Talking to a Pro Choice Protester w/ Deacon Harold Burke-Sivers

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Deacon Harold recounts an interaction he had with a Pro-Choice protester.
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[@michaeljones1605]

Please get this guy back on the podcast again in the future. Do whatever you have to! Lots of respect for Deacon Harold Burke-Sivers

[@ainako1010]

Amen. No point of winning an argument if you lose a soul.

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

I'm glad I heard that. I'll try to keep that in mind from now on.

[@jdias6939]

Testify to the Truth, every soul has a free will especially with an average intellectual. It's important to witness to Christ so that He does not deny you, people may think you are arguing but you are called to witness. One however needs to know when to stop.

[@gerardk51]

Fulton Sheen?

[@thomaspatt3048]

Always try to plant a seed, no person is lost until death. We are all called to evangelis.

[@lyndavonkanel8603]

@@thomaspatt3048 Yes!

[@sandstorm7768]

That is so sweet, she actually took the card... I actually teared up here. Such an open and vulnerable exchange in a potentially scary situation. It is perfectly possible to be gentle with others while also having conviction and speaking the truth. That is the Christian calling! That Fulton Sheen quote about winning the arguement but losing their soul is too good. Let go of your pride and meet them on their level! How will they possibly be convinced if they can't relate to you or anything you're saying? Harold is an amazing steward and evangelist! May God bless him and I'll be praying for that girl and her friends! I hope she actually used that card and looked into Christianity and that the Spirit works in her!

[@batman5224]

I sincerely believe the future is pro-life. I’m not even Catholic, but I will applaud Catholics for being at the forefront of this issue. Several decades from now, I hope people will shudder with horror when they look back on the fifty years of unrestricted abortion in this country. I hope that even the most ardent abortion supporters will get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness. It might sound like a dream, but without dreamers, justice would be a meaningless word.

[@kevinkelly2162]

So when will there be justice for the victims of the Catholic Church? When will we see priests on their knees begging for forgiveness or better still, inside a jail cell where they belong?

[@jaded5308]

🙏🙏🙏

[@unnamed4063]

@@kevinkelly2162 we already have seen that for many priests. for other priests there is no point because they are in their 80s.

[@kevinkelly2162]

@@unnamed4063 There needs to be a full investigation and the perps and enablers should all go to jail. And the law says nothing about being too old to prosecute.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

@@kevinkelly2162 for sure. Justice should certainly be done. And I am thankful that the church is taking more precautions than any other institution to make sure that this never happens again. It's the very least we could do. Especially considering we may have turned away people like yourself who have a sense of Justice.

[@dsg8779]

Gotta love Deacon Harold! Holy Spirit in motion!

[@krjohnson29]

As a pro-life, vegan, catholic, living in the Portland Oregon metro, in a contraception-free marriage... this ticked a lot of boxes for me! 🤣 Great job Deacon Harold. 👍

[@queent3343]

How many kids do you have?

[@krjohnson29]

@@queent3343 We have been married 6 years and haven't been able to conceive yet (please pray for us) but we are foster parents and have had three fosters so far. How about you?

[@ivanvidojevic2461]

@@krjohnson29 quit veganism and try again

[@krjohnson29]

@@ivanvidojevic2461 No thanks 🙂

[@ivanvidojevic2461]

@@krjohnson29 i've red some article wich conects infertility with veganism...and if you do quit bieng vegan God willing you will have to recover your body for couple of years since it was depleted of nutrients

[@bensieve9309]

Love the shout out to Pope Paul VI Institute! My wife and I through the grace of God discovered it and are currently getting treatment. More people need to learn about them! Pray for us in our journey to have a family.

[@JPGoertz]

Fantastic! Such great practical and tactical advice! Thank you and God bless you both!

[@gedat5538]

Great interview. God bless you both!

[@TerrySilverhand]

It's not about winning arguments... Brilliant.

[@mylovglord]

Thank you Deacon Harold , your approach is what true compassion is all about , it is devoid of ego and truly desires only to reach out on truth and awaken and open the intellect of those who are lost and confused . God continue to bless you and your work .

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

A few weeks ago we had a huge protest in favour of abortion. It was a hot, busy, angry day. I usually take a short break that I simply was not going to get that day. I went out to the knot of protestors in front of the courthouse. Went about as well as you would expect, and I almost left... until a lady named Sarah and a gay philosophy professor, Cody, pulled me aside. We talked to understand each other more. For half an hour. While the other protestors did their thing. I thank God for their kindness and respect and I ask you to pray for Cody and Sarah. And all of them who protested.

[@bernie.fitzpatrick7948]

Wow...wow....wow..thank u Deacon, a total evangelist in the making! Here watching from New Zealand 🇳🇿👍🙏📿🇳🇿❤️

[@joshualee3463]

I liked the picture you put up on your video cover from TFP student action. I know those people extremely well because I went to a boarding school they run called Saint Louis de Montfort Academy. I was also there when that photo was taken. That day was insane but awesome because we were fighting for Our Lady and we had the angels on our side. You should interview one of them. I am telling you you would not regret it in the least. They all are very amazing people. God bless.

[@sereijamesharomairi3852]

Very much appreciated the message.God bless you both.All the way from Papua New Guinea.

[@alexfox4647]

Thank you for your ministry Deacon Harold!

[@tanyawersinger2693]

I love deacon, he’s so blessed, and gets it! Thank you for sharing!

[@scrapdog2113]

That picture in the thumbnail is from one of TPF StudentAction’s videos! They’re a pretty cool channel

[@yadiraleyvarodriguez9326]

Wow this was awesome !!!

[@burkeiowa]

This is a better story to demonstrate "planting a seed" than most that I hear. I've heard people tell me of situations they were in, and the other person remained angry, and it was the other person who ended the discussion. If a card had been handed to them, they would have thrown it away. And people in that situation so often think they at least planted a seed. But it's more like the seed on rocky ground, or no seed at all. With good approaches to dialogue, we get more situations like the one in this video, where the person tones down the emotional response, is accepting of at least some form of information. That's a planted seed. They might act on it that same day. But even if they don't, they really took in what was said. They might keep that card for a year or two before using it, but odds are high that they will eventually look into it. I wish more people would really plant seeds, rather than merely call every discussion that ends horribly a situation where, "at least I planted a seed". If their defenses remained up the whole time, the seed probably never made it into the ground. It's a point I've made to a few fellow pro-lifers as I really want them to understand the difference between getting someone angry and planting a seed. They are not even close to the same thing.

[@pdxnikki1]

This is what we do every weekend in Portland. Please pray for us & cover us out here. 🙏

[@tinabarr4041]

Thank you for your ministry. GOD Bless you.

[@bluewhistleschannel6058]

This man! This man. Love you brother.

[@joannehecht3974]

Thank you Decon Harald! God bless you forr all you do!❤

[@dandonohill]

That was profound,,God bless you Deacon Harold from Ireland and your global Catholic family.

[@fioh724]

Thanks!

[@mnih6072]

😍 great great chat

[@MegsLeaB]

This is amazing

[@nate4545]

I would love to have a link to that study he’s telling about with the fish and estrogen

[@krjohnson29]

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[@joeyjojojuniorshabadoo8549]

So inspired by this.

[@jameskearney4100]

Very good!!!

[@blakesanders4085]

What a great story. Well done Deacon Harold

[@CassaundraBabe]

Oh my goodness, how have I missed this man my whole Catholic pro-life career?!?!? How do I find this deacon?

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

I used that same method when I was a leadership facilitator. I would get stubborn, self-righteous students who had adopted a hardened position and I would walk them through their own thought process until we arrived at a point where their logic either fell apart or ended up supporting the point I was making. I used to refer to it as the Jedi-mind-trick, getting people to reach a conclusion you want them to reach but in a way that makes it seem like it was their idea. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but every now and again I would have somebody take me off-line and admit they had never thought of it that way. I'm not skilled enough in apologetics to try it with scripture but the point the Deacon makes is universal. People will are more apt to buy into something if they think they arrived there on their own. I do plant little seeds with my friends who lack faith but mostly I try to be the light Christ talked about. I let Him do the heavy lifting because I'm not worthy. Great discussion.

[@PopeLeoXIIIFanAccount]

What a beast, nice job Deacon!

[@RachelHS825]

Amazing!

[@tom1catt]

Excellent!

[@americangirl4198]

Out-standing!

[@SKIFFMAN1231]

That was brilliant

[@EmbraceTradition316]

Thank you Deacon!

[@jon6car]

Thank God for men like Deacon Harold.

[@MarciesWhimsySoaps]

Awesomeness!💜

[@orangetux]

Great case study on how to evangelize in the real world.

[@PatMcAnn]

A beautiful way to approach the close-minded and intolerant who think they're the most open-minded and accepting of all viewpoints.

[@JimCvit]

Another reason I love Deacon Harold!

[@monicabermea7652]

Deacon Harold, so glad you're on our side. Love u

[@828lino]

God Is Good!!! Great Job Deacon Harold

[@ceilsloan9735]

Great!

[@cecimeci4839]

Through prayer we have many solutions🙏

[@davelipsiea1553]

Gotta love Deacon Harold!

[@nicholeblume2191]

God bless and keep you

[@TheCrusaderKing]

Around here we call those "Dirty Hippies"

[@donmcbath52]

Great job Deacon Harold.

[@carolynschuster291]

This is how you love others!!!

[@roseg1333]

Yes we must first try to defuse the outrage and emotion. Once you do that the person is most likely to at least hear your words.

[@orangeandslinky]

I'm not Catholic but this guy I really like.

[@ggravett]

Good man.

[@dallaskinard3143]

This guy nails it.

[@margaretrobertson967]

Good man

[@Tabatista281178]

Wise

[@anthonywohlleb3472]

I love this deacon!

[@diplomaticexorcist6130]

No non-sense Sivers. Heroic Paladin and Knight. He is a Saint.

[@laurachimetto82]

I wish I could be so good in debating with pro choice!

[@mayjunealone5168]

❤️🙏

[@JakeSweeper]

Right to choose.... It's not much of a choice if the same choice is almost constantly being made.

[@chrishorton8213]

WOW. 🤯

[@andrewdoraiswamy2199]

Nice.

[@tomshaw661]

that's my boy!

[@unbornhumanrights]

We have to meet people where they're at for sure. I find the vegan topic is a good in for a conversation about abortion life issues with them. I believe it is good to eat a plant based diet and of course we should take care of our environment but pro choice vegan is a contradiction 💯

[@sidwhiting665]

I applaud the approach! To think she's going to change her mind based on a business card, 99.9% of which are accepted and never looked at again, mmmm... we can hope! We plant seeds of the Gospel: God alone makes them grow!

[@deanlowdon8381]

Didn’t God drown thousands of babies when he flooded the Earth?

[@katiemccormick1243]

Pro abortion is not pro choice. Don’t give them that concession by using their euphemisms.

[@annagriffith6287]

💕💕💕💕💕💕

[@faustina6708]

Personally I don't think it's a good look when we conservatives belittle people based on their appearance.

[@Beanbag777]

Pro abortion not pro choice

[@christophersnedeker2065]

Why is it not pro choice?

[@Beanbag777]

@@christophersnedeker2065 The Phrase Pro Choice creates the modernist illusion that we are free to choose and that is good, however, our freedoms cannot encroch on another's particularly when that means taking the life of another ( who is given no choice )

[@dwightschrute900]

YOU WHAT

[@timfinneran5047]

Great story…. It’s so tragic that so many people are so passionate about hating Catholics and Christians and supporting baby killing

[@chriszablocki2460]

Abortion clinics are likely never going to shut down. I think the best approach is to put women in a position and worldview to CHOOSE life instead.

[@julienewman1344]

Don't use the name Lord name copying what theysay

[@williamburych2136]

People forget that our bodies DON'T belong to US !! They belong to GOD, our Creator ("I formed - created - you in the womb. Before you were born, I dedicated you ..." -- Jer 1: 5).

[@Davidjune1970]

You actually need a person to listen before you can talk to them. All they do is chant cliche slogans and scream.

[@robertgillis6245]

There is no such thing as “ Pro Choice.” These people do not want to say they are “ Pro Death.” These people are pro death and do not want to admit it. A lot of women make mistakes and repent of their sin, but these women who are adamant about abortion who will never change their mind , but bragging about their own children are hypocrites. I can not help sometimes wishing these people promoting and protecting intrinsic evil, and vile policies too bad they were not aborted. A lot of children would have been saved and born.

[@lucidlythinking857]

Besides “pro-life” was stolen from people trying to stop the death penalty.

[@lucidlythinking857]

?

[@jarrod2276]

So you got a pro-abortionist to go off the pill?

[@tomdell9836]

According to Gensis 2:7 life does not begin at conception. "Then the Lord God formed a manfrom the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." We can infer from this verse that life does not begin until a human takes their first breath, something that does not take place until after birth.

[@lucidlythinking857]

Is the argument that guys should always wear a condom during sex? Because that’s it.

[@WorkingFromHomeToday452]

Geez, imagine telling someone they don’t have the right to alleviate an extremely risky and expensive health condition that you personally could never experience, and them being mad at you 🤷🏽.

[@stevenharder308]

Imagine trying to shelter yourself from reality under a heap of regurgitated word salad.

[@WorkingFromHomeToday452]

@@stevenharder308 bro wtf are you talking about? Do you know what word salad even means? Explain how pregnancy is harmless, painless, cheap, convenient, and something you can experience, and then I'll admit to word salad.

[@stevenharder308]

@@WorkingFromHomeToday452 why introduce all those new terms? If you can’t back up the notion that “extremely risky” and “heath condition” accurately describe pregnancy (which you can’t) then the terms are misleading. The next question is, who is supposed to be misled? You, or the people you’re speaking to? I doubt you’re just a political hack, so I’d guess you value and consume those terms as an intellectual sugar-coating. After all, facing the fact of the matter would obligate you to reconsider the popular position that you hold, which involves the risk of arriving at an unpopular one. Unless you’re genuinely ignorant, it’s up to you whether to double down on self-deception by rationalizing your original statement, or to learn something about yourself and your current political allies. Since people tend to care much more about comfort than reality, I assume you’ll double down.

[@WorkingFromHomeToday452]

@@stevenharder308 ok so what you're doing here is word salad. I asserted that pregnancy is a risky health condition. So if you get a paper, that would be a minor health condition, whereas pregnancy is the other end of the spectrum. A mother could die without advanced medical intervention. With or without medical intervention, there will be bodily damage. I can't believe you actually needed me to qualify my description. So dumb. I then used "new terms" to have you defend the opposite of a serious health condition, to which you responded with one of the dumbest rants ever. Do better.

[@barneyleseven2854]

Ya, this sounds like something that really actually happened. Pretty sure god hates liars.

[@jazamaraz8029]

I see it differently. God loves the liar, but hates the lies he tells and the selfish disposition behind the lie. In fact, God love everybody. It's the evil we do that he hates.

[@barneyleseven2854]

@@mike-cc3dd in my own humble experience, overly religious individuals tend to be degenerate. If you believe that story about the green haired white feminist with dreadlocks, who never washes her pits. Well lets just say i am not overly shocked that your Christian.

[@lucidlythinking857]

The bible is more pro choice than you guys are. Why are you against the bible?