GONE (S4E02) The Michael Ironside Beef & Shower Scenes with Clark’s Junior

[@cloismagic]

Erica has said that she got nervous, forgot her line and just called Clark “Smallville”. While it was coined in other versions like the 96 Superman animated series, Erica improvised it for the show & it quickly became her nickname for Clark. The best part of this episode were all the banter scenes with Lois and Clark. The chemistry is already on fire ❤️‍🔥

[@BibleBreakout]

Smallville nickname: Probably because the first time she saw Clark he was nude 😂

[@asyouwish3636]

their chemistry was electric! started off strong from the very first scene, and only grew from there. by time we get to S9 it's explosive ❤ 🔥 🔥 🔥

[@jasminemagee410]

I love how the arm punch became Clois's thing because Erica would punch Tom when she messed up her lines ❤

[@ianlassitter2397]

The lines the writers used between them many times made me laugh out loud. Great acting and writing. Great delivery.

[@Vixin24]

Wow I didn't know that's where it came from! Awesome! Their chemistry was so incredible right from the beginning and just builds as the series goes on. I love these first four episodes of S4 for all the early Clois banter!

[@audrajohnston2506]

That shower scene is the funniest. Totally holds up. They both played it great! Tom doesn't get enough credit for his acting chops!

[@DerekThomasLirio]

Yeah, they play the friction great. I understand Clark's embarrassment at Lois seeing him in the shower. Considering that at this point in the show, Clark's pair is in Lana's possession.

[@chrisf3280]

The way Tom lights up about Lois and Erica, he’s a total fanboy. Tom just shines with Erica and we saw it with Clark and Lois. LOL we get it Tom she is amazing, and he got to work with her so he would know. BTW I love how Tom just gets it when it comes to Lois as well. He points how she’s confident, and isn’t apologetic and has a heart of gold- something Tom can attest to with Erica who also has a heart of gold. Tom giving Erica praises is beautiful because she deserves it.

[@ms.mccs1]

about the shower scene i love when clark picks through the curtains and you can see only his very scared eye 😂 great “eye acting”

[@cherylebbs2079]

I thought so too! Lol

[@blackdogbrown]

Peeks*

[@colbymarin3912]

My favorite shot of the entire show

[@bryandwillis321]

Smallville: name of the town where Clark Kent grew up, the main setting of the show, but also Lois Lane's nickname for Clark, meaning he could go anywhere, the show could change settings, and he would still be Smallville. That’s romantic.

[@asyouwish3636]

YESSS. . . I never understood why it was such a big deal to the naysayers about how much time was spent in Metropolis in the later seasons. "Smallville" was in Clark's heart. they literally could've had him off world for an entire season and the title would still be appropriate cuz Smallville was who Clark was. Even Lois says it in S10, Smallville is her home (because it's Clark) ❤

[@littlew0men]

the shower scene will forever be iconic!

[@Costas22]

For what? The penis joke?

[@primerose9555]

No. Because it's funny and awkward. Did I mention funny? 😂

[@littlew0men]

@@primerose9555exactly 😂

[@primerose9555]

​@@littlew0men Ayo. That dude deleted his comment. Now it looks like I'm denying yours😅

[@littlew0men]

@@primerose9555 i saw it ahaha don't worry! 😂

[@Thunderflare99]

The shower scene with Clark and Lois has been a scene that's always stuck with me. Erica's Lois and banter with Clark is hilarious and brought new life to show. In hindsight, her character changed the show from being the "same old" Smallville stuff, and now Lois keeps the audience guessing what's she's going to do and say next.

[@Vixin24]

Agreed! I think Lois breathed new life into the show and became such a huge highlight of the series. And I've always loved that shower scene, it's so funny.

[@TalkVillePodcast]

yeah great intro to their banter

[@superman8110]

Yes! Season 4 is the transition season. Perfect from top to bottom.

[@juliebey8240]

@@TalkVillePodcastlove when Clark clarifies “showers….we were taking showers 🚿 “ plural….the look on his face😂

[@CorbCorbin]

It really gave the show a shot of adrenaline, as far as the romance drama, until later.

[@tinatinarmainteresebs9255]

Tom saying "this was fun" about every single Lois scene is SO ME 😂Same, Tom! Also, the whole shower- no, sorry, separate showeeeerrs scene and later parent interrogation is so iconic (I know that's right Bryce, excellent choice btw 😂)! And I want to talk about Tom and Erica's chemistry and how great of comedic actors they both are with fantastic comedic timing, just playing off each other so naturally, just snap snap snap, super fun. With years they will turn into such a formidable team, a true dynamic duo that's a joy to watch! Plus it's so good that Tom's now given such comedic material thanks to Lois, he's a natural in the genre. Oh and loved you guys standing up for Erica about her unfair deal/contract, great to see.

[@Vixin24]

Haha literally me too. Throughout the whole show, even in slower episodes I always found every Lois scene great and fun! And I totally agree that bringing Lois in and having scenes with Clark really allowed Clark more comedic material. He had great banter and lightheartedness with her that he didn't have with Lana or Lex (because of all the drama) so it was always really refreshing when they were together. And then even later when they become a couple, they still maintain that fun energy!

[@andersonrockeravenger6749]

I HATE Lois/Erica Durance in the show, i always have!

[@DerekThomasLirio]

Well, it is, in reality, a bit difficult to have a formal interaction with someone you met while he was fully nude. I feel like that would set a sort of tone for their friendship going forward. Especially considering how forward Lois is. Think about any of your closest friends. How would your friendship be any different if the first time you ever met them, they were fully nude, making no attempt to conceal themselves. That would probably set a certain tone for your friendship.

[@ChristinaTaft]

These scenes were so fun and bright for everyone!! Always looked forward to them especially in earlier seasons

[@divinelangene6813]

​@@andersonrockeravenger6749I hate Lana and I always will

[@richardthemagician8991]

I just want to give a shout-out to Michael! He made a cameo for my friend last week who had bilateral hernia surgery and is getting through it by binge watching Smallville (again lol). I've seen other cameos and they feel more like someone leaving a voice message. Michael actually took his time do you understand who he was creating the message for and thought about what he was going to say and we were really appreciate it. He woke up to it in his inbox and it made his entire week. You are a true gentleman, Michael! From the bottom of my heart, thank you!

[@blancoshask]

Michael's a real one that's for sure.

[@LiLisa24]

Michael is a beautiful soul! I love this!! Thank you for sharing. Wishing your friend a speedy recovery.

[@wellingdurancefans]

Erica was born to play Lois Lane. Loved the romantic banter. Lois and Clark have such soulmate and power couple vibes. Can't wait to see Erica on the podcast⭐

[@anninwhack1998]

Erica is a lot of magic that really created a lot of fun in all the episodes and elevated the heavy and occasionally monotonous Clark Lana stuff. Besides she’s just gorgeous and so funny. Just one more example of how excellent the casting for the show was.

[@MichaelIsTheBestLex]

“I was looking for Erica in the credits and she’s not in them” How sweet! same Tom!!! Meanwhile he didn't even notice Mack wasn’t in the credits BWAHAHA love it!

[@oldhollywoodfan8009]

😂🤣😂

[@Betsyyy347]

Omg lmao 🤣🤣🤣 Tom’s so cute haha

[@shadysnaps]

Lana saying "the best ones always start that way" seemed like confirmation that Clark does have a thing for Lois even so early on. I think Lana can see that he is attracted to her. Love how he kept trying to convince her that Lois was annoying and that he wasn't interested in her. Thanks for a great episode Talkville. Michael you're hilarious ! I really needed a laugh today.

[@vbrandy7088]

That line was foreshadowing. The writers did a lot of forshadowing like Lois saying to Martha give me a nerd with glasses in the season 4 premiere. If you watch the Clark-Lana-Lois scene in this ep there was no indication that he had a thing for Lois in that scene. It was Lois actually who noticed the awkward tension between Clark & Lana. I think Lana assumed that he was with Lois cause Lois probably told her to bring her to the Kent farm cause she lived there atp and Lana jumped to conclusions.

[@katayasymphony8863]

I was just wondering always wasnt it kinda weird seeing lois was there at the same time lanas snd clarks love was blooming and she even encouraged them and then years later shes into him. I just want other fans perspective on this

[@shadysnaps]

@@katayasymphony8863 I'm 3 weeks late to this. Sorry! I didn't think it was weird, I actually thought it was fun seeing the three of them together. I loved that Lois started out as a friend to both Clark and Lana and eventually falls for Clark years later when Lana and Clark are essentially over. It just gave so much more weight to the relationship between Clark and Lois. Their love was deeply rooted in friendship too.

[@shadysnaps]

@@vbrandy7088 I don't know, I think everyone could see sparks between them. Tom even mentioned they had romantic banter from the second episode. But yeah that scene, didn't give out any big indicators to Lana. So I think you are right about her assuming things. She seemed to be fishing for clues from Clark in the cave and I think he gave it away.... atleast to the audience.

[@latifahraleb2137]

It must have been hard for Clark to see the girl that he loves pushing him away in someone else's arms which i think he liked Lois from the beginning but he is denied.

[@yasminsefi2000]

Tom's so smiley when he talks about Lois. You can tell he loves her energy and the character. Sometimes I think he adores Lois because she kind of reminds him of Erica. He mentioned a while back how he loves Erica's strength and core values and how Lois is the same. Is it just me or does the Lois and Clark scenes give off Tom and Erica energy in them. Writers were grabbing things they saw between the actors and wrote them into the characters- like the banter, the arm punch, and other cute moments like the dunk tank scene were all Tom and Erica. It feels like Tom and Erica's camaraderie really shows up in the Lois and Clark relationship especially as the seasons progress.

[@tinatinkvirkvelia1317]

I know right? You can feel his genuine, real enjoyment of her character.

[@gamerguy19981]

"He wants to bring Lois home, and treats Michael Rosenbaum like shit!" Had me laughing way more than it should have 😂

[@dkirby9052]

My favorite scene is the one between Lois and Clark in her dad's office, hands down. Lois opening up to Clark about her mother is what makes that scene for me. We have seen their banter and that is great but it is the scenes where they open up to each other that I love the most.

[@kenchan3846]

Name a more ICONIC NICKNAME than Lois Lane's "Smallville" for Clark Kent. Honestly, I will never get over how meaningful this is to not only THE ENTIRE SHOW but specifically to the characters and their relationship development; it was such a special part of their legendary love story. My favorite line from the 200th episode was: "You put the Smallville in Smallville, Smallville." - so true.

[@marlenesheffield8777]

💛💙❤️💋💯

[@cloismagic]

this 💯

[@upumoni521]

Loved that line!

[@brinsonopinion]

Jeez, Rosenbaum's issues are out in full force for this one 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@lifeisberserk9566]

He's gotta understand this is DC and not everything is realistic in the dc universe especially Smallville and Gotham

[@vbrandy7088]

@@lifeisberserk9566 Exactly! He forgets that this is a Sci-fi show and the whole point of Sci-fi is to escape from reality

[@lifeisberserk9566]

@@vbrandy7088 literally

[@Costas22]

Not only the grave wrote "James Marshall", it also wrote "Died of Inflexibility". 🤣🤣🤣 Nice joke on his directing style by the crew.

[@JohnLRice]

So awesome! 😂😂

[@gottara]

never noticed that and I lam aughing my ass off

[@TalkVillePodcast]

Inflexibility. BRILLIANT!

[@jerodast]

Okay somehow I read that as "Inlexibility" and I thought he was either obsessed with Lex or hated him haha.

[@phAntasyluvr_04]

@@gottara I didn't either!

[@MainEventPoint]

The James Marshall tombstone says "Died of inflexibility"....that's hilarious

[@thisthatmat]

I feel like Erica brought this new exciting energy to the show. Love her as her own character and her interactions with all the already existing characters - especially Clark. A fantastic addition to the series! Honestly, probably the best addition, so very disappointed to hear that on the show bizz side of things they screwed her over! I assuming it got better, since she eventually became a series regular !

[@TalkVillePodcast]

she'll be on the pod... soon

[@MarkSmith-th1ij]

Yayyy!!!!

[@olivercaan520]

It’s awesome to see tom so interested in the show!

[@jeanemlicar]

I know. In the beginning,Tom hardly did any Comic-Con’s or read any of the comics. I bet all that has changed now since he’s seen all the love he received from us die hard Smallville fans.

[@JoeSelf1982]

I love the closing scene of next week’s episode ‘Facade’. The music. The chemistry. The frustration of Chloe. Can’t wait for Micheal to 💩 all over it. 🤣

[@tinatinarmainteresebs9255]

omg the dunk scene! Can't WAIT!

[@JoeSelf1982]

@@tinatinarmainteresebs9255 💯 I also love how it’s edited. Allison’s reaction was priceless.

[@Vixin24]

Ahhh that's one of my favourite scenes!! Can't wait! I just know Michael is going to shit on it though haha

[@cherylebbs2079]

Yeah, I am getting tired of Michael having a negative attitude tbh!

[@TalkVillePodcast]

buckle up

[@HansCholo619]

LOVE this episode.....the comedic looks between Welling and Durance in the kitchen scene was so well done and hilarious

[@Carla_FT]

Great episode ! Lois once again carried the episode with Clark. The scene in the bathroom is hilarious, they already act like a married couple 😂 Lois calling Clark "Smallville" is also a reference to other adaptations with for example the animated series from the 90s where Lois already called Clark "Smallville" I can't wait for the next episode especially for the iconic scene between Clois at the end of the episode 🤩

[@carolywyller1827]

I love Tom's laugh! It lights up the screen! He seems like such a genuine, nice, happy guy! I love all you guys! :)

[@johnaustink5636]

Tom's "I didn't know I was gonna kill him when I hit him with my HEAT VISION" had me rolling.

[@LivstevMotherEarth]

The main reason Erica wasn't in the credits for S4 was that she was only allowed to be a guest in a limited amount episodes for S4. The WB had so many restrictions on what was allowed on the show including how much Smallville was able to have Lois on. Fortunately from S5 those restrictions slowly got lifted as the seasons went on. Also, Lois has always infamously nicknamed Clark "Smallville" across the entire Superman universe, so it made sense for Erica's Lois to also call Clark Smallville. And yes, it's pretty obvious what Lois meant when she mentioned Clark's Junior lol. Gone is a fine episode. I agree it's not as good as Crusade but it still had some good stuff in it. The shower scene will always be my favourite just because of how comical it was and the look on Martha's face. If Clark had tried to explain it wouldn't have been quite so funny, but he stipulated afterwards that they took separate showers. I always liked how Lana foreshadowed Clark and Lois when she and Clark were talking in the caves. "Lois? She's bossy, she's stuck up, she's rude. I can't stand her." And Lana replies "the best ones always start that way".

[@TalkVillePodcast]

yup kinda what Al was hinting at

[@joelmaisano8481]

Why is Michael always so angry at the show? He complains "You know what I would have done?" about Lana's return to Smallville, when he has no idea of what the writers are building up to -- namely, the importance of the tattoo and the cave symbol. Maybe Michael doesn't like the show but the fans do!

[@Kayakingoff]

Lex mode activated 🦹

[@teh_rei]

Just try and count the number of times he says he's forced to watch the show!

[@RXP91]

He’s just deeply unhappy so has to whinge

[@DerekThomasLirio]

Michael is so angry at the show because he is clearly an angry man. First of all, he lives in California. That, alone, is a big factor in anyone's life that would sadden most. Second, he's eternally single, like Lex on Smallville. Third, Michael is a middle aged man, and recording and broadcasting his midlife crisis is the most productive source of income he has. Oh, and if you think back to classic movies from the eighties, his best friend is a dog. He claims to be forced to watch the show, but he's only forced by his circumstances. Because if he didn't watch it, he'd have no income.

[@Brook11223]

Michael Ironside's presence itself just brings a commanding presence. That stunt sequence with the helicopter sequence was incredible. I loved the whole heat vision effects hitting the tail and looked really good.

[@asyouwish3636]

Ironside is great! and how cool is it that he plays father to Lucy Lane (both "good guys") in Smallville, and then in The Flash he plays [Glitter's] father again! but both are "bad guys"

[@dkirby9052]

In two sentences you use the same word twice. "Michael Ironside brings a commanding presence to every scene he is in. That stunt sequence with the helicopter was incredible. The effects of Clark's heat vision hitting the tail of the helicopter looked really good." It sounds better when you write it this way.

[@GabePuratekuta]

It looked more like the heat vision hit the exhaust vent under the main propeller, though.

[@David-h1f4r]

Check out Mr ironsides impersonation of Kermit the Frog running . In the series V . Commanding is NOT the word . In fact it's Hilarious 😂😂

[@jeanemlicar]

He was awesome in V. Once his character left,the series became to suck badly.​@@David-h1f4r

[@himynameisnickolas]

I actually love that Lois can kick ass and figure shit out without them directly spelling it out for the audience. Her dad is a 3 star general so obviously he thought his daughter how to hold her own in a fight and we know Lois is going to be the greatest investigative journalist of all time so clearly she’s gonna be smart and savvy enough to figure things out. They don’t need to explain any of this.

[@Powerhaus88]

Ah, fiction.

[@floodgates182]

Yeah, but her beating up grown men in full body armour is pretty stupid. Ok for her to get in the odd surprise punch, but the way she could beat men up was ridiculous. Same with Lana. She takes like two self defence classes with Lex and whoom she kicks the butt of guys twice her size. That's just crazy

[@himynameisnickolas]

@@floodgates182 Girls who can kick ass is crazy but an extraterrestrial with a dozen super powers is acceptable? It’s comic books, my dude.

[@floodgates182]

@@himynameisnickolas Good stories have internal logic.

[@nickhydier1201]

It's actually pretty neat how the "Smallville" nickname Lois gives to Clark in the series. In that Erica had trouble remembering her lines or something to that effect and just went with Smallville. Seems like an interesting coincidence as it was already a nickname in some animated Superman shows. Certainly fit the Smallville series.

[@SisterStylist4]

Smallville is one of the greatest shows of all time. My husband and I watched them when we first got married. Now my 15 yr old twins are watching it. We all love it so much! Tom Welling you will always be my Superman!!! ❤

[@Vixin24]

Michael..... you're probably joking but just in case: "Smallville" is a nickname Lois uses for Clark across different Superman media that basically means "bumpkin". Because he's this sweet, naive guy from the country and they usually meet in the bustling Metropolis, it's both a bit mocking but also a term of endearment for him. Throughout this show (and others) it quickly became her nickname for Clark. Also I love the shower scene! It's so hilarious. Tom is right, it really shows their banter and chemistry that they were so great at. Despite the criticisms for this episode, I LOVE the first four episodes of season 4. I always find them so fun on rewatches, particularly because of Lois and all her interactions with Clark. She was apparently only supposed to be in those 4 episodes and then reappear much later down the line but her character was so popular they brought her back just a few episodes later. So these 4 episodes really feel like a fantastic intro to Lois, since at the time this was all they thought we'd get. I'm so glad we got more though because Erica was so great and was my favourite part of the show. I love the next episode (especially that ending scene with the dunk tank - one of my favourite scenes of the show) so I'm tentatively bracing myself for Michael shitting on it lmao. 😂

[@cherylebbs2079]

I hope that Michael was joking as to why Lois calls Clark Smallville. Cause in my opinion it’s disgusting.

[@RussellGreen-e7t]

It’s funny how y’all know so very little of the superman mythos. Many of your complaints are cannon from before the show Smallville.

[@premek17]

This episode was ok. I loved shower scene and Erica and Clark banter. Lana saying to Clark at the end of the episode "The best ones always start that way" was lovely. Michael Ironside was perfect as Sam Lane. He was Darkseid voice in Justice League animated series

[@Vixin24]

Oh I didn't realise he also voiced Darkseid! It's funny to think of it as Clark fighting his father-in-law! 😂

[@Loisandclark_forever]

Bryce I thank you for your service! On behalf of the clois fan 😁❤ you're absolutely right to choose the CLARK JUNIOR CLOIS shower scenes as favourite!🔥 that's my fav too!😂 LOVED IT!!🎉

[@gillyann1428]

The shower scene was one of my favorites 😂

[@Marvellous132]

Smallville pulled a Saturday afternoon matinee "sequal" with the Chloe "death, but no dead" thing. They showed the house blowing up almost as soon as she walked into it. Just like seeing the hero going over the cliff in a car before it cuts to "to be continued"...... then next week, the hero ATUALLY jumped out of car BEFORE it went off the cliff, just like Chloe and her dad actually had time to get into the bunker (which they definitely didn't before)...........

[@bbeth7092]

I appreciate Bryce’s articulate and thoughtful contributions to Talkville.

[@lincolnkupchak4795]

He certainly adds more than Ryan does

[@Agh576]

Ryan provides no added value whatsoever

[@vbrandy7088]

Yup Bryce is a better co-host than Ryan tbh and you can tell he's more interested and invested in the show. He also has better chemistry with Tom and Michael for some reasons 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@MrDziubla]

Ryan does plenty of contributions when allowed to. But unfortunately he seems a bit shy, and unable to talk over Rosenabum who never allows Ryan to get a word in, even when he's trying.

[@BradleyGodlyGovt]

I really worry about Michael sometimes lmao, his idea of where Lois calling Clark Smallville came from lmao

[@cherylebbs2079]

Yes, I think it is stupid what he suggested.

[@superman8110]

Currently paused at 7:51, I’m already discouraged from Rosey’s take on the episode. Honestly? I want to stop watching, but I love Smallville so hard it hurts. I have nothing but admiration for you guys and your gifts that you share with us. Truthfully the first 3 seasons of Smallville were what got me so hooked into the series. 4th season opener was great! The follow up episode continuing in our new story was a fantastic episode! There! Now that I’ve spoken my truth, I will continue on in this episode. You guys are great btw thank you for all of your content. ❤

[@superman8110]

P.S. I finished the episode and yes Michael, you 💩 all over the show. Tom is such a ray of sunshine. It’s like Tom is full of eternal hope… I see what you did there. Well played gents. P.S.S. I will never stop watching your content. 👍👍

[@dawnsnow7576]

Erica was excellent!!great chemistry with Clark

[@crism5810]

Bryce is a great co-host. He always remembers what Michael and Tom forget.

[@vbrandy7088]

Yes he always add great stuff to the conversation. I wish he would replace Ryan more often tbh

[@erica-cq7ns]

i would love if brian and kelly came on here, when they took over the show and it became metropolis it became like a whole new show and i loved what they did with clark’s character progression

[@asyouwish3636]

🌹🌹 loved seeing Lois Lane kicking ass! so freaking awesome ❤️ and the banter with Clark, their energy together is fantastic 🤗🤗🤗 also, how freaking cool is it that Lois witnesses Smallville's "weird" and adjusts within seconds! so far it's taken all the other characters years to adjust (if at all). she just rolls with it like a champ!

[@Costas22]

Their banter was overbearing and it was just the first episode they actually had scenes together. More people will notice this over the next 2 episodes.

[@tinatinarmainteresebs9255]

@@Costas22 Their banter became the highlight and the best aspect of the show in seasons to come.

[@Vixin24]

Yup! 100%! I love that she was an army brat too so it makes total sense that she can easily kick ass, she was literally trained by a general! I love Lois Lane in general but Erica's Lois was something else! Her personality and her amazing chemistry and banter with Clark was one of the best parts of the show imo

[@cherylebbs2079]

@@Costas22their banter was just fine! A lot of fans enjoyed it immensely for the rest of the seasons!

[@asyouwish3636]

@tinatinarmainteresebs9255 agree 💯 not only was it fresh and fun, it was completely natural. unlike other versions (where Lois' verbal abuse is supposed to come off as playful but really is just insulting and poor attempt at masquerading her attraction that she can't deal w to a strong male counterpart in Clark), this Lois actually achieves genuine playful teasing. and she shuts down the initial attraction she feels for Clark 1st out of respect for Chloe (when she realizes Chloe's feelings for Clark are still strong) and then out of respect for herself (when she realizes Clark's feelings for Lana are so strong). she doesn't try to live in denial, as other versions have done. Erica's portrayal was PERFECT. and part of why it was so great, is that her performance (which started strong) only gets better as the series progresses

[@sanneannelies843]

Love erica❤, I always start on season 4 when watching the show again. I love Lois in every show or movie. She is such an inspiration to me. She really changes the dynamic and Clark. Also every lois has called clark smallville at one point in time❤

[@appleel7937]

LOVED the shower scene, Clark gets busted again with a scantily clad girl but this time by his Mum!! Hilarious scene, great non verbals going on. I enjoyed Gone, awesome podcast, thank you xx

[@dougkeyes4406]

To this day, Erica Durrance remains, the girl who coined the phrase clarky and all iterations of it including lil, jr, etc. lmao

[@kristenballinger500]

Lois first calls Clark "Smallville" in the 1996 Superman Animated Series: Last Son of Krypton Part II. And also, first used in the comic books by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale 1998 “Superman For All Seasons” series. Which is what James Gunn used as a reference for the “Superman Legacy” movie script. Erica’s Lois Lane is the first on screen character to say it. It is one of many nicknames she will give Clark throughout the series run and is a term of endearment for him (not a reference to Clark Jr.)! 😐. Pretty sure Jeph Loeb on the Smallville writing team is the one who added that in to the script.

[@asyouwish3636]

this is why they need a female on the podcast, to reign in their (mostly Michael's) testosterone theories 😂😂😂 not that we don't enjoy the sausage fest, but it's too much to have all the time. really wish they had gotten Erica for these first few podcasts! esp since they were with her in Nashville during the same time of this re-watch. could have done a mini interview or something!

[@cherylebbs2079]

Thank you! Michael’s warped thoughts on why Lois called Clark Smallville is disgusting.

[@asyouwish3636]

@cherylebbs2079 Michael only likes to get invested in the eps that are Lex-heavy, so when it doesn't feature him that much (like this ep) he either doesn't pay much attention, or he behaves more juvenile than normal. or both sometimes smh lol. this is why he was trying to rewrite the reason for Lana's return (cuz he keeps missing relevant details). like, sure, the ancestor/possession/crystal storylines could have been executed better (considering how well Charmed and Buffy were telling their respective magical storylines). Michael didn't notice Lana is a passive character in this storyline and she gets sometimes reduced to a plot point (from a literary standpoint) cuz it didn't involve Lex either. at least not at this point in the season.

[@cherylebbs2079]

@@asyouwish3636 He doesn’t seem to understand there are more characters on the show than him, especially ones that are liked immensely. So, when we have been waiting patiently for one of those characters(and the actress who portrayed her)debut it’s exciting. And he seems to **** on the show like he usually does(more often than not). I hate to think what it’s going to be like the last three seasons when Lex isn’t on at all.

[@asyouwish3636]

@cherylebbs2079 well hopefully it won't be too bad. like, yeah the last 3 weren't cinematic. but they were fantastic! S7 almost killed me it was really bad (fast forwarded thru most of it on re-watch) but S8 was like a brand new show! it was invigorated. so who knows w Michael lol

[@charlottebourdin8201]

That handshake between Lana and Lois, as if she was letting her place... Loved it!!!

[@radicalreactions1633]

Rosie must not know that Erica is the REAL LOIS LANE from the comics, the chick can fight. Lois is an honorary Amazon FFS. Most of the rest of the "depictions/tries" at Lois have been a failure. Kidder and Durance are top.

[@FatimaTomsEnough]

"Always Hold On To Your Smallville!" Thanks for yet another FUN Talk Ville, and fingers crossed for Erica to appear on the podcast soon as Tom mentioned! "Gone" feels like a little more than just One Rose, but I am excited for all the episodes of Season Four! Glad to hear Tom really enjoyed working with Michael Ironside! P.S. Special thanks to Michael for having Tom on as the guest for the landmark 300th Episode of Inside Of You With Michael Rosenbaum!

[@stephenfox8685]

Erica will be here on the podcast soon, right? Hope so.

[@Guilherme-Cassel]

I love the way that Michael says everything that comes to his mind without thinking 😂, this makes his narration even more unique

[@coreyvisser7004]

I think Lois called him Smallville because in her mind Clark was defined by the fact he was the typical small town farm boy. When she thought of Smallville she would also think of Clark and visa versa. To her Clark was like the mascot for Smallville and small towns in general. It was a playful jab aimed at Clark.

[@brandonmaze6119]

And ya'll are gonna be making alot of Tshirts with Lois one liners lol

[@RelentlessOhiox]

I love how as Tom and Michael have gotten older they look back on some of their scenes and are like "yeah this is ridiculous what were they thinking?" 😅

[@jerodast]

I suspect they didn't watch a lot of the finished product at the time and might've thought the same thing back then haha. This episode was a surprising level of mess. I wouldn't have apologized to the writers here :P

[@lindamawdsley6130]

This was an interesting episode with a little bit of humour thrown in but the chat between Michael, Tom and Bryce was spot on and very entertaining😀thanks for another great week🙂

[@aryanascardigan]

I really loved how the writers had Lana and Lois meet with afterwards Lana having the awkward talk with Clark (I thought Erica did a great job at joking around with Tom). I thought the shower scene between Clark and Lois was unnecessary but I thought it was pretty funny. Thanks again for another season ❤

[@Artoflucas]

Correction: That was not Teri Hatcher in the photo of Lois' family

[@nickhydier1201]

Such a great follow this second episode was to the sason premiere. With a lot of great teamup pairings with Clark/Lois at the safehouse wreckage fending off the army special ops men, who are Lois' father General Lane's men. Was great that got to meet him in this episode as well. Michael Ironside played him rather well. Very commanding presence. The later meeting with Lana/Lois and subsequent fending off the bladed Krypto villian was great. As was the rescue of Chloe at the foundary, with Lois and Clark both holding their own. With his powers and her using the electronic rifle. I believe she got that from her father. Lois certainly showed her Army brat nackground in this one right from the get go. So many great action moments. TGIW.😀🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@RLS1]

This show became so much better when Lois arrived. The banter between her and Clak was so good and gave Tom a chance to be fun and light more than before. Everything is always so heavy in Clark's storylines that it was great to get to see that side of his character. If the show was missing anything in previous seasons, it was that!

[@darwiniacroft]

Regarding Lois’ nonchalant reaction to blowing up the metal guy, I think that speaks to her character and why she’s the perfect girl for Clark. Since she was raised by a general, the assumption is that she has seen a lot in her life already, so the craziness just doesn’t phase her. It’s a direct contrast to Lana, who tends to freak out when weird shit happens.

[@Vixin24]

Agreed!

[@jeffbrown8117]

Lana freaked perhaps at first, but after 5 seasons worth of weirdness, I think Lana began to mellow out a lot. And she did accept Clark’s secret in the 100th and even later on when she found out.

[@darwiniacroft]

@@jeffbrown8117 true, but she did become more Lex-like in the process

[@pjjohnson5540]

Lois Lane is 100% Tom Welling's favorite Smallville character.

[@AlmaDeAngel]

He has great taste😂

[@vbrandy7088]

I think Lionel Luthor is then Lois Lane or maybe a tie between the 2 😂

[@Rexic84]

Watching this show (Smallville, I mean) From the first season until season 4 is hard for me. Like, seasons 1-3 are great and all, but the whole time I'm thinking "T-minus BLANK episodes left until Lois arrives".

[@MyFandomChannel-ee1sy]

Yes! Me, too! It’s like they were trying to do the X-Files (dark Vancouver show with a freak/monster of the week), the Clark Kent teenage version. But he doesn’t get his Scully until Season 4. 🤷‍♀️

[@wesleyhall3554]

I've been looking forward to Erica joining this season since y'all started.

[@jeaninethomas8008]

I really enjoy what Bryce adds to this. He is pretty cool.

[@CascanteProductions]

Man this is wild, I recently started rewatching smallville and then I found out that yall are doing this!

[@Cullenprime]

When Lois saw Clark naked in that field you can tell by her facial expression that she was impressed with what he had going on downstairs.

[@lisal6030]

They had as much fun filming it as we did watching it

[@LittleMarySunshine4]

Even though there are plot points that make zero sense, Gone is my favorite episode of the season. (the funniest/laziest moment being the ADR explaining how Lois got to the bad guy's lair. - Clark asks her and she just asks him the same question and neither answer). BUT it has some of the most memorable scenes of the season, and great character stuff.

[@santiagomillan2489]

TGI Wednesday!!!! Great episode with great scenes, Lois meets Lois, we have Sam Lane, that helicopter scene was great!! 1.5 roses!! Much love!!

[@anthonydedios4720]

Ain't it funny how when Michael says how he would do things differently he ends up talking out of his ass and his ideas go no where

[@carlashepherd9362]

I miss Smallville so much! Never be another show like Smallville! Love you guy’s! ❤️😘🤘👍

[@shubhrasarkar]

Okay I expected Bryce to have done some more homework atleast on this episode with the iconic character Lois's introductory episode....Smallville is a nickname Lois gave to Clark, and it is from the comics, because of Clark coming from a small town....not because of his wiener(which she jokingly called Clark Junior)...bruhh... Michael Ironside had played Darkseid in the animated movie....Also the picture of Lois's mother in this episode was NOT of Teri Hatcher, though Teri Hatcher later plays Lois's mom in Season10....Why Lois could fight a soldier, is because she was brought up by the General, at Army camps, among boys, and she proudly called herself an Army Brat(I truly disliked how Michael dismissed this as Cheesy) Michael made this episode hilarious, but some of the best parts of the episode got smoothed over....like Clark trusting Lois, so early in their relationship....the hilarious banter in the shower, where Clark makes a mention of being caught in bed with Alicia....the non verbals of the Kents....Sam Lane was a 3 star general and he was bound to have that rough n tough exterior but, the way he spoke to Lois got overlooked and in those small scenes, he showed how protective he was of Lois, a doting father....For me this is one of my fav episodes of Smallville.

[@tinatinkvirkvelia1317]

Totally agree that some of the best parts of the episode were completely smoothed over or ignored in favor of making silly jokes or grumbling about plot holes, which yeah I get it, but there's also so much great character work in the episode that I was looking forward to being discussed.

[@JuanManuelVilchisOntiverossv52]

it's funny how Michael always complains about the plots being wrapped on a single ep. Now that we have a plot that is gonna be solved through the season, he says that it doesn't make sense for the ep. That's the point! It's a mystery to be solved.

[@guillermoortiz2620]

Tom: his name is Ironside! lol that killed me. 😂

[@missingyouale]

This season is so amazing! Another great episode ❤

[@lifeisberserk9566]

Especially the finale literally my favorite episode of the show

[@tcrump212IsLmbrJck_t]

2:05 - this is so good to hear and know. I assumed it, but this just makes us that much more able to participate with yall. Thanks, TW.

[@thefirefallnetwork]

I love the show enough to overlook some of the inconsistent writing in Season 4. The actors/characters helped to carry things when the writing went awry. Kudos to the cast for that.

[@kingcocacola1]

Never liked how Lana was written allways thinking everybody having secret's behind her back and generally suspicious of everyone would have love to see her being written more like Lois full of energy and straight forward.

[@vbrandy7088]

There some things I didn't like about Lana's writing but not for the things you said cause she wasn't wrong Clark did have secrets behind her back. He was lying and gaslighting her a lot. And I think anyone would be suspicious of people if like her every other week someone tried to kill us. Also how many people that she thought she could trust ended up hurting her (physically and/or emotionally) or leaving her. I feel like if you don't put yourself in Lana's shoes or try to see things from her perspective and ignore all trauma she went throught you will not get her character.

[@LiLisa24]

I love this podcast so much ❤❤❤ Listened earlier and now going to watch it. Thank you guys ❤️❤️❤️ Happy Talk Ville Wednesday ❤️☄️🌽

[@thomaskozuch735]

Fun Episode, the show is really growing up at this point. All of you guys are really coming into your own with your portrayals. Really miss this show but glad to be reliving it here with Talkville. Rosey, Tom keep it going!

[@Loisandclark_forever]

Tom and Erica kicked ass in this episode! They were awsome!❤❤❤ some of the early top clois scenes are in this episode❤❤

[@csav113]

Best season in my opinion I’ve been so hype for this. Thanks for making g Wednesdays epic guys

[@ailene_e]

We need a Michael rant segment so he can get it all out at once lol😂

[@divinelangene6813]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jaygibbs_]

Always hold on to YOUR Smallville 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@MichaelPerlov]

what Tom says about Lana learning dishonesty from Clark is exactly the same thing Lex says to Clark in S07E19

[@nickhydier1201]

There were some funny moments sprinkled in this one, such as the shower scene of Clark and Lois. The Clark tells his parents showers, we took separate shows was always humerous. Clark early had quite an awkwardness with Lois. Which sort of continued in the later seasons. Also found it interesting how Lex was behind Chloe's survival of the safehouse explosion. Orchestrating the rescue with General Lane and his men. Rushing Chloe and her father underground via tunnels built for the Underground railround. That just seemed to be conveniently under that house at that specific spot.

[@Stoic_Poet]

i appreciate the honesty how it is working with cast and guests

[@bilalmerhi542]

🌹 I love the fact these actors don't have a clue what's going on, don't understand the script yet still make the scenes better, namely Michael 😂😂.. It shows how much we appreciate the actors who play these characters even when the story makes little sense 😅

[@scherzer6428]

Thanks for being awesome! First of all guys , thank you for all those years . What a beautiful childhood memories ?

[@joinerytherapy]

I REALLY appreciate how it seems like you have given yourselves permission to laugh at this show. Keep it coming!

[@Loisandclark_forever]

Ahhh.. AGAIN I Wanted to hear more from Tom on clois scenes! 😭❤

[@vanarr6902]

I think he did want to talk about it….

[@HumorNWaffles]

Honestly, Bryce's legitimate questions about plot holes don't sound as hard edged or vindictive as Michael's. 🤷‍♂️

[@EnvoyOfDestinyZ]

22:58 right, Lana was in the Caves before, in S02E11 34:25 actually in Superman 3, Lois called Clark also Smallville. it was also a thing in the comics

[@TMSokoya]

Teri Hatcher actually didn't appear in the family photo in Season 4, but she was cast in Season 10. I always believed that Lois calling Clark 'Smallville' was taken from Superman: The Animated Series (1996), but someone in the comments said that apparently Erica improvised that line, and it stuck 🤔. The plot thickens.

[@kristenballinger500]

I'm pretty sure the writers added that in the script since Jeph Loeb was part of the writing team. He had Lois call Clark "Smallville" in his comic book series "Superman for All Seasons".

[@LittleMarySunshine4]

Maybe Erica improvised it because she knew it was a thing Lois did...

[@leejtam0914]

I agree with Michael that it shouldve been way simpler to bring Lana back. But they have to establish the ridiculous Lana's ancestor plot

[@thedefinitionisthis]

A major reason why this season ultimately became my least favorite in the series' run. I understand wanting to connect her more to Clark's overall destiny storyline, but c'mon...

[@Vixin24]

Yeah.... that storyline. Ugh I do love season 4 overall but that silly plot seriously brings it down and is one of the worst of the show.

[@aavila1206]

Ig the writers were bored with the character 😂😂

[@tinatinkvirkvelia1317]

God, that plot was so.. so bad. It's one thing I definitely agree with Michael. And it will only get worse, yikes.

[@ladyvignette]

If Michael thinks the tattoo stuff is cheese NOW... just wait. Ahahahaha.