“You’re Saying She ISN'T Guilty” Dr David Bull Challenges Barrister on Lucy Letby

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@paddingtonthomson8561
@paddingtonthomson8561 Жыл бұрын
As a senior NHS nurse, I will wholeheartedly say the management within the NHS is corrupt. They should be removed and replaced by clinicians.
@krugerfuchs
@krugerfuchs Жыл бұрын
All of you should be replaced
@lola70k
@lola70k Жыл бұрын
As a NHS consultant, I totally agree with you. They don’t have any idea of anything about health care and they have all the power in their hands.
@shonabeggs4640
@shonabeggs4640 Жыл бұрын
As a lay person, I agree wholeheartedly with you both. Remove the pen pushers!
@johnbobson1557
@johnbobson1557 Жыл бұрын
As a retired consultant, I chucked the towel in early as did most of my cohort. The NHS really is useless and we need a return to clinically guided health care. Having a business manager is just ludicrous.
@isking1715
@isking1715 Жыл бұрын
So many people agree with you but will the gov listen. Nope.
@zoefree3950
@zoefree3950 Жыл бұрын
Whistleblowers will not be tolerated in the nhs….ask anyone who has worked for them and tried to make a complaint about anything 🤷‍♀️
@dizzykat9524
@dizzykat9524 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely true!
@markcordwell2035
@markcordwell2035 Жыл бұрын
Your right it's been on the radio last few days,useless NHS closing ranks,and this idiot NHS barrister just backs it up
@HELLO-b1p
@HELLO-b1p Жыл бұрын
Well that’s becus we are meant to feel scared if we do report, we will be questioned a 100 of questions make us feel nervous….
@scartwright9350
@scartwright9350 Жыл бұрын
What r u on. She didnt expose anything. She killed babies. Thats it
@carlaorchard6794
@carlaorchard6794 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Although I was told when I started in the nhs you're as bad as what you walk past. But if you open your mouth be prepared for the backlash you will face. Managers in the nhs are the biggest problem. Too many managers on a lot of money doing not a lot of work
@michellemcgarr1709
@michellemcgarr1709 Жыл бұрын
Cctv is needed over all hospital cots and beds of vulnerable people especially babies and children.
@nicholasporter1417
@nicholasporter1417 Жыл бұрын
1000% agreed. Tbh i thought they did. Whole case is troubling
@yell50
@yell50 Жыл бұрын
I thought CCTV is standard equipment in maternity wards and throughout hospitals in general
@Felicity2121
@Felicity2121 Жыл бұрын
Everyone in hospital is vulnerable.
@melgrant7404
@melgrant7404 Жыл бұрын
Especially when they knew something was going on .
@citizenphaid1880
@citizenphaid1880 Жыл бұрын
Never going to happen….the unions would have a field day with that one.
@elizabethryan2217
@elizabethryan2217 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I feel this barrister is being misrepresented. He didn't say - as the texts coming in suggested he did - that she wasn't guilty. He said the evidence on which she was convicted and the way in which she was investigated was very concerning and didn't *convince* him that she was guilty. He never said she was definitely innocent.
@sunway1374
@sunway1374 Жыл бұрын
You are right. I think there is reasonable doubt.
@nutrition182
@nutrition182 Жыл бұрын
and that other parties were not making mistakes, so she may not have been liable for all of the babies. Having said that, the culling of one baby is very bad if deliberately done.
@elizabethryan2217
@elizabethryan2217 Жыл бұрын
@@sunway1374 I actually don't know enough about the case to comment - I just felt the barrister made a point that was then misrepresented.
@elizabethryan2217
@elizabethryan2217 Жыл бұрын
@@nutrition182 no question. 💔
@johannahoneyman697
@johannahoneyman697 Жыл бұрын
You’re absolutely right!! Most people don’t listen properly.
@parker-ii7fg
@parker-ii7fg Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget the role of the senior hospital management. They were fully aware of the accusations and not only failed to investigate, but actively tried to quash those who were attempting to speak out. They should also be in the dock for gross criminal negligence.
@truckerfromreno
@truckerfromreno Жыл бұрын
Arrest them today.
@uniquevideosUk
@uniquevideosUk Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Saying now you had significant concerns isn't saving anyone of them innocent babies! I feel NHS as become way to open, they don't question the obvious, they just kept ignoring it with nonsense! What we see in many cases today within many of our services.
@harold6863
@harold6863 Жыл бұрын
Too keen to cover up, all too, I’m afraid.
@rogerwood4846
@rogerwood4846 Жыл бұрын
no manager in the nhs every gets sacked or prosecuted......meanwhile they attack women at every turn and break the equality acts laws...they dont care because if it gets worse they get a golden hand shake and then move to another job in the nhs
@bonglandgreg
@bonglandgreg Жыл бұрын
We have guilty by association laws, accomplices laws, aiding and abetting laws, conspiracy laws. These managers are by definition as guilty for the crimes as letby is. What the fuck has happened to our country? Really, what has happened and how did we allow it?
@steves1592
@steves1592 Жыл бұрын
A end of life nurse tried starving and dehydrating an old lady my mother was helping, my mother gave her some water after she was begging for a drink! This was 6 years ago and this old lady is still going strong! I find it hard to trust anyone these days 😢
@tonkabeancat1117
@tonkabeancat1117 Жыл бұрын
Your mum IS A TOTAL HERO. I tried doing that for my dad (3 days before he died) - and was barred from the hospital, along with having false accusations made about “interference” in the protocol.
@dorbie
@dorbie Жыл бұрын
I hope you reported her. That's neglect, abuse, and murder.
@ukwhitewitch
@ukwhitewitch Жыл бұрын
I am medically retired, but wanted a simple part-time job, so became a hospital cleaner for a few years. I have also helped patients who were begging for drinks. Several times I've shouted at the nurses who are usually sitting chatting at the nurse's station, completely ignoring their patients and they all just stare at me blankly as though they're surprised a cleaner can actually hold an intelligent conversation! I got to see what was really going on, because I was invisible and they didn't care....honestly, you'd be horrified.
@carolilseanne2175
@carolilseanne2175 Жыл бұрын
Bring back proper old fashioned Matrons!
@carolilseanne2175
@carolilseanne2175 Жыл бұрын
​@@tonkabeancat1117you were doing what the staff should have been doing
@SuzannePowell-fb6lw
@SuzannePowell-fb6lw 7 ай бұрын
I am so happy to hear a person brave enough to question this
@stephenthwaite3115
@stephenthwaite3115 5 ай бұрын
She was obviously a Patsy for the ante natal unit problems we have in many NHS units. She obviously had a very poor representation in court.
@seren-sp1ec
@seren-sp1ec 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely! And noone is asking about the doctors!
@richardmullins44
@richardmullins44 3 ай бұрын
stephenthwaite. I asked google "what percentage of premature babies die in an ICU". Google replied " Between July 1, 2016, to May 31, 2018, 4919 preterm infants were enrolled in the study and 3852 were admitted to neonatal intensive care units. By 28 days of post-natal age, 1109 (29%) of those admitted to the neonatal intensive care unit died". I think Letby is a patsy. Exactly what they are covering up I do not know.
@soccom8341576
@soccom8341576 28 күн бұрын
Doctors are afraid of being on the defence, because they can be easily threatened and coerced by threat of being struck off the register and banned forever from their profession, which they've done much for.
@63mckenzie
@63mckenzie Жыл бұрын
The whole NHS system needs to change. I once made a complaint about a procedure I had done. The hospital manager said they would 'investigate'. This comprised of asking the person I complained about if anything had gone wrong. The said no, so that was the end of the matter!!! It's like criminals policing themselves.
@siljevege7283
@siljevege7283 Жыл бұрын
This tragically happens to most who complain about the nhs. This explains why the nhs is a breeding ground for serial killer.
@63mckenzie
@63mckenzie Жыл бұрын
@@siljevege7283 The whole mentality has to change. It's become like some kind of religious organisation where you can never question them.
@DraniCondon
@DraniCondon Жыл бұрын
@@63mckenzieoverpaid managers behaving like the mafia.
@haza123b4
@haza123b4 Жыл бұрын
*That's because the PHSO (which handles NHS complaints) is corrupt - see Trust Pilot reviews.*
@mkaz3997
@mkaz3997 Жыл бұрын
You should have 'lawyered up'. The NHS tends to fold when litigation is threatened.
@darylheasman1
@darylheasman1 Жыл бұрын
I hope all the managers that tried to cover up this scandal face manslaughter charges for all the babies that died because of their negligence.
@testudohorsfieldii7052
@testudohorsfieldii7052 Жыл бұрын
No offence but you obviously don't know what manslaughter is
@darylheasman1
@darylheasman1 Жыл бұрын
@testudohorsfieldii7052 your clever,I'm not a legal expert in anyway, but their actions are responsible for the deaths of them poor babies due to their woeful neglect in pursuit of the Trusts reputation
@cbellasbusta4643
@cbellasbusta4643 Жыл бұрын
They're guilty of corporate manslaughter
@asmith5149
@asmith5149 Жыл бұрын
​@@testudohorsfieldii7052nor do you. If your actions directly causes someons death it can be classed as manslaughter.
@jamiehav0k62
@jamiehav0k62 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's literally called gross negligent manslaughter that they could be charged with due to gross failure of their position of care.
@Discombobulate453
@Discombobulate453 Жыл бұрын
My late mother tried to report bullying by her boss when she was a nurse, and the higher ups were not even remotely interested. And this was in 1995. NHS has been corrupt for decades. It's not getting any better.
@davesmith3526
@davesmith3526 Жыл бұрын
It not just the NHS, though. The level of corruptions in these services are just out of control.
@haza123b4
@haza123b4 Жыл бұрын
*Sorry for your loss. One possible factor in that treatment is that the PHSO (which handles NHS complaints) is corrupt - see Trust Pilot reviews.*
@joannarichards6245
@joannarichards6245 Жыл бұрын
That’s dreadful, your poor Mum! What on Earth are they up to? X❤️
@peterthomas5792
@peterthomas5792 Жыл бұрын
And it'll continue as long as there is no accountability for NHS managers. All they care about is the bottom line - the reputation of the trust. End of. Everything else is secondary, including patient lives and consultants' careers.
@michaelcurtis7382
@michaelcurtis7382 Жыл бұрын
Since the Fiasco of Boris Johnson turning his back on the Nurses during COVID. Britain’s NHS has lost a massive count of Ethically good Nurses & other medical Staff. It’s too obvious that the Rich can skate out to private medical companies & leave ordinary working Class people to endure endless suffering. If this Murder case was taking place in America- This young Nurse would be given the Death Penalty without question.
@britishbeef6178
@britishbeef6178 Жыл бұрын
I was in hospital once for a few days and one nurse took a disliking to me for no apparent reason, in the night when her shift changed, I could hear her slagging me off to the next nurse when she briefed her, seemingly forgetting that I could hear everything she was saying. There are some very bad apples lurking in the shadows.
@bigcityjunglecatenvisageth1422
@bigcityjunglecatenvisageth1422 Жыл бұрын
British: I've found the vast majority of nurses to be arrogant, nasty and hateful. And a good few doctors too. Welcome to the "caring profession" 🤒🤕😥🤧
@lifelongred7056
@lifelongred7056 Жыл бұрын
Since everyone has Internet access these long-established institutions the government,police, N.H.S, TV and sports. Now they can't hide things so easily. The police in my opinion are one of the most corrupt institutions there is. No freedom of speech,no common law rights,no justice . Everything is secretive,dark and sinister. The government,the police,solicitors,judges,bailiffs,debt collectors,councils are just organised gangs and totally untrustworthy.
@MrGranfield
@MrGranfield Жыл бұрын
I am sure she had good reason to dislike you.
@bigcityjunglecatenvisageth1422
@bigcityjunglecatenvisageth1422 Жыл бұрын
@@MrGranfield Why are you being so spiteful? You might have to go into hospital one day!!!
@britishbeef6178
@britishbeef6178 Жыл бұрын
@@MrGranfield None. I minded my own business and never really spoke to her. At the time I was in an isolation room because I was positive for covid, but that wasn't why I was in hospital.
@magenta6754
@magenta6754 Жыл бұрын
As soon as there was suspicious, she should not have been left alone with babies. At the very least they could have put up hidden cameras in the baby wards.
@oldskoolrools1353
@oldskoolrools1353 Жыл бұрын
now you're thinking about it....
@MikedeGarry
@MikedeGarry Жыл бұрын
Yes, easy to do with today's technology. They probably feared some sort of 'invasion of privacy' infraction !!! NHS, Police, Education, Civil Service ... Knock them down and start again!
@normankennith7919
@normankennith7919 Жыл бұрын
it sounds like a cover up &someone above lucy is guilty of the deaths of the children!! i don't think anybody meant to kill the babies lucy has become the scapegoat!! she is as guilty of murder as much as kate & gerry mccann!!!!
@normankennith7919
@normankennith7919 Жыл бұрын
or the camera would have filmed the real 'murderer'!!!!!!!
@irenedavo3768
@irenedavo3768 Жыл бұрын
I have had Complaint with Liverpool Hospital! No one is interested!
@michellemcgarr1709
@michellemcgarr1709 Жыл бұрын
Those in management positions who overlooked the Doctors warnings should be charged with misconduct or aiding and abetting such crimes she was getting away with.
@Qkano
@Qkano Жыл бұрын
Pashaw! Before you know it senior government and BBC staff that enabled Jimmy Savile to operate for decades despite it being an open secret ... should be charged?
@annegordon6725
@annegordon6725 Жыл бұрын
Corporate Manslaughter! They failed to act to avoid criticism of the hospital.
@lorrainepatterson8558
@lorrainepatterson8558 Жыл бұрын
They have all retired on massive pensions I'm sure
@viola1699
@viola1699 Жыл бұрын
They didn’t have any evidence that why they couldn’t remove Lucy. They still don’t have hard evidence till now.
@faodail3913
@faodail3913 Жыл бұрын
Manslaughter!
@softcolly8753
@softcolly8753 Жыл бұрын
Having done Jury duty, it would terrify me standing trial while being innocent. Remember that half of the jury are likely to be below average intelligence.
@softcolly8753
@softcolly8753 Жыл бұрын
@@gpw203 indeed, the less smart people in the case I was involved in seemed to treat it as a TV drama where they were trying to guess the plot twist. Despite being instructed to base it on the evidence.
@justinneill5003
@justinneill5003 Жыл бұрын
Trial by jury seems such an antiquated system, it’s like a relic from a more primitive age. Think about it… evidence is painstakingly gathered and forensically analysed by experts, specialists are consulted, experienced lawyers trawl through every aspect of the case… but in the end, the defendant’s fate is decided by the butcher, the baker & the candlestick maker.
@andyryan3756
@andyryan3756 Жыл бұрын
100 % agree and I bet nearly all had no medical background or knowledge. I trial by your peers should be just that. In Lucy case doctors and nurses who know what the terminology means. How this woman was found guilty should scare everyone, it’s as plan as the nose on one’s face that the evidence was so weak. The case never should of come to court. A pure coverup has took place and the chosen sacrificial lamb was slaughtered to Appease the gullible masses. Ie Joe Public
@markwalker4142
@markwalker4142 5 ай бұрын
You mean like a majority of people commenting on here ??? 😂😂😂😂
@softcolly8753
@softcolly8753 5 ай бұрын
@@justinneill5003 True, but I am not a fan of the idea of these things being decided by one person either.
@mickilin99
@mickilin99 4 ай бұрын
11 months later and there's a lot more concern. Well said Mark Mcdonald.
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 4 ай бұрын
This man should study the case better !!! He's got a number of facts completely wrong
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 4 ай бұрын
Huh he said he wasn't in court and hadn't studied the case that well yet here he is trying badly to make out there's been a mistake....he should at least get his facts right
@mickilin99
@mickilin99 4 ай бұрын
@@annbumfrey6812 Juries are always right are they?
@MindbodyMedic
@MindbodyMedic 3 ай бұрын
He is now leading Letbys new legal team.
@MrChrisalf2004
@MrChrisalf2004 3 ай бұрын
I am pro Lucy but Mr McDonalds' appointment as her new barrister is quite frankly the end of Lucys' hopes for acquittal. The wrong man for the job.
@cordeliav3055
@cordeliav3055 Жыл бұрын
Oh boy! I am thinking of Lindy Chamberlain here in Australia, sent to prison for a year for murdering her baby daughter. She was proved innocent, and that indeed a dingo had taken her baby. Her life was ruined, her marriage destroyed. A very sad case.
@SueRosalie
@SueRosalie Жыл бұрын
cannot be compared at all. The Chamberlain case was police stuff up and prejudice against Chamberlain's personality and religion, and general ignorance of the capabilities of dingoes.
@darrenporter1850
@darrenporter1850 Жыл бұрын
1 child. Completely different
@cordeliav3055
@cordeliav3055 Жыл бұрын
@@darrenporter1850 not quite. Three other children: 2 small boys and a daughter born to her in prison, subsequently taken from her.
@empathry
@empathry Жыл бұрын
@@darrenporter1850one child killed so it’s not as important? Wow
@darrenporter1850
@darrenporter1850 Жыл бұрын
@@cordeliav3055 All eaten by Dingo's?
@fredneecher1746
@fredneecher1746 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being convicted of murdering seven babies with no evidence presented of killing any one of them, no motive and no confession. Why are people so keen to bay for blood, as this presenter is doing? It's as if people want a hate figure and when they have one they will not allow reasoned doubt to get in the way.
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
She was found guilty by a Jury and a Judge, who were not swayed by her looks!
@holycannoli64
@holycannoli64 Жыл бұрын
Colin Stagg was found guilty by judge and jury too.
@kayleyrobinson6591
@kayleyrobinson6591 Жыл бұрын
No, why are people baby killer sympathisers? Callous. There was a confession and yes a motive- just because you don't know it, doesn't mean there wasn't. Onviously was.
@ruthbashford3176
@ruthbashford3176 Жыл бұрын
@@heddaszczepanski9210 Lucy was found guilty on flawed evidence. Read SCIENCE ON TRIAL rexvlucyletby
@rubyredall2145
@rubyredall2145 Жыл бұрын
Yes Presenters should really be neutral in my opinion but he wasn t having any of it.
@bridiesmith5110
@bridiesmith5110 Жыл бұрын
No post mortems were done on all the elderly that died of covid. The shipman law was repealed for covid and has not been reinstated. This to protect Hancock and co from prosecution.
@aldorraman
@aldorraman 8 ай бұрын
And what has this to do with Letby's mass murder convictions?
@bellababy50505
@bellababy50505 9 ай бұрын
i do not think she’s guilty and it’s eating away at me each day. I am horrified by this
@amasworld7126
@amasworld7126 7 ай бұрын
Same here. And nhs nurses killed my daughter and covered it up. I’m certain she’s being framed because they frame people all the time. She probably was part of the cover up and then tried to turn on the group and whistleblow
@rolandhawken6628
@rolandhawken6628 6 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it is not just me that feels like this or thinks like this
@MANGO-SAXON
@MANGO-SAXON 5 ай бұрын
The more i look into it the more i worry that there has been a huge miscarriage of justice.
@bellababy50505
@bellababy50505 5 ай бұрын
@@MANGO-SAXON i literally agree
@sean380
@sean380 Жыл бұрын
Hospital Trusts Management teams are more concerned about their reputations than Patient safety.
@galpandgalp
@galpandgalp 3 ай бұрын
???????....it was the 2 doctors... ego
@sarahparry1012
@sarahparry1012 Жыл бұрын
The interviewers argument is 'the jury said she's guilty so there' - by that logic you can never have a miscarriage of justice
@ruthbashford3176
@ruthbashford3176 5 ай бұрын
The Lucy Letby case is going to be one of the biggest miscarriages of justice this country has seen. "The Post Office scandal on steroids"
@GemmaMay-Hill
@GemmaMay-Hill 4 ай бұрын
@@ruthbashford3176 I ATTENDED MATERNITY SCANS AT CHESTER HOSPITAL, EXACTLY SAME TIME THESE "MURDERS" ALLEGEDLY HAPPENED. MATERNITY WARD NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE STUNK OF DRAINS. FORCED TO SWITCH HOSPITALS BECAUSE OF IT
@marannahutton458
@marannahutton458 4 ай бұрын
I agree 👍
@polychenko8717
@polychenko8717 4 ай бұрын
How much of your money are you willing to bet on this? You seem very sure on what was a complex case with multiple strands of evidence which took 9months of trial
@polychenko8717
@polychenko8717 4 ай бұрын
@@GemmaMay-Hill sorry to hear. Sadly the chaotic and dysfunctional environment is one where a criminal could act without reproach
@GemmaMay-Hill
@GemmaMay-Hill 4 ай бұрын
@@polychenko8717 very stupid thing to say actually!!! Why straight to assume a murderer, before investigating all avenues? You make yourself sound not only very stupid, but also crazy!
@samumoth
@samumoth Жыл бұрын
I think the police should have carefully traced back through all the cases of dead babies in the hospitals prior to her time at the Countess of Cheshire. It’s not acceptable that all the evidence is circumstantial when someone is jailed for life without parole. Most of the psychologists being interviewed are labelling her as a psychopath - and yet the post notes scribbling were filled with declarations of panic, fear, despair and need. Isn’t part of being a psychopath the fact that one has no emotions or guilt? In fact it is not entirely clear that she was saying in her scribbling that she was guilty and evil because she murdered them or because she was a poor nurse who didn’t care for them properly. Her attitude in the Court was criticized as cold and indifferent…but, how is one expected to act in those circumstances - plus she was heavily medicated. I’ve also read…though I don’t know if this true…that after she left the unit, the hospital immediately stopped accepting very sick babies. I’m not saying she is not guilty because - she may well be. I am simply stating that I think this case needs further review in terms of hard evidence and background history.
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
Of course they reviewed all the deaths and she was present in every single one! There were no more deaths when she was removed
@irishcountrygirl78
@irishcountrygirl78 Жыл бұрын
​@heddaszczepanski9210 and it apparently started back up again when she returned from Ibiza.
@KingBee24
@KingBee24 Жыл бұрын
There were 30 deaths over the time period and she was present at 8 of them@@heddaszczepanski9210
@WeiYinChan
@WeiYinChan Жыл бұрын
Why is it not acceptable that all evidence is circumstantial? This is how shows like CSI is misleading people about how evidence work. Not every case need a DNA sample or finger print. Circumstantial evidence are still evidence. The babies were definitely murdered, they found artificial insulin and air bubbles in them that couldn’t have been there accidentally (there’s your physical evidence), she was the only one who could have done it given that she was there every single time, she was even witnessed by people of doing something to the babies seconds before they collapsed. That’s evidence enough. You also have a misunderstanding of what psychopath is… seriously people need to stop defending her
@JoJoTwins
@JoJoTwins Жыл бұрын
@samumoth, they got the wrong person. Lucy Letby might be a narcissist but not a psychopath killer. CLAIM: The deaths of the 7 babies in this case were initially considered unexplained. TRUTH: Autopsies were performed after death for 6 of the babies, and a specific cause of death was listed for 5 of them. The coroner found a cause of death in 5 out of 7 of the alleged murder cases. Two of them appeared to be, in part, related to aggressive CPR, two appeared to be due to undiagnosed hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy and myocarditis, one of the infants received no autopsy, and the other infant was determined to have died due to prematurity. It is highly unusual for the cause of death to be altered years after the fact and using methodology that is not supported by the coroner’s office. CLAIM: The babies died from air embolism, which was determined after the fact by an expert witness. TRUTH: The expert witness was not a pathologist. Air embolism can only be determined at the time of death using specific tests, which were not performed. The air embolism hypothesis is confusing because it fails to explain why some children apparently perished and others did not, and it has not been supported by the minimal necessary measurements. Air embolism cannot be determined by imaging, and can only be determined soon after death, and requires the extraction of air from the circulatory system, and analysis of the composition of the air using gas chromatography. CLAIM: Lucy Letby attacked a baby who was born at 23 weeks gestation, causing injuries to the white matter of her brain. TRUTH: Very premature babies often have white matter injuries due to prematurity alone. Parechovirus and enterovirus infection can also cause white matter injuries. In at least one case, Lucy is blamed with causing white matter brain injury. This claim is utterly dishonest. The infant who experienced this brain injury was born at 23 weeks gestation, and white matter brain injury is associated with such early births. Further, there is sufficient evidence that demonstrates that enterovirus and parechovirus infection has been linked to white matter brain injury in neonates, resulting in cerebral palsy. CLAIM: There was no evidence infection. TRUTH: The babies all showed many signs of viral infection, including changes to vital signs and poor feeding. CLAIM: Enterovirus is rare. TRUTH: There are many published reports of enterovirus outbreaks in the UK during 2015-16. In spring 2016, an outbreak was reported at a hospital a few hours away. At the time of the collapses and deaths of the infants, enterovirus and parechovirus had been reported in other hospitals. There is a history of outbreaks of these viruses in neonatal wards in hospitals around the world. They especially harm preterm infants who do not yet have a functioning immune system. It is reported that many parents of the infants were concerned that their ward had a virus (as was Lucy) and that Dr Gibbs denied this was so. To date we have seen no evidence to show they did any viral testing, and if they did what the results were. CLAIM: Blood tests prove that synthetic insulin was given to the babies. TRUTH: The presence of synthetic insulin cannot be established using the type of test that was performed. The testimony was false. The two claims of insulin poisoning are not supported by the testing conducted, and the infants (who are still alive and well) did not have dangerously low or dangerously high blood glucose levels for any period of time. There are many physiological reasons that could explain their low blood glucose during the whole period. In one of the two cases, assumptions are being made on the basis of one test taken at a single time point, clearly inconsistent with the other medical readings, and contravening the manufacturer’s own instructions for use. The report detailing the conclusions from that single test violates the code of practice of the forensic science regulator. Moreover, it appears that some numerical error has been made in the necessary calculation, resulting in an outcome which is physiologically impossible (or the person responsible did not know about the so-called “hook effect”). The mismatch between C-peptide and insulin concentration does not prove that the excess insulin found must have been synthetic insulin. There are many other biological explanations for a mismatch. No testing was done to determine the origin of the insulin. Similarly, there are many innocent explanations for the detection of some insulin in a Total Parenteral Nutrition (TPN) bag.
@HistoryFromAScot
@HistoryFromAScot Жыл бұрын
I think this kind of discourse is important. None of us knows the extent of the evidence but all major cases like this should be highly scrutinised, in the interest of the public.
@kayleyrobinson6591
@kayleyrobinson6591 Жыл бұрын
At what cost? Already cost the tax payer 3 million+
@galpandgalp
@galpandgalp 3 ай бұрын
The New Yorkers article is key.... there was no evidence..that is the issue....only guesses.they came up with a possible explanation to link up all the events (that they selected.adding more bias)....it has the same value as saying green men from Mars came in and did it
@StephASMR
@StephASMR Жыл бұрын
My baby fell on delivery and landed on her face. The midwife was new and should not have been alone. The umbilical cord broke on delivery and I had to have it manually removed. When I complained a few months later they denied it all… they said that there had been two midwives there and my daughter had never fallen. This was in Australia… they cover their mistakes.
@rosebud1493
@rosebud1493 Жыл бұрын
That's terrible and traumatic for both you and your little baby. I hope your daughter was ok.
@druvadava9080
@druvadava9080 Жыл бұрын
Is the baby alright??
@sheilabutterworth5800
@sheilabutterworth5800 Жыл бұрын
@@druvadava9080 read it above again x
@Laura-fh3sc
@Laura-fh3sc Жыл бұрын
Wow that's awful! So sorry. I hope your daughter had no lasting damage?
@natashajovic7080
@natashajovic7080 Жыл бұрын
May I ask how long ago this was? I will be having a baby is AUS soon.. very nervous
@hautedoctor2738
@hautedoctor2738 Жыл бұрын
Unless we were in court and had access to all of the evidence put forward by the prosecution and defence, we can't say the jury made the wrong decision.
@nrw34260
@nrw34260 Жыл бұрын
12 people agreed
@therighthonsirdoug
@therighthonsirdoug Жыл бұрын
​@nrw34260 They were majority decisions and not unanimous and the final jury was of 11.
@Hammybread
@Hammybread Жыл бұрын
With the evidence presented, the notes, the text messages(sus as F to refer to them living and dying being "Fate") I'd say they made the right call, oh yeah lets not forget that babies actually SURVIVED WHILE SHE WAS ON HOLIDAY AND STARTED DYING AGAIN WHEN SHE CAME BACK. Its not rocket science, the signs and evidence are there. You all wouldn't be saying "we can't say if its actually true" if a man was being convicted right? but because its a woman oh she gets a free pass its ok.
@ashwayn
@ashwayn Жыл бұрын
@@nrw34260 see film 12 just men
@nrw34260
@nrw34260 Жыл бұрын
@@therighthonsirdoug OK, 11 out of 12 then
@teslaandhumanity7383
@teslaandhumanity7383 Жыл бұрын
Have to keep an open mind , moms we’re put in jail for cot deaths , and over baby deathS .
@Ida_Dunne_Moore
@Ida_Dunne_Moore Жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly. Poor Sally Clarke
@abrin5508
@abrin5508 Жыл бұрын
The guy being interviewed is correct. Anyone with a scientific, statistical, medical or even common sense background knows that this conviction is extremely unsafe.
@eddieshredder5740
@eddieshredder5740 Жыл бұрын
Funny how it's only the men that think this "pretty" nurse is innocent
@kgbgb3663
@kgbgb3663 Жыл бұрын
@@eddieshredder5740 No, it's people who are numerate, understand science, and are sensitive to logical and statistical fallacies. And have a strong sense of justice. Those properties may or may not be correlated with being a man.
@leah1633
@leah1633 Жыл бұрын
@@eddieshredder5740 i'm a woman and believe she could well be innocent
@alenagonzales9489
@alenagonzales9489 Жыл бұрын
@@eddieshredder5740 I’m a woman who works in a medical field and I’m not a 100%convinced. The evidence is shaky.
@8964TS
@8964TS Жыл бұрын
You've seen the evidence? How did you get a seat in court?@@alenagonzales9489
@johnmercer3571
@johnmercer3571 Жыл бұрын
There have been unsafe murder convictions the courts have overturned before. The NHS is in disarray. It’s entirely possible she’d been used as a scapegoat and thrown under the bus to cover NHS negligence.
@adrianwilliams469
@adrianwilliams469 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you
@davidhughes2725
@davidhughes2725 Жыл бұрын
So do I tbh
@kerrieannebaker8595
@kerrieannebaker8595 Жыл бұрын
hear hear
@jeanettedevereux7664
@jeanettedevereux7664 Жыл бұрын
Science on trial..... check out
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
Then the police would have unearthed that! The investigation took months
@kham6006
@kham6006 Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing they never put cameras in after the first 2 deaths -they do it if they think a mother is harming a child m by proxy
@ryand141
@ryand141 Жыл бұрын
Well, it definitely should've happened after suspicion, because now, it's just fuelling speculation she's innocent. There's no real evidence.
@pjsmith2744
@pjsmith2744 Жыл бұрын
@@ryand141theirs no evidence.
@pjsmith2744
@pjsmith2744 Жыл бұрын
@@solomansoundstotally agree mate.
@mauriceraphael5901
@mauriceraphael5901 Жыл бұрын
As an ex nurse I am amazed that Lucy Letby could have been left alone on a 12 hour shift this alone must have been illegal,
@tamararutland-mills9530
@tamararutland-mills9530 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@christopherlogan9315
@christopherlogan9315 6 ай бұрын
This whole thing stinks of an NHS cover up. Lucy Letby must be given a fair and proper appeal. If you're going to give someone a WHOLE life tariff, you have to be 100% certain. This is way too dodgy and fooling less and less people by the day.
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 4 ай бұрын
They are 💯 Study the case
@a.urbanchuk513
@a.urbanchuk513 Жыл бұрын
The police should have been contacted from the start. Then if anything these children would be alive
@iguiste23
@iguiste23 Жыл бұрын
@darthpepe2994 Yes they should, even if it is a tragic and natural death yes the police should 100% always attend the death of a new born child to rule fowl play out to begin with. The fact we don't do this is a huge part of the reason a lot of things like this happen. The deaths of the other six were easily preventable if the police had just been called for the first to rule it out as standard practice to in fact find out something was off. It only takes for the police to suspect one case of fowl play to prevent even more deaths.
@meredithisme3752
@meredithisme3752 Жыл бұрын
Management refused to involve police
@a.urbanchuk513
@a.urbanchuk513 Жыл бұрын
@@meredithisme3752 that is disgusting and this person ended up killing how many more before being charged? It's a sick way people know days.
@RowntreeRobin
@RowntreeRobin Жыл бұрын
@darthpepe2994 As if the hospitals have any good reputations at all! After covid, all hospitals are guilty of crimes against humanity.
@Judasallen-ex9fl
@Judasallen-ex9fl Жыл бұрын
Police are to busy eating coffee and donuts and more interested in expired car insurance unfortunately
@DD-gt2cv
@DD-gt2cv Жыл бұрын
I understood that insulin was found in at least 2 without C peptide, which is indictaive of deliberate addition. Also the fact that the death rate has reverted to the norm since her removal , is rather significant.
@uniquerebeljaney3639
@uniquerebeljaney3639 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that's correct, this barrister is talking bollocks.
@mrsthatcher9815
@mrsthatcher9815 Жыл бұрын
no he isnt - he is saying that there was no evidence other than circumstantial which is shaky - i agree she likely was guilty but you cant say 100% without DNA for example@@uniquerebeljaney3639
@pedazodetorpedo
@pedazodetorpedo Жыл бұрын
He doesn't understand the medical evidence
@think-islam-channel
@think-islam-channel Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@bradleyday5829
@bradleyday5829 Жыл бұрын
Since her removal, it is believed that the hospital stopped taking babies with highly complex needs!
@pawewesierski5933
@pawewesierski5933 Жыл бұрын
As a nurse, I’m not convinced there was any direct evidence that Lucy let by did anything. She didn’t take baby note home either… it was handover notes and I don’t know one nurse who hasn’t done this, purely by accident.
@Kaioken20
@Kaioken20 Жыл бұрын
Purely be accident she had all the handover notes of babies affected and others yet to be affected? You don't have to believe it. You're right. It's a fact there was no direct evidence of her guilt. Just stacks and stacks and stacks and stacks of indirect evidence she had no retort for. But hey, if she's as innocent as you all are making out then I am certain one of the many innocence projects will come to her aid.
@Ida_Dunne_Moore
@Ida_Dunne_Moore Жыл бұрын
​@@Kaioken20 Where did you hear the notes only regarded deceased babies? It's not true. She had a load, student nurses are told to take them home as part of study. They have to document a lot. This includes diaries. The same goes for the Facebook searches - she looked up many happy former patients, too. I'm sure, with a specialist paediatrician, statisticians, nurses and lawyers already kicking off about this a project will be incoming. The level of manipulation and cherry picking with grievous omissions should scare anyone
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
It wasnt just the notes that convicted her. She was present at all the murders. I believe the case was thoroughly investigated.
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
@@Kaioken20 its not just her notes. I believe she is guilty as charged
@timmytee734
@timmytee734 Жыл бұрын
Wtf are you all talking about, she had notes in her apartment that "i kill babies" "I'm evil" You are all out of your mind dumb females!
@nickrichardson9353
@nickrichardson9353 Жыл бұрын
The barrister at no time said she was innocent but that the evidence had all the makings of a miss trial.
@kevphillips02
@kevphillips02 Жыл бұрын
Barristers will never commit even if they are on your side . They discuss the evidence and its strengths . It is not unusual .
@billybonds4449
@billybonds4449 Жыл бұрын
Most of the poor circumstantial evidence was as bent as a nine bob note.
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
@@billybonds4449 well actually it wasnt! If this wasnt a thorough investigation taking years, then I dont know what is. She was found guilty, end of.
@ABC-dw7pe
@ABC-dw7pe Жыл бұрын
@@heddaszczepanski9210 exactly, complete load of conspiratorial cr4p people are coming up with here. “Lucy didn’t do anything- that’s why she hasn’t spoke up in her own defence, didn’t come to sentencing to make her mark etc etc “ all the holes in their arguments are laughable
@billybonds4449
@billybonds4449 Жыл бұрын
@@heddaszczepanski9210 Doesn't matter how long the investigation took Knob Head. 4 weeks or four years, the evidence was manufactured to suit the narrative of a scapegoat that had to be found to divert attention from the real evil tw*ts who contributed to those unfortunate deaths. END OF!!!!!!!!!!!!
@dmounsey1
@dmounsey1 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching everything about the trial that I can find and I can’t say that I find anything that proves guilt. I scratch my head and wonder if this was a witch hunt. I pray to god they got the right person for the sake of all the babies.
@kerrieannebaker8595
@kerrieannebaker8595 Жыл бұрын
agreed
@lf9341
@lf9341 Жыл бұрын
Are you insane? She has notes she wrote saying she is evil and did this.
@andrewg2618
@andrewg2618 Жыл бұрын
lol c'mon. Look at her face and look at her notes. She's a nutter in any case.
@vickisocks
@vickisocks Жыл бұрын
The notes also say 'i did nothing wrong'.
@miacat1727
@miacat1727 Жыл бұрын
Apparently only the incriminating notes were presented, whereas the many, many other notes that could have provided a counter balance, were not disclosed. This is blatant, cherry picking, which is a crimes in itself. Same with the attendance mandate, deliberate manipulation of one staff member present on the ward but way of exclusion of the others. Norman Fenton interview with Dr Scott McLachan, gives an open, experience alternative to the verdict & what the MSM are forcing on us to believe.
@laurareardon6674
@laurareardon6674 Жыл бұрын
patterns aren't evidence, they are only a reason for further investigation
@captainplatinum
@captainplatinum Жыл бұрын
I’ve smelt a rat from the start . None of this stacks up under scrutiny
@darkoz1692
@darkoz1692 Жыл бұрын
So in the eyes of the presenter, a miscarriage of justice never happens nor has ever happened.
@lesley9989
@lesley9989 Жыл бұрын
No one is saying there never are, but it doesn't mean every case is
@noelpucarua2843
@noelpucarua2843 5 ай бұрын
@@lesley9989 It works both ways. Your logic also indicates that because someone is fond guilty it means that there was no miscarriage of justice.
@lesley9989
@lesley9989 5 ай бұрын
@@noelpucarua2843 I never said that. I've explained there are miscarriages of justice. It's exactly what I put! Read my comment and logic again. There are miscarriages of justice but it it doesn't mean every case is. Unsure how it isn't clear.
@noelpucarua2843
@noelpucarua2843 5 ай бұрын
@@lesley9989 You are unclear because you brought up "every case". "Every case" includes those cases where the miscarriage of justice has not yet been recognised by the courts. There are still miscarriages of justice and people are in jail because of it. No one is claiming that "every case is", as you put it, a miscarriage of justice. If I am wrong please tell me who said "every case is". I can't find it in the video or the comments. I think your argument is a Red Herring.
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 4 ай бұрын
We a looking at this case and no there is no miscarriage....the facts speak for themselves
@dontbewoke
@dontbewoke Жыл бұрын
The death rate rose to above the levels when Letby worked there as litte as 1-2 years later ; I'd have thought that on its own is evidence that the verdict was unsafe.
@LPCLASSICAL
@LPCLASSICAL 5 ай бұрын
Source for that claim please?
@mjrtom102
@mjrtom102 Жыл бұрын
I went out with a nurse who would come home crying when one of her patients had died - it's entirely normal that Lucy Letby was upset at the death of a baby and write down how she feels evil and guilty probably because she feels if she had less of a work load she could have spent more time with each of the babies in her care - Lucy Letby is more than likely the hospitals scape goat and not guilty at all.
@andyryan3756
@andyryan3756 Жыл бұрын
100 % she has been scapegoated
@christopherlloyd98
@christopherlloyd98 Жыл бұрын
Yes, Andy, you have it…..Lucy, lodging complaints against more senior Staff - the perfect “Fall Guy”. Lucy’s only “fault”, if you can call it that, is that she put herself in harm’s way, in the direct line of fire, for a classic “fit - up”. 😊👶
@lesley9989
@lesley9989 Жыл бұрын
​@@andyryan3756and why scapegoated? The hospital wouldn't have suffered anyway so what's the motive for the scapegoat, a poor CQC report?
@lesley9989
@lesley9989 Жыл бұрын
​@@christopherlloyd98I don't agree and there was no reason to scapegoat anyone.
@andyryan3756
@andyryan3756 Жыл бұрын
@@lesley9989 that trust was one of the worst performing trusts and the death rate amongst neonates was even higher in 2018 and 19 then when Lucy letby was there. ONS data proves that. I’m not looking to start and argument Lesley. The data shows it all. That’s not me just spouting off. X
@Goldenlion148
@Goldenlion148 Жыл бұрын
There was a mountain of evidence gathered together over two years.. 2 things stand out for me the fact that when these catastrophic incidents happened Letby was the only one who was on duty in every case and that when she was not present for any length of time the incidence of these events dropped dramatically. And the fact that she had in her home medical notes for these babies which had been altered. It is a well known fact that insulin overdose and air pumped into the body are exceptionally difficult to detect post mortem. Overfeeding would also be difficult to determine. The fact that 2 previous babies under her care did have blood tests and produced the result of exceptional high insulin levels at the time but were ignored. They survived so were not part of the investigation. It is no good this barrister saying you cannot say there was a pattern so it does not prove her guilt. It happened too many times so does show a pattern. No one has that many coincidences. Murderers often kill in the same manner targeting the same kind of victim again and again as Letby has apparently done. 7 doctors had their suspicions about her so it is not just one doctor who didn't like her. It is very common for psychopaths to have 2 completely different personalities which they use to manipulate and hide their darker side. One appearing really nice, normal, quiet, appearing benevolent, kind and helpful whilst hiding a truly evil persona which has no feelings whatsoever. Which is why people cannot believe that this person is capable of such evil. But they are.
@explorer0213
@explorer0213 Жыл бұрын
Narrcissist too cluster b personalities over lap.
@Malayalikada
@Malayalikada Жыл бұрын
Narcissistic Personality disorder
@gainsbourg66
@gainsbourg66 Жыл бұрын
Incredible that all the evidence is circumstancial. Odd that the mainstream media have not mentioned this fact. We're told that the accused was extremely skillful at covering up her tracks. Now where have I heard that before?
@deeperlife5689
@deeperlife5689 Жыл бұрын
⁠​⁠@@gainsbourg66 Most criminal convictions are based on circumstantial evidence, although it must be adequate to meet established standards of proof. Just because evidence is circumstantial doesn’t mean it doesn’t meet standards of proof it’s why the judicial system has to be robust : you must piece it all together and then determine whether or not it leads to a reasonable conclusion about the fact which is to be proved. When people are falsely found guilty because of circumstantial evidence there are always other factors at play such as the actions of the Police. In Letby’s case I understand that 257 handover sheets were found at her home documents that should not have left the hospital. A note of medications given to a baby boy was among items found under Letby's bed after her arrest. The record of emergency drugs provided to the infant was written on a paper towel found in her home these are just a few pieces of circumstantial evidence. Letby can appeal if she claims a miscarriage of justice but what shouldn’t happen is that the deaths of the babies are just passed off as nothing. Is Letby saying she didn’t have the handover notes at home why did she have them why did she write that she did it?
@BobK5
@BobK5 Жыл бұрын
@@deeperlife5689did the police put the handover sheets into context by investigating how many other nurses had taken handover sheets home?, no they didn’t so we don’t know whether this is a common practice or not but just on its own it looks bad for the suspect, the police want it to look bad for the suspect. The barrister pointed out that the context in which the damming note had been written had not been emphasised, again making it look really bad. There doesn’t appear to have been any suggestion that the police investigated what had occurred in the way of suspicious incidents on Letby’s days off, focusing only on when she was there, it’s all a picture, a pattern portrayed by the police who found no direct evidence that anyone had actually been murdered only speculation and hypothesis. Maybe they ought to investigate the abnormally high morbidity rate in baby deaths at Staffordshire hospital and see if they can build a circumstantial case around anyone there or get Letby accused of committing those on her days off, there might be a pattern. Mr Malkinson has just been freed after spending 17 years in prison for a rape he did not commit, he maintained his innocence and was only freed because of a dna sample otherwise he’d still be locked up an innocent man, I’m sure there was also claimed overwhelming evidence against him at the time of his conviction, he was labelled as a monster. Mr McDonald is just saying that a sense of caution needs to applied as things aren’t always as they appear.
@gillmillington4459
@gillmillington4459 4 ай бұрын
I absolutely believe that Lucy Letby is innocent, and I also believe it was the hospital covering up the failures of the consultants
@WellTrue
@WellTrue 3 ай бұрын
Finally people realising Lucy was a scapegoat for a badly failing NHS and its Doctors
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 3 ай бұрын
How do you account for her lies and taking home notes that were found at her house
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 3 ай бұрын
Yes the hospital was at fault in alot of ways however before LL arrived it didn't have the mortality rate as high ...did it
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 3 ай бұрын
Yes it was failing ...a perfect situation for someone like LL
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 2 ай бұрын
@WellTrue no she wasn't...yes the NHS was and is failing but that isn't why Lucy Letby murdered those babies.Two different things
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 2 ай бұрын
@WellTrue No scapegoat she murdered those babies
@BunyanaRed1958
@BunyanaRed1958 Жыл бұрын
Some people might be under the impression that this Barrister is auditioning his services for an appeal. Some people might think that.
@abacussin
@abacussin Жыл бұрын
For a man that didn't sit through the presenting of evidence he seems quite sure that there are flaws, a real columbo.
@yorkshirelass8786
@yorkshirelass8786 Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I thought.
@yorkshirelass8786
@yorkshirelass8786 Жыл бұрын
​@MarkJones-gt2qdthe comment didn't say anything about taking her right to appeal away. It pointed out that it came across to some like he was auditioning his services... and it did.
@lindapayne1595
@lindapayne1595 Жыл бұрын
​@MarkJones-gt2qdpity that didn't work for Andy Malkinson.
@Ayo.Ajisafe
@Ayo.Ajisafe Жыл бұрын
@@TOM-TOM-TOMExcept nobody is talking about the system, we are talking about a specific case. For this guy to come on here speaking like this when he obviously doesn't know the minutiae of the evidence and reasoning used to convict is as irresponsible as your attempt to deflect from the ops point is strange.
@ruthbashford3176
@ruthbashford3176 Жыл бұрын
After reading SCIENCE ON TRIAL rexvlucyletby I am convinced Lucy Letby is innocent.
@steviegee8413
@steviegee8413 4 ай бұрын
Good old women and their feelings and emotions eh? How about looking at the facts that are all suspicious when put together. Why did she write incriminating notes in her journal? Why was she talking like she was guilty in text messages? Why was she looking up parents on FB? Why did babies get better when she was on holiday? Each on their own is not enough to convict her but when you put ALL those suspicious pieces together, it adds up. I've done jury service twice and both times the judge directs you on how to find someone guilty or not guilty by following the facts and logic and piecing it all together. Let's take the text messages to friends. Yes she could well be feeling guilt as she was responsible for those babies care, but surely in those texts there'd be context like "I know it wasn't my fault but I just can't help but feel responsible, they were in my care." If not, if it's just ramblings of guilt, then it looks suspicious. Then add that to the journal notes of being evil, of seeing what parents post on FB in the wake of their childs death etc and that's pretty weird, creepy and not normal behaviour. She said she didn't remember doing it but the evidence was on her computer. No explanation also looks suspicious. Babies that were healthy suddenly got sick for no reason. She worked night shift a lot so there's less people around. Babies recovering from an illness suddenly got sicker in her care. Healthy babies suddenly suffered low blood sugar levels on her watch, these were the subject of insulin injections. Now add all that up together and tell me she still looks totally innocent.
@johnmccaffery5824
@johnmccaffery5824 4 ай бұрын
@@steviegee8413 I'd hate to be on trial and have you as a jury member - hearsay specialist.
@steviegee8413
@steviegee8413 4 ай бұрын
@@johnmccaffery5824 Yeah that's right you got me. Sad little person that can only mudsling, aren't you. How about challenge me on what I said, be a man and have a discussion? As before, been on jury service twice, looked at all evidence and facts, took direction from the judge and came to a conclusion. Without seeing or hearing all this evidence for myself it's hard to say for sure, and you don't know either, but from what we know so far, it's not looking good. That's not hearsay btw, it's circumstantial. I see you avoided using that term cos it wouldn't help your argument much. Now, try to come back with some grown up thoughts and have a discussion, or leave it there cos I wasn't talking to you anyway Mr white knight
@Queenofgreen515
@Queenofgreen515 4 ай бұрын
I’d like to see a re examination of this case. Because it seems to me that they scapegoated Letby. I don’t think she’s guilty. My gut tells me she’s innocent.
@LittleJoyJar
@LittleJoyJar Жыл бұрын
Could those notes of been her writing down her bad beliefs about herself? Rather than a confession?
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
Well, regardless, they were notes of a very disturbed person and she certainly didnt look disturbed but she was! I think she was 100% guilty. The management protected her until they couldnt any more!
@jeanettedevereux7664
@jeanettedevereux7664 Жыл бұрын
👏
@vetworker
@vetworker Жыл бұрын
@@jeanettedevereux7664another sheep who always believes the media. Because you’ve been told she is guilty you automatically think she is and can’t/ won’t believe maybe she is innocent. 🐑 🐑🐑🐑🐑
@holycannoli64
@holycannoli64 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a Freudian cathartic exercise. It's not proof of anything to anyone with a functional intellect.
@ryand141
@ryand141 Жыл бұрын
Yes, possibly. There's absolutely no evidence. Why weren't autopsies done?
@Misskimalee-b5p
@Misskimalee-b5p Жыл бұрын
At first I thought she was absolutely guilty but listening to all the evidence, I’m not so sure.
@dazlivepoolkop5717
@dazlivepoolkop5717 Жыл бұрын
Use your head man , if you were innocent , you’d be screaming bloody murder , not Lucy. 🤔
@Friendofstfrank
@Friendofstfrank Жыл бұрын
​@@debraisherwood9985there is no 'one way science, hon' and I have watched those claiming that 1 way science to justify what they say. The problem is it is not science just bs and I say that as a scientist (social psychology, ecology and demography), statistician, and a person with 40+ years of investigations of suspicious deaths-partivukarly child deaths under my belt.
@poopoppy
@poopoppy Жыл бұрын
@@dazlivepoolkop5717 What if your council told you to keep your mouth shut? These comments are depressing. The fact that people like you, are maybe eligible for jury duty scares me.
@dazlivepoolkop5717
@dazlivepoolkop5717 Жыл бұрын
You know why they would tell you to keep your mouth shut , because the evidence is overbearing 🤦🏼‍♂️
@Theothesleeper
@Theothesleeper 6 ай бұрын
They are covering up a huge mistake I bet. They know it will cost them billions and their own freedom. They find a meek woman and place it all on her by cooking up a juicy story they know the public will eat up. Remember what Dave chappelle once said? They are geniuses at turning nothing into something to turn everyone against you
@stephenclarke8864
@stephenclarke8864 Жыл бұрын
Nobody checking her work , left to her own devices , managers in the building on 6 figure sums
@donny121able
@donny121able Жыл бұрын
You propose everybody that works needs to be under constant supervision?
@roymills9334
@roymills9334 Жыл бұрын
@@donny121able Most people in most jobs have supervisors. Not constantly, but they are there or should be.
@donny121able
@donny121able Жыл бұрын
@@roymills9334 yes that right, Lucy had a supervisor too.
@stephenclarke8864
@stephenclarke8864 Жыл бұрын
@donny121able yes my work is as a carpenter for social housing
@donny121able
@donny121able Жыл бұрын
@@stephenclarke8864 So you have helpers and you are constantly watching them work? At no time are they free to work on their own initiative?
@andrewfletcher6476
@andrewfletcher6476 Жыл бұрын
So who injected the insulin into those two babies? Letby even said it had to be on purpose. Only her and one other nurse were present when both of events happened. Letby also was the only nurse present for all 7 murders and a further 10 attempted murders. The only one. There were also post mortems on some of the babies who were judged, by two independent experts, to have died from air embollis. These show up in xrays. There was also toxicology reports showing exogenous insulin that got missed. So there was evidence. She also had notes from the victims, facebooked the families of the victims, wrote she was ‘evil’ and ‘she did this’, she behaved strangely in front of the parents grieving with their dead baby; one parent is adamant she caught her in the act of killing her child. Two consultants became increasingly suspicious of her. Again, one caught her alone with a baby whilst it was crashing, alarms not bleeping, and said she was doing nothing. He went in there to check as he had a bad feeling about her when he learned one nurses asked letby to look after the child when she was on a break. He needs to look through the trial. There was toxicology and autopsy reports showing they were murdered.
@leah1633
@leah1633 Жыл бұрын
The insulin is the only piece of evidence that I would want answers to had I been a juror . Apart from that I believe she could be innocent .... All purely circumstantial .... There was errors in some of the babies care since day 1 .... Letby had medical notes in her room dating back to 2011. Nobody turns into an evil psychopath overnight
@fredneecher1746
@fredneecher1746 Жыл бұрын
Someone was there for the highest number of deaths and that person happened to be Letby. She was there for 13 of the 31 babies who died.
@henryworthington8261
@henryworthington8261 Жыл бұрын
How can she be the only one when there were 18 babies in the unit and the ratio is at least 1 nurse to 2 babies?
@henryworthington8261
@henryworthington8261 Жыл бұрын
Everyone facebooks, possibly less now we know this can be traced. I think the consultant being interviewed almost crying as he talks about the deaths was more suspicious. These sad demises were a good while ago now. I can talk about loved ones I miss dreadfully without emotion in my voice. He himself must be used to babies dying. There are still many still births. Vets become hardened to putting down animals even though they would prefer to help them. It’s all rather confusing but one has to keep a level head.
@jeepxj8903
@jeepxj8903 Жыл бұрын
I believe the hospital has long suffered from poor management, under staffing and poor hygiene amongst many issues highlighted in inspections over the years. The latest i think was as recently as 2021 or 2022 . It was also reported that the neonatal department was so bad at one point, that the number of babies being treated had to be reduced by treating them at neighbouring hospitals. It is reported that despite the lower numbers, the death rate remained high. The fact that there are questions over the conviction, must mean that "beyond doubt" has not been achieved..... A search of CofC hospital brings lots of info and reports, that the ONS, hospital and NHS have released.
@deanvm9158
@deanvm9158 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe there was no camera in any of those hospitals she worked in.
@ciaomuffet
@ciaomuffet Жыл бұрын
Good point.
@ElementsMMA
@ElementsMMA Жыл бұрын
Firstly it's not hospital policy, due to privacy laws. Secondly the expense of fitting cameras to every ward up and down the UK would be unfathomable.
@Q101-k4p
@Q101-k4p Жыл бұрын
It it expansive for the system, but if a parent want to set up their own camera (having the the hospital provide WiFi and electricity), it it possible?
@ElementsMMA
@ElementsMMA Жыл бұрын
Thats a difficult one, at present although there is nothing stopping people from filming in the wards, technically they would require the permission of any person that was captured on film, so shared wards would be a no, and if nurses or healthcare professionals did not grant permission then the filming would be extremely limited. Thats to the best of my knowledge in terms of current privacy laws. In public it is completely different and a person can film whatever they choose to, but a hospital ward is not a public space.@@Q101-k4p
@KJ-lb4tj
@KJ-lb4tj Жыл бұрын
​@@ElementsMMAfair enough... But when there are suspicions and many deaths on an icu unit, there are incredibly cheap and small and undetectable cameras that can be placed in a room.
@eleveneleven572
@eleveneleven572 Жыл бұрын
I worked at a senior level in a sheltered housing division and later in a medical charity. I inherited NHS staff in the first and worked with the same in the latter. In both situations the NHS staff, all female, were lacking in empathy, care and professionalism. In my first job i got rid of them ..with very swift improvements for the residents. In the latter i had no direct influence but did my hest to raise concerns and after a long time staff changes and management structures were changed. Frankly i think the NHS is very deeply flawed. Most people have horror stories about their own experiences and of loved ones.
@dianeshannon7988
@dianeshannon7988 Жыл бұрын
Frankly???
@SoldUrSoul24982
@SoldUrSoul24982 Жыл бұрын
​@@dianeshannon7988Yes frankly. What is your problem?
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
And your point is🧐???
@SoldUrSoul24982
@SoldUrSoul24982 Жыл бұрын
@@heddaszczepanski9210 They stated their point. You stated Lucy is guilty elsewhere. What's your source, for your reason to state that!?🧐
@SoldUrSoul24982
@SoldUrSoul24982 Жыл бұрын
Good on you for getting rid of those ones lacking in empathy, care & professionalism. In the latter, when you raised concerns, I noticed that staff changes & management structures were changed. But, were your concerns acted upon in any way? Did you have the same management & same staffs, in the same place still, where you are? What was the change please?
@therange4033
@therange4033 Жыл бұрын
He says nothing found in the system BUT they found insulin in a baby who was NOT prescribed it!
@jeanettecardinal790
@jeanettecardinal790 Жыл бұрын
Lots of Lucy Letby 's friends and family here.
@tinygold772
@tinygold772 Жыл бұрын
One of the babies mother had gestational diabetes and it’s shown that insulin can and does pass via the placenta to baby’s blood stream and for the other baby in question they were administered insulin 5 days prior to the blood tests - also the levels of insulin found were so high as to kill two grown men yet both of these babies recovered? How is that possible if it was in fact synthetic insulin? There are other medical explanations for these blood test results that exclude it being added via a glucose or feeding bag - they actually point more to it not being administered at all but being present in blood tests results for other reasons - ie transmitted via placenta for one and for the other being in the blood stream for a longer than the usual half life due to other processes when it was documented as being administered 5 days before the blood tests- there simply is not any evidence that synthetic insulin was maliciously added to feed or glucose drip or at all
@projectObject247
@projectObject247 Жыл бұрын
Differentiate between insulin and synthetic insulin. You can't.
@therange4033
@therange4033 Жыл бұрын
You can. @@projectObject247
@ChelleKT1
@ChelleKT1 Жыл бұрын
Doesn’t mean she administered it though.
@gonnahavemesomefun
@gonnahavemesomefun 4 ай бұрын
I've spent the last 7 years in and out of the NHS due to cancer. There is a strange undercurrent within the NHS of self-protection, arrogance and over-confidence (or ignorance). There are plenty of really caring people. But the majority of my experience of the NHS staff is they are people doing a job that's pretty easy to get a job doing. A little bit like local council workers. They're not the sharpest tools in the shed, but once they are indoctrinated into the NHS they develop a sense of self-importance.
@nanlog4303
@nanlog4303 Жыл бұрын
I agree with this barrister. There are many things about this case that troubles me. I believe she deserves a retrial at the very least.
@Padraigp
@Padraigp Жыл бұрын
Maybe those nurses who were exxonerated....werent actually innocent. And got away with it from lack of evidence.
@pedazodetorpedo
@pedazodetorpedo Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@fusionfan6883
@fusionfan6883 Жыл бұрын
No they were exonerated after conviction.
@ZaydDepaor
@ZaydDepaor Жыл бұрын
indeed he doesn't apply his own logic.
@Padraigp
@Padraigp Жыл бұрын
@@ZaydDepaor yes he uses patterns of past crimes and then says all the proescution are doing is looking for patterns lol!
@MegBlyth
@MegBlyth Жыл бұрын
The two babies who were poisoned with insulin did have evidence that they were deliberately poisoned and she herself agreed that a deliberate act was the only way that they could have had that much insulin in their system. So it’s not true that there is no toxicology screenings at all. He should have sat through the trial if he was going to comment on it.
@KK-jf4oo
@KK-jf4oo Жыл бұрын
Well said !
@coleuk8817
@coleuk8817 Жыл бұрын
The insulin issue is certainly not cut-and-dried. Different experts offer up perfectly plausible other potential explanations for its presence that do not involve being them deliberately injected.
@davidowen2859
@davidowen2859 Жыл бұрын
I'm afraid that a deliberate act is not the only way the two babies could have died from insulin poisoning. Both infants who reportedly showed increased concentration of insulin were at significant risk for the production of autoantibodies to insulin. Child F was treated with insulin in the days prior, which is related to the production of autoantibodies, while Child L was born to a mother who was seriously unwell and had a diagnosis of gestational diabetes. Gestational diabetes is associated with hyperinsulinemia The production of maternal antibodies to insulin in response to maternal insulin treatment can result in insulin readily crossing the placenta. As for Lucy Letby agreeing with the prosecution that they were deliberately poisoned, if you are presented with so called irrefutable evidence that it was a deliberate act then any sensible person would be bound to agree. The point I'm making is that unless the defence has access to scientific experts the jury have only a blinkered view. This case is complex. Two of the babies were removed from mechanical ventilation with no apparent reasoning and later collapsed. One was removed three times!
@francishooper9548
@francishooper9548 Жыл бұрын
Even if the insulin was deliberately introduced into the babies ( and I agree this is not proven) how is not known and neither is who did it. There was a case here in Australia where a woman was convicted of murder after 3 of her 4 children died over a period of about 4 years. How they died was not known, there was no motive (she was described as a loving mother by people who knew her). She was convicted on the basis of her having opportunity. It was subsequently found that all her children had a rare genetic condition which could bring about sudden death. Only after a public outcry was she "pardoned" and release - the conviction remains.
@coleuk8817
@coleuk8817 Жыл бұрын
@@davidowen2859 Thank you for this. One of the huge flaws in the case is the fact such critical evidence was seemingly not submitted in court. Dr Scott McLachan is among those pointing fingers at her defence team, while also acknowledging her King's Counsel was restricted in what he was allowed to ask and submit in court.
@r1pperuk
@r1pperuk Жыл бұрын
This case did smack of no real evidence.
@Friendofstfrank
@Friendofstfrank Жыл бұрын
25000 pages of evidence is not 'no evidence'.
@poopoppy
@poopoppy Жыл бұрын
@@Friendofstfrank That is not relevant how many pages. It's what evidence those pages contain. Not the amount of pages.
@Iain1962
@Iain1962 Жыл бұрын
Nonsense the statistical evidence is overwhelming, much higher death rate than could be expected and she was on duty for every case.
@DailyCorvid
@DailyCorvid Жыл бұрын
Only a crooked lawyer would think that post-natal abortions for babies with asthma and hair lips could _ever_ be defended. These two deserve grenades in each orifice.
@charlytaylor1748
@charlytaylor1748 Жыл бұрын
This is all true, but 100% of the evidence is circumstantial. It's a horrible trap.
@Iain1962
@Iain1962 Жыл бұрын
@@charlytaylor1748 It's the nature of the case. You could also say that 100% of the evidence against say Jimmy Savile is circumstantial and based on heresay and claims.
@johnclegg4993
@johnclegg4993 Жыл бұрын
When she was off or went on holiday, no deaths hmmmm.
@Paulstrickland01
@Paulstrickland01 Жыл бұрын
​@@charlytaylor1748Her confession note isn't circumstantial though.
@Nihilinstar
@Nihilinstar Жыл бұрын
What about the babies who had excessive levels of insulin? They were looked at right after death. Is there another explanation for the excess insulin? Also the baby who’s stomach content was measured after projectile vomiting over the nursery and still had the normal amount of milk in his/her stomach and it is testified to by witness that Letby was the only one with the baby and fed him/her.
@winstonsmith7801
@winstonsmith7801 Жыл бұрын
Did the deaths cease after she was taken off the ward ?
@anddontcallmeshirley-
@anddontcallmeshirley- Жыл бұрын
But my erection didn't.
@Moonstone115
@Moonstone115 Жыл бұрын
Yes they did, when she had 2 weeks off holiday then attacked 2 of a set of triplets when she came 'back with a bang' in her words. As soon as she was taken off the ward, there has only been 1 death in 7 years.
@rebeccalloyd3098
@rebeccalloyd3098 Жыл бұрын
That is not correct. The hospital was downgraded and no longer allowed that level of premature baby.
@winstonsmith7801
@winstonsmith7801 Жыл бұрын
@@rebeccalloyd3098 Stop embarrassing yourself.
@heatherhigson342
@heatherhigson342 Жыл бұрын
Says everything doesn’t it .. he’s defending a killer
@catherinehumphries3382
@catherinehumphries3382 26 күн бұрын
As a nurse. I kept my hand over sheets. I only ever put initials on them, scanned them, and kept them in a passworded folder on my computer. When you look after so many people and are so pressed for time, you don't remember details. I can tell you right back to 2015 who I cared for what was handed over to me, and what interventions I did during a shift. I had a tutor who was a medicolegal expert witness and she advised me to keep a personal record because if something goes wrong and you have to give evidence, you won't remember a bloody thing. It's a task orientated profession and you do everything by the skin of your teeth and on auto pilot. Dont ever think that SLT will not back you if something goes wrong, they are Cooperate and they will throw you to the wolves if they are under threat. Keep your own account or you will come unstuck if the optics are not in their favour.
@Buckbury
@Buckbury Жыл бұрын
This case further supports the unprofessional role of hospital management, a root and branch reorganisation plus the reappraisal of the level of managers over health professionals.
@citizenphaid1880
@citizenphaid1880 Жыл бұрын
Ooh you can’t say that…apparently if you listen to LBC there is no bullying in the NHS 😂
@nancytestani1470
@nancytestani1470 Жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely, but circumstances need to be factual, gotta look at everything babe, look at the nurses on other shifts..everyThing!
@siljevege7283
@siljevege7283 Жыл бұрын
Spot on
@gretarobinson1142
@gretarobinson1142 Жыл бұрын
Shocking stitch up
@annbumfrey6812
@annbumfrey6812 4 ай бұрын
I suggest to study the case
@shellsbignumber2
@shellsbignumber2 Жыл бұрын
You dont suddenly go from 3 babies dying a year to 3 dying a month, just look at the numbers. At that rate your looking at 36 deaths over the year. She was either incredibly unlucky to always be there when the babies died or she was the main factor in their deaths. Also all these babies who died where not expected to die, all were doing well and all of a sudden they had catastrophic collapses without warning that did not make sense to any of the doctors on shift.
@shazanali692
@shazanali692 Жыл бұрын
But there is no direct evidence, what you just said is probability, it's like me saying you like number 2 with two men because your name is shellsbignumber2, I have no direct evidence if you like it, but because you wrote it down as your profile name., You cant say someone is Fred west incarnate just on probility
@jadeemmagibbons6668
@jadeemmagibbons6668 Жыл бұрын
That argument only holds weight for so long, with her being the common denominator for each and every unexplained case akin to Beverley Allit. Then the confessional notes, culminated with the average death rate returning back to normal rates with her gone. Funny that eh?
@hindenberg507
@hindenberg507 Жыл бұрын
@@shazanali692 this case is becoming more bizarre by the hour. i must admit i havent even really looked in to it. things are looking strange for sure with this case.
@BobK5
@BobK5 Жыл бұрын
Have a research on high morbidity rates in hospital and you’ll find evidence that other hospitals such as Staffordshire also had a run of abnormally high numbers of unexplained baby deaths similar to this one, strangely no one was accused of murder there, those unexplained deaths, exactly the same as the ones in question, were put down to staffing shortages, file closed. Is it possible that another serial killer was a work In Staffordshire or did Letby go up there on her days off?
@louwinters508
@louwinters508 Жыл бұрын
​@@MillieBealHer. They just couldn't get a conviction on some of them. Or they just died naturally.
@gonnahavemesomefun
@gonnahavemesomefun 4 ай бұрын
This female presenter is so typical of the media "she said she'd killed them" - Lucy said nothing of the sort. Lazy jorno. It was one note where Lucy referred to the deaths is what he said, not one note in total. FFS. Lazy lazy lazy.
@Stoic2000
@Stoic2000 Жыл бұрын
She was also seen standing over babies doing nothing when babies were struggling and did not call for help. More babies were killed by air embolism after she went on a course that would have instructed her on how to avoid causing this.
@barriewilliams4526
@barriewilliams4526 Жыл бұрын
Were you there......
@halomultiplayermoments
@halomultiplayermoments Жыл бұрын
@@barriewilliams4526where you there? 100 percent the answer is no!
@JohnSmith-hf8zn
@JohnSmith-hf8zn Жыл бұрын
@@halomultiplayermomentsI highly doubt anyone in this comment section was there
@miacat1727
@miacat1727 Жыл бұрын
Based on Hearsay, alleged statements, circumstansial evidence, no post mortems & no proper defence.
@miacat1727
@miacat1727 Жыл бұрын
@@halomultiplayermomentsDifference being, Barriewilliams was not making accusations because he was not there.
@voice.of.reason
@voice.of.reason Жыл бұрын
They might have found more than one note but it was only one note that was used as evidence, therefore the number of notes has no bearing on this case if the others are not being used to convict her. The barrister is right - it was only one note in this context. I also agree, that this looks like a miscarriage of justice
@jamesmurphy-walsh8966
@jamesmurphy-walsh8966 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think so !
@stella9624
@stella9624 Жыл бұрын
The number of notes notwithstanding, how do you explain the insulin level of a newborn which can only he artificial and the testimony of Dr Ravi who said he saw Letby stand by a 25 week old baby with a disconnected tube and dropping oxygen levels on the monitor?
@von-Adler
@von-Adler Жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct. Miscarriage of Justice.
@von-Adler
@von-Adler Жыл бұрын
@@stella9624 No. Look it up. Insulin can be produced in the body WITHOUT INJECTION.
@aprilgosa5779
@aprilgosa5779 Жыл бұрын
The only miscarriage of justice is that what she did to those innocent babies we can't do to her
@lynseywilliamson1911
@lynseywilliamson1911 Жыл бұрын
They found over 300 medical hand over reports of the babies she murdered in a Tescos bag under her bed . Why would you take them home . She searched 290 time 3 parents of the dead babies why . I listen to the court hearing word for word yesterday
@flumpaustin1994
@flumpaustin1994 Жыл бұрын
Were any handover notes found of babies that she didn't "kill"? That question has to be asked.
@cariza5
@cariza5 Жыл бұрын
Not Tescos, it's Tesco.
@Alan-ss3xp
@Alan-ss3xp Жыл бұрын
Morrisons, Sainsbury’s but not Tesco’s I’m intrigued. Is it because it is not named after a person?
@cariza5
@cariza5 Жыл бұрын
@@Alan-ss3xp because there is no supermarket by the name of Tesco's.
@jack1d1XB
@jack1d1XB Жыл бұрын
Can you re-write this it's bizarre how u writed thiss!!!!!
@yeahno....
@yeahno.... 3 ай бұрын
This isn’t looking good a year down the line, having seen much more on this it seems the barrister has a significant point
@Dinadino994
@Dinadino994 Жыл бұрын
The trust in the NHS is failing more & more each day . I was actually told by a consultant that no one cares about patients in pain . I always hear staff openly talk about patients private details they were unaware I was there . This is not a one off and not just one hospital .
@DaleSteel
@DaleSteel Жыл бұрын
Yes by events like this. There would be absolutely no reason to make up a case like this to deliberately damage the NHS is there? 😂
@Dinadino994
@Dinadino994 Жыл бұрын
@@DaleSteel not sure what you mean tbh
@DaleSteel
@DaleSteel Жыл бұрын
@polly6819 no, that's the problem with 95% of the population. Either stupid, ignorant or cannot see the wood for the trees.
@kerrytibenham2668
@kerrytibenham2668 Жыл бұрын
@@Dinadino994 @DaleSteel is referring to yet another conspiracy theory where its all blamed on Big Brother as apparently were all sheep being hoodwinked from the ‘bigger picture’ ….yawn!
@chowfurnowmeow
@chowfurnowmeow Жыл бұрын
I agree. It's horrible what you hear behind the scenes.
@jimbrody3009
@jimbrody3009 5 ай бұрын
Ladies and gentlemen this is why TalkTV is not on tv lol
@tommytitmouse
@tommytitmouse Жыл бұрын
It appears Money paid to defence Barristers is paramount to anything else. The thing that has to be recognised is that since Lucy Letby has ceased nursing. No further babies have died in the numbers they did when she was on duty on the Maternity Ward.
@kevphillips02
@kevphillips02 Жыл бұрын
Who has said that no babies have died ?. You invented that comment .
@bobsmith5441
@bobsmith5441 Жыл бұрын
The care unit does not permit babies at such a premature age anymore either which would naturally increase survival rate.
@colinluckens9591
@colinluckens9591 Жыл бұрын
....and when she went on holiday - these conspiracy theorists (as usual) have their head in the clouds....
@federicobattistetti3108
@federicobattistetti3108 Жыл бұрын
I don't want to claim that Lucy Letby was innocent. My point is that most of the clue leading to a conviction were circumstantial. For the mainstream media she was guilty from the start and they are very powerful on directing the general public opinion. All I'm saying is that any sentence that carries a life imprisonment should not be based on circumstantial evidence.
@coleuk8817
@coleuk8817 Жыл бұрын
'@federicobattistetti3108 And the obvious lack of a fair trial.
@993Redveg
@993Redveg Жыл бұрын
She suffered trial by media, as a result of which it was difficult, if not impossible, for the trial she eventually had to be fair. There should be restrictions on what the media can say about a case that is awaiting trial.
@notbaltic280
@notbaltic280 Жыл бұрын
This is not true - they found high levels of synthetic insulin in the bodies of 2 babies.
@itwasntme8770
@itwasntme8770 Жыл бұрын
And ? Who put it there? And the evidence as to how it got there is ?
@samuellarcombe4209
@samuellarcombe4209 Жыл бұрын
Taking aside all the alternative explanations for that, not least that that only one test was taken/false positives etc etc, why would this mastermind murderer, supposedly so smart that she injects air into tubes so as to go undetected suddenly then change her method to injecting insulin, which she knows could be detected?
@helenagracie1465
@helenagracie1465 Жыл бұрын
I agree.. I see this case is driven by emotion and a determination to close the lid on it! This country is in a very bad place..
@ianransome855
@ianransome855 Жыл бұрын
At least one of those babies was prescribed insulin as part of an earlier treatment program. As an undisclosed doctor stated, accidental administration could not be ruled out.
@von-Adler
@von-Adler Жыл бұрын
The body can produce Insulin without injection
@Fireglo
@Fireglo Жыл бұрын
She literally bought a house opposite the baby section of a cemetery.
@Elkycreates
@Elkycreates Жыл бұрын
And?
@IdeologieUK
@IdeologieUK Жыл бұрын
The jury deliberated for a hell of a long time, and they found her not guilty on some charges. Found guilty by a jury of her peers. Justice prevailed.
@james970027
@james970027 Жыл бұрын
Yep, I'm tired of people trying to defend bad people effectively with the lens of "but we didn't see them physically do it!!". If it were up to those people we would never see next to anyone in jail and in instances like this multiple babies/people would continue to die. Her colleagues themselves had called out this risk again, and again, and again - the people who worked with her and saw her effectively the most out of anyone else in her life and they themselves identified a pattern. I don't know how on earth people expect to protect other people when they hold the belief that multiple forms of evidence should be disregarded because they don't provide 100% proof - you're never going to get 100% proof unless you've got video or audio evidence and even then the same people would still argue that it's doctored. It's not cluedo - it's real life and we damn well know if it walks and quacks like a duck then 99.9% of the time it's probably a duck. I'm tired of stupid people putting other people's lives at risk through their astounding ability to deny evidence that isn't 100% conclusive while they themselves have no evidence to offer in defence. It's a stupid approach focusing on exception to rules and there are ALWAYS exceptions to rules - it doesn't mean we should never have any rules out of concern we may get it wrong on the 0.001% of occurrences. That percentage is justified if it results in thousands of lives (if not more) protected and is why we have levels of proof within the court system.
@mrsthatcher9815
@mrsthatcher9815 Жыл бұрын
so did the jury for louise woodward
@Sctch_Egg
@Sctch_Egg Жыл бұрын
​@@james970027so do you honestly believe that Andrew Malkinsons conviction was justifiable given the evidence was not a 100%? That man spent 17yrs behind bars for a rape he did not commit, would you accept a conviction of that length if you didn't do the crime but were convicted on evidence that was not 100% and just chalk it up to the 0000.1% of wrongful convictions.
@IdeologieUK
@IdeologieUK Жыл бұрын
@@mrsthatcher9815 it’s the only system we have.
@SpeccyMan
@SpeccyMan Жыл бұрын
Were they really her peers? Do you actually understand what peer means?
@jonyasou
@jonyasou 4 ай бұрын
Have you heard the news of the lethal bacteria infection that was in those baby units that no one reportedly mentioned at the trials? What can one do for Lucy? Surely, when such evidence comes to light her conviction could be overturned superfast??? Please help her if it's in your power.
@paulineweber9331
@paulineweber9331 Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that they tried this case for a year and poured over that much evidence. The barrister may have a point about cases in general, but he was not involved in this case at all which is something he does admit at the start. So don't be too swayed by his alternate perspective.
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Its just his opinion, based only on other cases
@holycannoli64
@holycannoli64 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Tell it to the Birmingham 6. Or the Guildford 4.
@ToniParsons-x7l
@ToniParsons-x7l Жыл бұрын
You’re acting like people don’t get off on appeal. They do.
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
@@ToniParsons-x7l well, only time will tell. None of us armchair criminologists have any say in the matter!
@thedearjohnblog
@thedearjohnblog Жыл бұрын
Interesting that despite multiple previous cases getting a mention, a couple were notably absent. I didn't hear the case of Isabel Amaro get a mention - the nurse convicted of gross negligence manslaughter alongside Dr Bawa Garba. That doctor, incidentally, is back working in our hospitals despite being convicted of the grossly negligent manslaughter of Jack Adcock - a former paediatric patient of hers. Our medical regulation really is great, isn't it?! Also, everybody reaches for the Harold Shipman example, but I'm still waiting for the name Dr Jane Barton to take his place. She's responsible for far more unlawful deaths at Gosport War Memorial hospital according to the most recent of several inquiries, yet still she walks free and not a single charge has been brought against her.
@EC-lq3qw
@EC-lq3qw Жыл бұрын
Yes, God knows how she has got away with it!
@anyatranter5588
@anyatranter5588 Жыл бұрын
Why is that do you think.
@thedearjohnblog
@thedearjohnblog Жыл бұрын
@@anyatranter5588 I think you're asking why certain cases didn't get a mention? If so I can only speculate, but having been privileged to be given access to court transcripts on the cases I mentioned, I suspect it's because the barrister knew they didn't support his argument for wrongful conviction of medical staff being common. That in itself would be interesting though, because the global medical world tried to claim those convictions were a total miscarriage of justice for years - until those transcripts emerged and we went public with some of the detail. It's a huge rabbit hole, this one. We all know doctors cover for each other and lawyers like this guy play a big part in that endeavour.
@timedwards5734
@timedwards5734 Жыл бұрын
@thedearjohnblog The Dr Jane Barton case was allegedly going to easily surpass Shipman's death count. Then silence. I mentioned this in another hospital 300 miles away and the Ward Sister just said she thought too many important heads would end up on proverbial chopping blocks if that rabbit hole was opened. She didn't expand on that or speak about it any further. I took it to mean that it was either a case of friends in very high places or it was the kind of shockingly nefarious conspiracy that only comes to life when certain people leave this mortal coil!!
@mariaellender6014
@mariaellender6014 Жыл бұрын
There's something very wrong with this case, none of it makes sense, convicted on circumstantial evidence.........not sound
@tuomasholo
@tuomasholo Жыл бұрын
The barrister fails to address the fatality rate fell to nil after Lucy was removed off the ward.
@kaydaniel6072
@kaydaniel6072 Жыл бұрын
Totally!
@happypill6195
@happypill6195 Жыл бұрын
Doesnt prove anything 100%. The killer could have stopped after. I m not defending her i think she is guilty but what you said should not prove anything in court
@HWarner
@HWarner Жыл бұрын
​@@happypill6195The fact that only 1 baby has died in the 7 years since Letby was removed from the ward doesn't prove her guilt but it adds to the evidence against her.
@voice.of.reason
@voice.of.reason Жыл бұрын
It can be explained by a change of management after the scandal of so many baby deaths became a thing, that changes were made to the baby care. The incompetent staff removed, or very sick babies cared for somewhere else. There is nothing to convict Lucy Letby
@elevator500
@elevator500 Жыл бұрын
It didn't drop to nil and from 2017 the hospital reduced its risk and only took lower risk baby's not as premature .
@deeperlife5689
@deeperlife5689 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t like the way the media kept focusing on how ‘normal’ she was and from a middle class family and educated etc it’s disingenuous . I wonder if this barrister would be so quick to dismiss the months of evidence gathering and hours of deliberation the jury went through if Letby was from a single parent family living on a council estate.
@imsk6729
@imsk6729 Жыл бұрын
True... cannot count the number of smiling ..angelic looking photos of her in the press... portrayal of an English Rose...very normal... lovely nurse...😮
@olivegrove5215
@olivegrove5215 Жыл бұрын
She would be more likely to get off if she was from a broken home because remember we're all woke now. Throw evidence and meritocracy out the window in favour of the disadvantaged or perceived disadvantaged.
@deeperlife5689
@deeperlife5689 Жыл бұрын
@@olivegrove5215Did you listen to this Barrister he is an example of the criminal justice system, he clearly spouts misinformation about this case, he admits he didn’t sit through the trial he is making his conclusion based on what he thinks rather than the evidence presented. When you look at statistical data people who are more likely to be found guilty of a crime and serve custodial sentences are not the middle classes but the working classes. Just consider what the government have done in response to this case, decided not to have a public inquiry this protects those at the top of this hospital trust. We see the blatant cover up when a crime is committed by a politician or the head of some multinational corporation who often have political connections they are protected and this is what we have seen more recently with King Charles in the cash for honours inquiry that the Met have decided to drop. The people who are more likely to ‘get off’ are those with the most to lose
@kevphillips02
@kevphillips02 Жыл бұрын
Well the very same barristers fought for the Guildford 4 who were all very working class . The class argument is nonsense for those with a chip on their shoulder .
@charlynnegibson2893
@charlynnegibson2893 Жыл бұрын
Whether we like it or not, 'looking normal' and background do play a part in who we are. How many times do we say that the eyes are the windows of the soul. Having worked in schools from more affluent areas and then in poorer areas, I know firsthand that our surroundings and upbringing 'can' sadly have an effect on our development and ultimately our character. How many times do we see photos of caught criminals on our TVs showing faces that look evil. Their eyes are not sparkly, pure looking, but dead looking. In laymans terms, they look rough. It's sad but true.
@magrathean0
@magrathean0 Жыл бұрын
He didn't deal with the issue of her notes and writings, he stuck with the parts of this case in which he has some point. I can't see any legitimate reason a nurse would write "I am evil, I did this" with references to their patients. He also seems to talk rather overly lengthily, perhaps in the hope the presenter will forget the second thread..
@TheSeedpearl
@TheSeedpearl Жыл бұрын
You know that's exactly what I was thinking. He phooh phooed the notes she had written blaming herself for the deaths and went on and on about the similarities between her and those found not guilty. It's like he was pleading her case.
@gailcusden3607
@gailcusden3607 Жыл бұрын
Those things are a bit strange but having worked In the NHS I think the barrister has a point in what he is saying. The part that is hard to explain is taking the notes home.
@jenjones90
@jenjones90 Жыл бұрын
Cause everyone was accusing her and she was having a breakdown.
@Smarterthanyew
@Smarterthanyew Жыл бұрын
​@@jenjones90do she confessed? How does that make sense?
@anthonyhall2483
@anthonyhall2483 Жыл бұрын
She also wrote she was innocent on the same note - what to make of that? @@Smarterthanyew
@Snoozzzzzze
@Snoozzzzzze Жыл бұрын
The jury took a very long time to reach their verdicts. To me that indicates that after many months of hearing evidence it still wasn’t an easy or obvious decision on each charge. Either way the doctors and management of that hospital need to be looked at very closely.
@judithdesrosiers-qm9wt
@judithdesrosiers-qm9wt Жыл бұрын
Speaking from experience,yes!!!!!!!
@ÆthelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333
@ÆthelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 Жыл бұрын
It's a miscarriage of justice. The prosecution failed to prove beyond all reasonable doubt the defendant guilty.
@sarahwhyld5596
@sarahwhyld5596 Жыл бұрын
I think the jury felt such empathy with the parents that they wanted closure for them. I can’t believe how little evidence there is.
@garethlloyd4716
@garethlloyd4716 Жыл бұрын
Only reason they took so long beacuse it’s such a big case wasn’t just one baby they would of had to discuss and agree on every case.
@heddaszczepanski9210
@heddaszczepanski9210 Жыл бұрын
No, it was correct. Sh e was found guilty!
@PaulWoodcock-dk1ej
@PaulWoodcock-dk1ej 3 ай бұрын
No direct evidence. That is the very critical point.
@nicksherreard1215
@nicksherreard1215 Жыл бұрын
Just nonsense, she contradicted her statements, falsified records, collected confidential documents she shouldn’t have had access to and speculated on police involvement when no one had accused her of anything yet. She acted guilty from the moment she was transferred. The failings of the hospital merely provided a convenient smoke screen for her to become more audacious each time.
@holycannoli64
@holycannoli64 Жыл бұрын
All that may be true but none of it is proof that she murdered anyone.
@nicksherreard1215
@nicksherreard1215 Жыл бұрын
@@holycannoli64 the jury spent a month on deliberation. I’ll take their considered opinion over your gut feel
@holycannoli64
@holycannoli64 Жыл бұрын
@@nicksherreard1215 not a gut feeling. Just linking evidence to conclusions. An intellectual endeavour. It's not an article of faith for me that juries are infallible. They're made up of people just like you.
@nicksherreard1215
@nicksherreard1215 Жыл бұрын
@@holycannoli64 people who have been present at a trial for ten months. So not like me at all in fact
@holycannoli64
@holycannoli64 Жыл бұрын
@@nicksherreard1215 whoosh!
@daniellatheczarina2u915
@daniellatheczarina2u915 Жыл бұрын
With the rate of infant mortality when she was around is of itself highly suspicious. She paid unusual interest in the families on FB. Consultants reported their concerns about her. Management wanted to brush those concerns aside to protect themselves and the reputation of the hospital.
@leldelat9621
@leldelat9621 Жыл бұрын
She looked up many more families on fb, not just those whose babies died
@flumpaustin1994
@flumpaustin1994 Жыл бұрын
Maybe she looked the families up because she blamed herself and became mentally unstable. She wrote "I'm not good enough".
@ÆthelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333
@ÆthelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 Жыл бұрын
Oddly, at the SAME time Lucy Letby was taken off duty(June 2016), the neonatal unit was also downgraded and stopped admitting severely ill babies, henceforth there were fewer deaths. But despite the departure of Lucy from the unit and the fact severely ill babies were no longer being admitted to the unit, the death rate was STILL regarded as 'high' two years AFTER LL left. People need to do their research before sharing their ill-founded, prejudiced opinions. There's NO evidence against Lucy Letby.
@daniellatheczarina2u915
@daniellatheczarina2u915 Жыл бұрын
@@ÆthelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333 Doesn't make her more or even less guilty.
@wazz1154
@wazz1154 Жыл бұрын
@@robertjones2053good luck with new little one, hope everything goes ok for you and your wife!
@janebufton1960
@janebufton1960 Жыл бұрын
I relise that people have been found guilty but are innocent. That is tragic. In Lucy Leybu case, after listening to the evidene,, and she doesnt seem to demostrates any empathy for these victims suggests she is not the full packet.
@SueRosalie
@SueRosalie Жыл бұрын
SEVEN DOCTORS, actual experts, raised the alarm and well as several nurse. This barrister is full of bs and no wonder, he makes a fortune out of defending criminals.
@gherkamum
@gherkamum Жыл бұрын
24 Hour Video Cameras would make it safer in all maternity Units….this must never happen again.
@Redwarfa
@Redwarfa Ай бұрын
Yep ,paedophiles would love that footage Woman expressing milk,and having skin to skin contact with their babies
@boxingfan8274
@boxingfan8274 Жыл бұрын
if she felt she was innocent why didnt she go along to court for sentencing and cry out she had been a victim of a miscarriage of justice? Her silence and absence speaks volumes !!! Correct verdict was reached.
@wazz1154
@wazz1154 Жыл бұрын
Absolute rubbish!!! If she is innocent, after years of being accused of being a baby murderer, and sitting through a 10 month trial, where she knows she is being used as a scapegoat, she falls at the last hurdle, which proves her guilt. After YEARS of screaming NOT GUILTY, her last screams have been screamed, she can’t face what could be a complete travesty that puts an innocent woman in prison for the rest of her life, never mind the rubbishing of her and her parents name for the rest of their lives, and because she is spent, you think this prover guilt. As I said before absolute rubbish!
@kevphillips02
@kevphillips02 Жыл бұрын
That suits your agenda . If I had been found guilty while innocent would be stuff this kangaroo court I'm not sitting through their nonsense ..
@boxingfan8274
@boxingfan8274 Жыл бұрын
you are in the minority, majority says she is guilty. not one newspaper is defending her. @@wazz1154
@Now4wheels
@Now4wheels Жыл бұрын
The jury heard all the evidence and was there for the whole trial. This man did not.
@paulroberts7544
@paulroberts7544 Жыл бұрын
The police that did the investigation, AND the judge, admit that the case is based entirely upon conjecture and circumstantial evidence. There is no proof that the babies were murdered. There is no proof that Lucy did anything wrong. Yet Lucy will spend her life in prison because a) the police let potential suspects (the doctors) guide their investigation, b) the Jury didn't care that guilt hadn't been proven. They were prepared to risk condeming an innocent young nurse to life in prison. Some people believe in the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. Some of us believe that it's better for 10 guilty men to go free than one innocent man be convicted. Others don't care - provided that justice is SEEN to be done. No matter how unjust it is in practice
@carlahilton2872
@carlahilton2872 Жыл бұрын
Lucy went through hell being blamed for this. She began to think maybe i did! What if i dont know im a psycho. The notes lucy wrote was her seeing if she was going mad. If i write it, will i remember doing it! She was thinking if i did kill these babies, im evil! She was trying to spark a memory because she thought s going mad. She really could be innocent.. Was there other staff on the majority of these shifts. How many hours did lucy work compared to others. If she worked extra on top of full time, then she would be on the ward most days. She could be innocent 😢
@voice.of.reason
@voice.of.reason 5 ай бұрын
That's exactly the reason for those notes, the stress of the case on her mental health
@deeperlife5689
@deeperlife5689 Жыл бұрын
The barrister clearly has his information wrong, post mortems were carried out, also one of the mothers stated that she arrived at the neonatal until late in the evening to find her baby with blood coming out of his mouth Lucy Letby on duty alone, mother told to go back to the ward and her son dies. Of course babies die but babies who were due to be discharged and doing well sudden deaths…no
@private_soul
@private_soul Жыл бұрын
Yes. Its sickening and people forget the actual facts.
@rolandhawken6628
@rolandhawken6628 Жыл бұрын
All the babies in her care were premature there is less chance of survival in premature babies the earlier they are the chances of surviving are slimmer . We know little about the standard of care on the ward ,if there were problems consultants are unlikely to say .
@timedwards5734
@timedwards5734 Жыл бұрын
@deeperlife5689 Only 2-3 had post mortems, the others were all declared natural deaths where no post mortems take place. This practice needs to be stopped. Unless there is a blindingly obvious cause why a baby has died, all neonatal deaths should involve a post mortem. If not you miss errors made by incompetent doctors or deaths by nefarious means like in this case, allegedly!
@Fau465
@Fau465 Жыл бұрын
No post mortem they were ruled as natural deaths you twit. The evidence is circumstantial not direct so they speculated the insulin overdose because they compared it to Beverley allits case.
@Fau465
@Fau465 Жыл бұрын
​@@rolandhawken6628exactly they were unwell babies.
@live.co.uk1955
@live.co.uk1955 Жыл бұрын
I witnessed my sister being badly treated by a nurse ,she had a tracky in she had in every hour or so a nurse would come in and clean it when full of mucas when a certain nurse come in she had fear on her face I knew she didn't like this nurse, one day arrived early and had to wait outside the room the nurse removed the tracky to clean but delayed putting it back in so my sister was panicking I rush in and the nurse quickly put it back in I was so angry I complained but was told she was doing her job I asked the same nurse how my sister was she was but in a reduced coma but I noticed she had tears running down her face I asked is she in pain can she feel pain she just said I don't know you can't say because she can't speak she then said well because she alcoholic it will have a effect on her, my sister had been in hospital for 3 months she had breast cancer and it went to her lungs she died two days later, may be the nurse didn't like the fact she had a drink problem but she didn't know was my sister like was like or may be it was because women don't drink in her country .
@ryand141
@ryand141 Жыл бұрын
Should've reported it.
@voice.of.reason
@voice.of.reason Жыл бұрын
There are some bad nurses out there I agree, but I think Lucy took the can for all of them
@colinluckens9591
@colinluckens9591 Жыл бұрын
​@@voice.of.reason "Lucy took the can for all of them" I don't think a cold-blooded murderer of 7 babies is "Lucy taking the can" for all merely negligent nurses....
@Blue_3rd
@Blue_3rd Жыл бұрын
Thank you for letting the guest talk.
@Traceishere
@Traceishere 3 ай бұрын
The conviction is UNSAFE let her free TODAY
@SueCarr-q8n
@SueCarr-q8n 3 ай бұрын
No. But retrialcertainly
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