Talking Points: The Irish Derby, Tony Martin ban and looking ahead to a stacked Sussex Stakes!

[@davidwilkinson9876]

Been a racing fan for 50 years and never once listened to radio 4

[@stephenholmes1036]

No national hunt racing from, June 2nd to August 7th or 14th like we used too!

[@johnristheanswer]

*to

[@shiftylad9938]

Everyone over here in Ireland knows what Tony Martin is. I was told by good source he would literally go to box a jockey if he doesn’t do what he is told.

[@adamweldon6957]

No that's gorden elliot and luke McGuinness 😂

[@marioamato7102]

I would too that's your job as a jockey

[@A-small-amount-of-peas]

​@@marioamato7102that's no excuse 😂

[@neilmitchinson2680]

Seeing him celebrating was a joke he even gave jockey instructions and even his sister said she was just in the background in other words he was still taking training it's a disgrace

[@jonbon8598]

O'Brien the deciever strikes again, Grosvenor Square, used as a pacemaker, I was going to back it , but wished up, think long and hard before backing O'Brien second strings , why can't he be honest with punters, I guess it's his Jesuit background

[@stephenholmes1036]

Agreed totally farce

[@trevormeeks4084]

Who really cares

[@arthurmckeown1937]

Racing is a joke. Non triers get ignored. Tony Martin is a total crook and gets away with it.

[@paulbegley6404]

Tony martin and the IHRB are a disgrace. Doping horses multiple times over the years he's been. But authorities slap him on the wrist. Should be warned off! Along with others...

[@otterkarman8740]

Love Horse racing , like most respect and dignity , wellbeing for the horse most No1 safety matter. Horse deaths could destroy racing, it hurts me so much. Very emotional seeing these creatures, trying so hard to please and pushed so hard, destroyed for their endeavors. Heart breaking.

[@ronanlee2242]

Didnt Jamie Spencer tell the whole world on ITV Racing at ascot the year Gordon Elliot was meant to be suspended, that Gordon gave him the race instructions. And the perfect racing world who does no wrong pushed it under the carpet

[@classactsexpertiseandinspi4815]

End Summer Jump Racing.No justification for it apart from short term income at the price of horse welfare. Also whats wrong with having each horse do a trot up/ vets inspection before each race?? If its just at the big meetings thats HYPOCRISY/WINDOW DRESSING. Do it for every race meet and point to point. It happens for eventing and there is less money in that sport. Also every jump course should have non slip showjumping surface on the take off and landing side, and finally reduce or cancel jump race cards (& flat?) at 25 degrees or above in Ireland, UK and France under the tripartite agreement.

[@SpencerStaunton]

you will not see a venetia williams horse any way near there.Speaks volumes

[@stephenholmes1036]

Spot on,

[@Jazzfan-xu9nb]

it was the same with Elliot!

[@stephenholmes1036]

He shouldn't be allowed to own goldfish

[@kylehoulihan3875]

@@stephenholmes1036there’s much much worse than Elliot get your head out of the dirt

[@stephenholmes1036]

I never said their wasn't.

[@suemaher5282]

Huge racing fan but cant see the point of Jump racing on firm ground in Summer. Welfare must come 1st 4 deaths not exceptable.

[@Martin.Lewis.Racing.Channel]

Wokey

[@suemaher5282]

​@@Martin.Lewis.Racing.ChannelDon't panic Martin u will still see plenty of Mullins in winter

[@nightowl7459]

​@@suemaher5282That clueless clown doesn't care about the welfare of horses.

[@stephenholmes1036]

It never used to, it stopped on the weekend of 2nd June and statted again August 7th. Blame the horse racing authorities and stop AW racing from june to August too.

[@Martin.Lewis.Racing.Channel]

It’s 2024. Who is listening to radio 4!? Seriously. Ridiculous topic to cover.

[@spikec1803]

Shut up martin go an back some more crabs

[@nightowl7459]

@Martin.Lewis For a very rare occasion, I actually agree with you on this one.

[@Martin.Lewis.Racing.Channel]

@@nightowl7459 please break away from The Clown Club - the Captain has a long ban so I’m not sure it will survive…

[@nightowl7459]

@@Martin.Lewis.Racing.Channel And what clown club would that be exactly? I wouldn't be so confident about a long ban either, they are generally quite easy to overturn, (I have done on a few occasions) and they have now just started giving out 24 hour suspensions I had one a few weeks ago and you even get a countdown hours, minutes and seconds before you are allowed to post a comment again, all very silly really.

[@RobertLain-xn2wx]

Sorry to any owner.if trainer is found guilty surely now you've got to ban the horse from running

[@emerald9049]

why do they not run the irish derby and oaks on same weekend or day.

[@trevormeeks4084]

If you ban a trainer do you really think they wont still train the horses from behind the scenes of course they will if you ban the horses owners will just move yards

[@robertcurtis-c1h]

about the 4 horsies that died at newton abbot ,is it time to say we should not have national hunt ground with firm in description .these horses have lot of mileage you hope and with landing on ground with firm cannot be good for knees and feet or is it hoofs?

[@stephenholmes1036]

No , simply go back to the old system no National hunt racing from the weekend of the 2nd June to either 7th or 10th of August. Ive seen horses run on the hard at Devon and Newton Abbott. It suited some like Mighty Marine and Wareath. I am a member at Plumpton and Warwick after horse and hound cup at Stratford i have no interest

[@desedwards5396]

Yes, should implement 3 month break. The field sizes are poor, as is the prize money.

[@ianwhelan6983]

I've followed racing for 30 years but have now given up. Far too many issues with it now and the whole dishonesty of it all is just unbearable for me.

[@pauljohnson8285]

I know he hasn't reached the giddy heights that once seemed possible, but Nostrum can still be competitive in group 3 or possibly group 2 company over 7 furlongs or a mile. No need to see him get run off his legs over six furlongs.

[@frankbrennan1619]

The huge big whopping most recent deaths of four horses at little Newton Abbott in one, single, solitary, Race Meeting, is completely shameful & totally unnecessary too for the reasons that Nick Luck says ie ''quite low grade horses, plus quick ground, plus quite extreme heat, is asking for trouble'' & little Newton Abbott most sadly completely delivered in the Asking For Trouble Stakes with these four deaths & what makes it totally unacceptable & quite rightly, totally disastrous for the image of National Hunt Racing, is that it all could have been near completely avoided & what certainly should be happening right now that EVERYTHING is being done so there are NO repeats of such a huge number of horse deaths in summer National Hunt Racing ever again.

[@trevormeeks4084]

All trainers bend the rules to suit themselves IE to get handicaps down some of the trainers are expert at it .if that horse is allowed to run it doesn't really matter who trains it

[@BrianSimpson-i6o]

Everyone all the pundits and punters Los Angeles reversed the form like I said he would. 👌💪

[@Andy_ATB]

It wouldn't happen in most other sports; Racing is a laughing stock.

[@trevormeeks4084]

If these summer horses can't run they will only be turned into dog meat owners won't pay to keep them in their boxes at the end of the day they are just tools of a trade some will get hurt some won't just accept it

[@paulconey252]

He's irish and yous don't like him full stop.And it also shows how much yous have to talk about, is a radio station not putting out tips anymore.😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@manx1569]

I agree that Hidden Law would have won the Derby

[@200degrees.]

Never give the bookies a penny of your hard earned cash , best tip I ever got !!!

[@leesaines]

It’s just another turn of the screw in the industry’s coffin….another aggravation that keeps you turning away…..

[@robjohnson2976]

Radio 4 Today tips were awful just as bad as Nick Lucks for William Hill

[@stephendevine4348]

I would take more notice of a tip from me granny or radio 4 than i would do from the media and journalist sitting on the couch presenting this programme that are all sponsored by bookmakers

[@andymoores2090]

Were ever money is fiddling goes with it and racing does it self no favours. Take huge priced horses going in and nothing is said.

[@Kevjohno]

360p btw racing is really skint then,,

[@michaeljohnson5365]

Newton Abbot as always been a graveyeard for horses just like Aintree and Cheltenham

[@michaelmarsh-bl9mg]

Has

[@michaelmulhall5007]

? What you on about

[@johnristheanswer]

Fences are easy there.

[@sionrouge1697]

European racing is too dependent on 2 owners coolmore and godolphin. Thank god that would never happen here in the U.S.

[@robertdelacy3434]

USA racing is too dependent on drugs

[@sionrouge1697]

@@robertdelacy3434 the same drugs Europeans get on when they come here

[@nightowl7459]

Sionrouge No it's not, there's plenty of big organisations, like Shadwell and Judamonte, we all have a lot of emerging owners like Amo Racing, Sheikh Mohammed Obaid Al Maktoum and Walthan Racing, plus plenty of small individuals owners who usually have decent horse, not much different to American racing really.

[@sionrouge1697]

@@nightowl7459 we don't depend on 1 owner to fill a G1 race. That's race fixing

[@nightowl7459]

@@sionrouge1697 How is it race fixing? I've seen a number of American races both on dirt and turf and you get small fields, we don't rely on one owner either, actually it's the Irish Derby today and Godolphin don't have a runner, but Coolmore have four and they don't have the favourite, it's a independent owner and Breeder who does.

[@trevormeeks4084]

Why the fuss over tony Martin most punters have never heard of him. racing shoots itself in the foot by advertising these things ang giving themselves bad publicity

[@eugenekeher978]

Does Tony Martin have the right to reply .

[@bilkomax]

Luck not even at the curragh . Irish Derby plummeting

[@kieran3389]

That maddy one is some clown

[@robertsimpson4913]

Yes but with 3, yes 3 pacemakers. Ridiculous.

[@BrianSimpson-i6o]

Stop summer jump racing the ground is far to firm or have all weather summer racing. What concerns me is the amount of runners in races. Take Windsor the other day 7 races 50 horses running it's not good enough something needs to change.

[@emerald9049]

losing summer jumping would be terrible summer jumping is special even if its low grade.

[@aidankelly840]

They all forgot to mention They backed the winner Typical generation silver spoon staff British are just jealous of the Irish Tony Martin Just putting the cat upon The pigeon s Lol

[@allanfarran364]

Horse racing is bent

[@michaeljohnson5365]

eat the food

[@off__world8668]

horse racing stinks to high heaven 💯 corrupt .

[@gerryclarke7702]

horses can get jared on jumps racing must be watered as in show jumping