Willing to Change Beliefs? | Otangelo - Brazil | Talk Heathen 03.19

[@Wiggimus]

I don't think I'll ever stop being amazed at just how much Christianity can warp a person's mind.

[@MrKit9]

I associate and am friends with a few christians who actually are rational. United Methodist Bishop and I used to drink beer and talk god and religion. He once said to me "I don't research opposing views because it might might shake my faith". At least he had the guts and the honesty to admit it

[@Shadowchild695]

That is honest in one sense, but it is super intellectually dishonest. That is like calling a compulsive liar an honest person simply because they admit to being a compulsive liar.

[@Fluffykeith]

It was good to see you hold his feet to the fire for once, rather than letting him play his games.

[@Wispyapples]

after seeing two other videos of him fucking around his inner voice must be screaming: can you not hold a victory point?! (followed at the end by) "your enemy has taken a victory point" (and finally) "you have cost us a victory point worm" (but also when he sounded uppity) "your might is not so great"

[@studio_beasty]

Stop having this guy on. He has no intention to be honest with himself, let alone you guys.

[@ScottJoC]

but he is good to show others how stupid religion makes you

[@zetatopp5910]

Otangelo makes the rounds on several atheist channels and constantly repeats the same tired narratives. I think he simply enjoys having his name out there. I agree with others who say he's a waste of time. Don't give him any more air.

[@ryaneichelberger7040]

The idea of a very bored angel with a flaming sword brought me joy.

[@jimbojones6830]

Right? I almost shot hot mocha out my nose!

[@kclightman]

Naw, Aziraphaele found ways to amuse himself. (read or watch Good Omens)

[@kenninast]

Oh dear! It's almost as if this Ontangelo dude is like a superstitious nutter with tons of cognitive dissonance! ;P

[@nickokona6849]

Almost!

[@themplar]

Otangelo is purposely dishonest every time. Sure he might be actually as ignorant as he seems to be, but seeing his interactions and comments dishonesty seems to be te case. His entire stick is, he continueously copy pastes from a prewritten script and endless nonsense from his favorite ministry website. He is a script theist, its why he tries over and over again to attack something thats not the topic. Every argument he uses fails, he knows he uses refuted arguments. He openly admits his source about evolution is a creationist/intelligent design ministry website which means he knows nothing about it. No matter what he will never accept any awnser that contradicts his religious beliefs.

[@Julian0101]

The other day i confronted him on the subject of the turin shroud, he ended up citing a site that agreed with my point. I think that scared him from getting out from his scripted websites.

[@themplar]

@@Julian0101 Haha, yeah he sourced that too one time with me. Because the title of the article suggested it and in the intro it said jebus and his shroud of turin. But the rest of the article showed how the shroud is a forgerie. And when you point this out he spews 10 new completely other claims, to avoid talking about it. His favorite is trying to say " because abiogenesis has never been succesfully demonstrated in a lab its impossible." (in those lines) He loves the god of the gaps.

[@raskthenehkroskeptic]

You guys tried your absolute best. I know how painfull it is to see someone so outwardly dishonest. Especially when the person they are dishoneat with is themself.

[@PaxilRose]

Orangejello is a really good listener

[@DanielLee1]

*Goddamn* this was a *fucking* good conversation Eric. Great to see you hold the caller’s hand, keep him on topic and hold his feet to the fire. It became *very* clear where Otangelo’s cognitive dissonance and biases lie.

[@williamwatson4354]

Otangelo is the road accidents of callers. You know you should look away, and yet...

[@amtlpaul]

The cut and paste angel of the KZbin comment section.

[@sunzi42]

I always get the feeling that Otangelo was repeatedly hit in the head with a bible, until he became a devout beliver. Most religious people are indoctrinated in vulnerable stages of their life and practicaly always against their will.

[@one007guy]

Erik layin the smack down on his candy ass!

[@themanwithnoname1839]

Eric's name is spelled out on screen and you still spelled it wrong lmfao rofl

[@bassman9261995]

I feel so bad for Eric. Reading all that crap only to realize he was the only one who read it

[@EmmaKafrum666]

Wow. This was fun x'D

[@thatguywithemail1431]

Dishonesty at it's finest.

[@jaydinledford6990]

I love his smooth brain so much

[@jaydinledford6990]

He's like a 14 year old, it's breathtaking

[@tehspamgozehere]

@@jaydinledford6990 I know 14 year olds who would be stunned at just his performance. Surprised someone can be that dishonest for one. I put him at about eight. Maybe six. Although I do know someone of about early teens with what might be a learning disability that he resembles. No I'm not trying to be mean. It's not that the kid is stupid. He just refuses to bother and takes the easiest path every single time. Including when thinking. On one hand I feel bad for thinking poorly of someone who might have a genuine mental issue. On the other hand, he genuinely seems to not give a fsck about anything or anyone including himself. Makes promises he breaks within minutes, lies to cover up, shrugs when caught out. This caller reminds me of him.

[@kurvos]

"Hey! The Garden of Eden is somewhere in Egypt, we found it. Here are it's geographic coordinates. There's an angel currently out front, VERY bored, with a flaming sword." X'D

[@pezfam]

Anytime I see an Otangalo vid pop up, my reaction is the same: “Oh no. Not this crap again.” *click*

[@Rucarlos]

Excuse me, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior, abiogenesis

[@shanehisle1294]

Interlocutor is Eric's new favorite word apparently

[@themplar]

Ah i see Otangelo (Intelligent design academy) is posting his scripts again full of nonsense. Most of his " thoughts" seem to be directly copy pasted from a creationist ministry website. I wouldnt be suprised if the guy is actually a troll.

[@greedow]

he's not a troll... pretty sure of that

[@tehspamgozehere]

@@greedow It takes a certain spark to be a decent troll. It's the old "Only a good actor can act like a bad actor" scenario.

[@themanwithnoname1839]

​@@tehspamgozeherei dont know man tommy wiseau exists lmfao rofl

[@PrivateMatthews]

Hey guys, I'm Brazilian and have to say that Otangelo really really don't sound like a Brazilian to me.

[@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459]

He sounds Spanish to me

[@markklippenberg7364]

I could change Otangelo’s beliefs in less than an hour, without saying a word, easily.

[@Saintintensity]

Otalengo just plays games - hes disingenuous and not worth conversing with!

[@blknitenca]

Jamie is sooooooo over it all LOL

[@StannisHarlock]

Is a global flood going to drive out an angel with a flaming sword?

[@BoothTheGrey]

Dont feed the troll(s).

[@庫倫亞利克]

I like it when Eric is angry. Sometimes the only thing you can use to drive back darkness is fire. "When you can prove that the Bible isn't the word of God..." Wrong, wrong, wrong. The Bible is like any other works of fiction. It does not gain any privilege over its peers so that it needs to be proven false to be disbelieved while others have to be proven true to be believed. Isaiah 34:4 also describes the sky as being like a scroll and the stars are just shiny duds on it...instead of God kindly pointing out they're ginormous balls of burning gas...

[@Zeupater]

So what does happen to a cherub with a flaming sword who is inundated by thousands of feet of water?

[@danbrooks3932]

Here we have member of the Brazilian taliban

[@albertcombrink3717]

This was painful

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Cheetahs are a good example. We know they had a population bottleneck less than 10k years ago, partially from the fact they can all accept tissues from each other.

[@grantwing4942]

I think the second person was Lilith and not Eve. Whether Lilith was fully human or not is another question

[@xanju5141]

If I recall correctly, Lilith was the first woman, but she was kicked out of the garden for wanting to be considered equal to Adam, since she was made in the same way as him.

[@katzkt21]

@@xanju5141 you are correct. Lilith also knew gods name giving her the ability to fly. All fables of course

[@xanju5141]

@@katzkt21 so, she found the SUDO command of the world and activated noclip. Makes as much sense as the rest of the story.

[@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459]

I’m starting to believe that Otangelo is a clout chaser

[@shanewilson7994]

Wow, he believes in a global flood too? Which is one of the most debunked claims in the entire bible.

[@alanlowe9716]

While it is conceivable that a worldwide flood might obliterate the garden of Eden, the inability to locate Eden doesn't confirm the flood story, which we also can't confirm. It's a convenient cover-up. I also remember reading the bible as a kid and puzzling over Cain's comment, "...and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me...(Gen 4:14)". Who was "everyone"? Adam and Eve only had Cain and Abel at that time (according to Genesis). Who would he have to fear? I know that Genesis goes on to say, "...And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters...(Gen 5:4) but Cain didn't even know about Seth. How would he have any idea that there would other people, not to mention this mysterious wife that he took? (Gen 4:17). From a very young age, the biblical stories just made me skeptical and nothing has changed that since. The more I read, the worse it got, which lends credence to the idea that many atheists became atheists after reading the bible. The religious don't actually read it. They might own a bible or two but they don't read it.I wish they would.

[@themplar]

@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 Again sourcing a creationist ministry as if they have any science to offer. And no there never was a global flood. There were floods but never one big one. The evidence shows us that this never happened. And you already know that Noahs ark, is a copied down story from the epos of gilgamesh, which again is based on the epic of athra-hasis which again is based on the epos of Ziusudra. Mostlikely based on a local flood near the black sea. And have you even read the article you sourced here? except for quotemining it. (again dishonesty demonstrated) It specifically speaks about local floods, the chinese legendary flood is about a damn breach of the yellow river. Which also is specifically said there is actually no geological evidence that ever happened. The article even goes into noahs flood as a local flood from the black sea.... Thanks for failing completely and utterly again.

[@themplar]

@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 You dont read any awnsers, thats the entire problem. Meanwhile science has moved on and accepted evolution due to the evidence. Its why its a scientific theory now. Aswell as a directly observable fact. And demonstrated through genetics. You never had an argument to begin with. Its why you are so dishonest.

[@themplar]

@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 Your own source directly contradicted what you claim. Because you quotemined the entire piece of of context. I cant help you now must resort to dishonesty again.

[@amtlpaul]

@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 That evolution is a fact is demonstrated by agriculture and the breeding of animals. Modern crops were developed over thousands of years by farmers crossbreeding different plants. Likewise, modern breeds of farm animal and domesticated animal have been developed over thousands of years by humans. And such breeding is merely humans manipulating already existing natural processes for their own ends. That genetic codes change when passed down to offspring is established as well- we do not make copies of ourselves, so there are small changes with every generation. All of this is established fact. Genetics and the fossil record also allow us to establish that we are in the same family as other primates. There really is no serious debate on this matter, which is why the more rational Christians among us don't even bother trying to dispute these facts.

[@amtlpaul]

@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 Pretty weak stuff... No one is denying that there were floods in the ancient world. A global flood is another story entirely. And the trouble is, the whole idea that all the species in the whole world made their way to an ark in Mesopotamia to survive a global flood, and that an ark could ever be constructed that could hold millions of animals (and food for all of them, for 40 days) and be seaworthy, is so ludicrous on the face of it that you'd need much, much stronger evidence than this to even get a serious hearing. I mean, what about the small detail that some species of animal eat others? Or that we're expecting EVERY SINGLE ONE of those remaining pairs of animal species to a) survive the trip, b) successfully breed, c) Somehow overcome the genetic difficulties in being the only two progenitors of a species.

[@tthinkbiz]

Please dont waste any more time on this guy! He IS NIT looking for truth!!

[@goldendogwoodworks6675]

He shows his level of education as soon as he opens his mouth. I can show the Adam and Eve story is made up, just by going through human evolution

[@donfranks2907]

Gerbil Jamie

[@庫倫亞利克]

Ger...gerbil?

[@UngoogleableMan]

Hey

[@davids11131113]

OrangeJello is one of the very most dishonest people ever.

[@Leszek.Rzepecki]

Listening to a creo babble on and on is as painful as redhot pokers in your ears.

[@Ploskkky]

This was somewhat cringe worthy.... and it was not all Otangelos doing.

[@jamieoshea1681]

Stop lying

[@johnchristopher4341]

Scp001

[@nickokona6849]

This guy is just so dishonest.

[@nickokona6849]

Intelligent Design Academy the question of odds are irrelevant. With enough time and raw material, ultra rare events will by definition occur. What do biologists and chemists say about this phenomenon? They’re clearly saying it can happen because they are not drawing your conclusion. .So why have you not convinced them they’re wrong? Tap dancing t avoid direct answers because you don’t want t be saddled with the implication of your answer is dishonest. Veiled religious threats are nothing new to me. IF the Christian god exists, it’s an immoral thug that doesn’t deserve respect to say nothing about worship. You’re leaning on it’s mob boss nature heavily here, just like a piece of shit. Setting up impossible standards of evidence to disprove something not demonstrable in order to allegedly change your mind is also dishonest. The burden of proof is on the claim. Not the response to it.

[@nickokona6849]

@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 And yet they the actual experts (not you or I) don't buy your claims. So you failed. Throwing up claims and saying that scientists can't explain x, therefor my specific god is a bullshit argument from ignorance fallacy. Rare things can happen the very first iteration. It doesn't require enough time to attempt every single possible situation before the one you find so improbable and relevant happened. Maybe in the series, life was the 5th combination tried, and it worked.. Your assertions are useless until you can convince the scientific community it's true, which you clearly haven't. Biologists aren't positing that abiogenisesis was necessarily a design by a god. Not AT ALL. So you're a liar to claim they are in any way. They ONLY posit natural explanations. You posit the foolish ones. You also seem to be treading awfully close to conspiracy theory territory.... If that's your strategy, you'll be counted among the flat earthers and anti vaxxers as failures of the education systems.

[@amtlpaul]

@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 The "moral argument" for God's existance is a crock. Saying, "If God doesn't exist, that means there's no cosmic super-judge decreeing what is moral, and that's not acceptable to me", is not a valid argument. Saying, "We feel that things are right and wrong, therefore there must be an objectively true absolute moral standard which only God can provide" is self-refuting, since we cannot know anything objectively based solely on our feelings- only reason and observation can allow us anything close to an objective assessment of anything, including moral claims.

[@amtlpaul]

@@intelligentdesignacademy3460 1) The fact that you keep hearing the "God of the gaps" line might bore you, but that sure don't make it untrue. 2) "As Sherlock Holmes' famous dictum goes..." Need I remind you that Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character? In the real world, we are rarely if ever in a position to come to a positive conclusion based on such a process of elimination, and that is particularly true of fields where there are still huge gaps in our knowledge. Where such gaps exist, we simply don't know enough to eliminate all the options but one. And if we allow unfalsifiable propositions (like, "some all-powerful being made it all, because all-powerful beings can do anything") to be considered, it becomes utterly impossible (since we cannot reasonably eliminate any unfalsifiable proposition if we allow any to be considered.) So we can't say, "Universe-starting magic space yehtis did it; starting up universes by mating and giving birth to singularites is just what they do", is impossible, can we? And if we can't, your proposed process of elimination is a non-starter.

[@nickokona6849]

Intelligent Design Academy you sure love typing nonsense. Your argument from ignorance isn’t valid. And me pointing it out is only boring because theists use it so often. Just like you. You have not demonstrated abiogenesis didn’t happen by natural causes. You have not demonstrated the universe is designed. Why are you even wasting your time trying to convince us? Go convince scientists. If you can convince them, I might be on board. I’ll bet you $100.00 you can’t.

[@richybambam1995]

I'm not sure why he used those two statements to falsify the genesis story. Not finding something doesn't mean it doesn't exist and we know how species die but we definitely don't have enough information a about the origin of life to say that the same applies.

[@richybambam1995]

@Stefan Dingenouts Oh ok that makes alot of sense because hearing that nothing would change his mind and that he's praying during conversation is like what did you come here for.

[@NubianNarrator]

He's so annoying

[@AllySmiles201]

You guys have to be be the worst Atheist debaters. Sad how you guys represent us.

[@AllySmiles201]

Intelligent Design Academy I didn’t say anything about them not been smart.

[@jamieoshea1681]

You are very unintelligent. Seek help