The Wait for KH3 was Different for Everyone, And That's Okay | KH Talks

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[@linear1224]

That scene at the end of KH2, the vanilla KH2 with the message in the bottle was the moment I started waiting.

[@Fede4Cod]

Same. I was 12 years old when i finished it and that ending was probably the reason i got addicted to the videogames industry because since then i started checking news and updates in the (vain) hope to see some KH3 related news. That, eventually, made me a three sixty degree videogames fan.

[@servantbyday]

Yup me too!

[@jasonharris9187]

I feel like this was the case for most fans of the series at that time. My brother and I played vanilla KH2 relentlessly when it came out (mostly me, but he liked it a lot too). I mean, we played vanilla KH1, fans PROBABLY played CoM on GB if they wanted to, then we played vanilla KH2. We wanted that next mainline story, we wanted to continue on as Sora. Square set us up to want the next game, which realistically speaking, would have been KH3. BB is right, why would we have just KNEW they were going to make a bunch of relevant and (still) fun side games? Elitists need to chill. Lol.

[@sobersplash6172]

Exact same for me Most people didn’t have FM at the time

[@JonathonMcClung]

@@Fede4Cod Sorry for the necro, but I totally agree about the it being part of what made me an all around fan of video games. I mean I got handheld consoles to play KH games and then had to justify those purchases with buying other games as well haha

[@peterwill3168]

Just a minor note, "twitter is fucking crazy" is probably the best statement to start a video/discussion ever, I loved it.

[@madratthemighty]

So I think it is important to make the distinction between “wait time” and perceived development time. I was in the group that thought that the secret ending to 2FM was for KH3, I fully admit that. I guess I had it in the back of my mind that every game afterwards was leading into KH3, so I was waiting for a long time, but it was not the forefront. However, I have had discussions with people who thought that KH3 was in development since right after 2FM, and those people are not correct. The people that say “wow KH3 is such a mess, it took 12 years to come out” are trolling.

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

That's probably where a lot of the anger people express toward the waiting since 2FM crowd comes from. There were a lot of people making that exact comment back around launch.

[@Patricwithnok]

Exactly. it's fine if yall were anticipating a KH3 12 years ago. I was too. The other games assuaged me tho. To say that it "took 12 years to come out" is just not accurate. I think people get annoyed at the mischaracterization of the wait as similar to other delayed things like FF Versus XIII

[@raze2012_]

This is the one that gets me. I agree in the scope of A person waiting for a specific title with specific production values and etc. We get the same kinds of differences in Final Fantasy, even tho there is no connected storyline. But saying "this game took 12 years to make and is shit" is honestly, objectively wrong. We don't know the full story on our end, but the gist of the details officially known are - The secret ending showed what people assumed was KH3 - in hindsight, the game was always intended to be a spinoff. a PS2 spnioff made by Osaka - According to the BBS ultimania, it got paused by Re:COM of all things. when they got back, they switched to PSP. I wonder how people would feel if BBS was called "Kingdom Hearts 0" or "Kingdom Hearts Origins" and it came out on PS2 as expected.

[@Taka_Sakagami]

Indeed. The game I thought I was waiting for after KH2 (the secret ending) ended up being BBS, not KH3. My next expectation (the note in the bottle) ended up being DDD. It wasn't until DDD that I started waiting for KH3.

[@Lakross101]

I agree but I'd also say it's not wrong to say it took however many years. It did. It did NOT take 12 years to MAKE. It's all about perception.

[@kurimiaisukurimu]

Since I thought the KH2FM secret ending was a sneak peak at KH3, I think my wait started after KH2FM

[@iambored6702]

Ngl I waited 5 years for kh and I wasn't really excited lol (also I am not excited for Mom either) I liked KH3 but for real namine got 3 minute of screentime RePliKu could have took the RePliKu like it was good but for real it was dumb

[@sobersplash6172]

Same, I pretty much started the wait when I finished KH2 It’s been a decade

[@RepyonDonGaming]

Same bro I thought the 2FM secret ending was KH3. When I saw BBS I was hype because recognized the characters from The 2FM secret ending. But I always thought KH3 Was coming soon after bbs but boy was I wrong lol

[@homersams9015]

@@RepyonDonGaming Same I remember finding the lingering will fight and secret ending on youtube in like 2009-2010 and was so fucking hyped because I thought it was Kh3

[@TophDaGreat]

The wait parties to my knowledge OGs-People who had been playing KH since day 1 and grew up on it. We were the most hyped. A lot of KHtubers kept hype alive with analysis trailers and discussion vids. new gens-People who weren't around during the OG days, but got on the hype train once the .5 compilation games came out. Was a good way to binge the games and prepare for KH3 Memelords-The wait for KH3 basically became a meme so you had folks on twitter, youtube, fb, discord etc basically make shitposts and memes about KH3 Speedrunners-Basically OGs but speedrun KH games down to a science MCU Bots-People who joined the disney bandwagon post MCU success begging for their favorite marvel/star wars character to be in KH even though they had never played a KH game prior. I'm sure I'm leaving many out., but yea. What an adventure. Will probably never have a wait hype like for a game ever again.

[@twangy_juice8126]

My wait was only a month because I binged the whole series in December of 2018 lol

[@lucapeyrefitte6899]

Omg I really really really really hope the MCU or star wars doesn't come to kingdom hearts, it makes more sense just to have only actual Disney movies and the occasional live action Disney movie, plus even though those franchises bought by Disney doesn't feel like it would fit in KH

[@StardustZee]

Why do ogs have to be day 1?

[@theinimitablejora522]

I know my first exposure to Kingdom Hearts was the E3 2015 trailer for 3. THAT was sure interesting...

[@StardustZee]

@@theinimitablejora522 my first experience was 10 years ago when i was 5 years old

[@spider1k460]

I really loved this topic lmao. I remember seeing Sora finding that message in a bottle and little me would look up google image photoshop of stuff like "Kingdom Hearts 3: The Keyblade War" and getting SOOOO hype off of just fan art. mannnn I miss it

[@prodjavonci]

SAME

[@sdrucciolinofreebootino5248]

Like seeing fan images of super sayan 5 goku... good times

[@zul2788]

Man me and my sister was super hyped about that Keyblade war thing. I also loved how We were all so sure KH3 was going to come out on PS3, how wrong we was though 😂. I also remembered the first time of playing BBS on the PSP. I had to wait ages after release date because it was my Bro PSP and he is also a fan of Kingdom Hearts. Had to secretly steal it for a night lmao. My mind was so blown having a game like KH calibre portably. Such a simpler times..

[@SuperNintendawg]

Same, man I was such a nerd, lol.

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

I feel like a lot of the anger toward the 12 year wait crowd stems from people around launch being all "they took 12 years making this game and this is the shit we got?!" (You know the typical Square RPG reaction of hating something until something newer comes along to hate)

[@joeyoxo7477]

Back then, i thought DDD was KH3 since they titled it Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance. Thought they was going with the pun in the 3DS.

[@Zephhi]

They kinda were. 3D is 3 D’s: Dream, Drop, and Distance. Also it being a 3DS game lol

[@iceclkeyheart3060]

I mean essentially it almost is DDD and kh3 feels like one games split into two it wise

[@cillbipher2613]

Well technically DDD is like KH3 Part 1 so...

[@StardustZee]

@@cillbipher2613 nono. Its kh II.7

[@CloneLoli]

I seriously thought the message from Mickey at the end of 2, not FM implied a KH3 was next, so I waited since 2006 for KH3, even with all the little spin-off games I saw, I'd immediately wonder, when is KH3 coming? So yeah even for me the wait was not 12 years but 13 years instead. I've been a fan of KH since I played it the month it came out when my parents got it for me when I was 4, we were poor so I never got a PSP, we only generally got big consoles because everyone could use them for movies or games, so all I ever thought about was KH3. Even when DDD's trailer dropped I legitimately thought it was KH3 especially because of that stupid pun title, I got that game on 3DS, played it and the credits confirmed to me that a KH3 would come around sometime soon then it finally got announced in 2013. So no, anyone waiting for KH3 that said 12 years or 13 years is not necessarily someone who didn't like the story like many people seem to think, I'm sorry my family being poor kept me from getting certain KH games but I literally just played KH1, KH2 and Chain of Memories on GBA up until KH3D came out. If they announced Half-Life 3 would the waiting only count after the announcement because it's an official announcement? Or is the waiting valid the whole time?

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

A lot of the angry responses to the 12 years thing is because on launch there was a fair amount of "This game took 12 years to make" attitude. So a lot of people are just sour on the idea.

[@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm]

Half-Life Alyx is already a direct sequel of Half-Life 2 : Episode 2 so we are only some months waiting for HL3

[@CloneLoli]

@@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm That's not how that works, people want a true sequel to HL2:EP2 which would be HL3, true sequel being same genre and general gameplay style as well as an actual continuation. HLA is not a sequel either, it's a prequel. The actual wait for HL3 can be considered since 2009 and ever since Gabe Newell himself said that their next project was in fact HL3 within the EP2 itself. This is the whole KH thing over again, KH was still getting games after 2 but logically people expected a KH3 more than any other game thus creating the possible "long wait", I remember my dad would ask me all the time "So when are they making a Kingdom Hearts 3?" and I'd reply with "I don't know." because I assumed a KH3 would have been soon but it didn't come for a long time, it's logically the next step in the series. When Doom 2 was made as well, I don't think people expected Doom 3 be released 10 years later regardless of whether Doom 64 came in-between the two games. Either way, people still meme and talk about waiting for HL3, they've been waiting for 11 years now and just because a game with a different genre style came along in-between that time doesn't mean HL3's wait time was magically reset.

[@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm]

@@CloneLoli except Alyx is a true sequel to HL2:EP2 doesn't matter if it's now in VR or not, it's still a continuation, it's just about the same length as HL2 and even longer than most Half-Life games with the same style of narrative, introducing you a new engine, new mechanics, etc.

[@LeonardoRodrigues-uj1sm]

@@CloneLoli Also, it's not a Prequel it's a direct sequel, the events of Alyx happens in a different timeline that effects and changes the story of how 2:EP2 ended going even past its ending point.

[@SirCookiesaki]

Just look at 2's secret ending. How many of us called what would become BBS "KH3"? Sure, it wouldn't have been focused on Sora either way, but I personally expected it to be an improvement over kh2 for the PS3 by the same team that made kh2. That's far from what we got

[@CloneLoli]

Same, as a kid I used to imagine all the possibilities of KH on PS3 lol

[@nesoukkefka1741]

Actually what become BBS was originally plan to happen after KH2, and Sora was suppose to be in it.

[@SirCookiesaki]

@@nesoukkefka1741 Wait, where did they say that? Now I am curious lol

[@ziongamer6905]

@@nesoukkefka1741 I’d love to find this info too bc BBS taking place with new gen keyblade users would be really cool

[@zul2788]

Yeah man. So many smartass especially the newcomer to the series saying we didn't wait for KH3 as soon as the ending of KH2 finished.

[@RSATT01]

I think a lot of the anger comes from the idea that all of the games between 2 and 3 were "just spin-offs", because they don't have a number, despite them all being super important games. I constantly see people saying "yeah it took them like 12 years of spin-offs just to finally make KH3", and then also complaining that nothing in KH3 makes sense lmao.

[@bevvvy1374]

Well it's still a valid complaint. Like BB said, we only know they're important because of hindsight. As a kid you're not going to think an important game in the series is going to come out on the mobile game when the others have been on the big consoles and unless you've been actively trying to keep up with the franchise with your own time, you wouldn't have known that until KH3.

[@CloneLoli]

@@bevvvy1374 Especially if you were poor like me and couldn't even play the majority of those games until the HD Remixes years later.

[@raze2012_]

That's the weird part in all this. BB talked about how people were waiting for KH3, but not what they were expecting. - If you were expecting what the KH2FM secret ending showed, we got that in 2010. - If you were expecting an HD game literally titled 3 but had no real expectations for the story (they just wanted to explore disney worlds in HD. Which is fine). they waited 12 years. - if you wanted resolution to all the plot hangers left , you probably waited 5-6 years, because I assume they played the "spinoffs" and were invested in either Terra/Aqua/Ventus or Axel/Roxas/Xion's stories. Something not touched upon in 2.

[@Yurikon3]

To be honest both quality and story-wise handheld titles were more or less spin-offish. I might approach this differently like others, especially after hearing Frustrated Jacob's essays, but honestly I don´t think stories in spin offs ever held that big overarching substance that not playing them would improve overall plot or understanding of main titles. Overall plot can be summarized in few sentences, but actual narrative is not that interesting that one loses much if they skip hand-helds. I didnt play CoM back then and intro of KH2 caused some headscratchs but nothing essential was lost. Actually intro-sequence, dramatically only good part of KH2, is even better when one has no idea what happened. If one didnt really care about Namine in KH2 they likely wont in CoM either. Days was more or less an afterthought while still nice little story as a manga. BBS might be only more substantical to look out but DDD can simply be summarized that villain used time travel to bring him and his cohorts back. Story didnt really do anything narratively interesting with Xehanort hiding his heart to other people so that is just technicality. People who enjoy 3 will enjoy it even without spin offs cause spinoffs do not really make most of the characters better. They are still mostly bland (That being said I think KH3 actually improved some org members who I normally didn't care about). One title can still be entertaining and character can be good character even if one hadnt played or seen rest of story (Once again KH3 actually has some better character moments which do not require knowledge of spin offs to be entertaining, let's hope Nomura improves characterization like that). Kingdom Hearts plot is already a mess so trying to know all exact lore points is waste of time. Story is actually pretty simple. Complex lore-points do not really need to be understood cause those wont bring anything narratively interesting context to the lot. Bland characters are still bland even if one had played spin-offs and bad execution of story is still bad.

[@Yurikon3]

@@bevvvy1374 Stories of spinoffs aren't even narratively that substantical or characters interesting that there is a need to struggle through them. The best way to enjoy KH's plot is just roll with what comes in anyway. If people who don't know who Terra or folks are and aren't interested in them that is more likely because they are too bland characters in the first place or the story just hasn't given that much reason to care about them. We don't know who exactly MoM is and he still is one of the most liked chars in the series, just some personality and charisma. No shoehorned backstories or demands for players to care without story doing effort are needed. Foretellers and dandelions however...

[@snekbitesboop9643]

Are people confusing KH3 has been in development for 12 years, and people have been waiting for 12 years?

[@Kingdom850]

That's what it feels like. There are people who legitimately think it suffered the same situation as FFXV.

[@eddymetal]

They are doing exactly that. It's ridiculous.

[@Flambingo]

The implication is that they (being those who refer to the wait as being 12 years long) were only concerned with when the next numbered, console title would release, disregarding the handheld games as filler.

[@nesoukkefka1741]

@@Flambingo To be honnest spreading the series on multiple system was completly stupid, like before the HD rerelease you had to have : -A PS2 -A DS -A 3ds -A PSP -And for european even a GBA (Re Chain Of Memories wasn't release on PS2 in europe for some reasons) That was pretty ridiculous thank god they are all available on PS4 now.

[@Flambingo]

@@nesoukkefka1741 The series was definitely horribly mismanaged after 2FM and I can't blame anyone for dropping off after that point. Not to mention the series' general decline beyond 2FM.

[@meathir4921]

I remember TGB making a video titled ‘Waiting 13 Years For A Videogame’ but one of the first things he says is “this isn’t really a sequel to KH2 more so it is to all the other spin off games”

[@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555]

I'd say I started really waiting when 3D came out, prolly cuz I badly wanted a good KH again.

[@IIxIxIv]

3d also lead into kh3 directly in a way kh2, bbs and days didn't

[@ZeroAoAnimations]

Even though im not a graphics person, considering i play old JRPGs But it still urked me that there hast been a graphical jump since ps2, for more than a decade

[@JonathanRiverafrickinnice555]

@@IIxIxIv True, but that was the last thing on my mind.

[@t.v.rockwell4504]

I remember reading about 3D before I learned that it was not in fact KH3. I was so disappointed to learn that it was a spin off.

[@julioandrescruztenorio7175]

Same.

[@DarthCinnabon]

only has 2fm as earliest waiting date. *panicked waiting since watching the secret ending from 2 original on youtube before it dropped in NA noises*

[@StardustNovaChannel]

I did my waiting. 12 years of it.

[@bevvvy1374]

@Counterfeit World You're telling me you DIDN'T want a mobile game to have a place in the story?

[@kingdomkey2262]

IN AZKABAN!!!

[@RockR277]

I would've said since KH2 (not FM cuz baby me didn't even know that was a thing), but that wouldn't technically be true. What I was waiting for was the continuation of the story (not prequels or whatever you would call stories that happen at the same time), but that would have actually been 3DS. So I guess I'd been waiting for KH3 since 3DS.

[@snowarmth]

Cutie Lalafell o-o

[@kingdomkey2262]

Technically that would be Recoded

[@RockR277]

@@kingdomkey2262 It would not be Recoded. 3Ds came out 2 years after re:coded and takes place after re:coded in the story. edit: ah, nvm i see what you're saying.

[@ZeroAoAnimations]

I still dont get the concept of attacking other categories to prove/justify your decision, guy literally calls the others out for being dumb and mentally challenged in his argument... Just for stating what they feel is right

[@bevvvy1374]

It's Twitter. There is no thought or consideration. Just give a hot take you thought of literally 1 second ago and post. Trying to find logic there is pointless

[@SuperNintendawg]

It's fine to attack bad arguments, but I agree that this wasn't one of them.

[@ZeroAoAnimations]

@@SuperNintendawg for me, if most of the aggression is due to personal agenda rather than the subject at hand, its a big no from me

[@TheLPRnetwork]

FF7 remake, Detroit Become Human, star wars battlefront 3, and Avangers Endgame... All stuff people where hyped and waited for before the official announcement.

[@zul2788]

Yeah FF7 remake dream started because of how epic Advent Children was, and they did a tech demo showcasing upgraded graphics on PS3.

[@jasonharris9187]

Hook, line and sinker. This is exactly right. Just because it wasn't announced, didn't have a trailer, or any hint of existence doesn't means fans can't wait for the eventual release or just the conception of the game into existence. It's kind of insane to think that people are stupid for personally having waited the next mainline console title.

[@LeMelleKH2]

@@jasonharris9187 exactly! And you dont see fans of those franchises trying to correct how long people say they waited for them. It’s such a weird thing in this specific community

[@huckmart2017]

As a kid i had a reoccuring dream that kh3 came out and was always disappointed when i woke up. I kinda gave up hope on it when i was a teenager, but then the 2013 announcement happened and i literally screamed so loud my mom had to come check on me.i was beyond excited and immediately began replaying the first two and buying all the games i had missed. But then i had to wait another 6 years and by the time it came out, i honestly barely cared anymore. I finished it in a week or two, shrugged, and never touched it again. I began waiting when i was 10 years old and didnt finally play it until i was 23. It was too long of a wait. That child like excitement can only last so long.

[@SeeMyDolphin]

It also didn't help that... well... the game kind of sucked.

[@sobersplash6172]

This, there’s no amount of hype that can last 12 years When KH3 came out, I was so “meh” about it; I felt like I should have felt something more about it but I just *don’t* anymore

[@gamerintime]

For me it was 12 years too since my first time of playing 2fm last year and i Wanted kh3 so bad even after the original kh2 not the final Mix version. I know about the Story and i care about the story. I even played Union cross and found out it is important to the story, i mean lauriam, elrena, luxord and possibly demyx were keyblade wielders. Btw your chad/terra thundercock monolouge was awesome xD

[@backlogrob8358]

Idk how to respond to this cuz part of me was like waiting since kh2 for kh3 to gimme that sweet sweet conclusion to the xehanort saga (which still might not be over yet...), but I enjoyed what each “side title” added to the plot and how they built up kh3 along the way

[@alchemike6346]

i think simply that waiting for kh3 after kh2 was fair even as someone who played the other games down the line. The wait for kh3 just became a lot more concrete after the announcement

[@Flambingo]

My personal wait started with the game's annoucement, as just before then I had my doubts regarding whether or not KH3 would ever exist. I feel for those who consider it a 12 year wait, though. The handheld titles are strikingly different, and to some, strikingly worse. I imagine these people waited 12 years for the next "good" Kingdom Hearts. The one they personally give a shit about.

[@unbubbletea]

I've been waiting for Kingdom Hearts 3 since the first Kingdom Hearts 1 Beta trailer. I saw the gameplay footage and immediately thought "Wow. This looks amazing. There's gonna be at least 3 of these games and when that 3rd one comes out it'll be a real banger."

[@Powerman293]

With how much I like 3 Remind's combat compared to 1 I'd say that statement holds up lol.

[@SwordSaint32]

For me while I was looking forward to a kh3 from 07 I felt like I was waiting for one since after BBS. Since the games after, recoded, 3D, 0.2 felt like they were stop gaps and placeholder games that didn't really have their own fully complete narrative and instead were set ups for kh3.

[@caldw615]

I would say I'd been waiting since originak KH2's English release. At that time the franchise was only 3 games long. We had 2 main series games and 1 smaller title on the Gameboy with Chain of Memories. Naturally many fans thought the next game would either be KH3 or at least 1 smaller title similar to COM before KH3 itself came out. Fast forward a few years and there's a mobile game, a browser game, 2 DS games, 1 PSP game, a 3DS title and then the remasters of the earlier titles with new content most people outside of Japan wouldn't have played and THEN there's another smaller PS4 title exclusive to the 2.8 bundle before 3 itself eventually came out. It's easy to look back with hindsight and realise how many smaller titles KH made to go "Why did you expect 3 so soon?" but in the context of post KH2 in 2005/2006 the franchise was much smaller and main series numbered titles actually made up the majority of the games released back then. I also didn't skip the smaller games, I did enjoy them for what they were, but I really wanted to experience the same "wow" sensation that KH1 and KH2 had on a more powerful system at the time. As much as I like BBS for example I don't think it had the same awe that KH1 and 2 gave. These were very new and weird crossover concepts with massive boss battles in the early 2000's when something like that hadn't really been done before.

[@centuronstar8688]

For like 15 years. I didn't even know about KH2FM. I didn't have access to any internet at the time. But my friend showed me the KH2FM Secret Ending in it's original Japanese on youtube not knowing what it even was. I remember thinking "WHOA THAT'S KH3! AND ROXAS IS BACK. LOOK AT SORA, RIKU, AND MICKEY'S KEYBLADES THEY LOOK OLD. AND WHO ARE ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE IS THIS THE FUTURE???"

[@seanhood6902]

I think i waited after 2FM. Because for so long i thought the tease of Birth by Sleep was KH3. Idk

[@mariovssonic184]

I feel like the main reason for this argument is because a good amount of people were disappointed with kh3 and started pointing out its flaws and this some how became a defense for kh3. Like the only way you could possible by disappointed with kh3 is if you only played 1 and 2 and waited for 3. Well I fucking played them all. Still feel like I waited for kh3 since Kairi came running with that fucking letter.

[@Devomatics]

Ok, food for thought Let's say if the actual KH3 game that released last year was renamed into something completely different like Kingdom Hearts: Keyblade War or whatever. Would you still be waiting for a concept named "KH3" to eventually be released?

[@darkassasin111]

If it was the exact game that shipped? Nah, and everybody would call it KH3 anyway. It wraps up the whole seeker of darkness plot and ties up most of the loose ends. If it were a game that didn't do those things, then I'd still be waiting for that big 3.

[@poncho3326]

@@darkassasin111 Adding to that, a lot more of work, ambition and money went into making KH3. We all have our opinions about how succesful that was, but I think everyone can agree that in terms of production value, the game we got qualify as the third "mainline" KH game. People could say the same thing regarding BBS and 3D, but I would disagree on the basis that these games have a lot less content and have weird experimental game design, even by KH standard. The KH 3 we got would have been recognized as a successor of KH 1 and KH 2 in these aspects whether it would have been called KH 3 or not.

[@SuperNintendawg]

The production value and stakes to the overall plot were too high IMHO. But I am still waiting for KH3 in the sense that I want a worthy successor to 2FM, even 1.

[@JayboCorp.2014]

For me I'd known about Kingdom Hearts forever due to its popularity and bizarre/interesting crossover nature. A really good friend showed me the PS2 versions around 2007 to 2009, and even let me play them a bit. After all the conversations, questions, and fun were had, I'd say that was when I started waiting. Later I got the collections on PS3 and PS4, a bit before after I got everything on PS3 I started seeing teaser trailers and trailers for Kingdom Hearts 3, and I had a bit of renewed interest and extreme curiosity.

[@marshallseldon4200]

For me I didn't go into the series until earlier this year. While I did watch Somecallmejohhny's reviews on the games back in 2017 I didn't start taking interest until I found out about the physical copy of the All in package back in April of this year so my "wait" for KH3 was about 3 and a half months (since I binge all the games starting at KH1).

[@conteverdi4946]

The wait for KH3 Felt like 3000 years, fell in the KH rabbit hole on kh2 relese and every time there was something like Re:chain of memories, The secret endings on Kh2, Birth by Sleep,DDD, etc. always made me think:thats it, fucking three is coming boys. Then KH3 drops and is lukewarm at best and felt like a cop out. they did my boy Xehanort dirty bro smh

[@fluffdafire157]

Every secret trailer is basically nomura shooting in the dark saying this is related in some way

[@vivian-alexandrarivers897]

I think the wait only really started for me after I played 358/2 Days. It's rather telling when I buy a game not out of a desire to play it, but just to see how the story ends.

[@SuperNintendawg]

Part of the problem for me was that the side games plot kinda negated the endings of KH1 and KH2 by changing the villains' goals, making our victory in those games rather hollow in retrospect. It felt like we had somehow moved backwards while waiting for KH3. The handheld games could surprise you with decent story beats and gameplay but overall, both had slipped, although the story had arguably entered a general decline immediately following KH1. The franchise in general just seemed aimless and going nowhere. Unchained Key or whatever it's been called only exacerbated that feeling. I know people really love the handheld titles, and more power to ya if you do. But to me, they never felt like the next epic adventure, either in storytelling or in quality. And honestly, that pattern continued with KH3. I still love the series though.

[@sofaris576]

I am not that much in to KH anymore. I dont have a ps4 so I just kinda droped out and got in to other stuff. But as a kid I honestly liked the story after KH1. It was mysterious and exciting and the villains where way cooler then in KH 1. I also never had a problem to follow the story. BBS was an amazing prequel to me in terms of story. I am not sure how I fell about the story now that I grew distant to KH but it was awsome as a kid.

[@SuperNintendawg]

@@sofaris576 yeah as an adult the story really seems poorly planned, I had the same mental process. At first I loved all the worldbuilding from BBS, which I actually never played, I just read up on fan wikis about the story and watched some cutscenes. It was cool lore, but not very deep or consistent. I eventually realized how prone Nomura was to retconning, which made established lore feel less valuable because it could be changed at any time. It also demystified the original game. Bequeathing stands out as a stupid retcon, for example. Again, more power to you if you still like the plot of those games. Still, KH is fun. Running around Disney worlds might not feel very consequential but it's still hilarious to see Mickey Mouse talk about the Door to Darkness or watch Elsa hang out with Anime boys. There were genuinely delightful moments in KHIII like Tangled World, returning to Twilight Town, and doofy speeches about friendship. The music by Shimumura and co. is still phenomenal. The voice acting is still top notch (except for Riku in KH3). And Nomura continues to able to write bittersweet storylines that leave you yearning for more. I just wish he would stop with all this time travel, retconning, and ignoring Disney worlds entirely. Also, 358/2 Days had a genuinely great story, but that game is in the rear view mirror at this point. I'll make one more point: I think the writing surrounding characters that aren't S/D/G or the Sea Salt trio has really slipped. Riku was so cool in the first few games, now he just walks around waiting for Sora to advance the plot. Kairi in KH3 might constitute a hate crime against women. I'm exaggerating, but it's frustrating watching one of the ONLY important female characters be completely useless. This was the same in the past OFC but it really stood out in KH3. The gameplay on the other hand... well that ship has probably sailed for now, lol.

[@sofaris576]

@@SuperNintendawg Hope you dont mind if I go on rambeling a bit. How should I put this? I have not played 0.2 and KH3. I have watched them on youtube but I have to play the games to get a feal fore the story. They are games and not movies after all. That is why I am not sure how I fell about the story. But one thing I can say fore certan KH is really fare from being one of my favorite franshises now. The 2 franshises I am currently absolutly love and adore are the Manga/Anime series "Made in Abyss" and the french adventure cartoon "Wakfu". In my opinion in terms of characters and story they blow KH completly out of the water. And that is why I am not all that motivatet to try to get back in to KH. I need a PS4 fore that and I dont have the money fore it so I rather just try out somthing else. Fore example I am in the process of watching "Girls last tour". Not the best show ever but very enjoyable. As a kid I was so obssest with KH that I always huntet after the console fore the next game even though I did not had much money. In hidside actully not to bad. While I did not like a lot of the handheld games thanks to my KH obsession back then I got to experience fantastic games like Kid Icarus Uprising fore the 3DS and Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy fore the PSP. But now I want to try out to make more of what I alrady have. Like my Netflix Abo ore the option to borrow Switch games from my local library. They even buy games fore me to borrow if I ask them. Now about Kairi well first I have to say I dont like Kairi as a character but that made me notice somthing funny. I think people, myself included are aprciative of a characters efforts and acomplishmeants aswell are more forgiving fore his failures when they like the character but are harsher when they dislike the character. Fore example Sakura Haruna. People dont like here and they keep calling here useless even after becoming a powerfull medic ninja and taking down an Akazuki member. And I noticed that with myself with Kairi. First lets talk pre DLC. Obejectively she has been useful. She turned Sora back from a heartless to a human in KH1, helped freeing Sora and Riku from the realm of Darkness in KH2 and in KH 3 she preventet Sora from fading away giving him the chance to save the guardians of light. She and Lea also keept Saix and Xion busy until reinforcmeant in form of Sora shows up. But I remember being dismissive of here myself saying stuff like how Riko from Made in Abyss does more and is cooler while being a fragile 12 years old girl with no super powers while Kairi cant do shit while having a powerful magical sword. After the DLC came out and Kairi kicket replica amored Xehanorts ass my reaction was like "Okay now she is bad ass but I still dont like here as a character". And I startet comparing here fight with that Replica of Armored Xehanort with a certan fight in the cartoon "Wakfu". In that fight 2 characters I like, Adamai a 13 years old Dragon child and his younger brother Grougaloragran, a not even a year old dragon baby, find themself completly unexpected in a confrontation with a really powerful villain. And well they get there ass kicked, they did not acomplished anything and Adamai ends up being a host fore a powerful demon, being an almost bigger problem in the season finanly than the main bad guy. Yet I found myself really apriciating there efforts a lot more the Kairis while being very forgiving of the dragons defeat. After all there still incredible young, especially fore beings that can become thausands of years old and there foe does have thausands of years experience and an super powerful magical artefact. Here is the link to the fight I am talking about although its quite spoilery fore the show: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpulppt8hbeHhZI Its just fun to observe myself in that regard. I dont think Kairi is all that useless but stil l dont like here as a character.

[@amconners]

I can't say /I/ waited for KH3 since 2FM, since I didn't really get into the series until the PS4 HD collections, but to all the people who say /nobody/ waited for KH3 right after KH2, or that it's impossible to have been waiting that long: have you ever finished reading something, or watching something, or playing something, and thought "I can't wait to see what happens next?" It's not hard to imagine people wondering that after KH2, and that is a form of waiting for the next game, whether or not it had been announced or hinted at or anything of the sort.

[@zul2788]

I waited as soon as the KH2 ending finished. They literally teased a continuation of the game, and back then KH wasn't known for its ridiculous spin offs.

[@raze2012_]

"back then KH wasn't known for its ridiculous spin offs." I mean, CoM was in pretty big contention back then.

[@zul2788]

@@raze2012_ and? That one game wasn't the one that make it famous for "spin off" It started being ridiculous after BBS and Coded was announced.

[@poncho3326]

@@raze2012_ A series having one or two weird spin-off between the big important games isn't really uncommon. There has been 5 spin-offs between KH 2 and KH 3, plus one mobile game (not counting the original coded since it eventually became a fully fleshed game).

[@sobersplash6172]

@@raze2012_ I mean, CoM was technically a spin-off in game style, but it was still a direct continuation from KH1 Coded is just a pretty meaningless spin-off, and really didn’t need to happen

[@Flambingo]

The general reaction to this sort of question really highlights a huge sense of elitism in the KH fandom, particularly from those who are super into the story and like to sing its praises. One fact that seems to be ignored is that Kingdom Hearts has a wide array of draws. People come to this series for a myriad of different reasons. Some only like the combat. Some just want to run around Disney Worlds. Some just want to admire Shimomura's work. But if you happen to not care about the story, or dare criticise it, you're a fake fan without any faith. Because apparently, no one is hungry for weak sauce. The vitriol you'd get from considering the wait a 12 year one stems from the idea that you view the handheld games as filler, unimportant, or bad. Or that you're "too lazy" to play them and aren't sophisticated enough to steer away from your numbered, Hollywood sequels for even a second. Hate it. Fucking loathe it.

[@Zephhi]

Spittin facts. The new fandom really sucks. It’s why I’m so distasteful when KH is brought up at all and I really hate the direction the series is taking

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

Also because you got jackwagons on launch claiming they were actually making the game for 12 years as an excuse to hate on the game. So there are people who take waiting 12 years as a jab against the game itself.

[@Flambingo]

@@TotallyCluelessGamer Yeah that's big dumb and people shouldn't do that

[@SinisterKeyblade]

I’m waiting for KH5

[@OniramKenobi]

I played KH1 shortly after it was released, loved it. Then I got Chain of Memories since I actually had a gameboy advance, then of course KH2 dropped and I devoured that game, too. I was pretty invested in the story but, after 2 I felt like the story had more or less wrapped up if you think about it. After KH2; -All of the Organization was dead (back then it wasnt revealed that they could come back at all) -The 3 friends were reunited and happy together after Riku and Sora escaped the twilight realm -Xemnas was dead -Roxas and Namine were content with their fate Really, there was no narrative thread for me to really wonder about. Mickey's letter at the end didn't really pique my curiosity and basically made me think there'd just be new adventures for the characters. But the overall story for me, was already over by the end of 2. Then BBS dropped I think, I don't have a psp so I just watched a walkthrough of two of the three routes and I wasn't very impressed with the story and didn't care for anything that game introduced since it was all so wooden and awkward. Then 358/2 dropped and I was interested again, was actually curious enough to get a DS specifically for that game but once again opted for a walkthrough, I liked the story of that game a lot better but Xion's inclusion completely baffled me since it made no real sense to me and seemed like Nomura just wanted a girl Sora in his story? Dunno, at that point I just saw that the story and franchise became bloated with needless plots and boring characters when 2 already had a sufficient enough ending that didn't leave too much open aside from the promise of more cool adventures. So, yeah. That's when I fell off of the KH train. I did keep up with the lore and watched videos explaining it to me but it was more a side thing than anything else, I did however promise myself i'd get a ps4 if KH3 happened to drop on it. And I did! I was very disappointed by the game and now KH is more or less dead to me. i'll forever love KH1, CoM and 2 but anything after that I can't bring myself to care about. Guess this means I have been semi-waiting since 2 for KH3 but still kept up with the story and lore? Dunno, this is a pretty weird topic to begin with.

[@bevvvy1374]

I'm in the same exact boat as you. Feels weird keeping up with something but not really caring about what happens with it.

[@Blade383210]

For me I wanted KH 3 right after KH 2 but also for me I only enjoy the gameplay of the game and I freely admit that. I do understand the story of KH but also I personally play games for the soul purpose of having fun unless the game puts heavy emphasis on the story and I find it interesting.

[@cantigo6548]

Love these kh talks

[@flashkick540]

My god a tokyo team kh4 would be a dream come true

[@redhanded3]

i never even got to play 2fm way back when i was like in middle school i think. i remember only what i saw in like 360p videos and amvs. i don't remember the process but i tried to get like a memory card for ps2 and a japanese copy that i could play. wasn't well versed in overseas shipping and things like that so it didn't happen. after the end of kh2 vanilla you just knew there had to be a 3 but there was no announcement of 3. i think i remember 3 being announced at the same time ff versus 13 was announeced which was like in magazine and they were coming to ps3. so 10+ years would be appropriate

[@OneRandomVictory]

I started waiting after seeing the Toy Story trailer since that’s when I decided to play through the KH franchise

[@NamelessNotes]

SINCE KH2 GODDAMN VANILLA GODDAMMIT. I don't care _when_ it was announced. After KH2 ended, there was an ENORMOUS amount of hype. There was no question whether KH3 would come out or not. How could there NOT be a triple AAA follow up to the amazing GAMEPLAY & STORY that was KH2??? So I've been WAITING for KH3 to come out even BEFORE it was announced. I'd dreamed what it would be before they even showed footage of it. I played _every_ game along the way too, that's how long the hype lived within me.

[@1983horizons1]

It's not that I was waiting for KH3 since KH2, I was just waiting for any KH console game. Lest we forget, many of us had to experience the handheld games by watching playthroughs until 2008, 2014, and 2017.

[@Revonlieke]

I was waiting since original KH2. Sure I played Birth By Sleep, but at the time the new characters didn't click with me. And Dream Drop Distance came to a console I didn't own. So I basically watched Let's Plays off of these games that I was unable to play, while I waited for KH3 and hope it came to a console I would own. And it did. I barely got to play FM2 even and that was through an emulator, but I never got to the FM2 parts :D. Now you could say that my wait for more KH wasn't as long as I say due to watchings the story-bits from youtube. But I personally feel like I waited for the experience of playing KH again and experiencing how Sora's story continues.

[@Hyskaris]

i think i waited since the 2013 trailer dropped, but im also someone who looked at the "spin-off" games and thought of those as true installments. a lot of people still look at 358 and BBS as side-games, despite having critical impact on the games that came after, kh3 included. i didn't think of myself as waiting for kh3 to come out after kh2 came out. i was waiting for the next kingdom hearts *game* to come out, and kh3 was eventually gonna be one of them.

[@keybladeterra]

I guess it depends on how people look for the next game. Some people waited for KH3 since KH2 but since BBS/Days/Coded/DDD/02 came between they were still waiting for KH3. For me, what I was waiting for was the next Kingdom Hearts game, my "KH3" in this case was DDD (since that is the first game that pushes the story further, Coded story was more of a tease and even if I love BBS's story, and it was important, it didn't continue from KH2). I get why they named KH3 "KH3" but to me its like KH11.

[@CloneLoli]

Another point to consider think about the wait time between KH1 and KH2 with the GBA game included: KH1: 2002 KHCM: 2004 KH2: 2005 (JP) and 2006 (ENG) Now consider the wait from KH2 to KH3 with handhelds included: KH2: 2005/2006 KH358/2: 2009 KHBBS: 2010 KHRecoded: 2010 (JP) and 2011 (ENG) KH3D: 2012 KH3: 2019 The wait between KH1 and KH2 was only about 3 years. The wait between KH2 and KH3 was legitimately 13 years. Development time? No but wait time? Yeah possibly.

[@armandosantiago9572]

I felt like I was waiting for KH3 since I finished KH2. When 3D was announced and it was revealed that the story would take after KH2, that's what I took as "official announcement" that KH3 was going to definitely be a thing someday

[@raulruiz891]

There is no wrong answer to the question, but I do feel that we were almost handheld through the process. S.E. said the next game would not be KH3, in fact the announced 3 more games (days, bbs and re:coded) so, we knew there was no kh3 yet. Once re:coded was out, we get the announcement for DDD, so we knew kh3 wasn't coming yet. We knew from the bbs secret ending about a BBS volume 2, so we knew about that as well. That means, no Kh3 yet. Once DDD is out, we were told the next game would be KH3, then we get an announcement trailer. Up until then, we were never in the dark about kh3. was there anticipation, yes but I knew not to wait, cuz we were being told constantly by the flow of games that there was no KH3 until there was. That's how I see it st least.

[@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan]

Wow a KH Talk I haven't seen yet sweet!

[@yoshihuo6911]

This is gonna be a bit of a lengthy comment but I sincerely hope you take the time to read and maybe respond. As a kid, my uncle was the one who introduced me to KH, starting with the first game. He was playing through KH2 at the time so I must’ve been around 7 or 8 years old so me being into Disney as a child I wanted to play it so badly. After playing through and completing KH1 I begged my uncle to let me borrow and play 2 because I was dying to see what happened next and when I played through it my parents sat down and watched me play thinking it would be just like the first. As soon as the game started I was completely lost as I’m sure most kids were at the time. I wasn’t at all invested in this Roxas character or any of his friendships or relationships at first until they started to grow on me as I’m sure that was the intent. When it got to Roxas’ final few days I still didn’t understand anything that was going on with sora and the gang or namine and the org 13, so I asked my uncle if he knew anything and he lended me his copy of CoM and told me to play that first. I really despised the game and was confused as to why they made a spin-off side game with important details in it until I actually played through it and realized that CoM was KH2 and actual KH2 was the third game. After playing through and finishing both CoM and 2 and giving the games back to my uncle, I remember my parents buying me my own copies of 1&2 so I replayed the games eagerly awaiting the next installment. One day I was watching Nickelodeon on TV and I saw heard sanctuary start playing from the TV. My eyes glued to the screen, it showed Roxas in the organization coat. My heart stopped and I couldn’t stop jumping and squealing as it showed the next installment would be 358 days on the Nintendo DS, which aside from my PS2 was my console of choice. All of the questions I had about Roxas at the beginning of two would be answered in this game. This was kingdom hearts 4 to me. I begged my parents to get it for me when it had released and of course they did and I put more hours into that game than any other game I’ve ever played aside from KH2 and Sly2 on my PS2. Once I finished it, I replayed 2 now that I better understood Roxas and I enjoyed it even more than I had before. From that point on, even as a child/pre-teen I understood all of the games were important. I never waited for KH3 because I already had KH3 and 4 and eventually 5 with BBS which I got via GameFly and never returned even after my account was canceled I loved it so much (it’s unfortunately my least favorite now but holds a special place in my heart) and KH6 with re:coded which I had to borrow from a friend because my parents wouldn’t get it for me at the time. I remember seeing the commercials for that one on TV as well. Same with dream drop, KH7. Seeing the commercials and saving up my allowance money to get it, finally buying it on release and playing through it with my cousin who also purchased it. After that though, I stopped keeping tabs on the series as much aside from all of the KH3 news and trailers. I was excited, more so than the other games before it but I didn’t feel like I cared as much if that makes sense? Eventually the HD collections came out and I played through all of the games for the millionth time until finally 2.8 came out. The first KH game I didn’t buy. I instead just watched a KZbin play through of 0.2 and didn’t care for the back cover movie. I didn’t care about the mobile game (which was JP and pc only at the time I believe). I just wanted KH3. I waited for so long until it finally released and I got it for my birthday. I remember crying while holding the case in my hands and my dad calling me a big cry baby me being an adult crying over a “kids game” I played through it twice, once with my girlfriend (at that time) and once with my little sister. I enjoyed every second of it (aside from arendelle) and thought it was amazing. Seeing all of the hate for it and people complaining about the story, I was one of the many overly defensive white knights of the series and it’s lore now having grown up with it and lived through all of the adventures. I eventually grew to realize that the people calling the other games after KH2 “side games” and “spin offs” with story in them, had never played them and actually thought that KH3 was the official 3rd installment when it was really the 9th (or 10th if you count chi/back cover). TLDR: we didn’t wait for KH3, we waited for KH9 (or 10) and nobody seems to point that out. The people that argue over the long wait for KH3 since 2 never understood what they were missing out on due to extremely poor marketing/misleading advertising, and the people who had played all of the games understood that there was never a true wait until after 2.8 had released because every game has been important to the overall narrative, like it or not. Sorry this was so long, I just really wanted to give my personal point of view on the subject matter. Thank you for reading and take care. Edit: That being said, yes Melody of Memory is KH 10 (or 11) imo because there is plot in it. A “side game”/“spin off” doesn’t have any story beats or important development imo. Perfect example being “Theatrythm Final Fantasy”

[@rikufang]

I would say that my wait for KH3 started after KH2 (didn't have access to FM until like 6 years later once I got into emulation) but my anticipation started after its announcement. Before the announcement, I was just passively hoping for the game to come out one day. Post annoucement, my excitement grew by the day and jumped exponentially with every scrap of news we'd get lol

[@sword_of_dusk]

My personal wait time was after the first trailer reveal. After KH2, I began waiting for the next KH game, whatever that was going to be. The existence of CoM made me realize that the series wasn't necessarily going to jump right from main game to main game, so I was prepared for anything.

[@ZRatchet2]

Loved this vid. It's also so much more interesting to listen to the wide variety of answers than to enforce a "correct" answer! This wait really was experienced differently by everyone, moreso than 99% of other games I can think of. Why would you not want to have a nice conversation about it? I remember seeing the poll and thinking "Hmm... I'd say 2FM from the options here, but my real answer would be after BBS or DDD." I decided on the former. BBS was the game I was hyped for after 2FM (in part because of the hype secret ending, and in part because the reveal trailer made me go "Oh HELL yeah I am down for a Keyblade masters prequel"). All the games that came out after/around it were just bonuses. After BBS, I just wanted to be back with the gang again: Sora, Donald, and Goofy.

[@brianheroic9543]

I didn't beat the game until around 2012-ish, because I was a young child who was bad at fighting Xaldin and wanted as much completion as possible before the final fight, so I waited from around that time because of the ending, but the side games did make the wait less harrowing EDIT: I never played 2FM until it came out in the HD remixes, just for clarity's sake

[@Botankh2]

I remember watching the 2013 Demo and I was so FUCKING hype.

[@Watch-Yisus]

I would say I waited for 13 years for KH3, but I enjoyed the other KH games anyway. KH1, 2 and 3 are the only games that come out in the main consoles (not hanhelds) and star Sora, Donald and Goofy going through Disney Worlds both old and new with an interesting, good and fun combat system. Yes, I enjoyed Days, ReCoded and DDD, but none of them are "like 1, 2 and 3", all of them disapointed me in one way or another, even if I overall enjoyed them. (I played BBS much later, when 2.5 came out for PS3) Even then, the wait for KH3 felt long, 2012 (DDD) fo 2019, but, as a person who loved KH3 even before ReMind, it was worth it. The only thing I'm mad about is the absolute overdose of trailers that came out in those last two years that basically told you almost EVERYTHING about 3.

[@Watch-Yisus]

Oh, I'd also point out that I love when you want to discuss something with someone and their responses are something like "No" and "K", so funny to see, so irritating when it happens to me.

[@Douce1337]

KH1's secret video was showing what would become KH2, but KH2's trailer showed what would become BBS. Except everyone was expecting it to be KH3. Everyone who played KH2FM or even the original KH2 was waiting for KH3 by the end of the game.

[@SilentFlyX]

Man, I just watched 3 of your new vids. All of them made my day for now, just great. All this KH content that is smart, funny and just real talk.

[@OmegaJX]

2:50 There i am Gary! There i am!

[@shionvii]

I played through KH1 and all the games until BBS when I was little. About 10 years later I picked up 358/2 days again and got hooked on the story so much I made researches and discovered Coded, 3D, 0.2 and Unchained. Then I heard that KH3 was coming out and my hype started there.

[@nintonintendo1]

I actually really loved KH3, and didnt understand why so Many people were disappointed. Then I realized that I started playing the whole KH series barely months before KH3 instead of YEARS for everyone else.

[@PervertedNovaxc3]

I'd say I fall into that after 2FM group(Though I was waiting since the original release of KH2). I played nearly all the side games, but I still was always wondering when 3 would finally come out, even while playing those side games.

[@ZZAFRETZZ]

The good thing is that Osaka team are improving significantly. I think they did a pretty good job with kh3, especially with remind. I mean love kh3's combat as much as kh2. So I'm super excited for what they're going to do in kh4 or whatever the next big kh game is. I think we're in for a treat.

[@FatheredPuma81]

Hilariously I only just got around to beating KH1 for the first time ever last month. Will probably beat KH2 again sometime within the next 6 months whenever my urge to play KH comes back. Hopefully by the time I'm finished with the PS3 games the PS4/Xbone emulator(s) will be in a state so I can play KH3 in 4k60+.

[@Webshooters1]

For me it was since 2FM. That game is what kickstarted my full dive into the series.

[@jonahhex18]

After kingdom hearts 2, I already knew kh3 was going to happen. That's how long I was waiting. I played the other games, I enjoyed them, I paid attention to the story. But I was waiting for kh3. It doesn't matter when it was announced or when it started development, I 'knew' kh3 was going to be a console game with Sora, Donald and Goofy, and anything else wasn't gonna be the kh3 that I was expecting. And in the end I got kh3 as I was expecting, 12 years later. That's how long I waited.

[@asthmeresivolisk3129]

I never waited for KH3. Because I knew it would exist, and i'd ignore KH until it did. Wasn't even a present thought in my mind. Forgot it even existed. You can't wait for a game under such circumstances, which is great for me because it's a lot less agonizing.

[@LucasSantana-ws8po]

I love those videos. One thing that have been bothering me so much is how some people trash EVERYTHING that isn't KH4.

[@raze2012_]

Big brain question: how long have people been waiting for KH4? After KH3? After Re:mind? If we get some "medium budget" (for Square) ARPG spinoff in a few years would that count? But I think that's what implicitly starts all these arguments. if you say you waited for X years when Y games came out between that time, it's implcitily saying that that game "didn't count", "wasn't good enough", or a vairty of other things that dismiss that existence. So it devolves into "so you don't like Y game?". And we all know how those arguments end. BB puts it best in the beginning of the video.

[@LucasSantana-ws8po]

@@raze2012_ I don't know, but we can see that everytime Square posts something about X or MoM a lot of people dismiss those games, complain about neither of them being KH4 and backlash a lot

[@kupotenshi]

I played all the games and I feel like I waited 12 years for KH3. People are so uptight and salty for no reason, there's no correct answer

[@chocobox1571]

I never experienced a Kingdom Hearts game before. Even tho I had a PS2, I never heard of the series before. I'm getting Kingdoms hearts Melody of memory because I've heard how godlike the ost is in the series. I'll have to see what I do next.

[@aqua_mashu]

Yeah I’ve totally been waiting since the end of kh2 vanilla. I loved the games so much I continued to play the side games. However I feel like KH3 was my Phantom Menace. The further I get away from it the more I feel let down after all those years of waiting. Both gameplay wise and story wise it failed. What really bugs me is fans who then say you’re not a real fan if you didn’t love it. The kh3 I wanted as a kid still doesn’t exist.

[@jasonnguyen1072]

Your Phantom Menace? Were you not disappointed or pissed at BBS? Because that’s the real Phantom Menace right there.

[@aqua_mashu]

Jason Nguyen honestly my expectations were lower for bbs because I played it as a PSP game. So no not really. Its fine acting like it was some big betrayal in retrospect. But it was a simpler time and I enjoyed the plot for the most part. I believed at the time that it was just the side team. Surely KH3 will be developed by the ones who did kh2. How naive I was

[@soracool1234]

I'm on the 3-5 years soely cuz KH3 wouldn't be KH3 without the previous games. Just as Bloody said kh2fm ending was open ended, sure I wanted 3 but after the next games weren't 3, I just accepted that square wanted to build the story.

[@robbiesilverwolf]

When you order pizza the wait time is when you completed your order not when you feel the craving for pizza

[@theploddingparadox840]

I started waiting after kh2fm because of the secret ending tease then *stopped* waiting when bbs was announced, revealing what that tease actually was. From then on I just took each entry as it came.

[@HawkEyeTS]

I totally get that there are people who didn't own the handheld consoles, or hated the controls on them enough that they didn't want to complete the side games on them. That's absolutely reasonable. It's a bit ignorant for people who claim to be Kingdom Hearts fans to not know that those games were important after Birth By Sleep ended up being critically important, because you would assume fans would at least be keeping an ear on the conversation surrounding the franchise, but if you somehow missed that, I can still get it. But by the time the HD remakes came around, which are main console releases again with numbers, it should have become clear that SquareEnix considered at least some of these games important enough for the story and wanted to make sure everyone had played them, or at least watched a PowerPoint presentation in the case of things like 358/2 Days. And they put them out on BOTH the Playstation 3 and Playstation 4. If you were still waiting for "the next Kingdom Hearts" at that time, the HD collections were when you should have gotten back on the train and caught up. So now we get to the group I actually have a problem with. For some reason, right around when the Kingdom Hearts 2.8 collection was either on the verge of, or just had come out, all over internet forums and comment sections I would see these people STILL claiming that there had been no Kingdom Hearts since KH2. Which by that point, is straight up wrong from any metric you look at it. This is not ignorance in action, because dozens of people would point out that the story in the other games was important in the same comment sections and point to the collections, it's just stupidity or trolling. I would normally chalk it up to that and not get caught up in it, but unfortunately it feels like the Kingdom Hearts 3 design team DID get caught up in it to the detriment of the game. Despite putting out those HD collections on two separate main line consoles, there are so many times in the game where the characters all but turn to the screen and go "Let me tell you what happened in Chain of Memories, because we know you didn't play it", dragging the story, destroying pacing, and wasting resources to try to catch up people that clearly DON'T GIVE A CRAP AT ALL about the story. And lastly there's also the group I like to call the "summer blockbuster viewers" who decided that Kingdom Hearts 3 being the latest AAA release meant that they should not only follow it to get in on the next big thing, but heavily criticized it when SquareEnix's poorly done attempts at explaining half a dozen other games of story within the game didn't actually convey the story well enough for them to understand it. It really worries me about how much they actually think about catering to this group, because a whole bunch of the reviewers on major gaming sites fit into this category. And a few of them also fit into the category described above perpetuating the idea that there hadn't been a new mainline Kingdom Hearts game in 12 years. Between the two groups, I'm legitimately concerned that the franchise is going to continue to be pushed more toward the casual side, compromised in any area the SquareEnix marketing team think will entice sales to those not already interested. It's amazing to me how often publishers are willing to compromise franchises with long term fan bases to chase the unholy fruit of "the casual buyer" only to eat away at the foundations of what made the games great in the attempt.

[@bevvvy1374]

Implying KH is not already obscenely casual

[@HawkEyeTS]

@@bevvvy1374 See BB's previous talk on Accessibility vs. Complexity on why the previous games were better at having depth for hardcore players while while still being accessible to casual players who button spammed. KH3 significantly compromised that type of design in the base game, among with many, many other issues.

[@bevvvy1374]

@@HawkEyeTS I already did. It's just that there isn't many complexities with games after 2FM in the first place. It's not like the story was going to be good without the exposition anyway

[@ooogwaylegoway7560]

I started waiting for kh3 in 2017 because before a saw a trailer for it (which was in 2017) i was just focused on playing the other games and just having fun

[@BleachMeister]

I didn't reply to the Tweet because I just forgot and had no real way to word it. But honestly yeah it's fine if people waited for KH3 after 2FM. Honestly, that is what I thought as well until I dug deeper and realized the secret ending lined more with the teasers for Birth by Sleep and that was the actual next "big" game they were teasing. After BBS was out, I was positive the next game would be KH3 and Sora, Donald, Goofy, Riku, & Mickey (and possibly Kairi) would be fighting Xehanort to stop his plans and finish the job Ven, Terra, and Aqua couldn't entirely do the first time. Nothing made me think more stories would happen or they'd be trying to find a way to bring back those three until Re:Coded and DDD happened. Eventually though, I hit a mindset of stop thinking when it will come and just said "It will happen when they are ready for it" which is how I currently feel about KH4. Anticipation is fine, but it will also come when they are ready. I don't like attacking people's opinions, but if something did bug me it was the feeling of spreading misinformation around the net about certain things. Don't take it the wrong way, not saying it isn't reasonable for people to think KH3 was in-development for 13 years even if they only started development by the E3 2015 trailer. Sorry BB, kind of hard to figure out the right words... but I do remember looking back at the secret ending of 2FM and seeing recent comments of people still thinking it was KH3 despite BBS already being out. I don't know, again not saying they are wrong. Just a bit confused and why they don't do research maybe? Hopefully you or someone can help me find the right words here. @_@

[@zeosummers3984]

I think its more the japanese release for KH2FM. My wait was KH2. it left off like another adventure was gonna start. We never knew we would be in plot relevant side game hell.

[@RASENGAN1081]

For me i think I started anticipated it around.... actually BBS. Because BBS gave so much context and we finally saw who Xehanort actually was.

[@rusting_away767]

I guess I've been a Sly Cooper fan longer than KH fan, but I still played KH when I was in elementary school... also, I don't ever remember unlocking "The Gathering" in KH2 english on PS2 but only when I got the PS3 version, so I guess that's one reason I've been waiting for KH3 like maybe 6 years at max. I didn't even know "The Gathering" was on KH2 english until recently. lol

[@vadandrumist1670]

The problem is the wait for KH4. As you mentioned they've made plenty of handheld games that are frankly too plot relevant to be considered spinoffs. In KH3 it was like they were more interested in setting up future plot hooks than resolving the current ones, but because of what happened after KH2 we have absolutely no idea if even a single one of these plot hooks will be a central part of KH4. More likely they'll lead into a handheld game with a plot that will lead into another handheld game with a plot that might lead into KH4. This along with Square's recent gaming practices, and KH3's... divisive story could not be more enthusiasm draining in regards to the wait for KH4.

[@bevvvy1374]

After KH3 I'm just done with the series. No more waiting. The story is not anywhere near good enough to warrant the amount of effort to experience it and the gameplay has just been gimmicky and underwhelming since 2. This series is just a neverending loop of waiting for the next game to find out what the ending of the current one meant.

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

Any future spin offs won’t be as bad for the wait since nowadays the handheld market is basically dying. So, you won’t have to buy a single console just to play 1 game. More likely they will be released as just smaller price games (digital release game).

[@Yurikon3]

Handheld plots are mostly narratively bland and do not really offer much new perceptions if the main titles didn't evoke interests to know more about chars. KH, unlike most say, is not really a series' where investing too much time to know all plot points is worth it cause the plot never does anything substantically interesting with it. BBS might be only bigger one to look at but BBS trio wasn't that big cast of personalities that one loses much. I'm more interested in future titles which almost seem like spiritual reboot to actually do something interesting with the characters.

[@Zephhi]

Agreed. Depends, if you thought 3 was gonna come after 2, it counts. Personally, I didn’t really think of waiting for it because I was playing all the other KH games at the time. I was young and I didn’t get 2 at release. Probably 2 or 3 years after in 2008 or 2009 I believe. I still beat 2 before 358 which I did get in 2009 or 2010. I feel I’ve been waiting years for it though. I distanced myself from any news about KH (well, I was always distanced, I didn’t even hear about KH3’s reveal trailer until months later). I feel I have been waiting since the reveal. I never saw the secret ending until I watched it on KZbin first.

[@JeiCos]

See, there's a difference between "how long *I* waited" and "how long it took to come out". People get those mixed up and think that how long THEY waited, is the same thing as how long it took to come out. I did wait since 2 (I played 2FM in 2008, along with the Re:CoM import that came it 2FM+, and bought the English Re:CoM when it released, but didn't play it before 2FM). BUT the reason I said I waited since 2, is specifically the exact reason you said: because I assumed 3 was next. Therefore I wanted it back then, that started MY wait. I was totally fine with the other games coming out though, because they added to the story, which is why I play, so while I waited for 3 to start development, I got more story in between that time. How long you technically waited, is not the same as how long it was in development. The problem comes from the people that think "it took them 13 years to make 3", because, no..no they did not. But people use that as the REASON as to why they say they waited, and they completely ignore the handhelds. Those are the people those tweets are talking about by the way.

[@Stefanoabed05]

Don't be mad at me, i actually stopped waiting after 3D, i bought kh3 as a favor to my younger self

[@michelefadda96]

Then there's me. I waited the time to insert the disk after taking 2.8 out of the ps. I got into kh this year so i didn't have to wait

[@LeMelleKH2]

It's such a Kingdom HEarts thing to feel the need to correct OTHERS on how long they said theyve waited. If someone said they waited 20 years for Avengers Infinity War (the comic hit in the 90s), no one would go around and be like "YOU ONLY WAITED FOUR YEARS!!!"

[@raze2012_]

lol I'm sure some would. no one in the 90's would want a movie adaptation after some of the pre-Jurrasic park era CGI they tried back in the day. Even if it's the lower point of the franchise, Hulk 2008 is leagues ahead of Hulk 1988

[@LeMelleKH2]

@@raze2012_ That wasnt what I meant haha. I was just drawing a comparison between the wait from the adaptation to the film, versus the film announcement. But I totally agree with you haha

[@Yurikon3]

It is KHPSS (Kingdom Hearts Plot Stockholm Syndrome). People have gotten so big emotional addiction over the series but cannot accept that series's plot is actually so bland that they must look at every possible small detail in lore or hint of "foreshadowing" that they have become almost neurotic over small details.

[@mitchellferreira9858]

I'd say I never waited cause there was never a period of time where I was thirsting for more kh content since dmc5 was coming out relatively close to kh3 and that was what I was waiting for.

[@Oscar-bj9ut]

I was waiting after I beat kh2, which was probably around 2007 or 8. Back then I was a kid who didn't have internet access so naturally after being obsessed with the game for the following months I kind of just forgot about the series in general. So I stopped waiting at that time. Im not from a wealthy family so its not like going back and buying 1 was a possibility for me. Also when I did get on the internet years later I rediscovered kh on youtube. I saw the secret ending of 2fm and while I was starstruck my interest again faded given that there was no way I could play all the handheld games since I didn't have the consoles. I started waiting again after kh3d. My little bro had a 3ds when I was in late middle school and I used his ds to play it. I couldn't wait for kh3 at that point. Then came the kh3 trailer which hyped me the fuck up. So I waited on and off as my interest peaked and faded due to various reasons. I got a ps4 mainly to play kh3. While I'm highly critical of kh3 I think it's worth the wait, money, and time I spent on this series.

[@kylegarrett2429]

Most the side games were just cash in's to maintain hype for KH3 (or keep the IP relevant) without actually having to put the effort into making KH3. ChAnGe mY MiNd.

[@zestyion8791]

I'd say about 10 years cuz I got into kh around 2009

[@ZeroAoAnimations]

Oh this is new

[@robertwesley7332]

Wtf? You got some perks or something?

[@ZeroAoAnimations]

@@robertwesley7332 actually no, it was unlisted, but he added in his KHTalks playlist

[@N0mil]

Lmao I'm in @nomil_ in this video thx for featuring my comment BB

[@poopbuttowski]

I never actually waited for KH3 as I got into the series after it had already came out so maybe that has something to do with why I love KH3 while so many others were disappointed

[@sobersplash6172]

I think 3 isn’t nearly as bad if it’s your first KH game

[@XxTreBasedxX]

i was waiting for kh3 since after kh2, so about 13 years, but to be honest the realistic six year wait since the announcement was the best parts of being in the community