Tanaka 5-point harness for a 7-year-old

[@TrueBlueAustralian]

Seems really secure and safe, those metal buckles could get very hot in summer to touch.

[@globaldimension4292]

Drove all summer all over Europe, blazing hot, no issues. The following summer, drove all over the southern USA, baking hot like an oven, no issues.

[@allforspamfifty1806]

Right around 1:21, you can see the anti-submarine belt is not installed properly, it wraps around from in front of the seat. There's at least a good foot of room to slide forward, probably more, before that belt is going to catch the kid. By then, the lap belt will be above his pelvis and will do more harm than good. Maybe ok given how upright the seat is, but definitely gives a false sense of safety. I like the idea, but definitely gotta make sure to follow all the manufacturer's instructions when installing (though that'd probably require cutting a hole in those nice seats).

[@patrickdowning7674]

Seeing that normal shoulder belts have no anti-submarine strap, along with every 4 point racing harness has no submarine strap, this setup will work just fine.

[@ValFPV]

@@patrickdowning7674 normal shoulder belts have pretensioners that tighten the belt in a crash though.

[@patrickdowning7674]

@@ValFPV Not sure what pre-tensioners have anything to do with 5 point harness. Not a single 5 point harness has a pre-tensioner, and they are used all over the world. The other guy posted about the anti-submarine belt not being installed properly, and my reply that no normal car seat belts have anti-submarine straps and they all work fine. The 5 point harness belt is snug and needs no tensioner. Or do you think no seat belts (and there were none ever sold in 1966 Alfa Romeos of this vintage) is better? Or a simple static lap belt (no pre-tensioner), like they had in rear seats up to the year 2000? I think 2 shoulder belts, a lap belt, a chest strap connecting the shoulder straps is WAY better. Do you have a better idea? Maybe I should install some air bags?

[@ValFPV]

​@@patrickdowning7674 no, I don't. I was simply saying that normal shoulder belts don't need a submarine strap as much because of their pretensioners (at least in more modern cars) which can help prevent sliding under it in the event of a crash.

[@stephanieramos2405]

Are you able to lock it so the kids don’t get out of harness during the ride?

[@DesertDog]

Very cool video and a smart kid. Does he still use the harness?

[@globaldimension4292]

Yes, he uses it and loves it. It is cool for him. I have other classic cars, with no option for shoulder belt, so I use this type of setup in other cars. Works great. Making classic cars safe enough for kids, gets mom approval for more cars!

[@NcdHNH]

Global Dimension since you’ve mounted harnesses like this on bench seats, do you think mounting a harness on a 58 impalas seat would be able to safely help in a high speed car crash?

[@plateshutoverlock]

I would love to be harnessed in this way with key locked buckles

[@levivandijk658]

Why would you like that?

[@plateshutoverlock]

makes me feel calm and secure.

[@helmetssavelives225]

Me too, I'd absolutely love to be locked in a harness like this.

[@levivandijk658]

@@helmetssavelives225 great idea. Ever been?

[@helmetssavelives225]

Not in a car but I've been locked in a Crelling harness at home and handcuffed so I couldn't get to the buckles and release myself, it was impossible to escape from and it felt amazing.

[@shylie2000]

Are you going to do one showing the install?

[@globaldimension4292]

We made an instal video too, and the website has a LOT of details on the installation. Here is the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnqwhJmtnciaeNU Tthe detailed webpage that includes all the parts we used on the installation is located here. www.globaldimension.com/2017/12/1966-alfa-romeo-giulia-america/ Read about our trip, you may enjoy it.

[@sarahharbaugh9102]

As the parent of a special needs child, I’m very intrigued. Cost? How do I get one? How do I install?

[@globaldimension4292]

In the description of the video, there is a link to the installation video. BUT I suggest you may want to look at a harness for kids in modern cars. It is called Ride Safer. Google it. It is excellent safety device, plus it keeps kids that are a bit unruly, in place. Here is a link to a guy that did a review of that device. I bought one, it works good. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZ7PdWN5a5aSmLs

[@DesertDog]

@@globaldimension4292 Which one does Jake prefer, the harness or the vest, and which do you prefer for him?

[@gregclayton8831]

They aren't safe with out a hans. (head and neck device) Race harnesses dont have give. OEM seatbelts do, they are designed to work with airbags to slow your bodies deceleration. The harness will not have give in it if adjusted properly. So in an accident your body doesn't move, but your head will to keep moving. Violently! In an instance where there isn't a oem restraint its definently better than the nothing! Glad to see it was a 5 point harness, don't get me started on submarining. 😂

[@wyattgrummert9183]

hill Hill it has head braces

[@Anonymous_________]

DO NOT SET IT UP LIKE THIS. THIS IS HOW YOU KILL OR SERIOUSLY HARM YOURSELF. BLT IS TO TOUCH YOUR SHOULDERS, AND NOT YOUR NECK. IN A CRASH, THAT SETUP WILL KILL YOU. just my 2 cents from an illegal street racer.

[@paxundpeace9970]

Beautiful car.

[@jasonleon1976]

Gorgeous car. However, the lack of headrests gives me anxiety. The neck is probably the most vulnerable part of the body in and RTC.

[@plateshutoverlock]

"Stephanie Ramos Are you able to lock it so the kids don’t get out of harness during the ride?" Maybe run a small strong chain through the rings where the clips meet the belts and use that?

[@patrickdowning7674]

The 5 point harness is not designed to have locks. I guess you could run a chain around it and put a lock on it, but I would think it would be rather dangerous if there was an accident and you were hurt and the rescuers could not find the key. God forbid anything bad would ever happen, but locking kids into seats sounds like a less than good way to deal with a kid.

[@jamesmollett7296]

add a padlock to it?

[@JEEPIMPACT]

Nice car, thanks for the video

[@globaldimension4292]

Yep, the car is wonderful. We made an instal video too, and the website has a LOT of details on the installation. Here is the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnqwhJmtnciaeNU Tthe detailed webpage that includes all the parts we used on the installation is located here. www.globaldimension.com/2017/12/1966-alfa-romeo-giulia-america/ Read about our trip, you may enjoy it.

[@bucki58]

Had to show this to my mom. I’m 14 years old, 5’ 7” and 135 lbs. My mom makes me wear an helmet and use a booster seat while riding in the car.

[@fsmuffins4460]

bucki58 WTF, what kind of mom let’s their child wear a helmet and a booster seat at 14 years old. I feel bad homie

[@denayshagray7402]

Wow

[@jacquelinesmith-jackson2815]

FS Muffins Yeah I know I would honestly be saying what the fuck as well, because you are old enough to sit in a seat belt.

[@levivandijk658]

Is it still your way of riding in a car?

[@Flipper86]

There isn’t a booster seat that allows use over 120# or 60”.

[@dellcomputeification]

How do you install it?

[@patrickdowning7674]

Read video description

[@benclarke6391]

Kool video, and look like Jake like wearing the harness also , id look as adjusting the crotch belt tho , maybe coming up between the seat cushions so it lowers the room if Jake did slid under the lap belt of the harness ? So are other people able to wear the harness like older passenger? What are there views on wearing the full five point harness?

[@globaldimension4292]

Many seem to comment on the crotch strap. There are plenty of "4 point" harnesses in race cars, etc.. with no crotch strap. So having a loose crotch strap I see as pretty harmless. If the car had just a lap belt, it is basically the same thing. One could always slide under, but unlikely. It will fit any size passenger. But, I just put it on one side, as the car comes with no seat belts at all in the back, and does not even have bolt holes to put lap belts! There is no way, without welding and ripping up the headliner, to put a bolt in for a standard car seat/shoulder belt system. So, one can go in stages: 1) No belts at all, 2) Lap belt, 3) 4 point racing harness, or 4) 5 point racing harness. Or go to stage #5 and weld a nut into the C-pillar, destroy the fabric on the pillar, and use a modern shoulder/lap seat belt system. We are happy with #4. Plenty good enough for the driving we do.

[@benclarke6391]

Global Dimension sound all good to me , be good to see what an adult would look like sitting in the rear seat of the car, wearing the harness and seeing when the fitting would be like and room when sitting in the rear seat , ?

[@plateshutoverlock]

"If the car had just a lap belt, it is basically the same thing. One could always slide under, but unlikely." This is why if I were wearing this, I would want the crotch strap, as well as the rest of the harness to be snug. When I'm belted down, I want to be sure I am belted down. :)

[@eliplayzthis1279]

Will jake use it when he 8 year old is a very cool video

[@globaldimension4292]

He is turning 10 now, and loves it.

[@levivandijk658]

@@globaldimension4292 Is jake still wearing a harness and is it safe for older children as well?

[@patrickdowning7674]

Levi van Dijk I guess I don’t understand. The seat belt is for race cars. Race cars are driven by adults. Seems to make sense to me that it will work for anyone larger than Jake when he was 8 years old. So it would work for anyone 8-100 years old.

[@levivandijk658]

@@patrickdowning7674 Thank you!

[@eliplayzthis1279]

Global Dimension ok

[@DCUPtoejuice]

nice, but jeese the metal is oversized

[@Thickrickdrifting]

That can be extremely dangerous in the event of a roll over when a Roll bar is not present. This is not safe in a roll over.

[@patrickdowning7674]

SLIDEWAYS CAR CLUB how is it different than being in a normal seat belt with shoulder strap? Or a kids seat that is in every car, and those soccer moms cars don’t have roll bars?

[@Thickrickdrifting]

In the event of a roll over with a roof collapse and a harness with no cage the neck would get snapped since his body is constricted to the upright position with the harness. A traditional 3 point factory style harness allows your body to move out of the way in a collapse. Traditional childrens seats do have 5pt harnesses, but are attached with a lap or traditional 3 point to the actual seat which would allow the same movement of the seat assembly with child in it in the event of a collapse all the same as wearing a 3 pt. I would never strap any of my children in the way that has been done here in this video.

[@patrickdowning7674]

SLIDEWAYS CAR CLUB rubbish. The kids seat would have the same effect. Roll your car much? You can always say “I would never take a kid in a car made in the 1960s as they are all death traps and unsafe (and they are).”. One takes calculated risks all day. Crossing the street. Taking a shower. Eating food. Using a welder. Riding a motorcycle. Troll on.

[@Thickrickdrifting]

Im not trolling, do your research. Just because you dont agree doesnt mean its rubbish.

[@globaldimension4292]

I will take my chances that I don't completely pancake the roof. pics.imcdb.org/0ge21/210894-vlcsnap-32805.jpg

[@n.d.engleson6499]

Honestly, unless my 7-year-old kid was not only under 65 lbs and 4'6" tall but also hyperactive and not able to sit still while the car is in motion, I would ditch the 5-point harness and move him/her straight to the booster seat.

[@patrickdowning7674]

Torpedo Marsh And with a car with no factory seat belts, or even factory mounting holes for seat belts, please tell me how you would install a booster seat? Watch the video and understand the motive of why I did this type of install: the need for lap and should constraints in a car with not a single factory bolt hole for a lap or shoulder belt.

[@jazmynwing4202]

Nice car

[@deem4735]

im surprised nobody has made a comment, but the main issue with this car is that it has no head restraint and the kid's head definitely goes over the seat.

[@globaldimension4292]

So let's remove all old cars from the road, as they all had low seats in 1960s and earlier cars!! They can all roll over and crush the heads of all passengers!! They have knobs on the dashboards that can take your eyes out!!! Maybe even the glass is not of modern standards! No side-impact pillars inside the doors, oh my! I suggest one looks at this entire video as someone with a classic car, and they want their kids to also enjoy the activity. The fat daddy is not out street racing with junior strapped in the back, so hopefully lowering the risk. The car is used lightly, as are most old cars, taken out on sunny days, used at weddings, car shows and parades. Can I suggest to not be so risk-averse? Enjoy life a little.

[@deem4735]

@@globaldimension4292 why bother with a seatbelt then if you're so sure junior will be safe with your ultra safe driving

[@deem4735]

but i get it...it's a cool car and you want to enjoy it...im just saying im surprised nobody commented on the headrest, you'd think that would be more likely than a low center of gravity car rolling over that's all amigo, didnt mean to ruffle your feathers :)

[@steftrando]

@@globaldimension4292 Bruh, car deaths were 10x more back in the day compared to the safe cars now. Modern safety features make a real difference.

[@patrickdowning7674]

@@steftrando Bruh, yes car deaths are many in the past. Why? NO SEAT BELTS IN THE BACK SEAT, AT ALL. So we solve that with some pretty safe seat belts. Cars, back in the day were driven every day, seeing many many miles - today, a classic sees only good weather and typically daylight driving. Did I ever say modern safety devices do not make a difference? Nope. We try to improve safely with better seat belts, new disk brakes on all 4 wheels, etc...

[@Flipper86]

Shouldn’t be using a booster seat in this vehicle as there is no head restraint. I also don’t think Bubble Bum would let you use their seat with a harness.

[@mikesavad]

he looks secure, but in an emergency, how in the world would he get out? its hard enough to cut off a simple belt with a knife, imagine going down in a pond with that. that would be hard to get out of.

[@micheleharris3148]

yes that would be a problem. but im in a five point harness and i think a crash is more likley than going down in a pond or the car is on fire. good point tho

[@isaacvoeller3208]

That seems pretty excessive considering I wearing a 5 point harness for a long period of time is not exactly comfortable trust me I have worn one while ridding a go kart. Why not just put in universal 3 point seat belts from the internet would probably be cheaper. And easier to install

[@globaldimension4292]

Jake loved his harness and he said it was comfortable. I have driven my Catrham 7 for over 20,000 miles with a 5 point harness and never really thought about it regarding comfort. You cannot put a shoulder seat belt in this Alfa, as there is no place for the shoulder bolt, unless you wanted to pull down the headliner on the pillar and drill a hole, and weld a nut for the mount. Not for me, thank you. Additionally, there is no place for the belt retractor. As far as price, this 5 point harness is US$75. I put new retractable in the front seats, as they had broken shoulder seat belts, the replacements cost US$150.

[@isaacvoeller3208]

Thank you i guess in racing they make them tighter so they are less comfortable.

[@joerotorhead]

overkill

[@patrickdowning7674]

Love to hear why this is overkill! The car has no rear seat belts or any provision for any type of shoulder or lap belt (ie: welded in nuts for shoulder restraints, or even welded in nuts for lap belts). In order not to weld bolts to the pillars and mess up the headliner material covering the pillars, I did this non-destructive installation that can be easily removed by any future owner. So please tell me, what is overkill?

[@steftrando]

Dang, not good parenting to put a kid in an old unsafe car like that.

[@globaldimension4292]

You are correct. Protect everyone from everything. Never let them on a motorcycle, go cart, etc. Don’t let them walk to school alone, you never know what might happen!

[@steftrando]

@@globaldimension4292 I mean the kid doesn't really have a choice do they? We have to think of the children and their rights! Parents shouldn't be allowed to endanger their children since the children don't have a say in it.

[@MaYbYl8eR]

"Took all of 10 seconds" more like 25