Martin Keown THREATENS to LEAVE the Studio in HUGE BUST-UP With Simon Jordan Over VAR & Arteta! 🔥😬

[@thatitladi9650]

I love the fact Martin called Simon out on constantly interrupting people on the show. Somebody needed to tell him that

[@kungfooslap2983]

??and then keown interrupted continuously…lol.

[@FelixGallardo1946]

Interrupts Simon to continue making senseless waffle

[@gonnaw1n]

I think you need to listen to how many times Martin is cutting Simon off actually!!

[@dutchgrass]

He cut Simon off all the time making no sense.

[@myearsgotyouthsystem8802]

What you talking about? He was trying to run away from Simon facts

[@MarcoSpeaksNadsat]

Jordan triggers Keown every week without fail 😂

[@SwanClan]

He should just go for what gets Jordan going like being Levy’s spokesperson

[@MUFCSHERMS]

It's brilliant innit

[@Your_Lou_Sassole]

​@SwanClan Simon been sleeping with your husband again or something?! 🤔🤣🙈

[@willtallis5275]

Got to love it

[@davidgreenwood5241]

Doesn’t take much triggering

[@gorlestondoug]

The refs and VAR have been appalling this season, its not surprising that managers get annoyed

[@oscardolloway1885]

the problem is these managers are quiet when it suites them and cry like babies when something goes against them

[@Isleofskye]

VAR has been appalling from Day One.

[@arklife99]

​@@oscardolloway1885not all maybe the big clubs the little clubs dont get much notice

[@matthewprice2084]

You can take the man out of Sky but you can't take Sky out of the man, Jim White

[@Hhammer]

Imagine having such power that no one can criticise the refs wow

[@Antonio-hb8rd]

People can and do, the decision was correct and I don't know why you're crying.

[@Hhammer]

@@Antonio-hb8rd I have no issue with the decision. Just with the fact you can’t criticise refs as Simon said

[@myearsgotyouthsystem8802]

The PGMOL got mediocre referees

[@MarkQuinn2k7]

@@Antonio-hb8rd First of all, where did you get that he was "crying?" That's absurd. Second of all, yes people can and do criticize the refs, but more and more often the league is seeking to punish both coaches and clubs who do it, effectively taking away their ability to air their grievances. That's far too much power.

[@ashaekuteku9591]

That seems what Simon wants.

[@darkoanton5]

As long as a manager, coach, or player doesn't call the officials corrupt, they shouldn't face punnishment. Calling them out as incompetent shouldn't be punnishable.

[@davidscott1052]

Of course it shouldn't be punishable, because calling people corrupt is slanderous and invites criminal proceedings against the accuser the other accusation does not

[@user-bu9nb8wr6e]

I'm a Chelsea fan and its a disgrace that the managers are not allowed to criticise the refs. Nothing has changed and the mistakes are still being made week in week out but managers are not allowed to complain. It's insane that this is allowed to continue happening week in week out. Howard Webb was corrupt and he's now in charge of the refs, that tells you all you need to know.

[@kwameaboagye-cl9me]

These referees and officials should have the book thrown at them for their incompetence.

[@kurdaali]

They only make mistakes against the teams other than mancity. when they disallowed the perfect goal by Diaz the refs were in QATAR a few days before the game. PGMOL is a corrupt organisation period.

[@vincentvries9854]

All of the players and coaches look for ways to exploit the rules and fool the refs, and then cry about decisions going against them, why??? That's just stupid.

[@og87]

Didn’t say that. But the clubs should be setting an example and that should have been done privately

[@Wulfryk]

there becomes a point where they absolutely shouldnt because they undermine the premise on which the competition is set and agreed upon. which includes the possibility for mistakes made, but accept them none theless as thats the refereeing what everyone has agreed on to play under and deal with.

[@alantheloneranger]

What's the point of having ex players in the VAR room when some thought it was a foul and some thought it wasn't

[@ThatGuy-tx4vm]

those who thought the refs were correct are on tv. Paid off. Isn't it funny how you can predict what someone like simon will say? That means he is dishonest. Neville is also dishonest.

[@MTuground00]

Simple as that. Best comment !!

[@jerryouro6428]

This same refereeing confraternity screwed arsenal of their 1st title in 20 yrs by forgetting to draw the line for offside against Ivan Toney last szn. What happened to red card to Kovacic against City

[@jbo4547]

Dumb question, there are 5 of them and the majority ruling rules. 4-1 this was

[@nathanmoore7120]

@@jerryouro6428I know, it was class! Arsenal are the luckiest team in the world and to see that happen to them was tremendous. 😂

[@corny17]

What I don't understand is how is everyone expected to accept that mistakes do happen in terms of refereeing, when there's a whole team of people on the pitch, and then there's another team off the pitch whose only job is to watch all the footage. But some of the mistakes have still been shocking.

[@arklife99]

No 1's beating newcastle this year if they continue to be allowed to score from out of bounds areas twice now wonder how many times it will be when its summer only thing annoying me is everyone fixated on the arsenal goal against them people only moan if its a biggish club

[@michaels09]

Wasn’t a mistake

[@nadimnaouach5839]

They are busy counting their bribery money

[@kumarreaturaj9873]

Simon Jordan isn't interested in making football rules and refereeing better. He just wants to argue about punishing people for their behaviour.

[@MrLaughatthis]

good...the way it should be

[@liamk15]

The punishment was the original question. Keown just changed it

[@stevenicol1]

people will always moan about referees no matter what happens, it's part of football and the huge media circus that covers it.

[@ngqabuthodube2068]

Like a true boss

[@Your_Lou_Sassole]

If he hurts your feelings...go watch Kabaddi instead 🤷‍♂️😂🤣

[@MichaelLFC____]

Simon’s the Piers Morgan of talk sport.

[@samprizeman4509]

That’s an insult, right?

[@MisterPete3]

That was literally my first thought before I saw your comment

[@Padraigishere]

Simon and Jim have the worst opinions 😂 they just team up against anyone with an opposing view They're cowards really lmao

[@MrBannystar]

Simon Jordan, mostly, has integrity to his views as opposed to Morgan who steams off any opinion depending which way the wind is blowing. Jordan at least has the courage to go against the tide.

[@andrewfathy4212]

​@MrBannystar completely agree.

[@Goongoblin12]

I think what Martin was truly saying is that the people running this reffing system are not capable of running it in an unbiased way. Simon is trying to over justify his claim of allowing mistakes to happen. Jim just follows simons opinion in every episode like a dog ready for his walk. Getting tired of these people in “powerful” positions saying what they want rather than what the actual truth is 🤌🏾

[@mickcampbell1797]

It's all staged. Without anything suggestive from a forensic investigation, as they have done, the foul on Gabriel alone would have had the goal disallowed. The show is staged for likes and interactions. All about ratings!

[@Goongoblin12]

@@IronOrchid-HQ yes but I’m not talking about them I’m talking about the human beings that run these leagues and governments. They know info which is powerful so choosing to leave out factual details is a sin and has no place in any type of business.

[@EricCheong-l6j]

Correct. Looks very bad- 3 brits at each others throat

[@NowegianRich]

The problem with Simon is that he will passionately argue both sides of the argument depending on whose side he is on.

[@DJ-yu9gk]

He is always on side of epl and officiating. He is paid by them and defends every stupidity.

[@jtmmmm27]

Martin is the most predictably biased pundit out there, on nearly all segments I can guess what his points will be and how he will argue them.

[@StreetRoyaltyRecord]

He deffo needs mo ticker glasses...

[@eddyd63]

The problem with Martin is he will passionately argue one side or the argument and it will always be entirely biased towards Arsenal.

[@colindixon9916]

Duh,thats what makes him the 🐐

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

This discussion once again devolves into Simon and Jim shouting over the other person, in this case Martin because they think if they shout loudest and gang up together that makes them right. I saw this happen with Danny Murphy aswell. There's no point having these discussions if you're not even going to allow one side to make their point.

[@spurs541]

🤡

[@vincentvries9854]

That's what Simon does. He does not care about what the other person is saying, he does not care if they are right, all he does is try to make them look wrong.

[@Windbadger]

Also known as "bullying"

[@exposedheat9778]

Martin was talking nonsense as always, I would talk over him

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

@@exposedheat9778 Why have a debate at all then, just don't bother.

[@snowoutside]

Jim and Simon love the sound of their own voices and believe in monologues not dialogues

[@crash17289]

What's clearly evident is that these former players still harbor bias based on rivalries from when they played no matter how objective they try to portray themselves to be. This alone is the reason why it would never work. What's needed is that there needs to be a point system for refereeing performances. This can possibly unearth good officials from the other divisions as well rather than have the same so called incompetent PL referees year after year

[@croffordlemba8018]

This already exists bro, and PGMOL sends refs emails a week before they officiate their next game showing them their points tally for decisions. Check out tifo football they explained. What's needed is diversity in refs across the whole footballing profession, now hear me out on this one. The leagues across Europe use refs from their respective countries. If we could have refs from other nations who are the best come over it would help a lot kinda like we do with footballers. Imagine if the leagues only featured players from their own countries. Being a ref is a tough job and requires a skill set many humans don't have. Notice that we have fewer errors in cross contentinatal competitions than in domestic leagues. There's a reason for that.

[@theunitedway69]

@@croffordlemba8018u said it all

[@mesicek7]

It's always been like that. Just remember all the ex-Liverpool player pundits in the 90s and 00s. The stuff that came out of their mouths was like going to a circus and watching clowns.

[@Coxy-b34]

Players are only human and will have their biases, just as fans do, fans more so in fact.

[@AB-wr8vl]

Harbour

[@khoabert33]

The Liverpool incident was worse, var agreed it was a goal but never awarded the goal.. the incompetence of the officials is the problem not the technology itself🤦

[@brianfuller4258]

The tech could be expanded like other sports, but yes these refs are absolute rubbish.

[@hustler666100]

and the stingy league not wanting to pay to implement the semi automated offside system that was at the World Cup

[@LeoDragon34]

I don’t think it’s incompetence, it’s corruption.

[@LeoDragon34]

It’s not incompetence, it’s corruption.

[@dddgtsd]

The Liverpool decision was sooooo much worse, they literally admitted it was a miscommunication

[@keightonjelly4694]

What's the point having Keown on when he weren't have anything said against arsenal, the guy is so biased it's unreal. Him and Iain Wright both as bad as eachother. They should get rid of them!

[@JimmieMpengwa]

Martin: "Listen Simon, give me a chance to formulate my argument." Simon: "But your argument is incoherent." 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BridgeStamford]

Love Simon and Martin together

[@abdullahomaryassen747]

totally agree

[@waynemclawrence9361]

The question is who should the referees be accountable to? Because, when they make these calculated mistakes, they should not only apologize, but should be charged with a points deductible system that would eventually have them suspended and eventually banned. Teams lose crucial points from these errors that affect the results of the league, therefore a match replay would be the most appropriate solution. This premier league is the most corrupt to the bone,with referees ,var match officials and pundits all involved. There is a lot big bucks going around.

[@deanwilliams4576]

Im with Martin, hes just struggling to articulate himself properly. Jim and Simon as usual ganging up on him. Im a united fan, it was clearly a foul, 2 hands on a players back pushing him to the ground will be a foul no question if it was anywhere else on the pitch!

[@travislea7780]

It’s subjective. You don’t know how much force was used, only the players really know

[@scarboroughhammer9684]

​@@travislea7780to the eye test it was a foul though

[@DanielS10291]

@@Fmfcg or thinks slower tbf 😂

[@ThatGuy-tx4vm]

​@@travislea7780i know that last season arsenal were given a wrong offside call and this season liverpool were done the same way... They already are confirmed to be corrupt. It is subjective to you that is watching the game... not to them that control it. They do as they please and therefore must be punished.

[@ThatGuy-tx4vm]

​@@Fmfcgsimon is a dog and a bully. Not to mention corrupt.

[@jordlet4107]

Martin just ties himself up in knots constantly 😂

[@frostymusic9330]

You make no sense

[@kissg6734]

Get off your knees for your daddy Simon buddy 😂

[@davidknight2104]

Couldn't of put it better myself

[@jordlet4107]

@@frostymusic9330 Learn English then

[@jordlet4107]

@@kissg6734 Can’t stand Simon, Martin is just a bit of a wolly. Hence why you’re so fond of him.

[@leifbergersen7299]

Good on you Martin. If tennis and cricket have line monitoring technology, the prem should too. It’s ludicrous to think we should just accept mediocrity and system failures in what’s meant to be the worlds ‘premiere’ league. Wake up Simon

[@scotthendry6298]

Yeah var has been great for football😂😂😂😂😂

[@laoch5658]

get rid of var

[@razwanakhan25]

This is 3 times in the same week that this subject has been brought up and Jim White always says he hasn’t got agenda against Arsenal

[@mickcampbell1797]

I really do believe now that he doesn't! It's just topical and the show is definitely scripted. In the real world, not one person I've talked to doesn't think it was a definite foul on Gabriel. I've had two Newcastle fans on X telling me that they would have been annoyed had it been the other way around, but both of them refused to answer yes or no as to whether it was a foul by Joelinton.

[@dom6140]

​@@mickcampbell1797well either you're a Talksport troll or just clueless

[@mickcampbell1797]

@@dom6140. And the logic for your accusation is???

[@bharathsf]

Imagine if all managers and clubs "let it go". The incompetence will be even worse! This is just a prelude to make rigging acceptable and convert football to something like a WWE

[@anthonyhurn1988]

Don't use wwe's name. Vince Mcmahon did everything possible in his business to better it and did it for 25+ years. The second the world turned out like this and he couldn't win anymore he flogged it 😂😂

[@AZ10644]

Brilliant point my G!

[@mick2nv]

Just get rid of VAR! 1. These meltdowns were barely happening pre VAR in comparison to today. 2. It’s slowed the game down dramatically (watch an old PL classic and tell me the game didn’t flow better). 3. If a trained linesman does not see any advantage with their trained eyes, I’m sorry a fractional offside should benefit the attacker. 4. To my point above, the same goes with a defender tackle in the box. If it’s not clear that contact was made on the player/ball (and again is marginal) benefit should go to defender. 5. Football is a human game, played by humans, for humans who should be reffed by humans. And ALL humans make mistakes, refs included. Conclusion: keep goal line technology, add to all boundaries of the field as there is no subjectivity. Pay refs a lot more money to attract the best and ramp up the training regime from top to bottom.

[@fredynunez4578]

I don’t understand why Simon and Jim insist on crucifying Arsenal for this. They said nothing disrespectful. They released a statement to support their manager after they felt they were cheated. Now Simon wants to act as if nobody is allowed to question or speak against the PGMOL who has hit record lows in awful decision making this season. On top of that, other clubs are benefiting from their terrible decisions.

[@ManUnited6380]

you just answered your own stupid question - the club also needs to be penalized because they released a statement of support for a ridiculous lash out against referees claiming arsenal was cheated (implying the match is fixed and the league is somehow corrupted by the officials). high profile managers like arteta and klopp publicly bashing VAR "ONLY" when it goes against them week in and week out is the reason why the VAR can't be consistent because it encourages everyone in the industry to keep demanding something one week, and something different the week after. the reason why they shouldn't overstep their authority and bash the officials is not simply because officials deserve respect, it's because doing so rids the sport of integrity and trust. Once people lose trust in the rules and the system of the sport then you no longer have a properly functioning professional league.

[@spinachpies]

They didn't make terrible decisions. They were correct

[@leeorr9071]

Arsenal got robbed big time that ball was out

[@andresmarquez89]

Spot on brother… they clearly just hate Arsenal It’s also quite funny how they just gang up and talk over their guests, Martin knew exactly what they were trying to do. Spin the narrative. The worst thing about the goal is the part nobody talks about: clear handball. Players, the on field ref and VAR all acknowledge a clear handball but they cant do anything because he’s not the goalscorer? THATS where the rules need changing and need to be put into question. Gotta get with the times and actually challenge some decisions or else the would never be any change.. and the game clearly needs change from wherever it is now. Last thing that was hilarious is them begging to stop talking about this topic like they aren’t getting the most interactions from it. This is what people come to listen to on this show because I guarantee NOBODY wants to hear any tactics from Simon or Jim.

[@MrBannystar]

Uhh no, that's not what Simon thinks. He thinks Arteta's rant went too far as did the club by endorsing it.

[@SamSoum]

I’ve never heard Keown make a rational sentence in this program when it comes to his team Arsenal!

[@harryrob8221]

His comment about the foul on Gabriel was rational and spot on. I think most of you Arsenal hater cannot see beyond your hate of Arsenal. When it affects your club you will be the first to cry and seek support from other clubs.

[@MovementMagazineLtd]

2 hands in the back...you melt. You just hate Arsenal...don't feign intelligence

[@DanielS10291]

This is what club loyalties do to people, turn them into biased blithering idiots 😂

[@MovementMagazineLtd]

@@DanielS10291 2 hands on the back....what is bias about that Danny boy?

[@jbo4547]

​@@MovementMagazineLtd2 hands on the back does not automatically mean a foul, bud. I thought it was a dive and he was going doing anyways

[@BasaiDai]

along with Merse's rant recently this shows that former footballers should have no say in refereeing the game

[@elidelisser7]

Every week the media and commentators say the refs are poor in the prem but now Arteta and Arsenal have overstepped the line lol This is getting boring now.

[@itfgroup-nc9bg]

Because they corrupt and they don't wanna hire people who have a knowledge of the technology

[@willtallis5275]

Arteta and arsenal deserve it as he hasn’t once said anything about the bad calls that goes his way if he’s going to have a massive rant do it for very bad call no just the ones that goes against you deserves everything they get he’s only pissed off because they blow it last year and no they won’t get close this season he should be calling out every single bad call but he doesn’t he also said about var that mistakes happen and they are human and that we should move on maybe he should take his own advice

[@chrishaswell4405]

​@@willtallis5275exactly.. he can't say "it's humans and there will be errors" and this wasn't even a terrible error it was a 50/50 decision and it went against Arteta and he acted like a child who didn't get the sweets he wanted .. pathetic

[@shane6054]

​@@chrishaswell4405not 50/50, bruno shouldve been sent off and it was a foul on gabriel, saka had a goal disallowed for something similar.

[@elidelisser7]

@@chrishaswell4405 that Twitter snippet is not the full statement. He actually said he was behind Klopp. Either way these types of calls will keep happening to all teams because pundits and opposition fans say that it's deserved etc

[@Zombieturtles]

Jim blatantly wrote that supportive text out himself in his notes

[@gettobythesea]

Yeah I’ve always thought it’s the producers of the show sending texts to just agree with whatever agenda or topic they’re discussing

[@rosshaugh7937]

Brilliant from Jim, the puppet master.

[@blvck5943]

I think he just sifts through the texts and reads what he likes to hear atm 😂

[@AdamsSpursView]

@@gettobytheseaI’ve had my text read out on talksport before, but I agree they will select the texts that suit the present narrative for sure

[@danoku5582]

Since I started watchinh this show. Martin Keown has been the only person who challenges Simon without fear so intelligently.

[@LeeW534]

How dare you put his name in the same sentence as intelligence 😂

[@seanbonella]

you martins friend???? he hasnt got many

[@sammyharvard835]

intelligently??????????????please..

[@snotwurfit]

This is hilarious! And seeing Simon smiling away because he knows that Martin is getting himself tied up in knots the more he talks

[@paulrichards6894]

think if martin walks out i dont think talksport would care...simon jordan is the reason people watch the show

[@kadiummusic]

Not funny, embarrassing and is making Jordan look like the school bully. Management need to have a word, uncomfortable listening.

[@crow1989]

​@@kadiummusicmanagement need to have a word? Grow up Karen, do you really think Martin Keown is going to be crying in a corner upset after this or something? He literally makes himself look silly every single week. He isn't going to cry because Simon's made him look sillier though. 🤦

[@Ren-7-7]

@@kadiummusicthats subjective. I'm enjoying it

[@snotwurfit]

@@kadiummusic it's not bullying. Jordan argues through logic and challenges things that don't make sense or become contradictory. If you're going to make a point then you should back it up with logic and reason. Martin couldn't, knew he wasn't making an awful lot of sense and got pulled up for it. It's called debate, that's all that's happened here

[@mosespelican3507]

Keown: referees don’t know what they’re doing… put in an ex player there, they would’ve seen that’s a foul, Simon: yeah but Neville said it’s not a foul so if he was in there he would’ve said it’s not a foul, Keown: what about all the ex referees that say it was a foul 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AndrewMellor-u4w]

Spot on! Simon tied him up in knots.

[@razwanakhan25]

And what club did Gary Neville used to play for and who does he support only one of Arsenal’s biggest rival

[@JoeHetherington]

Exactly 😂 keown is an absolute 🤡

[@mosespelican3507]

@@razwanakhan25 your point only proves Simon's point that ex pros can't be relied on as they have even more bias than Refs

[@Charlieb82]

​@@razwanakhan25Newcastle were one of Man U's biggest rivals when Neville played too

[@stevindiesel]

Very difficult for any Arsenal fan to be objective IMHO. Arteta consistently changes his stance depending on what suits his agenda and lacked integrity. Also, according to MK EVERY TIME any player lays 2 hands on any player, regardless of pressure or circumstance, it’s definitely a foul. It’s strange because MK seems intelligent but seems to struggle in critical thinking between objective and subjective statements, needing to navigate and avoid facts that contravene his emotional investment in this argument. Jordan can come over as arrogant but he is usually objective and consistent.

[@lesjay6267]

Wow. Martin is just babbling at this point.

[@zcyf3211]

Wish I could replay todays episode. Simon Jim and Martin’s chemistry on a Friday is hilarious

[@kevincollett830]

You can listen to it again on the app.

[@NoYouHandleIt.]

Chemistry? Really!! Jim white is an INSTIGATOR Simon Jordan Condescending and missed his call to be a politician. Martin ….. has his a biased …but not too shabby.. No chemistry Always a feud That’s why talk sport puts them together ! Just

[@zcyf3211]

@@NoYouHandleIt. yeah, and you see that mix right there? It makes for great listening/watching. I enjoy hearing the different opinions whether I agree or not cause at the end of the day, you shouldn’t worry about what you can’t control 👍🏿👊🏿

[@JoeHetherington]

​@zcyf3211 much better with that buffon Martin Keown. 🤡 always back tracking and his bias is clear as day

[@MrBannystar]

@@NoYouHandleIt. You're clearly not very bright. Chemistry is about how people interact with each other, it doesn't have to be harmonious. The 3 old fuddies who presented Top Gear for many years often argued, and people enjoyed watching them *because they had good chemistry* and it's puzzling how you don't understand this.

[@SightedRain40]

I love how Jim and Simon take such a microscopic view of the macro issue. You can pick holes in each wrong decision as to why it’s right - but as Martin said they’re conversations we wouldn’t be having without systematic failure.

[@Jesussoldmeweed]

Martin had to be the most biased and deluded pundit on air or tv. He wouldn’t have put those glasses on if it was any other club other than Arsenal. Love that Simon plays on his own intelligence to out whit this idiot every Friday

[@MinisterManDan]

Nah, I agree with Simon. I don't want to hear any of this "macro issue" stuff when the teams voted down changes on the macro level. It all just smacks of people only getting selectively outraged when it affects them. "THE TEAMS SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY SAY IN IT" is one of the most preposterous things I've ever heard a grown adult say.

[@SightedRain40]

@@MinisterManDan mate you’re taking the same viewpoint as Simon - but I’m not sure how you benefit in any way. At least he gets to collect a bag for this opinion. If we all have a short term memory how are we going to be able to push for change when the time comes around? 😂

[@elvisbenedict1680]

Simon and Jim aren't honest men on this issue.

[@joew3477]

not honest about it being subjective?

[@williamsmith9315]

​@@Philip__325What's he lied about?

[@tufflikeLK]

Keown still doing his talking with his feet. He's turning the show into Comedy gold.

[@ANDER5-d8z]

When Jim read Martin the 4-1 panel he looked like he’d seen a ghost

[@MalindrishK]

"You in denial Martin because it's Arsenal* 😂😂😂

[@ChrisPalmer-tv5ot]

I’m a NUFC fan but charging Arteta or Arsenal is ridiculous… sure he was upset but let’s move on. I agree with an earlier post about concentrating our efforts on improving the referee’s and VAR not making a big deal about nothing. We keep stats on players so let’s keep stats on refs too!

[@davidmiller1215]

Excellent Point Totally Agree And Also Stats On The VAR People Watching It Back At Base

[@sean_43]

​@@bubbacallingWho? It was totally over the top the way he reacted. Managers have said they disagree with decisions but not scornfully derided the whole professional refereeing fraternity in the premier league

[@kylestanley1160]

​@bubbacalling arteta didn't criticise VAR. He went off on one on referees. If you're not 100% sure it is out, then you dont give it as out. The foul is subjective. It wasn't offside. The managers voted against autimation so only has himself to blame. Arteta cant speak about refs the way he did and not expect consequences.

[@ghostoftheyoutubefuture2630]

Heckingbottom went IN on the refs.......gets brushed under the carpet@@bubbacalling

[@migennepravishta9485]

@@kylestanley1160 People need to put some context into Arteta's implosion because it isnt down to Newcaslte's goal alone... it was an accumulation of what happen not only in other games this season, but also last season. At the end of January last season, a SkySports article that analyzed many wrong decision gone against Arsenal, argue that Arsenal had potentially lost 11 point unfairly... someone could argue that it may even cost Arsenal the title. Any club suffering from 3 official PGMOL apologies costing them 11 points, and then have Newcastle's goal allowed, would have imploded much much earlier... enough is enough!

[@tylerkiss3707]

If the referee is not good enough why keep quiet

[@greerwoodham711]

If Gabriel pushed Joelinton with both hands , would that be a penalty ?

[@jonblack7046]

Probably would've been given as a foul if Joelinton actually pushed Gabriel 🤣

[@zvikomborerobakare4783]

Yep

[@menzibhembe3916]

Why was the ref not sent to the screen by VAR instead of var booth making that decision.

[@apc4y]

I think because the ref categorically said that the on field decision was “goaI”, also because the VAR said to the ref that the two hands in the back were not enough to force Gabriel to move as he did.

[@the-gunner-9692]

So the refs aren’t wrong ever and can’t ever be criticised ? England has the worst refereeing in the world why should they have such power

[@JOHN-tk8eb]

Football fans thinks this will end at Arsenal... These sort of decisions will make someone cry one day

[@chippies121]

That’s what they don’t understand. It’s only a matter of time before it affects their team’s season

[@eljee102]

Exactly... eventually it'll affect everyone. It'll all balance itself out in the end. The law of averages eventually prevails. I think as fans we've made our voices heard and it's now time to move on from this specific incident.

[@migennepravishta9485]

@@eljee102 I dont think it balances out, not in Arsenal's case anyways. At the end of January last season, a SkySports article that analyzed many wrong decision gone against Arsenal, argue that Arsenal had potentially lost 11 point unfairly... someone could argue that it may even cost Arsenal the title. The only debatable decision that went Arsenal's way last season was the equalizing penalty against City, a game they lost 3-1 anyways. Any club suffering from 3 official PGMOL apologies costing them 11 points, and then have Newcastle's goal allowed, would have imploded much much earlier. Not an Arsenal fan... but I hate injustices of any kind, and when I saw that article last January, I started sympathizing with Arsenal!

[@eljee102]

@@migennepravishta9485 i'm not aware of that analysis, however, from the time you start accounting for the points Arsenal lost, and drawing conclusions you're arguing something else all entirely. The law of averages does still apply though, it just might take more time 😅.

[@Plausible386]

​@@migennepravishta9485 thank god there are fans of other clubs that can actually see what is in front of them!

[@kelvinnyah4190]

Am tired of hearing an independent panel said the decision was correct as if the match would have been replayed if they said the goal shouldn’t have stood. What did they do when they said Liverpool’s goal against Spurs should have stood?

[@myearsgotyouthsystem8802]

True

[@djobscene4239]

Martin gets so triggered and Simon just waits for the moment to put him in his place 😂

[@routineproofmusic454]

Martin is like a brick wall that thinks it's a computer.

[@phil19852010]

6:25 the disagreement leading to Keown threatening to leave

[@SingaporeGuy77]

One of Martin's best moments 😂

[@i.m1981]

And still made himself look stupid

[@lani1988]

@@i.m1981nope 👍🏾

[@madebymonkeys5641]

Would be nice if the ref gets a charge for incompetence instead of managers for pointing it out.

[@timwakley1770]

Very good point

[@voight-kampff3611]

Competence = education + experience! Which refs are not competent according to you?

[@seanb25]

They get demoted to championship/temporary suspension. Same as players get for getting a red card for making silly mistakes

[@mrjesabi]

It seems everyone in football should be held to account except football referees and var officials. Bizarre

[@laoch5658]

because the game is fixed

[@user-lx8vz6oc2b]

as a footy fan .the foul by joalinton would be given anywhere else on the pitch i am sure of that

[@michealpatt7584]

No it wouldn't Gabriel does this every time in fact he even did this today against colombia on Luis Diaz goal

[@jh230377]

Jim’s reaction at 15:28 😂😂😂

[@UBZUKki]

Well done Martin

[@michaeljp9605]

The real problem is the inconsistency from game to game

[@alexischristou3266]

I wonder if Keown would be this passionate if his beloved Arsenal didnt have an issue with VAR at the moment.

[@AceBanana100]

No he wouldnt...

[@jameshamblin8440]

He wouldn't be asked

[@khhaos865]

@@jameshamblin8440exactly

[@khhaos865]

@@lokischildren8714 ah yes like last year against Brentford, no complaints👍🏽

[@magikarpsplashy]

​@@khhaos865when Mbeumo had a goal ruled out because Gabriel just fell over.... again?

[@PGBSPURS17]

Keown blinded by bias and then Simon saying 11:57 "Gary Neville" for like the 5th time to completely kill Keowns argument 😂

[@calzonie5763]

That 4 out of 5 ex players saying it was the right decision was too funny after Martin said ex players should be in the VAR room 🤣

[@MySAMUEL32]

Corrupt former players

[@rosscleary9110]

They evidently don't understand the laws of the game then do they?

[@marcuscollins2486]

How many were former Arsenal players?

[@thecatbeast1]

Former players should not be anywhere near a VAR decision. They don’t understand the rules, or what makes a good rule. Time after time I hear these pundits making comments about, didn’t mean it… couldn’t help it etc….

[@JulioTr95]

hes just the biggest clown, none of this would matter if it was another team, he doesnt want var to be better, he wants Arsenal at the top no matter what@@BaronSpamedi

[@mainmansentertainment]

VAR isn't the problem per se, our expectations of VAR, is. Anyone who thought VAR would get rid of 'the grey area of the game' was always living in fantasy land. As Simon correctly pointed out, too much of the game itself is Subjective, and VAR cannot and will not solve that. Maybe we should go back to accepting that mistakes will always be part of the game. 🤷

[@fady02]

Subjective I can understand, but fans are expecting consistency. We see non-calls on fouls that were just called the previous games, we see ridiculous decisions (In the case of Arsenal, having a goal chalked off last season for a non-offside vs Brentford, another in the United loss, another in the Palace game and this season with Tomiyasu's red card, Kovacic not getting red-carded etc.) that should not be acceptable at this level of the game in the best league in the world. The inconsistency this season has been crazy. United had a goal ruled out (Vs Brighton?) for the ball being "out" even though the angle is almost exactly the same as the Newcastle goal which was then deemed "indecisive", and we see Haaland get a penalty for a touch/grab that is much softer than the one on Gabriel for the Newcastle goal. Fans don't know what is and isn't a foul anymore because the level of subjectivity and the "Grey zone" is different from game to game and it shouldn't be the case. It was more understandable with one ref who only gets to see things one time in full speed and can occasionally miss something, but now that they can properly view it, the incompetence isn't acceptable

[@harryale]

No, VAR is not the problem, the incompetent referees and Howard Webb is the problem.

[@mainmansentertainment]

@fady02 "Subjective I can understand, but fans are expecting consistency." That expectation is valid, but I have the same expectation of consistency from players and I don't always get it. I think Gabriel was pushed in the back, but as we see, others (including former players) aren't so sure. VAR will never be able to fix that. Better referees would help, but it will not lead to perfection.

[@scottjohnson3971]

Well said, but VAR did mess up in the Liverpool vs spurs game - VAR is there to correct clear and obvious mistakes not split hairs in the grey zone of a challenge… arsenal fans don’t have the case against VAR that they think they do, they have no evidence of a clear and obvious mistake.. people gotta stop projecting their standard for VAR into discussions

[@fady02]

@@scottjohnson3971 Arsenal fans do, because Guimaraes should have gotten a red card 100% in the first half but didn't.

[@theprodigyowl4660]

Keown is as thick as mince. What a man-child! And, as a side-note, can you imagine his career if VAR existed when HE played. He'd have never been on the pitch! The man is hilarious.🤣🤣

[@marcuscollins2486]

The sad reality about this hold thing if it were any other part of the pitch it would have being a straight up foul.

[@lostinthoughtscalminsilenc8167]

It’s so sad

[@davidtaylor2776]

The caller was definitely pretending to be a West Ham fan 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@2coinaphrase121]

What is Keown crapping on about. It’s not a foul to touch someones back. The defender has already stooped to head the ball. Sour grapes

[@DICECLUB]

F'ing Hell! Keown has made a right burk out of himself here 🤣🤣

[@bobbypukes605]

How so?

[@kwameaboagye-cl9me]

In what way? He talks sense.

[@aaronemerson7079]

Whaaa? You'll find Jordan was making himself look like a simp and a fool by being PGMOL and FA's puppet

[@howstupidcanyoube100]

@@bobbypukes605by being such an Arsenal simp. He’s getting worked up about a 50/50 foul

[@danofficial117]

@@bobbypukes605if you can’t see you never will

[@Clyde]

Simon tends to air his opinion in a matter-of-fact way..that's all..🤣 it just comes off as if all he says is true.he is just assertive..that tends to rub people the wrong way

[@shanginadildo]

Hated him, liked him now I can't stand him again

[@UweisSalim]

I agree with you. His word is final

[@goodwin9114]

Someone interrupted Martin’s morning yoga……. As an arsenal fan: should Arteta be charged for comments? Yeah probably. Was it a goal for Newcastle? Doesn’t matter. The games done. It could have been disallowed three times or it could have been given. Thems are the fine margins in football. Do when need technology to help someone come to a subjective opinion? No. VAR is deskilling the officials to the point at times it’s almost the infield officials and the VAR in direct opposition. VAR at this point should be limited to goal line technology and off the ball incidents. When it’s delivering at a one hundred percents effective capacity then expand its scope as opposed to throwing a technology shaped rock into the pond and having no idea what directions the waves are going to go. Even if VAR had a defining say: for example the game carries on and VAR spots a foul issues virtually a red or yellow card on behalf of on field official and at the next break in play it’s awarded on field. There are many example of how VAR could be used better instantly but it almost seems that the powers that be have taken the most awkward, difficult ridiculous path each and every time. Take time wasting and the 100 minute games. That can be ended almost completely almost immediately by simply allowing physios to come on (as in rugby) when a player goes down. When there’s no advantage to lying down on the grass and rolling down one’s sock for no reason and in fact becomes a serious disadvantage the players will stop. BUT instead of stopping time wasting we will just allow the time wasting to carry on and add more time on which the winning side tjme wastes anyway!!!!

[@sieundanyandika]

So the referees can go ahead and make wrong decisions but no one should complain?

[@dannytallmage2971]

Yea same with how the referees don’t complain when the players screw up.

[@ddave30]

Panel said it wasn't the wrong decision though. 😂

[@mjimlee]

​@@ddave30Panel of former man utd Players and liverpool what do u expect

[@sebastians1770]

The problem is not that this particular situation was deemed goal, the problem is that in 9/10 other similar situations they´ve judged it as a foul and on this they did not for whatever reason. The inconsistency is ridiculous and if they judge this as a no foul why was others deemed fouling for the exact same thing the week after and before? I understand Artetas view completely because if it was only a ref then I can understand it´s not always reffed the same, but with VAR it should be the same every time. If this is a foul the other 9 times it should have been this time too

[@warwickhunt]

9/10 times? are you sure about that, I see that challenge at 10/10 corners and it's rarely called a foul & even less often when the defenders are the ones doing it

[@hafizzR]

The decisions are made rightly or wrongly, players/managers get upset. Ok Arteta went a bit over the top but after the match, after having a moan & rant they move on thinking abt the nxt game. But Guess who keep these things, decision still alive & constantly on everyone's mind? The football media especially talk sport. These guys love it and they make these shows out them and bash the refs one week then support them the nxt!! They do all this without asking for change or solutions then get managers fined and all angry especially after the matches by putting mics in front of them knowing exactly what's gonna happen. They creat these situations they love it. They want more. Ridiculous behaviour

[@chuckyjudy]

VAR is not supposed to check every little thing that occurs on the pitch. VAR purpose is to correct "clear and obvious" errors by the referee. There were no clear and obvious errors with the decision to award the goal.

[@sebastians1770]

@@chuckyjudy This particular time they didn´t deem it as clear and obvious no, but it´s been "clear and obvious" enough many other times for the exact same and even milder push, that´s the point

[@mickcampbell1797]

@@chuckyjudy Liverpools goal against Spurs??? Without getting deep into it, if you think that Joelintons cahllenge was not a foul, then you know nothing about football. Not one person I've talked to in every day life has seen the challenge as anything other than a blatant foul. Keyboard warriors make the best liars.

[@ianspurs8482]

Keown not happy with 2 hands on Gabriels back but doesn't say anything when Gabriel does the same to others. Typical Arsenal fan

[@MohammedAnelly-so2yn]

All we want is the consistency.... You can't say it is not a foul today and tomorrow is a foul in a different game. The bais towards some clubs is too much. Justice should be served in all angels.

[@MrBannystar]

Did you not watch or listen to the video? The whole point is that you can't have consistency when certain decisions are subjective, and you'll never get consistency with contentious fouls. And when you talk about bias you enter conspiracy land where the system is out to get a team for no apparent reason.

[@rojalesgary7355]

Jesus wept 🤔😤🤭🤦‍♂️🤬 how deluded is Martin Keown ffs!?!?! Coming from MK a statement like “he had 2 hands on his back it’s a foul” he needs to look at 90 minutes of PL football and see how many times a player has 2 hands on another players back??? As an example look at Carragher talking about Mo Salah’s handball against Leeds last season??.

[@simonmooney944]

I have never heard a fan base go on for so long about a single decision

[@NouserID2]

Liverpool fans

[@monkeyboy007007]

Simon continuing to live rent free in Martin's head 😂

[@mickcampbell1797]

All staged, mate. It's all for clicks and ratings.

[@helltrain616]

@@mickcampbell1797Keown must be the worlds finest actor then. Because there’s no way him getting that worked up was staged.

[@mickcampbell1797]

@@helltrain616 . All the best actors in the world hey paid lots of money. Look at how the show goes. It's all about who can shout the loudest. Unless you're getting paid very well, no normal human being will stay in such an unreasonable debate. Forgetting about the ball out, the offside, the handball. The blatant foul alone was enough to reasonably rule out the goal. Danny Murphy suggested in another show that had that happened, it probably wouldn't have been challenged! White and Jordan seemed to agree! Yep. I respect your opinion, but to me, that show is staged, big time.

[@Harpsichordification]

Talk Sport and every other mainstream media outlet completely miss the problem with referees and VAR at the moment. It's the consistency of the calls that's the problem. Identical situations happen all the time and one week its a foul and the next week it's not. THAT'S the problem with VAR. It doesn't add anything coz the rules seem to change week to week, so there's just no point in it.

[@RichClark-hd4xc]

That's the point regarding using ex-players - tehy have different opinions - inconsistency is inevitable.

[@mjimlee]

They are a part of the establishment

[@mjimlee]

and part of the Problem

[@TabulaRasa666]

It's difficult to follow the threads of this discussion...these two ask their guests a question which they would like him/her to answer. But as soon as they start responding they interrupt and talk over them... with what they consider the answer should be. It's pointless viewing!

[@ashrobinson4604]

An independent review panel supported the PGMOL. Who are the jokers on the panel? Why are they anonymous?

[@edizldn1]

THIS!!!!

[@amiraliazimi9679]

Martin's arguments are not valid in this situation. He just keeps saying the same thing and gets the same answers and he says the same thing.

[@JulioTr95]

he wont stop crying until the refs favors Arsenal, the only way they will win something

[@blackkid128]

@@JulioTr95Manchester City unpunished from 115 charges is the only way they will continue winning. Just ask their big brother Chelsea

[@dontworryaboutit7162]

This isnt an Arsenal problem pal. Even most non arsenal fans can see that @@JulioTr95

[@JulioTr95]

yes bro keep telling yourself that, i didnt saw any charges on the field last seaons treble@@blackkid128

[@jmc6720]

Keown is clueless. How does he get any screen time?

[@simondalzell5635]

Arteta's a complete KNOB. He NEVER stops whining.

[@martinstanford2071]

Typical Neanderthal comment ( and I bet you don’t even know what than means ) 😂😂

[@danielcrane3648]

keown was nearly crying 🤣

[@itoroekpo1102]

Arsenal just a bunch of babies 😂

[@razorman1977]

Martin you have lost it. What I find amazing is that it's a contact sport and hands will naturally go on to a player. Martin, I am sure you have bent the rules and pulled people around where arsenal won when you played. Arsenal won games with bad decisions but you would take it. Take your arsenal tinted glasses off, you sound ridiculous!

[@SBean22]

I applaud you martin keep speaking up good to see someones not scared to question it curruption in this league is real like the Kardashians why the circus carrys on n look at wolves been robbed by var n officials this season all clubs should ask for investigation into the var for five years its been here get the mistakes corrected n take right steps to move forward

[@neilcroonM3]

and breathe

[@SBean22]

Ahaha alright mate 😂

[@lamarisaac7449]

I'm with Martin on this. Plus Jim was just winding him up too about Arsenal 😆. Great Show!

[@user-oi4bj4cv7u]

Keown acting like a narcissist.... seems to be spreading through the club like wildfire since Arteta arrived.... our club has become more and more cringe....

[@garybarker8541]

I bet Jim used to be a tuck monitor and a right grass at school !😂 love this show 👍

[@stephengemmell5737]

That makes absolute sense due to being a radio host 🫣 great input there pal 🤔🤔

[@garybarker8541]

@@stephengemmell5737 oh I get it , tuck boys Union eh 🙄 not my fault u don't get it 💁‍♂️

[@alexcoyg3281]

If it was Palace you would not even bring it up, Media ignores lower positioned clubs that get screwed with Refs and VAR, because that does not create as much hype as Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and so on...this is all just a football Kardashians 😂

[@alexcoyg3281]

@ynwa9621 Sure. So was your loss to Spurs.

[@shaunlee2135]

Exactly if this happened to palace or spurs we’d be hearing something completely different from Simon.

[@ryang790]

My god Mark clatternberg was a very iffy Ref. It's amusing that these two think their opinion is above Martin's..

[@AB-wr8vl]

I hope Martin Keown gets a HUGE bonus for putting up with Jordan. Jordan is a narcissistic bully.

[@middleman9183]

not at all

[@gijoe678]

Simon's summoning his inner Eric Cartman. "Respect my authority".

[@adamg8814]

God dammit!

[@Wonderscope1]

Whenever I see ex-players talk , I realize IQ is not necessary to become a footballer.

[@PaulChrysaphiades]

Simon Jordan loves the sound of his own voice. Martin is absolutely right in what he’s saying. We expect better from referees and VAR in their decision process which is nothing to do with the physical tools available. Simon’s narrative is to say ‘don’t criticise me, I’m just doing my job’. That’s an attitude problem. Two hands on the back = foul

[@samplewhore7980]

Not a foul

[@tomlowry4927]

It's subjective. There is never gonna be a correct call that will please everyone.

[@patrickmcdonagh539]

In fairness you couldn't be in room week after week with Simon and not lose it

[@danieloconnor3461]

Why Jim always smirking and looking at Simon Sick Jordon like some sick puppy

[@redouanedjerboua8869]

Basically, Keon could not hear him self crying about a goal against Arsenal

[@dandean8481]

If that’s what you take from this stop watching footy 😩

[@amsmi26]

How many apologies have we received since last season because of incorrect decisions by the referees and var? It keeps happening and Arteta has every right to speak about it.

[@vincentvries9854]

He can speak on it all he wants when decisions go against them but he has to speak on it when his team benefits too...that's all.

[@spinachpies]

They haven't apologised to arsenal for an incorrect decision. There was no incorrect decision

[@jamesrobertson3124]

Keown is spot on in relation to the technology not being good enough. He does however need to look up the word subjective and apply it to his own thought processes if that is possible.