Talking about Union χ Ending | KH Talks

[@ImperialRoads]

Bl00dy come back we miss you buddy

[@Shadowsmoke11]

Did he quit youtube and streaming? I wonder if he maybe lost interest in the KH series after the colussal fail which was KH3. I am curious what his thoughts are about KH4.

[@ImperialRoads]

@@Shadowsmoke11 nah he just occupied with his dad life. He will come back when he comes back I believe in the man

[@johangodojolo8652]

@@Shadowsmoke11 but he liked remind...

[@Vinylmelody1517]

He's still streaming now I think, he has a few scheduled on twitch. I do miss him here though

[@susanavrilchavezrendon7094]

@@ImperialRoads WAIT BL00DY IS A DAD?

[@Skywardsaiyan]

Nomura could walk onto a stage and say one word and that word would trigger theories for years to come

[@phstevenswift2805]

>walks on stage >utters one word >"Darkness" >refuses to elaborate further >leaves

[@fink_rat]

He could simply post a picture of him hanging out with another dev on kh and people would be speculating on it for centuries

[@crome2021]

Truly the Kojima of our times.

[@ambermain1634]

First half: "What nice ending, I dig it." Second half: "Man why does Twitter exist" lmao

[@cuhhh7484]

When the world needed Bloody the most he vanished... :(

[@finalsurvivor1]

One thing I think is being massively overlooked is the reveal that there really was a traitor, but it was Luxu, and he only does it as a result of this final conversation he and MoM have. In other words? Xigbar's motives are back to being a massive mystery that'll take a good chunk, if not all, of the next arc to figure out, and I'm all for it.

[@akionlizard]

We just had the Xehanort arc, time for the Luxu arc

[@SleepmodeFGC]

The really funny thing about the angel number thing is that it’s 100% rubbish, but the KH lore fiends are also in a position where literally nothing is off the table for speculation because the completely innocuous X on Sora’s shirt in DDD was a major plot point lmfao

[@fordicon9852]

I know it's the meme to say that KH plot is Nomura's wild ride, but it really is wild, and not because it's necessarily plotted out years in advance like some people say. I think Nomura's writing is a mix of both plotting out a lot of story points to go to and then also just waiting until the deadline for the script is in 7 hours and it's 4 AM so time to chug that 13th energy drink and crank something out.

[@youmeltube]

call that The 13th Struggle

[@Takyomi]

The player character is the fucking man. Just goes GG no REs as they take out 4 of the darknesses at once. Its crazy how much I dug how emotionally mature they were thoughout the game compared to a lot of current characters we have now

[@bukkij40]

Nomura is really hitting that Kojima level of people putting people on pedestals

[@bobkys7916]

Nah bruh he BEEN like that.

[@Zephhi]

@@bobkys7916 fr

[@darksquigglyboy]

I mean the two are kinda like best friends.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

Hey at least nomura doesn't put himself on the pedestal

[@Rukifellth2792]

I still crave the KH talk about Critical Mode

[@jackdempsey849]

"You guys should play other games" lmao

[@raze2012_]

It's not earth shattering, but I love the meme that our circus dream friends are the dormant guardians of basically dead child soldiers who brought about the end of days, all orchestrated by some dude who will sacrifice everything (literally everything) to try and get revenge for his fallen comrades. They are still just cute pokemon to me, but I can see how people can feel strongly on dream eaters if you really think about what they are.

[@SlamBolts]

Wasnt really into Union X but this storytelling is pretty interesting. Wish they hadn't used it for the fucking gacha game but eh, it's there

[@weridplusho]

Yeeeeaaah. Everyone is freaking out about the Dream Eaters and Xehanort=Player and here I am, thinking that the MoM backstory and plan + Luxu is 10x more interesting. All of fuss overs the UX keybladers just felt like emotional manipulation so the RL players didn't feel like they wasted time and money on a glorified gacha game they can't play in the future. Creative on Nomura's part but seems overall pointless. Certainly nothing to freak over. Then again, I played UX for a grand total of a week before uninstalling it so maybe I'm not invested enough.

[@FuckYoutubeAndGoogle]

Nah, you are right. UX is a microtransaction machine made to separate fools and their money. The fact that it also contains plot points relevant to the future of the series is the cheese that has kept the mice running on the wheel.

[@kurimiaisukurimu]

Actually haven't been this hyped for the future of this story since the KH2 secret ending. Very few characters get me hooked into every scene they're in, but Master of Masters has actually managed to reach that point for me.

[@meathir4921]

Ray Chase really did this character justice too. I hope he sticks around.

[@ChazzItUp6714]

Casually checking in after almost a year 👀

[@jupiter843]

All this time I've been away from Kingdom Hearts, whatever this is happens Classic Nomura alright

[@majinya6199]

Wonder when you will do a KH talks on how Sora being in Smash will somehow be canon from Nomura finding a way to force it in

[@nathanieldavidson4497]

Hope one day you make some youtube vids again. Kh talks are goated

[@KBladeHero]

Hey BB hope you and your kid are doing well, this seems like an interesting let's talk.

[@lukasruston8618]

I know this isn't exactly the place for this but I figure I should say it anyways since it was talked about in the video. When people are talking about the reaper in the Marluxia fight in Re:CoM, I definitely don't think that it's Strelitzia because if you've noticed, the Nobodies in the organization tend to get their powers from their memories (even if they can't remember them, like Namine said "Memories are never really gone" or something like that) Like Xigbar gains his weapons from his time serving Xehanort and Xaldin and Lexeaus' weapons come from their times as guards. With all that said, I think it's safe to say that the reaper in Marluxia's fight is more like a forgotten memory of Strelitzia that has taken form as a weapon for Marluxia to use and his power over death is his forgotten grief over Strelitzia's death. (Also, Nomura DEFINITELY didn't plan any of this to begin with, he most likely just based Strelitzia's design off of the reaper and added Lauriam to Union X to expand upon his story) Just want to clarify, not saying this definitely is what's happening but I feel like it's the most likely thing that's happening in my opinion. (then again, that could be confirmation bias)

[@Bl00dyBizkitz]

Yeah Nomura loves to make references back to past designs or ideas when he writes new stuff. Doesn't mean they're planned per say, but it's a neat way to tie things together and make callbacks.

[@toadarga]

NOMURA IS THE MASTER OF MASTERS CONFIRMED LMAOOO

[@MrCobakaCraft]

My problem with people rushing to theory crafting is that they set up expectations for the story for it to only fall when the game's release.

[@Nyzer_]

Yep. I learned my lesson on that back with KH2's release. All this wild theorycrafting only to give us a huge chunk of Disney filler worlds and make most of Roxas' storyline rather pointless, even if the beginning segment itself *was* a very good story (though slow to play through). And KH2's story wasn't even that bad or anything. (Especially when compared to later games.) It was just flawed and had pacing issues, when we'd been expecting perfection.

[@TheItachiIshtar]

Another example are the lifeboats in Union X. It ended up being the same machine we saw in The End of the World in Kingdom Hearts 1. However, I highly doubt Nomura planned that as a time machine back in 2002. It was probably just a vague piece of machinery that he expanded upon almost 2 decades later.

[@Sleipher]

MoM did also did say that "I'm not planing to sacrifice anyone." & "I'm preparing ways to save them."

[@zettas1157]

A good example of retroactive storytelling is Goku from dragon ball. Originally he was just a Kid with a tail that turned into a giant ape but then these traits were "revealed" later on to be because he was part of the Saiyan race sent to Earth by space-pod. It was ultimately a good move by Toriyama that made the series a staple of media around the world. All of that because of a retcon. Kh has other examples the the recugents sigil (X) Which originally started out as clothing design on Riku and Terra but became a plot point that aloud Xehanort to track his potential vessels.

[@zettas1157]

Obviously I know the organization used the symbol as well I was just reffering to how dream drop distance repurposed a visual design.

[@alexwilliamfisher]

I hope the story becomes more coherent. I miss the simplicity of KH 1.

[@35shadowthehedgehog]

Oh my sweet summer child.

[@m0ckyzo185]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but this wild ride ain't slowing down anytime soon, as much as I wish it would

[@TailsGuy72]

Ironically I don't even know squat about Union X

[@MBRSims]

I still want to see how the visual and thematic similarities between the Foretellers and the guardians of light play into all this. Some of them are so clear cut that I'd bet money that it's going to be part of the story in some form, like Terra/Aced or Kairi/Ava. Maybe they're destined to be the new hosts for the Darknesses?

[@corruptedmutant4383]

This makes sense, since the lost masters are on the evil side because they're going to be the seven deadly sins. Now this puts a new prospective if they're going to work together with MOM and if the MOM makes sora fight them to achieve his goal.

[@aneonfoxtribute]

You talking about writing styles and like planting seeds to pay them off later, all that made me think of was Brandon Sanderson and Eichiro Oda and how both of them do this but they do it like ten times better than Nomura. They have three of those moments executed well for every one time Nomura executes it well. People deify Sanderson and Oda a lot too because of it, but the difference between them and why it's more deserved for Oda and Sanderson is that their stories are planned way more than Nomura's. Nomura is kind of making it up as he goes on, maybe planning a handful of things here and there, you know he knows what the Master of Masters is up to and stuff like that, but Sanderson and Oda have greater visions and actually know how they want to get to the end of a given book or arc and they know how they want to end the overarching narrative, they just full in the blanks as they go. Nomura doesn't really have any idea how he wants to end anything other than "Sora beats Xehanort". That could change but we'll see

[@keyamazed1038]

Sanderson's writing obliterates anything Nomura can come up with. Sanderson is just on another planet from most wirters in general. If not just by the quality of the books he writes, but also by the sheer volume and quantity. A total master of his craft. Reading your comment about Sanderson made my day lol. Agreed 100%

[@aneonfoxtribute]

@@keyamazed1038 This is absolutely true. Oda is too. Both of them have some very obvious flaws in how they right but they're both absolute genius writers.

[@seijusmoke8672]

Bro what Oda literary had Sabo see luffys execution at loguetown and that didn’t elicit his memories only after marineford he gets his memories back. He may foreshadow a lot but he definitely does make things up as he goes along like Nomura does. The problem is Oda doesn’t have Disney up his ass. You people love hating and discrediting him he may not be the best writer but he certainly isn’t bad.

[@aneonfoxtribute]

@@seijusmoke8672 What are you talking about. First of all, I know what you're talking about with Sabo but we don't know that for sure. Second, I never SAID that Oda didn't make things up as he goes along, or course he does, every writer does. You can't plan out literally every aspect. I'm saying that Oda and Sanderson plan MORE than Nomura, because they factually do. They have the conclusions of their stories in their mind from the moment they start writing. I'm not disrespecting Nomura at all, I'm just stating facts.

[@seijusmoke8672]

@@aneonfoxtribute nomura has no leeway to plan like Oda does he thought kh1 would’ve been the only game in the series if it didn’t sell well, your comparing a game story to the best selling manga obviously it’s going to pale in comparison. Oda carefully plans out and has planned out most of one piece but there are still plot holes. Assuming nomura hasn’t planned his story he still does a good job at tying it together , if KH ever got an anime adaption it would be easier to see because as it is the story is less accessible. People blindly hate on nomura cos it’s the trend when they don’t know he’s responsible for one of the most iconic video game deaths n heavily involved with the storytelling of the original ff7. We all know he’s unhinged but he defo has capability and merit. Oda is great but people worship him like a God just because he planned his story out.

[@Rainos62]

i would not be suprised if he had a basic outline but i agree that the finer details came much later and some of the stuff i think he did on a whim and tied it in on a whim.

[@vadandrumist1670]

I'm curious what you'd think about, well, advancing the story? What I mean is, every conflict beyond the first game has been a return of something from before. The story is always the culmination of the past rather than development of the future. Started with Ansem and Xemnas, then go back to Xehanort, then back to the foretellers, and according to Master if Masters the darkness took the form of people (probably a bunch of Vanitas) so a possible story set even before the foretellers. It looks like they may be wrapping up the series with this next "saga", and if so that means from start to finish the series is rolled back on itself. Just doesn't feel right to me.

[@XepherXV]

they were pretty adimate about xehanort saga ending wouldn't be the end back when kh3 was coming out, not saying it cant happen but it would feel really disingenuous for them to turn around make one more game then fuck off. even if this next ark is the last, I feel like they at least are gonna milk it a little

[@FuckYoutubeAndGoogle]

Here's the thing, this is Square Enix. What makes you think KH will ever end? Final Fantasy was originally meant to be just 1 game, and that series will endure for as long as Square Enix is a company that makes video games. KH and FF are not a 1 to 1 comparison, but it seems unlikely that they would completely cast aside one of their most popular franchises.

[@vadandrumist1670]

@@FuckKZbinAndGoogle What I think means KH will end is three-fold. The first is that the MoM said his plan would destroy darkness forever, which would deprive the series of its central cause of conflict. The second is as I explained above how the series keeps on reaching backward, but they've hit a soft cap. MoM is *the* first keyblade wielder outside of the X-blade; they'll have a hard time reaching earlier than that. The third is that this just isn't a sustainable system. While there's alot of Disney content they are slowly but surely bleeding it dry, and with Disney's recent aversion to making original content there isn't a flow to match the drain. Because of this system they can't just reboot the series or create a new universe for it either, since every part of it that's Disney is pretty much fixed.

[@majine.2606]

@@vadandrumist1670 You have good points and I appreciate how thoroughly you made them. However, I feel like the series probably won't end here, since there are a few different ways the MoM could screw things up and not succeed in his plan to wipe out the Darkness for good. Especially since I doubt the KH-verse could hold itself together if such a fundamental part of it was suddenly ripped away. There's also the possibility that the events in this new saga could provide the building blocks for new villains rising to power, ones who aren't so beholden to the tradition of it all. The fact the writers have introduced a whole different reality in the form of Quadratum tells me that they're making sure the series doesn't have to keep pulling from the same well of lore that's been around since the first game. As for the well of Disney content running dry, I'd say we're still a fair distance away from that. Not only are there plenty of animated Disney films they still haven't adapted, but there are all the live-action films and even (ugh...) the live-action remakes of the animated ones that could be explained away through alternate universes. With Disney having access to Marvel, Star Wars, the Muppets and 21st Century Fox, there's almost more content for KH to adapt than what they'll ever get around to. Whether any of this will lead to compelling narratives or not, only time can answer, but the franchise is just too profitable to warrant wrapping things up yet.

[@AquariusC]

Remember when Kingdom Hearts was a light hearted, moral, coming of age story?

[@nanosyd6247]

We miss you Bloody!

[@8bitdee]

The Master of Masters is Demyx (or his "somebody"). If it sounds ridiculous then all the more reason why that would happen because ridiculousness is Nomura's MO when it comes to storytelling.

[@unfoldedperson8737]

Where’s BB at?

[@nomoremandead3910]

He basically stopped everything because of his health n isn't really making money from this anymore

[@williamrichter1113]

@@nomoremandead3910 isn't he a father too?

[@nomoremandead3910]

@@williamrichter1113 yee

[@meathir4921]

I’m mixed overall. On the one hand, it’s certainly what I expected in terms of wtf. On the other hand, it’s still the same old same old. At least the franchise may have some direction now.

[@splunkmastah4609]

Enjoy your life, good sir. May your family prosper and life fulfilling lives. Thank you for the content you provided for us.

[@SilentFlyX]

I just love the KH Talks

[@mistayoutubah]

WHERE ARE YOU BRO WE NEED YOU NOW

[@MrDannyloco]

The best thing a writer can do is pretend they've had everything planned all along

[@astari_1014]

Nomura is the Dutch of KH. Hes got a plan.

[@EddyBinxEB]

So about Smash Bros. Do we get a KH Talk for that now too? 🤣

[@anotherguy7539]

MOM: to defeat darkness, you must be darkness

[@mookiedt]

After playing GoW(2018) I notice some similarities between that version of Odin and the MoM. Then KH3 is released and Skoll is in the game. Then Dark Road is released and some of the new characters have Norse names. Kind of makes me wonder if MoM's real name will be Norse instead of Latin. Maybe something else. Who knows.

[@simbathedog55]

What has me gripped the most about the current KH plot is the fact that for the first time, we have a massive number of ambiguously aligned factions. The MoM, the Foretellers, Luxu himself, Maleficent, the Dandelions, the KH3 Guardians of Light, whatever remnants of Xehanort there are (if they exist), AND Yozora and his forces. We have new princesses of Heart too. We have no idea who's on who's side, and I cannot be more hyped to see how it'll unfold.

[@JellyMyst]

I'm not hyped when it comes to MoM's plan. At this point it's pretty clear to me that it'll never get the focus and elaboration it needs to become interesting. This nebulous plan has been teased for years, and everything that's revealed about it turns the whole thing on its head, every time. There's almost no point any more to me.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

So the last 10th of UnionX was an okay setup to an actual story that we might get in 5 years and might pay off in a decade. Truly peak KH.

[@TheSCPStudio]

Kind of idiotic for you to think that when so much about gaming has changed since the conception of KH and even throughout the series’ journey.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

@@TheSCPStudio can you elaborate? Cause I don't get your point.

[@LuxuFoo]

So... this aged poorly.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

@@LuxuFoo this will age poorly if all the setup unionX did instead of having a plot gets resolved in KH4. they have to deal with the MoM, capital D Darkness, the black box, whatever ava is doing, whatever brain is doing, whatever ephemer was doing, and I probably forgot something. until then all the trailer showed is that sora is in quadratum and strelitzia isn't dead, like anyone didn't know that.

[@noah1535]

Another detail I liked from the KHUX ending was kinda giving a reason for why MoM was also in Quadratum, as it was completely random when it was in one of kh3's endings

[@Shayanzass]

I do like also how darkness isn't just a dark force that exists and is just bad. The heartless and the darkness in peoples hearts that corrupt them all come from these 13 primordial darknessess, and whatever these beings are, are slowly losing their minds not being in a form, and are singular but also a hive mind. But they used to actual physical beings and I want know what they are, because apparently there have been countless keyblade wars, and the world has ended multiple times because of this. Like Darkness as a villian, is actually an villian rather than a thing that's there. Also MoM did say 2 things that you're leaving out, he said he had a safety net and that he wasn't going to completely throw away the lives of the foretellers, and that he is also searching for a land where light and darkness do not exist. Which makes me think he isn't completely in love with the light, but rather has a very strong hate towards the darkness. But everything is leading to whatever is going on in Quadratum. Also, I do think some segments in KH3 and remind parts make alot more sense. We talk to a darkness, Vanitas says he is darkness. Vanitas made no sense from being pulled from Ven, but now thanks to UX, we have context that it may be one of the darkness that did possess him that made him kill Streletzia. I also like to think that Demon Tower and Demon tide have more to do with the "darkness of the past", at least it makes alot more sense, that they are there to bring the end of the world and fuck up everyone. and with the Light of the past coming back to get rid of the demon tide to protect the future keyblade wielders. It does fit a little. But that's just reaching and trying to fix the mess that is KH3. It made me really think of what KH3 as a journey was, and how the world of UX and MoM worlds were and what they had to deal with. That no matter what, darkness would come and end the world. Our characters, Sora and the entire crews whole plan was to deal with Xehanort, but their issues was so miniscule in the grand scheme of things. Because seemingly out of nowhere These primordial darknesses were just doing their things to end the world in the background and trying to end the world, and they did it. and it made no sense to us as players of KH3, but as players of UX. It does make alot more sense. I don't know if Nomura intended this, I think its safe to say Nomura knew the ending of UX while doing KH3, because Nomura is said to write the endings and then work his way to it, so I think this is how planned KH3 to be, but in the form we got it without the context of KH3, it just made no fucking sense and made part of the plot really fucking dumb. This could be me trying to justify nomura's writing. But the pieces seem to just fit with what we've been told in UX and all its lore. Also I'd really spend a day and watch all the cutscenes of UX BB, there's alot of lore that you're missing that is interesting, although alot of UX is so fucking bad. I think there is a cut down version without all the filler.

[@1upchavez]

Thank you for calling out the nonsense fans that reach too hard. It had to be said.

[@MANJYOMETHUNDER111]

We found out what Xehanort's mother looks like before Sora's.

[@MANJYOMETHUNDER111]

Brain left his body in the past and got a new one when he time-travelled. Luxu-Brain is just Luxu using Brain's discarded body in the past as a vessel.

[@ipwnukazu]

miss u bb

[@vacuiaeruleum4252]

I mean, i wouldn't doubt much that Nomura could had used the info of a random ass website to give D E E P meaning to his game, it actually sounds possible to me.

[@DGenHero]

You okay dude?

[@DeBeOtaku]

Thanks for the update dude! I couldn't keep up with the app!

[@defianthound407]

Can't belive the KH community killed Bl00DY. Take your time man an keep being a variety streamer. It's understandable getting burned out playing the same thing over an over.

[@johnjohnothan5927]

Yayy kite dog pfp. Ive been seeing you for years

[@defianthound407]

@@johnjohnothan5927 sorry a lot of stuff I comment or post is super cringe. Forgive me 🤣 sorry you had to see that.

[@defianthound407]

@@johnjohnothan5927 thanks for being a .hack fan

[@Rex13013]

Thank you! A lot of people just like to reach to make everything Nomura throws at them make sense, and or think he planned everything from the start when that's definitely no sense and it's most likely the other way around. There's stuff that was planned yes or blatantly foreshadowed like some things from bbs to DDD like Xigbar being half Xehanort and Saix being part of the new org because Xigbar's eyes changed from brown to yellow in bbs and when Aqua ask him who is he there was a close up to said yellow eyes, and Saix had blue eyes in bbs but in kh2 and 358/2 days his eyes were yellow. But there's a myriad of other stuff (mostly from kh3) that seem like Nomura pulled out of nowhere like example the one that bothers me the most is Xigbar being Luxu because it makes no sense for a lot of reasons but this comment is already too long so I just mention a plothole within kh3, in the reports it says he passed down the "no name" and went from world to world from body to body "keybladeless" but you can't hop from body to body without releasing your own heart and you can't do that without a keyblade so he couldn't even come up with a good excuse.

[@sarthakarora3212]

Or maybe of payed attention and toke note that no name is MOM's keyblade not luxu's and a wilder can get a new one anyway. (How? Don't know yet but they have been giving the out to millions of kids in union.)

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

Let me Re:Mind you people that Coded was pitched while Nomura was drunk. Need I Re:Mind you about the whole “Aqua being stuck in the Dark Realm for 10 years while Sora and Riku got out multiple times with little issue?” If you people think that Nomura has ANY semblance of galaxy-brain, forward-planning… you are *out of your minds.* The man is a terrible writer and an even worse revisionist… but he *is* at least an entertaining and thought-provoking one, I’ll give him that.

[@godawful5600]

This is a great take

[@sarthakarora3212]

The fuck. They only went once to the dark relam and got out cause destiny islands are located in-betwwen relam and this passage way was discovered in kh 2, after which it toke them a few months to rescue aqua. Pitched =/= made or written. He wanted a kh 1 remake specifically, the plot and gameplay was planned a long time after that.

[@t.v.rockwell4504]

Nomura with Kingdom Hearts is the definition of "Writing by the seams of your pants." It can be frustrating, but damn is it fun.

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

@@sarthakarora3212 - Sora got turned into a Heartless in KH1, therefore his heart was in the Dark Realm; 1 hug from Kairi brought him back. - Riku got sealed in the Dark Realm with King Mickey at the end of KH1; DiZ magicked him a card to bring him to Castle Oblivion in Chain of Memories. - Roxas (Sora’s Nobody) was in the Dark Realm talking to Xemnas at some point during 358/2 Days... a scene shown in KH2. - KH2’s ending. - Riku goes in and out multiple times before fighting Anti-Aqua in KH3. - Sora goes in/out of the Dark Realm in KH3 during/after the Anti-Aqua fight. The point is: She is a *Keyblade Master* and she was one of the few people who *couldn’t* escape from the Dark Realm, for whatever reason. ...and the best excuse that Nomura came up with was that Mickey *forgot* to tell anyone about her... RIGHT AFTER HE JUST MET HER DURING KH1’S ENDING and she also couldn’t summon any of her Keyblades... which is never explained. Why? Because she wasn’t birthed from Nomura’s mind-womb yet when making KH1. Side note: In KH2, Donald and Goody don’t recognize Yen Sid’s Tower... *when they were THERE in BBS.* PLANNING? What’s that!?

[@Typical7]

the khux ending was really floaty if you know what i mean ;)

[@SpookyTanukiGaming]

I feel like MoM is Nomura or at least a sort of Nomura insert. He's already going a bit meta with the Verum Rex stuff. Not to mention Disney and Square have already been personified in the series.

[@monk9933]

Would love to see your elden ring playthrough up here man!

[@livingtoaster1358]

I see the Master of Masters as the this version of God you see that the sacrifices he makes he says that in the end they'll be back they won't be gone and the darkness will be erased forever and he's tricks Luxu saying that don't let your emotions get in the way however he says when Luxu goes away he says your feelings and your heart will be the leading key to this I doubt he actually means for them to disregard how they'll feel rather he wanted Luxu to become the traitor because he does call Luxu traitor after saying his feelings are the key for this

[@the1bigbadwolf]

I think the people who theorize for kingdom hearts is most people look for answers naturally in life so of course they would do the same for a game series they enjoy.

[@kalkwiese]

Nomura isn't a genius, but he is an absolute madman and I'm just completely down for it

[@harp-692]

Wait does someone actually believe that Nomura will even end this story right? In the end he gets the same ending as xehanort

[@choud-cc]

Sad to see you don’t do much kh3 stuff, you might enjoy it more with some of the mods that have come out. There are movement mods that change the physics for the better (closer to 2FM) and speed up combos/combo cancelling. As well as the remind abilities being implemented into the story so they don’t get dumped on you all at once after you beat the game. I’d love to see you try them out on stream

[@AutisticWayOfLife]

So Vanitas is definitely one of the 13 big darknesses, yeah? Last we see of Ven is him fighting a darkness as a pure light, then way later Xehanort extracts darkness from his heart. So I guess they merged?

[@vadandrumist1670]

13 darkness? It's just seven though; one for each of the sins, right?

[@Okoloid]

@@vadandrumist1670 There are 13 Darknesses, but 7 "Deadly Sins" among them. It's unclear if the others still exist, but so far the story is only focusing on the 7

[@vadandrumist1670]

@@Okoloid I see. Well, if they're identified as being darkness with bodies then we've got Ansem, Vanitas, and Sephiroth. That just leaves ten, though Sora is also possibly one of them.

[@Okoloid]

@@vadandrumist1670 In Union X, they're portrayed without physical form and they need vessels in order to keep existing. Ansem is close, but he's a Heartless which are considered their own faction of darkness, and Sephiroth has never been anything more than a cameo. Vanitas was a special case since Xehanort kinda gave him his own physical form without needing a vessel. As far as we know, Vanitas is the only character that we know for sure is one of the Darknesses. Everything else is speculation

[@vadandrumist1670]

@@Okoloid What are the specific qualifications? Honest question, I didn't think it was specified what brands the darkness has to be. I'd say Ansem might still fit the bill, since he literally didn't have a form until he possessed Riku. While Sephiroth is an FF character, he is given a report in KH1 and a story bit in KH2. He does technically fit the qualifications are far as I know them.

[@monasticmaestosobinch2369]

I think you'd have resonated with buns more if you'd been playing khux instead of just checking in occasionally. I don't blame you for not playing it but most of us were freaking out because we'd gotten so invested in our own keykids and all their friends that we genuinely deeply care about where they are now, where they've all ended up. That's what buns is talking about

[@SapphireCarbuncle009]

God I'm getting Sherlock flashbacks. At least with 979 people weren't trying to act like there was a secret 980th episode that explains everything and is the best KH content ever

[@PointsofData]

Nomura decides to take a break from KH and make a different unrelated game then people get pissed when it turns out to be a different unrelated game And then Nomura ties it into KH because of course he would

[@CYBER_FunkER]

I usually say "Nomura's Wild Ride" as a meme but this video has convinced me to not really joke about that sort of thing anymore. Poe's Law is real and I guess I shouldn't add to the fire. That being said as someone who stuck with the game the entire time and put at most $30 over the years I really liked the end. I guess it was kind of emotional manipulation though, sucks how that works.

[@cyndertnt6382]

i wander what he thinks about the kh 4 reveal

[@eduardoftb]

Hope he watched the KH4 trailer :(

[@JellyMyst]

I'm with BB on the overanalysis. It can be real annoying. I've been told that MoM telling Luxu literally, " _You_ are the essential part of the plan,[emphasis added]" was MoM referring to himself. I went to the Japanese version, and yes indeed he clearly says the word you, or an equivalent, and the guy just wouldn't let go. And the whole point of this interpretation? Showing that MoM has an ego. Nomura has no plan. The guy literally wanted to turn FF15 into a musical, because he watched a musical one day. The guy hops from one momentary interest to another. If there was a plan in place all the way back whenever, it's been changed to something unrecognisable, and continues to be changed.

[@CaptainCJ97]

I shouldn't be shocked but why is a mobile game important to the series? But atleast it has good music

[@vadandrumist1670]

Because when it comes to KH every "spin-off" is important to the series.

[@sailor3047]

i guess so it doesn't feel like a waste of time tbh. why have someone play a mobile game for hundreds of hours for nothing? i guess they just don't want anyone to feel left out. which sucks because honestly khux would've been a better choice for a big game since it covers so much important shit.

[@CaptainCJ97]

@@sailor3047 yup

[@mizzix]

@@sailor3047 mobile gacha games are addicting, you could have a retelling of kh1 plot and the players wouldn't give a shit and keep playing it

[@omnisel]

Talking about Union χ Ending and Why Twitter Sucks | KH Talks

[@livingtoaster1358]

They do treat Nomura as a prophet y'know what he could be idk to be fair they predicted Gaurdian being Terra since BBS so idk anything is possible

[@aKazaen]

Xehanort was calling from inside the house the whole time

[@bariyou]

Kingdom Hearts 4: "He's Xehanort, she's Xehanort, you're Xehanort? I'M XEHANORT! Are there any other Xehanorts I should know about?"

[@themaskedlucas]

Gary: "X-blade"

[@tophfb]

And then poof, he disappeared.

[@XepherXV]

great talks bb

[@bobkys7916]

There are 13 Darknesses among us 😳 Also, yeah 979 does have multiple meanings from different websites,etc. But don't you think its weird that the first result that comes up when you search 979 IS endings lead to new beginnings? Especially after the game literally ended?

[@XepherXV]

13 darksusses

[@XepherXV]

in reply to your edit, i definitely think its a coincidence because I don't think namura used blogspot for that information

[@Nyzer_]

It's nice that you're excited for the plot threads here, but, honestly, I wouldn't keep my hopes up if I were you. They did this level of character development and dark plot points in Chain of Memories. And after that, well... It's especially true with what you say about the story being binary light vs. dark. CoM gave us Riku, the good guy wielding darkness. It was a MASSIVE plot point in his story. And it got stripped away in the very next game, with it becoming little more than darker colors for Riku's skills in DDD. Then in KH3, we're told darkness is needed to get Roxas out of Sora's heart, and no one even thinks of asking Riku - instead Roxas's heart just gets deus ex machina'd out. I honestly just think it comes down to the editors and co-writers Nomura has. He comes up with the crazy plot twists and they handle the buildup. But ever since CoM, there's been less and less of that, capping off with DDD & KH3. No guarantee we'll keep any of this.

[@pogoj1m]

i've like kingdom hearts my whole life until the third game came out and it put me in a very serious depression. How can anybody enjoy this series after the third game everything in the series just feels shallow now what is even enjoyable from this series anymore i seriously need to know what happened

[@J-LeeFORD]

KH fans see Nomura the same way Star Wars fans see George Lucas. Their concepts and brainchildren birthed so many lasting moments and memories people hold them in that high regard for being that creative. Not for every line of dialogue and they both benefit from others helping to fulfill their visions.

[@MANJYOMETHUNDER111]

The MoM isn't raising the vessels to kill them, he explicitly said they'd survive. They'd just, you know, suffer a lot.

[@rikustorm13]

I’m both sad about khux but at the same time I don’t care for some reason

[@rikustorm13]

*and at the same time

[@loopygordo]

The thing that gets me is that the MoM also says he was preparing ways to save everyone. What does that mean specifically

[@TheKeyblader133]

What doesn't help is that we can't know like...what exactly his plans are and what will/won't work. But if we take MoM at his word, his plan is: -Simultaneously train his apprentices into having strong hearts that can overpower darkness that resides within them, yet manipulate them into turning on one another or being emotionally swept up in the loss of the keyblade war that the emotions within them become a beacon for the strongest of the formless Darkness. But, due to their training, they would be strong enough to not be overcome by the Darkness and serve as a prison for it, which could be used to destroy the darkness later. Probably by killing them. -Get the Dandelions into the Data world so that there are future keyblade wielders. This one confuses me, because they will be trapped in the data world...so I don't understand how the Dandelions could go onto the new world as described if they can't escape. So effectively they have to either become dream eaters or pass on to a new heart like the player character does. Which that could be part of MoM's plan so idk. -But mainly he apparently intends to at the very least save the Dandelions in some way. *or* possibly even save all the keyblade weilders who fought in the keyblade war even. It's unclear. It may have something to do with the Data Daybreak town, which has interesting implications. Especially given Quadratumn/Verum Rex or whatever it's called, mainly with Yozora not looking like he's supposed to, apparently, but who knows if there's any connection there. Maybe he even intends to save the people (including himself) that are his designated vessels for the 13 Darknesses. Basically I don't really know for sure so this info is probably useless. Seeing as this is basically the early stages of this "Foreteller Saga", it's hard to say what anything is gonna lead to.

[@vadandrumist1670]

Considering it's possible to reverse causality to revive people, get erased from reality because of it, and still be able to be revived even after erasure, I'm sure he has options.

[@night-oblivion8423]

Pretty good KH talk... Btw you still interested in that KH1 and KH1 FM Sountrack?

[@Mngalahad]

Uniom x is real? I thought it was just a running joke by pancake.

[@AntiRiku]

come back dad

[@zachwelch7349]

Where tf u been bro I need them kh randos

[@Redberd36]

This: www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srponm

[@zachwelch7349]

@Redberd36 dude... I’m heartbroken :(( poor guy... I wish he get the help he seeks to be happy again. I struggle with depression too. I lost my best friend in this world.... my big brother, as well as my father, and my step father all to covid this past year and life’s been horrible nothing but horrible. I wouldn’t wish depression on anybody. It sucks man. I miss his vids but his health and happiness is far more valuable :( may he get better soon

[@aidanklobuchar1798]

People thinking Strelitzia being planned all along is like thinking Terra was planned as the Guardian since KH1. Like, no. If this was Oda (One Piece), then maybe. But Nomura ain't that guy.

[@Zetsuga47]

Final fantasy versus 13... 13... Final fantasy vs 13 darknesses... So that leak of 13 versus back in that day asking where sora is was real?

[@mak4715]

nomura does what kojiwont ;)

[@windwaker2094]

I honestly liked the idea of the player turning into Xehanort just a shame that Dark Road ruined that idea with the child of destiny plot point or whatever it was

[@Tensolin01]

Yuuuus

[@amilyndreams]

BLOODY KH4 IS REAL