"The Games Gone!" Cundy & O'Hara CLASH Over Whether Anthony Gordon's Goal Should Have Stood!

[@rmstew]

For Toon's goal, the rules were applied correctly. The debate is is whether or not the rules are correct. (Toon had a goal - correctly - disallowed against Villa because the goal itself was from an accidental handball).

[@shaundodd2979]

Yes but went in from hand big joe want the scorer’s arm

[@shaundodd2979]

Rule is can’t score directly from hand once it’s passed between 2 more players different all together

[@jameswade442]

Same thing happened for our first goal against Sheff Utd in the 8-0 last season. Ball ricochets onto Gordon's hand which is by his side, he passes to Longstaff who scores.

[@moulinyan]

if you now have 10 instances of natural ball to hand scenarios which lead to goals, and that becomes the meta, the laws will be changed so to allow it in individual cases is wrong.

[@SoulFlyShogun]

@rmstew I don't know what the rules are to be honest, and I bet many fans don't either. It should be simple, if it's intentional handball then it's a foul, if it's not intentional play on. How many penalties are conceded for non intentional handball. Games a mess

[@kyled96]

Read the rule book, it states that the goal was absolutely fine. Nothing to even debate. O’hara thick as a castle wall.

[@harryn1602]

He's not arguing its against the rules, he is arguing that the rule is stupid. He's wrong both ways, but quite ironic you calling someone else thick after completely missing the premise of his argument 😂

[@GreetingCommittee]

If that's the case, then he should be able to communicate the difference between saying it 'IS' handball and saying it 'SHOULD BE' handball.

[@rockyparks8496]

Wrong, it says goal or goal scoring opportunity...you read the rule book

[@louiseurbancountry1344]

😂

[@kyled96]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@harryn1602He is literally saying it is handball & shouldn’t have been allowed. Therefore that alone is disagreeing/arguing against the rulebook. Not often Cundy speaks sense but he is here. Accidental, ball to hand, move on.

[@AllyBeee1]

accidental hand ball doesn't matter unless its a direct goal, read the rules.

[@temporaryuseraccount0012]

The point is, other clubs will be penalised. "Certain" clubs don't.

[@shaundodd2979]

We went out the champions league because of same thing against psg

[@michaeljohnson-km6ig]

​@shaundodd2979 European games have different rules on handball.

[@shaundodd2979]

Pointing want hand ball and neither was that hand down by side

[@jimjogger306]

Points to rules 'Whenever it feels like it'

[@chrisrpm8728]

I'm a Spurs fan and it was a clear case of ball-to-hand, not even worth raising a fuss over. It happened in the 6th minute, just get on with it and win the bloody game! I'm embarrassed by Ange there, Newcastle really should've had a pen, so its swings and roundabout, that's football! And as for 'deserving to win the game', as Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, "deserves got nothing to do with it." You're the manager, how about giving the player a rollicking for not being able to slot a pass without hitting the opposition player - instead of having a tantrum over the ref, who got the decision right!

[@joelthomson8697]

Refreshing to see a Spurs fan with their head screwed on. Ref had a terrible game all round but this was one decision he got correct, by the actual rules of the game.

[@Chez114]

Wow, mate. I'm pleasantly impressed by your unbiased take. I respect your comment. All the best for thd rest of your season

[@chrisrpm8728]

@@Chez114 cheers pal, all the best.

[@paulhadden-tv9be]

Top man 👍if Tottenham had a full squad they would have won

[@Stretchycat36]

Ball to hand, not leading directly to a goal. End of conversation

[@robpayne2918]

Hand came out towards ball, led directly to a goal. End of conversation.

[@gary4wood]

Handball affected procession and that led to a goal. No hand ball Tottenham would be in Newcastle half and I wouldn't be wasting my time typing this !!

[@TheBlueGeezer]

To be clear its IMMEDIATELY leading to a goal not "directly", so in other words it needs to be kicked in the net straight away for it to be an offense. so its a goal.

[@phoenixrisin5848]

There's some thick cnts here mind, if Joelinton had took possession of the ball immediately afterwards then the goal would've been disallowed. He didn't, it ricocheted to Bruno hence a different passage of play. I appreciate people get partisan but that's the rule and why the goal stood.

[@Theleader209]

Bournemouth Fan, Joe was 5 feet away, hand down by his side and the ball was pelted at his arm nothing he can do and no hand ball

[@aarontaylor2308]

That decision was one of the only ones the ref got right. 2nd half, he might as well have had a Spurs shirt on. Stonewall penalty on Gordon and Botman gets booked for exactly the same challenge. 12.5 minutes of added time too.

[@DELUSIONALDANNYG2]

Gordon literally got his nose broken and never even won a foul

[@19daness]

Should have been a penalty but Tottenham had a extra player

[@phoenixfire6559]

@@19daness To be fair they also had Timo so it was 11v11.

[@rdgrech]

You can't avoid that nose.

[@alibabashero]

That's because his honker is bloody huge! Kulusevski couldn't avoid it.

[@paulcavanagh1294]

The lad dives all the time! It's embarrassing

[@SoulFlyShogun]

Im a Spurs fan and that Ange interview worries me big time. He sounds so agitated and that is never a good thing. Spurs didnt win because they werent good enough no excuses

[@TheJohnboyhunter]

How can Ange be more angry over a 1-2 loss, than he was after conceding 6 to Liverpool? The bloke has lost the plot.

[@SoulFlyShogun]

@TheJohnboyhunter he's losing confidence in his own tactics. Every interview he says he loves the way we played even when the same errors happen time and time again.

[@aysteria4ever]

Nah. I'm a united fan. That matterface was baiting him the whole interview. Ange did well

[@JustSomebody-e9h]

@@SoulFlyShogun he is agitated with the refereeing decision? Agree or disagree with the decision, but he has made his opinion clear.

[@ninjashrimpgaming2657]

Love it when people get so rattled when they dont know the rules. No mention of the pen Newcastle should have had, what a suprise. Cheers for the 6 points

[@WonderfulHorseShoe-uf8qq]

👍👍👍👍👍⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️up the geordies.

[@jlimbac0]

What pen? There was no pen.

[@jackkeane6]

Forest fan here. Spurs give away 6 points any cry about it 😂 good luck for the rest of the season apart from when you play us mate hope we both get top 4

[@JamesWilsonMD]

Or the corner off of Spence's foot, but they will conveniently forget all of that.

[@ninjashrimpgaming2657]

@@jackkeane6 you 2 mate, anybody but the big 6

[@Mickey-s09]

If it’s not a pen in the box it’s not a free kick outside the box

[@dannybradley8391]

That's not how football works.

[@Mickey-s09]

@ that’s exactly how it works 😂😂😂😂😂😂 there’s not 2 sets of rules 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dannybradley8391]

@@Mickey-s09 Maybe you don't watch or have never played football but the rules are subjective. Fouls leading to a free shot at goal from 12 yards out are and never will be given at the same frequency relative to fouls leading to less of an advantage. If your black and white opinion were true, the slight touch of a defender's back around their own box would also be given to an attacker in the opposition's box. We'd be having 10 penalties a game you absolute fool 😂

[@dannybradley8391]

@@Mickey-s09 Tell me you've never watched nor played the game without telling me 😂

[@MemphisFlash84]

No mention of the fouls on Gordon in the penalty area!!

[@peterhaines6535]

Ange losing the plot how could they have won the game they only scored once 😅

[@Aysquared]

😂😂😂😂

[@theblues8840]

Ohara thinks Spurs should be given a foul because they kicked the ball at someone’s hand 🤣

[@bordeauxbobby]

Won't address the fact it was an awful pass

[@nathanunitedheilbron5676]

🤡

[@WilliamGarrow]

O'Hara used to be a footballer..He knows more than you do.

[@gamerguru2924]

@@WilliamGarrow so was cundy ya daft sod

[@philliphealy3797]

@@WilliamGarrowso was Jason Cundy and strangely he disagrees with him too, so I’m guessing being a professional has nothing to do with it but the rules do

[@ashington1779]

O hara is on about as much drugs as ange.

[@caretaker6160]

Eddie Howe managed the game well, resting most of his players doing light defense training in the second half whilst allowing Gordon to walk around the pitch doing nothing for 15 mins after his nose injury and concentrating on that. Ange is unhinged. An actor on drugs. THFC is a total joke. 95 quid cheapest seat in the South Stand. Half of South Asia in the club shop buying 100 + quid shirts? What happened to the working class game of Football? Ange acting like a spoilt 4 year old brat over a simple handball decision that went to Newcastle. Newcastle could have been 4 1 up in the first half and deservedly so. But Big Ange says spurs should have won. He's lost 10 games in the league. A total joke for a so called top 4 side.

[@derekbrown6147]

Ali McCoist said goal, Joe Hart said goal. Karen Carney said not so its obviously a goal 😂

[@flaigus]

I’m angry at the spurs player kicking the ball at the Newcastles players hand.

[@nicklevitt6395]

Spurs need to go all out and get nuno santo from forrest😅

[@aimhi.ducklow4213]

They had him already😊

[@FatherJack-73]

​@@aimhi.ducklow4213I'm pretty sure that's the joke 😂

[@kishennandha9127]

😂😂😂

[@Casanovakingfrankenstein]

@@aimhi.ducklow4213He’s being sarcastic.

[@johnhampton6462]

Newcastle had 10 out every week last season..

[@johnclegg4993]

3 keepers on the bench just for numbers some matches, was not mentioned much.

[@ballbag3460]

The ref was Tottenham 12’th man on the pitch and you complain

[@geordiejaygaming2878]

Second half the ref was awful and was in spurs favour

[@southlondonmonkey]

​@@geordiejaygaming2878First half he should have sent off Burn for a 2nd yellow for handball - Joelinton should have been off for persistent fouls

[@billyrobinson9569]

ive just checked the results it says 2-1 to newcastle so the goal does stand no debate you muppets

[@marvellis6762]

Ball to hand. Not looking and arm down to the side. Goal should stand

[@jaryd12345]

You can debate about whether the rule is fair, but under the way the rules are written, it clearly should have stood, end of.

[@joelthomson8697]

O'Hara literally saying that it's a foul because it prevented a Spurs counter attack.

[@alanlittle3941]

Eddie's shithouse Mags are back and the cartel hate it. Bring on Starmers Gooners on Tuesday. HWTL

[@robertcleminson3100]

shhhh if we win starmer may cut my dole

[@MrLewbaah]

You’re 5th 😂😂😂

[@dango247]

Letter of the law says it stands no debate

[@daz4355]

Letter of the law says you can't gain an advantage from a handball actually.

[@FountainOfYoot]

Oooh I think we have a debate on our hands

[@davidwebster5946]

​@@daz4355 no it doesn't 😅 you can't score directly from touching your hand but if your hands are in a natural position its not a foul

[@fodaytarawali6613]

💯 Letter of the law but we all know the change has caused goals like this. However if the ball hits the ref accidentally it's a free kick 😂

[@FountainOfYoot]

@@dango247 what does the actual letter of the law say? 😊

[@Tulkas219]

O'Hara embarrassed himself there. Not for the first time.

[@JL-nk1pc]

His whole life has been an embarrassment

[@GizmoTheViking]

not for the last either

[@alibabashero]

The problem here is there is no consistency. In any other game the ref blows for a free kick. The rules are bonkers 😂😂😂

[@SirHargreeves]

Cundy spot on

[@brandonthorpe8124]

100% pal o hara wrong

[@johnlampard5551]

Unless its chelsea

[@TPL13862]

100000% handball

[@ciarancoyle918]

Cundy spot on. O'Hara is clueless and clearly doesn't know the rules.

[@paulcoverley4115]

The 2nd time Gordon was assaulted by a shoulder to his face ,no action taken shocking

[@dethrocker]

😂😂😂😂

[@GizmoTheViking]

Action was taken, ref stopped the play for possible head injury.

[@DELUSIONALDANNYG2]

Perfect goal. All within the rules. Your arms can’t get anymore natural than by your side.

[@toddy505]

Loved the interview with Ange 😂 the big fella is losing the plot !!

[@kkiat424]

If there is conspiracy against Tottenham then y Anthony Gordon didn't even a penalty after being whack with broken nose? Y no red card to Solanke by Kung Fu kick the goalkeeper?

[@Stretchycat36]

Ange says he would have won today but remove the handball and its a draw..... 😂

[@Panzer13613]

Ball to hand. Do we want a game where eveyone runs with their arms behind their backs? Already bad enough how defenders are jumping with arms at their sides or behind them at corners. Ya need ya arms for propulsion when jumping and when running. The whole game has gone mad with too many quangos examining each rule then dissecting them with ridiculous precision and forgetting about common sense and what the rule was invented for, what is was meant to stop. Deliberate handballs, players purposely handling the ball for theirs or the teams advantage. Like the offside rule has gone crazy now. Players armpits or laces offside. It was made to stop a player goal hanging so they couldn't just hang about by opposition goal and one of their players hoofs it to him when play is on the other side of the pitch. Thats been forgotten now it seems. Now its just a joke in what its become!

[@roryjamieson8439]

This is the problem, we have defenders defending with their arms behind their backs which is ridiculous.

[@bradillingworth]

Should not have kicked the ball at his hand.

[@bendavidjohn]

Ah the Spurs fan says Handball. Any comment on the penalty on Gordan?

[@justinshipley9652]

What’s the Tottenham manager on? He genuinely believes his team should have won. They had the referee with them for the whole second half. Ffs

[@stevenb7794]

The ref tried his hardest to give spurs a draw he played 12 1/2 mins extra time

[@Adamm357]

We finally have some consistency in regard to the handball law, and people still complain 🤷‍♂️

[@Ac3man]

10 minutes later they gave a handball that had the guy with his arms behind him. If you showed a video of both instances to people 100% of them would say Joelinton was the one ruled a handball.

[@Online_Me_Mush]

How is he meant to react quick enough to move his arm out the way from 3 yards out. Keep crying Hara, Gordon should of had a pen, justice.

[@mattrichardson2451]

You mean the same way Dier couldnt possibly react quickly enough a few years ago? Result - penalty.

[@Online_Me_Mush]

​@mattrichardson2451 maybe cause his arms right up in the air to the side therefore its not in a natural position because its above his shoulders, read the rules

[@GoldenbanjoDJ]

@@Online_Me_Mushthese divvies have no powers of reasoning. They see ‘ball hit hand therefore handball every time’ even whilst the rules are very clear that there are exceptions

[@Andy-kg9ud]

@@mattrichardson2451 rules have changed about 3 times since then so irrelevant comment

[@andrewdavies7346]

Not handball in a million years, that is the definition of an accidental handball and they were right to play on.

[@billgordon6489]

Christ the ref gave you an extra 12 minutes and you still couldn’t score another 😂

[@GeordieDreadTV]

What was Joelinton meant to do?. HAND TO BALL. Salty lot .. kmt

[@ArsenalReborn_]

got a havertz goal disallowed vs villa last season away. idk they just need to stick to one rule for all and be consistent. as stupid as uefa is, at least they’re consistently stupid

[@AllanM2e0]

No mention that we should have had a penalty too.

[@michaeljohnson-km6ig]

​@@ArsenalReborn_rules can change season to season

[@Phillyphnatic]

@@AllanM2e0the Gordon kulu clash was completely accident and almost impossible to prevent. What about the elbow from joelington?

[@GoldenbanjoDJ]

@@ArsenalReborn_can’t remember it. Did it come of havertz hand?

[@ItsSafehands]

Is there somewhere we can listen to the whole show on catchup?

[@shaifur2rahman]

Does anyone else think the reason for his defenders injured is the way big Ange plays? They're always chasing back due to the high line. 😂

[@craigfroude8109]

It’s not hand ball… full stop

[@robertgrant008]

When Arteta said the ref was a disgrace,against Newcastle he said you need to respect the referees 1yr on his opinion has completely changed

[@kym1160]

You tell him Cundy..you're spot on👍

[@Dave-ug9bh]

This bloke obviously doesn't understand the actual rule eh

[@steviee4787]

Why does north London cry so much? Arsenal, spurs, managers, fans,, they allll just seem to cry 😂

[@connor7162]

Unbelievable isn’t it. And the funniest bit is they cry when the refs actually get it right

[@myshowcase8818]

Jamie O'Hara and Ange Postecoglou need to learn the Laws of Football to understand the difference between 'handball' and 'handball offence'. There are only four circumstances in which handball becomes an offence when committed by an outfield player: 1 deliberate touching of the ball with hand/arm; 2 being struck on hand/arm when its making their body unnaturally bigger; 3 a player scores a goal directly from their own hand/arm; and 4 a player scores a goal immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm. A goal is not to be disallowed if a player other than the scorer handballs without committing an offence even in the immediate build up to the goal.

[@dylanjohnson4557]

"It completely stopped the counter attack!" Should've played a better ball then. Aimed for his hand

[@Marais-cu3vo]

When Jason Cundy is the reasonable one.... O'Hara is deluded.

[@scottwwfc]

No one knows the rules anymore. The football community has never been more divided when comes to what is and what's not.

[@GoldenbanjoDJ]

Exactly. People can’t read the rules. They just assume that they know what they are. ‘Ball hit hand therefore handball’… couldn’t be further from the truth

[@scottwwfc]

@GoldenbanjoDJ but then you can't deny that some rules are killing the sport

[@GoldenbanjoDJ]

@@scottwwfc the rules aren’t the issue. The lack of consistency in applying them correctly is

[@jiellwood]

Give Jamie Ohara a medal for putting up with Jason Cundy 🤣

[@Brearo]

Impostercoclu 😂😂😂 Man of the people is wearing thin

[@mainstonejunctionoutstable5625]

Know the rules lads - like joe hart said, you don’t play opinion , you play the rules , that’s all that matters - debate over

[@kevlfc9223]

Never hand ball

[@gl.208]

I think Ange was referring to the obvious handball to play through defence when defender was on a yellow card. Should have been a second yellow as he was the last line of defence on the break.

[@mheung910]

"I've never and I never will talk to referees about the rules of the game. I was taught that you grow up and you respect the officials." "If we get a red card and a penalty against us, so what? Let's cop it and let's go again." - Ange "Raygun" PosteNoClue

[@Crouchy232323]

Utter woke nonsense

[@polreamonn]

You'll be sleeping with the wallabies tonight mate.

[@ochukwu]

AND.... the kangaroos.

[@nettlewarrior8627]

The bigger debate is how Ange thinks they would have won the game. Pretty sure you have to score goals to do that.

[@pareshmistry282]

The challenge on Gordon should be talked about

[@carlosgk1]

Arsenal fan here that was a hand ball all day the rule should be you cant take advantage of a handball (ball to hand) but also the shoulder check to Anthony Gordon’s face was a PK

[@ronniesiyum6679]

I love these two💛

[@jamiesmall6208]

Ange definitely didn't watch the game I watched 😂

[@dveryblueblood]

Going by the rules, it's actually a goal. The annoying thing is, the same rule says "if the ball hits an attacking player's arm, accidentally ( when in a natural position) and a goal is scored in the process by the same player, the goal will not stand". That's absolutely garbage to me. If you don't judge it to be a hand ball because the goal was scored by another player why would the goal not stand simply because it was scored by the same player? Too many fossils in FIFA

[@chrisdonnelly7401]

the ball hit joelintons thigh before his arm which was in a natural position so no problem up the mags

[@user-iz9co4qf6z]

Joelinton could do nothing else so how can he be judged to have conducted a foul?

[@devannaicker9537]

You could make an argument, that the Gordon goal should not have stood, it's debatable. However, that tackle by Kulusevski on Gordon, in the box, should have resulted, in a penalty anyway. Nobody, seems to mention this.

[@jackwallace9956]

O’Hara has made me agree with Cundy, should be ashamed of himself

[@Pois3n]

If that touch off Joellinton's hand directly scored a goal it would be turned over. It wouldn't be "oh well it was accidental and by his side, that's a goal". That's the inconsistency. Handballs should be benefit of doubt given to the defender (e.g. blasted from 1 metre into the hand is not a penalty) and not the attacker.

[@SoulControlla99]

Not a handball. At all. The only way that doesn't count as a goal is if it strikes his hand and goes in the net. Like Bruno's goal that was disallowed vs Villa. And rightly so.

[@ItsSafehands]

We haven't had ''ball to hand, hand to ball'' since 1995! The rule isn't that anymore.

[@Minimearings]

If a striker scores a goal that comes off his hand like that, it is not given. End of.

[@recordocoombs7564]

Hand Ball clearly as it impacted the game directly

[@reecetomm]

Professional footballers are perfectly capable of hitting a ball straight into someone’s hand. Therefore you can’t award every single handball as being a fault because the game will then just become about players trying their best to hit each others hand at every opportunity and gain every foul. You can’t score a goal with your hand, but after that if the ball is hit with enough power that it goes straight to a person’s hand and the person is unable to move their hand in realistic time then you just have to rule it as Play-On and leave it at that.

[@footballmadness4690]

Jason Cundy is right ✅️

[@BRKS1999]

So the ball doesn’t go directly in from his hand. The hand is in a natural position. The distance it comes from also allows Joelinton no chance to move. So it stands that it’s not a handball. I’m not saying I agree or disagree but that’s just how it is

[@deividas_kimontas]

Spurs! 😂😂

[@fire23wong]

O’Hara kept insisting it was a handball just because he supports Spurs. If it had been a Spurs goal, he would’ve kept quiet. Learn the rules before you get a job LMAO. Stop saying that you know the rules, you know nothing.

[@AmjadNazir-x1s]

Spurs and Ange are made for each other

[@Robert.Sheard]

Ange has lost the plot, O'Hara never found the plot, and Spurs fans are turning into ExcusesFC.

[@michaeljp9605]

The rules say it’s not a handball - period!

[@Baron-Ortega]

I can't see what Joe could have done about it, it was blasted right at him. He wasn't even looking at the ball.

[@alantheloneranger]

The handball rule will always be controversial. If that exact scenario happened on the goal line it would be a penalty if it stopped the ball going into the net even though it was accidental. But in open play it stopped the ball going to an opponent but it isn't hand ball

[@domscott1207]

What planet is this guy on ? As an ex pro that played in the football league, now coaching in Australia, Ange Postecoglou is an eye opener to the rest of the world what level of football and coaching comes out of Australia - might be decent in some of the more mediocre leagues of the world; Japan, Scotland, Australia, but for Spurs fans, I promise you this guy is not going to get any better. As a Newcastle fan too, I’m glad to see most Spurs fans aren’t as absolutely clueless as O’Hara is, and most of you are saying it should have stood

[@abdirahimulusow6959]

If the ball hits someone's hand on the way to a goal being scored, we have always had them pulled back. Should not have stood. I am an arsenal fan

[@galacticfederations]

Ang is starting to sound like a manager in trouble desperately searching for excuses

[@BelloqProductions01]

Ange cry baby

[@baz3338]

Hey Cundy Rashford would turn your fortunes around seeing as you're so fond of his attitude

[@michaeljohnson-km6ig]

Exactly, they have Sancho, won't be long until he's criticising him

[@fenfeeble]

Are these two the thickest pundits in football? 😂 It’s like watching two kids, when watching these two debate a point of contention.

[@niksinton4400]

it comes up off his thigh first before it hits his hand. nothing he could do.

[@stevevanrensburg8674]

If that ball went in the goal off Joelintins hand with it being tucked in as the guys say, it wouldn’t have been given. It should be the same all around the pitch.

[@Dunc25535]

As a toon fan, do I agree with the rule no, but does the goal stand within the current rules of the game yes 100%