Oxford University Students On Kathleen Stock and The Transgender Debate

[@gooeyrhubarb1593]

Kathleen is not controversial. Child protection should not be controversial.

[@elijahdieker1209]

Matthew 19:12 confirms transgender is real and that God PREFERS same sex marriage.

[@billkosses3808]

@@elijahdieker1209 lol. Sell it to the Christians

[@Padraigp]

Well it has caused counter speak...contra opposing verse speak...so yes she is controvsial not only because she speaks counter to but because ahe sparks controversy.

[@elijahdieker1209]

@@billkosses3808 the gospel is not to be sold. Anyone that continues to say that same sex marriage is a sin when it is not will die and the world governments know this. If you don't accept the fact God is real, then at some point you will die too.

[@billkosses3808]

@@Padraigp Ooh, clever clever. More care with typing needed though. C-

[@neildraycott5272]

She is not controversial she is right.

[@yeovil50]

Until yesterday I had no idea who Kathleen Stock was, what she stood for and what she spoke about. Thanks to the people who decided to try and cancel her, thus made her famous, I've now researched her and spent about four hours reading her views and and viewing her speeches, debates etc. So thanks cancel culturist, you have made me research the subject more and I agree with Ms. Stock.

[@hemantpahuja4114]

Popularity has nothing to do with being right. Science is unequivocal "Transgenderism is not a mental illness, but a natural diversity in human beings". No amount of opinions can change Science. 8 billion people supporting her views will not change science. The only way to change science is better science published in well reputed peer reviewed scientific journal. Scientific facts ultimately take over the wrong majority opinion who can't comprehend complicated issues when they r not connected to their life. After 1000 years, opposing tans rights would be as ridiculous as people opposing right of left-handed people. It's just that the majority is unable to come to terms with current science. If u don't like current science, prove it otherwise by better science. Otherwise, slowly, science will take over irrespective of 8 billion people views and freedom of expression. You have the right to freedom of expression, but not the right to have your expression used not being condemned for anti-scientific and anti-humanitarian. Rather than cancel culture, better thing is to actually invite these people and show them how unscientific their opinions r. In the long run like 1000 years, I'm sure that Science will eliminate these views significantly, but let them have a say.

[@souxcasa]

I looked into her when she was driven from her university post for writing "material girl". That was my peak moment. I couldn't understand how such a reasonable and balanced person could be treated so cruelly by people who had obviously hadn't read her work

[@paulscott2502]

The first student was a breath of fresh of air - open minded, balanced and articulate.

[@JonathanGoslan]

My god, there are still students who can articulate their ideas? Wow, faith is restored…

[@tdsdave]

I still see a chilling effect on how they articulated themselves, like the lad who said he needed to know more before he could formulate an opinion . I sincerely think he had an opinion but would not articulate it. In general lots of ~"yes such is needed to develop reasonable conclusions, but no conclusion I will share"

[@oldskoolrools1353]

and he doesn't have blue hair.....there is hope....

Don't relax too much. There are only a very few of them. We can say they are a species on their way to extinction.

[@nickjames439]

The first speaker was balanced and respectful of both sides - in an age where hyperbole is strife, and you almost must have a definitive opinion on all subjects, it’s rather refreshing to hear someone speak so much sense. Bravo Sir!

[@scswp6945]

Agreed! Well done to him! He restores one’s faith in the ‘young’ and we need more coverage of people like him.

[@tdsdave]

I disagree, whilst I liked the lads demeanor , I do think his reservations on articulating any conclusion due to his self professed ignorance on the oppositions position was simple a result of the chilling effect they impose on him/us. Not one of those who attended the talk shown here , offered anything they thought was persuasive or not from the presentation they'd just witnessed. They could still caveat any such thought with "I need to know more" , but they know just repeating a point they found interesting will have them smeared in the same way as the speaker. Meanwhile the opposition movement speaker at the end articulated her conclusions with impunity.

[@emilyZA460]

@@tdsdaveI think you’re judging him a bit harshly for not wanting to make himself a target for the onslaught which would certainly ensue should he happen to express anything that could be construed as tacit agreement with the arguments made by Kathleen. I think to do so would be unnecessarily troublesome for him when very little could be gained from doing so at great personal cost.

[@roberttreborable]

With the TRANS WOKE lobby making so much noise about cancelling debate, it refreshing to hear there are still young people at our Universities prepared to Listen to both side of a debate.

[@LauraKamienski]

Because they have no arguments. Their only recourse is to try to silence women and intimidate those who speak out in favor of women's rights

[@joannesmith7744]

No woman has harmed a man in a dress. Can’t say the same for them men. Women will not give up all boundaries to a group that doesn’t even call out their worst members.

[@exdetransitioner]

I've been plenty of cisgender women using violence against transgender women. You're already wrong.

[@irongalaxy3720]

Kathleen Stock harms trans people by helping to stoke hatred. The right have co-opted it, to distract from the horrible things they get up to.

[@SandraEaston-Lawrence]

Why didn't you ask the last interviewee for specifics on the hate crimes and attacks she claims the 'trans community' is so prone to? We have hard evidence of sex and violent attacks committed by men on women, and yet their fight boils down to allowing men even more access to potential victims. 60% of the men in prison who say they're women are serving time for sex crimes, for instance.

[@katedenisow-qb8vc]

That last interviewee is well paid for parroting slogans - it pays well to dye your hair purple and give speech like imbecile

[@BarnabyWild13]

Where did you get your statistic then?

[@souxcasa]

There's an app now where you can report hate crimes, the describe these hate crimes as abusive language, which imo is pretty subjective

[@gucciadjective7745]

The first lad was an example of what university students used to be like before this. Hes highly intelligent and ppen to dialogue

[@Bobmudu35UK]

When misgendering someone is classed as a hate crime,we are cattled!

[@honeybunch6473]

3 mistakes, 3 warnings and you're out of this company. What tge HELL!!??

[@jrbs]

Kathleen Stock bases her argument on actual fact, not opinion.

[@Slumbert]

Autogynephilia can be an issue

[@danielshagman]

"......a community that's very much marginalised" When you've got major retailers, companies and governments supporting your nonsense, you're not being marginalised.

[@ALBUMOF2008]

Literally they’re the most coddled and worshipped group in society. They claim trans genocide when last year more trans people murdered people than were victims of murder themselves. Absolute lunacy.

[@boscinet]

Biological fact is not an opinion

[@billkosses3808]

You're obviously not aware of the NEW BIOLOGY. This is the argument the hipster ageists are making.

[@Padraigp]

The arguement of biology isnt a great one tbh ... biology is very complicated and not something binary in this instance. We also dont generally box people by their biology in other scenarios like being biologically black or biologically disabled ...so its not a good direction to go to counter the concepts here.

[@andrew3347]

@@Padraigp what are the other sexes apart from male and female?

[@euanmacleod3738]

@@Padraigp What are you talking about? Sex is binary, with the only very mild exceptions being cases where something has demonstrably gone wrong with development. We also do not define being black or disabled as a matter of personal choice, or innate abstract construct. We define them as thing that correspond to verifiable reality. There is nothing complicated about biology manifesting sex, and sex defining the body's development from conception until death. When women are objectified... what do you think it is that is being objectified? Their abstract personality type?

[@Padraigp]

@@euanmacleod3738 sex is conceptually binary yes but biologically its a lot more complicated the amount of variables involved in those two usual outcomes is not at all binary. At all. Lol. Pretty much nothing in biology is binary but of course we do make it a binary concept to write books for little children. But by the time you get to premed biolgoy its a mind fuck of complexity. Generally a majority will fall into one of two catagories ...binary means that everyone falls into one of two options. On or off. In biology there is nothing in your body that is ever a matter of on or off yes or no black or white this or that. Even mitochondia have a lot of complexity to them. But generally boradly speaking and in a simpled down way yeah sure boys and girls. But just because you dumb something down to a binary cincept doesnt make the reality binary. And a lot of cultures and people recognise that and havw always recognised that. But it seems like a lot of people have read the ladybird book of biology and thats as far as their concepts have gone. Because for the most part oversimplified concepts are a useful shortcut that we all take in day to day life. It is a pwrcectly sufficient concept for the general dogsbody on the street to have. Just as people can have a simplistic concept of money. Or work or bank loans or relationships or weather or anything else that they have no need to kbow about. Like bees make honey and wasps arent fuzzy. Thats fine for general identiffication of wasps and bees ands nobody ever needs to consider the bees that look like wasps or the wasps that look like bees because they simply have simple lives where complexities of such things never concern them. And i suspect that you are one of those who need not bother yourself with lifes complexities. If its of no interest to you to delve deeper then just go about with the simple concepts that you have. No need to change. Its only when somone has some deeper need to understand the differences because they cincern them thay they need to bother.

[@spkay6317]

Great to see the number of young people speaking out about the importance of a broad approach to learning. Good on them for speaking out.

[@artgreen6915]

Thankfully the 'say anything that might be construed as not entirely supportive, we'll use the 'phobic' word and then you'll be a pariah' thing has not been swallowed whole by society, so people now feel they can actually say SOMETHING that isn't totally evasive anymore. I think the media's connivance in allowing that activist tactic to be publicised and propagated barely challenged from roughly 2018 to mid pandemic was a significant dereliction in their role. And then there were people who put up signs in offices and schools 'transphobia will not be tolerated'. Fine at one level, but heavily dependant on the interpretation of 'transphobia' which by activists making the running was as broadly as possible. Against that backdrop such simple signs and messages of support took on a more loaded feel which was deniable but every so often shown to have the teeth many suspected. Absolutely disgusting way to railroad a debate that touches on biological reality as one element, and all the many do-gooders who abetted this railroading until the penny dropped that this one wasn't just a case of virtue bandwagoning for the next great social victory, it was more nuanced. That's where we are now, and thankfully as a result the hard-line activists shrill tactics are on the verge of tipping from strength to liability. The media will challenge what they think is socially acceptable to challenge ONLY. They preen themselves as purveyors of free speech and of course they are hugely important in that, but not quite with the principles and courage that they tell themselves. If someone is brandishing phobic words they often self censored their questions, challenges and approach. They hid behind feminists for the period I mentioned, giving the false impression that only feminists and the religious were sceptical of the extent of the trans-rights movement. Anyone else was on their own went the message, and so many in the media faithfully broadcast it...while handwringing privately but doing very little effective to balance the narrative for many months at least. Which included a 'say anything trans sceptic even outside your job and you could be fired' element. That literally wasn't challenged for a significant period. The media had a role in allowing that tactic to succeed, and in terms of having a spine and taking responsibility they were pathetic.

[@GmarineIraqVet]

Great to see young people always on their phones, totally woke and ignorant.

[@robinperronjones5024]

These students who are protesting and trying to cancel this event should be suspended, as they “are not” forced to go to the function. Get a grip of the situation Oxford.

[@LittleMissPyeWacket]

It's not rights at any cost, you don't take away the rights of one group to satisfy another ie. biological women's rights being sacrificed to appease men in dresses. Feelings don't trump facts.

[@willgiles6848]

Trans women are women. Get over it.

[@MelodyBee-yl7we]

These people who support TRANS have no idea what they are actually supporting!

[@exdetransitioner]

Trans rights and women's rights are the same group. It's just inclusion of rights of trans women along with the rights of cisgender women.

[@aarondonnelly3509]

Trans women are not female

[@MelodyBee-yl7we]

@@exdetransitioner We are NOT the same group! They are MEN not women and it's Offensive, misogynistic and disgusting to compare men with anything to do with women!

[@ssjmonstar]

"Trans rights are human rights" So they already have the same rights as everyone else's .... So you want to give them more privileges than the other humans .....

[@royjacobs1204]

Mostly they want to remove them from women

[@ssjmonstar]

@roy jacobs this is what happens when you start given one group of humans more privileges than the others The others want their privileges, so they will do whats necessary to get them. If not, then to take them away from them

[@elijahdieker1209]

Matthew 19:12 confirms that transgender is real and that God prefers same sex marriage.

[@billkosses3808]

This is what happens when the Equality Act is all about protected groups in society. Equality and diversity are not the same, and HR is not an arbiter of truth.

[@MelodyBee-yl7we]

@@elijahdieker1209 irrelevant!

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

'[W]hen you bring up questions or contradictions, it does bring you into the firing line' (6:35) Her experience of Oxford University life is very telling. That simply ASKING A QUESTION could bring anyone under scrutiny AT A UNIVERSITY, of all places, shows what a mess Oxford is in, because of the tyrannical activism of what is likely a very small group of people.

[@private_soul]

100%

[@grackattack7spadestack]

Get that first guy off the screen! He’s being far too reasonable!! Seriously though, he’d be a great adjudicator. Good on him.

[@euanmacleod3738]

Get past all the anger and hate directed towards her, to the actual content of what Stock says, and it is very reasonable, calm, and articulate. It says it all that so many stand so vehemently against the prospect of even having this discussion.

[@MelodyBee-yl7we]

TRANS is males additional rights taken from women! Women do NOT consent it's a danger to us and our children!

[@TheMrRatzz]

Women. This is your time to shine. Stand up and be counted and oppress this movement. Men dressing up as women are taking your voice from under you and undermining decades of work, and forgive me, but you are letting it happen.

[@rmac3217]

The modern feminist deserves it, as they make up the majority of wealthy women (top 10%), let the cards lay where they lie. There comes a time when you protect your own and forget about the outsiders.

[@ALBUMOF2008]

Us radical feminists are not letting it happen but the handmaidens who worship men in dresses can’t be reasoned with. They are so brainwashed.

[@ALBUMOF2008]

@@rmac3217 if you were around during the time of the suffragettes you’d be saying the same thing. Just say you hate women and go.

[@gloriaf6971]

I have no worries about transgender women. They are not a threat of any kind to me.

[@sade799]

@@rmac3217 Men who lament feminism have no idea what it has done to women. All you can consider is yourselves. We've had to raise children as well as go out to work, as well as being put on chemically castrating hormones without being asked or properly informed. Today's trans ideology bullshit was yesterday's feminist bullshit.....no one normal wants it.

[@simonmartin3433]

If this young Man needs to carry out research to understand that you can't change sexes, he's in the wrong place.

[@jasonr7321]

He seems like a sensible young fellow who chooses his words carefully to avoid upsetting anyone and in 15 yrs time will probably be a politician

[@catherinethomas1276]

He's no idiot 😊

[@elijahdieker1209]

Yes you can. And Matthew 19:12 confirms that transgender is real and that God PREFERS same sex relationships. You will die if you do not repent and accept the truth. I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6, the forerunner to the return of Jesus.

[@euanmacleod3738]

@@elijahdieker1209 Elijah! How the heck are you doing? Still sounding like a budding serial killer?

[@Susanna75-r5h]

@elijahdieker1029 You must have written this so many times that you started to believe it, don’t you?

[@andybray9791]

Kathleen isn’t a laughing stock. The students do love playing down things at Tavistock

[@am1156]

Would love to see Kellie-Jay Keen there. Fireworks...

[@michaelsimpson4400]

If you disagree with someone, wanting to turn up to a debate, helpful hint. Debate!

[@simonuden8450]

I always thought the Oxford Union was a free speech debating space, attended mainly by students, to allow them to debate opposing views on any subject. Three of the people you spoke to appeared to be students, and they wanted to allow her to speak. The fourth person you interviewed didn't look to me like a student. To be honest, she looked like the usual sort that protest against everything and anything that will get them noticed - like Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion.

[@mariatsangas817]

Why are so many people scared to express their opinion, the truth, and facts?

[@KH-aug]

It's great that you all were able to platform three such articulate, thoughtful students. Anyone who's worried about hurting the feelings of the trans-identified when discussing 1) the human rights to free speech, and from compelled speech, and 2) girls' and women's rights to dignity, privacy, safety, and fairness -- needs to brief themselves on the stats. Especially those from pre-2015, after which self-ID gender started, at times, being recorded instead of sex in crime investigations. Male-on-female violence and crime statistics -- including flashing and public masturbation near girls and women, voyeurism, stalking, simple and aggravated assault, sexual and otherwise, and rape -- matter for everyone, even those from middle- and upper-income mileus. Trans-identified males commit these crimes at the same or greater rates as the non-trans-identified do. Something else that matters: the ever-increasing number of detransitioners who, as children, were gaslit into medicalized, irreversible procedures and now can only grieve the loss of their younger healthy bodies. By conforming to a fad they thought signified their progressive individuality, they must now live with a damaged body for the rest of their lives. Which can be such a difficult prospect that they're in fact more likely, not less, to commit suicide after engaging with the trans-medical complex. It's horrific. So yes, anyone concerned about hurting feelings needs to 1) learn some statistics, 2) learn some history, starting with McCarthyism in the U.S. and China's Cultural Revolution, and 3) learn about the power those with Cluster B personality disorders (narcissistic, borderline, histrionic, antisocial) have been exerting on society especially through social media. Honesty and courage are necessary in the face of selfish, regressive, immaturity.

[@exdetransitioner]

Do you have evidence that trans women commit crimes at greater rate than cisgender women?

[@honeybunch6473]

Exactly

[@saregama-r8td]

all those trans supporters say the exact same thing, we are not against free speech but.........cancel her!

[@eugenesteenhuisen4065]

Free speech is especially important in a university.

[@andijhall]

Will from the inbetweeners finally made it to Oxford. Well done you.

[@gotanproject4g174]

Very funny :)

[@iknowyoureright8564]

It isn’t even about a right to be heard……..these students should WANT to hear what she has to say! It’s as if they’ve heard 1 opinion and said “ok, that’s my worldview now” abs when other opinions or facts are spoken they go MENTAL and scream and shout and go out of their way to cancel, hurt and belittle those people, rather than say…” oh, there’s Another point of view, let me hear what this one says” Why would any human being make up their view of the world after hearing one opinion/doctrine, while ignoring the other………it is better to read the whole book before saying you don’t like it, rather than having someone else tell you it’s rubbish and then believing it so staunchly that you’re willing to commit crimes to keep the narrative/ideology going. They’ll all snap out of it in their own time and when they do, they’ll do the biggest facepalm they’ve ever done,

[@adamthemyth]

The only way to test the strength of an idea is in the crucible of open debate.

[@paulwells4372]

This young man says debate? How about absolute truth, and the truth is a man will always be a man and a woman will always be a woman the END! It is not up for debate, this debate should read what happened to TRUTH!!

[@Slapbladder]

Normal sensible person speaks then a pink haired lady pops up trying to shut down free speak and argument by pulling out buzz words....

[@Teeman44]

After watching this, it gives me some hope for the future generations.

[@fgfg633]

“Should be allowed?” What a state we’re in.

[@berniefynn6623]

As an employer I would not employ those who are so easily indoctrinated,these students today are thick as a brick. ALL you people will be boycotted .

[@bee-eu6cg]

Going ahead . Good to see.😊

[@chickenfeetfordinner5804]

This first guy started out well then he got his fence out,sat on and became very non committed

[@ALBUMOF2008]

And yet everyone in the comments is praising him as if he’s not just taking the cowardly position.

[@robertreynolds2702]

How many trans students attend Oxford University ?

[@exdetransitioner]

I'm sure it's about several percent - and it applies to almost every university in the world, even in countries that heavily oppress LGBTQ+ people.

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

Do you mean how any students are truly trans, in that they experience severe and persistent gender dysphoria that is eased by emulating the other sex? Or are you asking how many students identify as trans? Given that this group includes fetishistic cross-dressers, misogynistic incels and attention-seeking narcissists, as well as truely trans people, the stats could be considerably higher than they should be.

[@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559]

​@@exdetransitionerand yet Iran is a hub for 'sex-reassignment' surgery. It's gay people who are truly discriminated against there.

[@derekb4977]

​@@exdetransitioner there's no such thing as a real gay man drop all these letters.

[@AlexandreSilva-kc6kc]

I think she es very reasonable. Educated good person.

[@rachellandry3116]

the fact that the basic definition of woman is under attack by these kiddies turned squiddies, is prima facie evidence that they struggle with sophism and that they are essentially unfit scholars ...

[@billhawkins192]

It is not a debate until all voices are heard.

[@RicktheRecorder]

All voices? Surely not. Two voices would be enough.

[@billkosses3808]

@@RicktheRecorder Ah, a parliamentary democrat

[@RicktheRecorder]

@@billkosses3808 i didn't say anything about democracy. Debate is another thing.

[@billkosses3808]

@@RicktheRecorder And 2 voices is parliamentary democracy

[@RicktheRecorder]

@@billkosses3808 I'm not sure that's right. There might be a majority voice but there may be many opposing voices.

[@alexanderwarren8292]

Impressed and reassured by the reasoning of this young man. It should be a given in the UK and a shame to see that this is an issue at all.

[@zgobermn6895]

Let her speak for cryin out loud!

[@LightSpell28]

I appreciate that the students aren't agreeing with the terms like "woke" and "cancel culture", I don't find them particularly useful because people will fight about what they actually mean.

[@lorrygeewhizzbang9521]

XX CHROMOSOMES = WOMAN XY CHROMOSOMES = MAN Dresses and makeup won't change that.

[@awc900]

There are two sexes, zero genders and unlimited personalities.

[@souxcasa]

Did she just call the far left McCarthyists? Well done that girl. We need more of her and the first guys. Speak up, speak loud and apeak proud. Your right to your opinions should be protected and the rights of people to disagree should be protected also cos that's how rights work

[@gregromaine5958]

Right or Wrong, wither you agree or disagree , this isn't the point. The point is being able to discuss and debate such controversial and difficult issues openly without that conversation being shut down. This is how society filters the good ideas from the bad and society progresses. By shutting down the ability to talk about issues leads to a very dark path.

[@AngelReyesSkates]

Gender dysphoria shouldn’t be encouraged!

[@dianecorbin8886]

The first guy was so articulate and put reasoned it gives me hope for the future.

[@john-xo9mg]

Please be whatever you want to think you are, but do not try to force your opinion on me..

[@IdeologyPill]

Trans Women are Trans Women and Women are Women and Men are Men and Trans Men are Trans Men! It’s really quite simple …..

[@derekb4977]

No, wrong, if trans is real then Detrans isn't real yet we are seeing many Detrans, there's only two sex's male and female LGB and S everything else is meaningless.

[@Magicspark2366]

Its a debating chamber....If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen !

[@deborahjaneapperley1004]

I think all students should get a better education on the science of biology after all their are only 2 genders. I didn’t go to University thank god. The trans community seem to hate women who stand up for women’s rights if we don’t stand up for our rights who will?

[@readthetype]

Sexual reproduction is not a debatable point. For example: _“Gender is a social construct.”_ Nope! No it is not. Sexual reproduction is not a debatable point. You’ve failed the moment you treat it as anything less than absolute. The woke have only very recently (early 2023) started acknowledging a distinction between “gender” and “biological sex.” What they’ve failed to realize is that by acknowledging this distinction, they’ve lost the entire debate. Because all that’s left is “gender,” which they’re simply conflating with personality. No one’s refuting “boys can wear pink and girls can wear blue,” and everyone acknowledges harmful sexual stereotypes, and that they can change over time. No one was ever disagreeing with that.Their attempts to frame questions as misogynistic bigotry is disingenuous, manipulative, and a pretty blatant tell. Seriously. When was the last time you heard a teacher say _“Oh dear, you can’t study that, it’s not women’s work…”._ And no one is refuting the existence of sexism or sexist behaviour. But to pretend as though it’s so prevalent you need entire university departments to fight it is little more than a transparent power/money grab. Also, who’s the young guy they’re interviewing at the start, and why is he pretending to speak with a lisp? You don’t need to listen too closely to spot the inconsistencies.

[@PozoBlue]

When that phrase 'gender is a social construct' was coined by old school feminism, not a single feminists was using 'gender' to mean 'sex'. That famous saying was precisely pointing out that social norms and stereotypes (gender) were socially and culturally constructed and changing according to place and point in history, and were socialized/imposed on men and women (sex). Their point was that most were not 'innate' but social (e.g. boys like blue and wearing trousers, women like wearing pink and dresses, etc.). That is what that phrase meant. Transactivism muddied the linguistic waters and gender and sex became conflated. If you take gender to men sex that phrase makes no sense, but it does make sense if understood as originally proposed.

[@readthetype]

That’s some expert back-peddling. In the context of this debate, absolutely no one was ever refuting the assertion that social norms and stereotypes change over time. What they WERE refuting was _“I’m a woman if I say I’m a woman, which means by law, I should have access to women’s jails, locker rooms, sports &c.”_ Only now are proponents of that assertion starting to realize how absurd it was, and falling back to the position you just outlined. If the trans activists of today meant what you claim they meant, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

[@abdell75roussos]

What matters is social media 'likes', and not reality, facts, stats etc.

[@Nobbyman1]

The parents of these students must be so proud of their children. Remember folks, these kids will be eligible to vote . They need to change the law back to being 21 before you are eligible for voting.

[@helenshadowwolf7617]

At last a someonecwho is articulate and able to acknowledge debate is vital

[@siadali7673]

Free speech is the most fundamental right

[@gavindouglas7020]

True will out

[@Eatsleeprun_rescuecats]

The trans community are so fragile they can’t hear another opinion.. all this does is peak more people.. people want to know what’s going on so research.. they are literally doing the GCs work for them. Good to see a couple of students with an opinion

[@55tranquility]

She is not the slightest bit controversial- she is actually a moderate view - one that is shared by 99% of the population. Its not hatred, or bigoted to deny the reality that a man simply can’t own the biological reality of the female body.

[@LH-kr4od]

Good to see some Oxford students worthy of the honour. Does anyone know how Riz got in?!

[@bluelit4830]

See the last woman - these are the people raising the mafia

[@cazza7034]

You understand the “hurt they may feel”? By having a fair and balanced debate? 🙄🙄🙄

[@count69]

We are creating a problem by making reasoned debate part of this landscape. If we follow the rules of reasoned debate we will never get anywhere because one side is arguing from bad faith and deliberate distortions. We need to start having one-sided debates where trans are excluded and we can thrash out solutions without them interfering. I'm done with them using language like 'genocide' and 'life saving medical care'. The trans community have proved they cannot handle debate at any level, they cannot handle reality, so they need to be excluded form the debate while we move society on without them.

[@ralfl.k.5636]

'Free speech means don't speak free' - G.Orwell 2023 Be happy, 2+ 2 = 5 ...

[@Lupinicus1664]

There are undeniable differences between biological women and trans women. Rather than shut down debate on this issue it seems we need more time to examine the issues.

[@andrewrobinson9172]

I think the very late experience of Quentin Crisp, who had maintained that he was homosexual up to that point, is worth thinking about: "At the age of ninety, it has finally been explained to me that I am not really homosexual, I’m transgender. I now accept that. All my life, I have wanted to be part of society without having to alter my daydream, my own reality. . . . I never came ‘out’ as transgender or gay because I was never ‘in’ and I’ve never known anything except the life I have. I either lived in the dream world in which I was a woman or else I lived awkwardly in the outside world where I was inadequate. The only difference is that now I live my whole life unified by the fact that I can live in the outer world the way I live in my head. I couldn’t always do that and it’s a freedom I now cherish. . . . I don’t think I ever consciously questioned my sexuality, my identity, my gender, or my daydream. . . . The dream that I am really a woman closed about me entirely. I went through life as though I was a boy in the outer world, but in my head I went on as though I were a woman. This explains why my life has been so strange." ~ Quentin Crisp

[@exdetransitioner]

Trans women are biological women

[@myzamau428]

@@exdetransitioner Wrong.

[@lorrygeewhizzbang9521]

@@andrewrobinson9172 Imagine how shocked he'd be having his penis rip into his anus, breaking his tailbone, to give birth to a child, then nearly hemorrhaging to death, and for the next 6 months hearing his own screams in his head or to bleed perfusley from his insides from the age of 13 until menopause. To be thrown into prison convents like the magdelin sisters for being too pretty or getting pregnant where you and your child might just end up in a mass grave or to have your education rights denied like in Muslim countries. NO MAN KNOWS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A WOMAN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WOMEN.

[@Slumbert]

Man in podcast had to choose between the most beautiful trans in the world or the World's oldest woman. He was not gay so he took the woman. Women in the studio got triggered and some walked out. It's wonko. The delusion and selfidentity don't remove the male body he had to sleep with. Your not sleeping with the selfidentity\delusion but with a male body of cource. Don't be infantile.

[@am1156]

Wow. Most women would have been very happy with his choice. A compliment and validation of what womanhood is; something innate that no one can take from you, or give you. But they would have prefered a choice that would nullify their own existence. If some women did not take the side of these men in dresses we would not be where we are now.

[@atlarge2621]

"We believe in freedom of speech, what we are worried about is that people are allowing people to speak who are...." 😅 so actually no freedom of speech.

[@Slumbert]

The word trans is a lie. We need a new word. Suggestions....

[@rosied6351]

A general malady listing...Desired Eunuchism/Delayed cerebral development/Bandwagonism/Critical thinking inabilities/Spoilt children disease/Self importance mania...

[@Slumbert]

pseudochanger Illusionist

[@UnashamedlyGodSquad]

Shite

[@catherinethomas1276]

Delusions

[@alibrown6268]

Pretendy? Maybe Thailand have a better description with ladyboys

[@archieduke9324]

Good boy 🙏

[@dannydbrown90]

And the Internet will lead you to believe it's a lot bigger than ut actually is.. I think I've only ever seen two trans people in my whole life

[@jcmedia-uk]

its very worrying that these are students from one of our leading university

[@nonseans]

"Peoples lives" - yeah, but your life is your burden so don't put it on the others shoulders. We have our own.

[@importantjohn]

There is hope

[@alexanderspear9464]

Nauseous narcissists

[@Sidecontrol1234]

Basic human biology and common sense isnt contreversial lol

[@souxcasa]

"We dont ahve a problem with freedom f speech but we are worried that people are allowed to speak "

[@winstonsmasterplan]

This guy will be flipping burgers for the rest of his life

[@clownofthetimes6727]

What happened to BLM? I suppose that was so yesterday and not trendy for the internet obsessed youth of today. Next year it will be a different fad.

[@Antonio-pq4fb]

The last woman isn't even a student, shes a lollipop lady.

[@jackqueslack2339]

Why should there be a debate, trans people are just people living their lives trying to be happy

[@kerryannestevenson6099]

Don’t see why she was a Professor of the Philosophy of Literature,she ‘s no expert on Trans.

[@iainfitz1234]

What is the ‘trans community’? Are we to believe that a bloke with convictions for rape etc is actually a woman (or any bloke is a woman) and that person shares communal links with a teenage girl who perhaps is attracted to other girls but is struggling with that, and struggling with her body changing and has been told that she is actually a boy - and that the best way to be her true self is to have her breasts removed and be out on hormone drugs to make her more masculine? Stop this madness and leave children alone, and keep all men out of women’s spaces. Simple.

[@laodesyukur]

There is no gender "binary" only masculine and feminime... In my case "privately" they make a grey colour, you know, black and not wide because who children who don't know their identities especially in hyper techonology nowdays could be "playing" they do samesex marriage around them, that's the point then those children can not fight back because unknowning... If you love to be a male or a female, just do surgery, those are permited, religion could allows...many person changed their sex because, feel good with that identity. However many people mock them indeed... The biggest sin ever made is samesex marriage, if those billions female there are wanting to mix, even a male standing around them could be permited then those female must marriage with a male only 🌐🇬🇧🎁❤️

[@milkteaalliance1748]

The trans guys are right this time for a change

[@honeybunch6473]

Right about what????

[@michaelfarrell114]

Why do people change the way that God created them?

[@billkosses3808]

By wearing clothes

[@douglasfreeman3229]

God? Wasn't religion pretty tyrannical and puritanical for several millennia? Still is over much of the world.

[@catherinethomas1276]

I like him 😊

[@JimPlebeian]

“I’m confused & so are you , I’m confused & so are you, I’m confused & so are you”

[@chaosenergy1990]

Yeah but the ‘orthodoxy’ is younger than I am. It’s the new religion.

[@JustinSmith-kn9ef]

She is controversial and transphobic who's a lesbian with her own woman centric fears to be outed and to mention child protection is totally off kilter

[@davidhenryandthemysterons3220]

😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫🙄🙄🙄🙄🙈🙉🙊

[@mpat100]

I am genderfluid non binary neutral using they them pronouns; this is clearly about pronouns and the right to use them; how unfortunate it has come to this; people need to stop misgendering others

[@annas4843]

Easy… stop creating identities every single day. No one cares what’s in your head, play that game with your friends who care

[@mpat100]

@@annas4843 please be kind and dont misgender you can also use ze/zir if you like

[@thunkjunk]

That is your gender expression and your personal experience. But you cannot expect people to call you by what your subjective experience is because what people outside of yourself see is just you in objective reality. Your friends and family might know you better, but in public you are a male or a female. The pronoun movement will not succeed, not because of bigotry, but because it is too much work and confusing.

[@rosied6351]

​@@thunkjunkHear Hear 😊😊😊

[@annas4843]

@@mpat100 please be kind and don’t pass your problems to others. You are not the centre of the world and no one cares what issues you have in your head. Respect others who just want to go on with their days

[@Trotters10]

How refreshing to see some sensible students for a change! The most marginalised and at risk group is biological women - why do they keep parroting this absolute nonsense about trans - they are the most powerful and protected group!