Kevin to a twisted mentat but he does not possess the analytical skills to process the information he has "ingested". Johnny shows him how it's done. I hope he learned something, but... Also, that was a good Poltergeist allusion. 🤓

[@steveanton763]

I want to sample the list of topics discussed by Kevin in a Psytrace track.

[@ericmishima]

26:54 Go carefully Donnny. ❤

[@zatoichiMiyamoto]

Is this an intervention on Kevin?

[@ryanszumowski8749]

I don’t think that went the way Kevin wanted it to go….

[@snooganslestat2030]

Make sure you have anti virus. Good advice.

[@rrpostalagain]

I’m begging you to listen to me… yep, you are.

[@Z4kYb0I]

The key to understanding the bible? ASTROLOGY. Simples.

[@oldbatwit5102]

The key to understanding astrology? It's a scam. Simples.

[@loki6626]

I understand the bible just fine. It is an accurate account of the nonsense that some ancient people believed.

[@oldbatwit5102]

@Steve M Predictable.

[@rickybojangles162]

I'm getting really bored of Kevin. You always take these calls and they're not even entertaining anymore. They're just nonsensical and boring, he's either a troll or he's just dumb. I wish you'd stop taking his calls.

[@Alltime2050]

There are not enough commercials, only one every two minutes, you really need more don't you?

[@jaymeanderson5121]

I didn't even see one.

[@shanewilson7994]

They aren't in control of ad placement.

[@docb8316]

HISTORY CHANNEL . Every time he watches he goes down a new rat hole.

[@shanewilson7994]

that's pretty much what I was thinking, and why I think the History Channel is garbage now because people actually believe that stuff.

[@kaimamoonfury1335]

Yo I love the show, but can we please stop throwing shots at Matt? I get that he may be abrasive sometimes but really I don't need to hear it every time I tune in, it's literally made just wanna turn th off and go watch the line. Please, keep it professional. Also I am aware I don't know the dude but y'all shouldn't be taking shots at him for stuff that happened off the air if that's the case. I'm not getting down on anyone here either, I've definitely been frustrated by Mat sometimes, but he is also the guy out of all of you who gave me the approach I needed with someone in particular. Long comment sorry, and I doubt itl be read regardless (wouldn't blame you if you didn't wanna read this hot mess lol). Can we just continue to let the callers be the ones who throw "dirty laundry" everywhere instead? Thanks as always folks, you guys rock

[@mausperson5854]

What, no Raëlians!!??

[@RubberMammy]

Do we really need to talk about Kevin?

[@shanewilson7994]

Holy crap Kevin, you go on about how things should be tested or researched, and then here, and all of your future calls, you throw out absolutely crap arguments which haven't been tested or actually researched at all.

[@keepdancingmaria]

I don't want to listen to Kevin again, guys, until and unless he wants to address how he's been wrong on previous stuff, and have a dialogue on that. I don't want to hear new shitty stuff.

[@kenbee1957]

But.... He's entertaining 😔

[@MH-lz3gp]

Not a fan of Johnny (as a host, seems like a solid guy but is prone to rambling) but this is right up there with Shannon destroying Alvin on his numbers in the bible bullshit.

[@afroatheist-isnowafroantit6154]

He is a troll.

[@cedarandsound]

Gotta say, I really don't believe Kevin is a genuine caller, sounds more like a pranker to me.

[@brucewilliams4152]

Johnny, I really feel for you having to listen to this clown Kevin

[@markmiller7317]

Lloyd looks like he cuts the 🧀cheese.

[@Lowpro68]

And once again "therefore god", oh for Darwin's sake...

[@boxtrot5277]

This guy is too stoned to do his own work, block him so he has no choice.

[@MsAmazon2u]

Kevin is tooo stoner

[@johnd.shultz7423]

He's smoking a potent strain of cannabis that has an infinite T.H.C. level...

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

Kevin sounds interesting

[@johnd.shultz7423]

especially if one is profoundly bored with themselves,but there might be some "entertainment value" there

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

@@johnd.shultz7423 some truth also but deff lot crazyness

[@keepdancingmaria]

He's very boring to me because he never learns. But you do you.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

@@kelseykjarsgaard5774 like watching a clown car drive off a cliff.....

[@johnd.shultz7423]

@@keepdancingmaria im so very Glad im not stuck with him on a cross country automobile voyage...

[@chronochrome7837]

I understand that this is far from their first run in with Kevin here, but this was excessively condescending, aggressive, and frankly a little bullying. It's worthwhile to take a look at sources like this, but if this were my first experience with Johnney or Lloyd, I'd've dismissed both as smug assholes, not honest interlocutors.

[@snooganslestat2030]

He could hang up anytime. Instead he calls again and again with new nonsense never applying critical thinking skills.

[@ishmaelkelly951]

ChronoChrome: wow I'm sorry you got so butt hurt, and I'm five months late on this comment but it was so ridiculous I have to respond to it over this show but, that's how you treat trolls .Kevin AKA whatever name he go under is a troll ,that calls in with no evidence for the stuff that he's trying to assert that is true. And when all of the atheist host call him out on his flaws he don't listen and get all butt hurt. That's how you have to treat people like Kevin,you have to treat him like a child because he doesn't listen .that's why the hosts are so hard on him because he is a troll.

[@PaPaGonzo]

Dude has a diagnosable problem... He needs help. Not to keep calling into a show for attention. WOW

[@PaPaGonzo]

And APOCRAPHA is from SKYRIM!

[@snooganslestat2030]

Dunning-Kruger and being gullible.

[@porkyboy4226]

Well I heard that the bird was the word!!!!