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David Fletcher is back with a new Tank Chat on White Scout Car this week! Find out how a sewing machine manufacturer, from Cleveland Ohio, became one of the largest producers of vehicles in the USA.
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[@memikell]

I owned and restored one a few years back, a real pig to drive but she could do 45 or 50 on an open road. Stopping one, not so easy but it was real fun, loud and aggressive and no one got in my way. The engine was foolproof and always ran well. White made everything but the body that was made by Diebold Safe and Lock company of Cincinnati Ohio. Was going to disconnect the front wheel drive to make it easer to steer on the road.

[@tinman3586]

Thanks for sharing that!

[@jerryjeromehawkins1712]

Sounds like an amazing machine! 👍🏽🇺🇸

[@armouredcomp9978]

If the brakes are done right you should be able to lock the wheels if you want, I can on my one so brakes rather well

[@flyingsword135]

Diebold was from Hamilton, Ohio!

[@kirkstinson7316]

​@@armouredcomp9978 The brakes on mine were always a pain in the butt.

[@shooter2055]

A friend owned one of these. I drove it a few times. The brakes were horribly ineffective but it was the most fun I've ever had at 20mph. EVERYBODY gave you right-of-way! Two demilled M-1919s on the ring helped with that. 😁

[@obelic71]

that 6mm armour also helps. 😁

[@neilwilson5785]

@@obelic71 No Ford F150 will get through that armor

[@obelic71]

@@neilwilson5785 Honey i scratched the paint while running over the lamppost and that anoying guy in his Toyota at the shopping center type of armour

[@deeeeeeeench1209]

The breaks are a suggestion.

[@jerryjeromehawkins1712]

I'll bet you got plenty of thumbs up while traveling down the road... at least I hope so! 👍🏽

[@lairdcummings9092]

White Motor Company made trucks up through 1980. White semi trucks were a standard on the highways of my youth, along with Freightliner and Mac trucks. Volvo bought White out, so there remains a legacy to this day.

[@MyTv-]

Now I remember White made steam cars and was the primary luxury US automobile early on. Jay Leno have some excellent videos on the subject! Supposed to be the origin for “runs like a sewing machine”!

[@brianlinke1856]

My grandfather, Alexander Linke was a service man for White Steam Cars in Canada... and earlier had driven a steamer from Cleveland , Ohio to St, Louis, Missouri as a reliability test.

[@MyTv-]

@@brianlinke1856 Very interesting, do you know approximately when your grandfather worked with that?

[@brianlinke1856]

@@MyTv- I have a photo of A.W. Linke (19 yrs. old) with a 1907 White Steam car taken in 1907 near Rockwell Ave, in down town Cleveland , Ohio. Roland White showed an intense interest in steam cars, later switch to gasoline engines for White Trucks, steam cars were phased out.

[@MyTv-]

@@brianlinke1856 How cool, thanks for sharing! Leno said that most where recycled in war! You should send him a copy he sure appreciate it! :)

[@carlcushmanhybels8159]

@@brianlinke1856 1907 was about peak time for steamers. By 1912, 1914... steamers were losing ground. I grew up a town over from where Stanley Steamers had been built (Newton, Mass). And had a fascination with steamers from an early age. There's a fine old photo of Teddy Roosevelt and an Indian in feathers' bonnet, riding in a White Steamer.

[@triplos05_27]

"The 'white' actually has nothing to do with its colour - you can see that by looking at it." I laughed harder than i'd like to admit.

[@martingardener90]

Unlike the "Silver King" tractor which was - well , SILVER!

[@HO-bndk]

If they painted it white then it would be a White White scout car.

[@mikehipperson]

@@HO-bndk That's wacist!

[@RAL2010]

2:05 "They were quite good on the roads, if you didn't mind not going around corners too much."

[@joegoetz8884]

Thanks for this. My Dad joined an armored cavalry unit in Cleveland pre-WWII. When he joined, the unit was half horse, half M3 White scout cars...he seemed to like the White. Theirs were equipped with two water cooled .30 Browning's, and a .50. the Whites (and horses) were replaced by M8 armored cars before they deployed to France

[@gunner678]

'Trucks you don't steer you aim' was their motto

[@b2tall239]

I see there's a very spiritied competition for the "Most Effusive and Over-the-Top Praise for the Host in Order to Get Likes" award! Never a disappointment when Mr. Fletcher takes the stage!

[@dennisshank2715]

All Hail Sir David Fletcher! You know you're in for a treat when he steps up to the mic! This always give me a smile when he starts the show! Never change your ways Sir!

[@PitFriend1]

I like the old photo that shows one labeled: “WARNING LEFT HAND DRIVE”.

[@andrewallason4530]

@Paul Fellows “warning to other road users that the vehicle will manoeuvre without the driver being able to signal his intentions”. Nah mate, It’s not a BMW. 😜

[@bob_the_bomb4508]

@@andrewallason4530 Excellent :)

[@aac7183]

Street sweeping vehicles always had the left hand drive warning as the the left hand drive allowed the driver to see the kerbs as he sweeped .

[@brianlinke1856]

My grandfather, Alexander Linke was a service man for White Steam Cars (same company) in Canada... and earlier had driven a steamer from Cleveland , Ohio to St, Louis, Missouri as a reliability test. As steam cars phased out White turned to trucks and buses (later Scout Cars/ Half -Tracks as well). Special note: IDF obtained a wide selection of White Half Tracks from salvage yards in Europe in the late 40's & early 50's. All were made operational, many can be seen in extensive use on all fronts in the Middle East.

[@chestercallahan8856]

A pleasure to see Sir David Fletcher so early in the morning!

[@markiesmith4537]

David Fletcher - the BEST explainer of these fighting vehicles by far!

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Another excellent video from David Fletcher and the Tank museum

[@rdfox76]

Trivia note: US halftracks were, essentially, the White Scout Car with the rear axle removed and replaced with a track system. They were *much* less prone to bogging down than the wheeled version, for obvious reasons!

[@JackDrinkn2DollarJim]

Yes and no, Body was longer along with other improvements and several different companies built them.

[@mikeynth7919]

@@JackDrinkn2DollarJim S

[@mikeynth7919]

Several different companies made them describes all of US WWII manufacturing.

[@Ubique2927]

How things repeat. We are now back to this type of vehicle.

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

Humvee? Better cross country, no armor to speak of, and 10x as expensive.

[@Ubique2927]

@@princeofcupspoc9073 .. Precisely. People should ask soldiers what they want before ordering the things. The British Army now has open top carriers that are no use in any role. The armour protection, what there is of it, goes up to waist height.

[@thomasmusso1147]

@@Ubique2927 Those who order and design such stuff normally have no intention of ever being in one.

[@derekp2674]

@@thomasmusso1147 ...and those who manage them view days out with the troops as a bit of a jolly, so won't let them do that.

[@reubensandwich9249]

A "sonic warfare" version with speakers playing the sounds of enemy? Would be a great April Fools Day demonstration for the tank museum's parade ground. Play the sound of tanks and then that thing with speakers shows up.

[@dirkusmaximus9268]

Russian also did these things, a sound that armour was coming. Germans put down their artillery on the first line, the Russian Infantry, temporarily staying at the second line of defence came forward afterwoods. Germans lost a lot of ammo, and then they attacked. Germans got far more dependant on artillery for defence to the end of the war ! No planes, no tanks for protections, sometimes no direct fire of antitankguns or artilleryguns. Just the very, very useful Nebelwerfer with rockets, so easy to manufacture, so light to transport, so easy to handle. Was the mainstay of the artillery to the end of the war. Compare it to Panzerfaust versus antitankgun. And the Nebelwerfer versus the Katjoesja, Nebelwerfer arguably even more handy.

[@edwardpate6128]

Those big Hercules engines were great! I had one in a 1959 Chris Craft boat I owned. A torque monster!

[@tonnywildweasel8138]

I remember when I was a kid putting together a model of these, how amazed I was that there were no back doors in it. Big design flaw! Still a good looking truck by the way. Greets from the Netherlands 🌷, T.

[@nealroberts1973]

We used to have one sitting in the motor-pool when I was stationed in Darmstadt Germany in the early 2000's, it was pretty cool to check it out. I wonder what happened to it when they closed the base.

[@774Rob]

There was one at Kitzingen in 2004 too. They might have ended up at Baumholder, there was all sorts when I was there in 2009.

[@demonprinces17]

Dump

[@nealroberts1973]

@@774Rob yea I remember that also I was in 121, I think it was it was by 4/3 ada if I remember right.

[@774Rob]

@@nealroberts1973 Yep sat outside the offices.

[@774Rob]

@@demonprinces17 The base or the town?

[@jayreid4062]

Wonderful video. I'm still, slowly, working on the restoration of my 1942 SC that was with the US 91st Reccn Cavalry Troop, HQ vehicle #7. About all I have left is installing my new tires, brake work and some minor cosmetics. I found it on my wife's family farm in west Texas in about 95% original condition, stars and all.

[@notbobrosss3670]

There quite good on roads. As long as u don’t mind turning to much. Never change sir, never change.

[@randyhavard6084]

You got to love the tank chats with David Fletcher.

[@azwris]

He's back with a favorite!!!

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Mr Fletcher .

[@charlesdexterward7781]

If you asked most people who aren't into military vehicles whether this was developed before or after 1939, I'd definitely take the over. It looks surprisingly modern in many ways, like an early Humvee.

[@maxkronader5225]

You're actually Ward, right? Not Curwen?

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

@@maxkronader5225 Pre or post summoning?

[@maxkronader5225]

@@princeofcupspoc9073 Well, post summoning, Ward soon grew silent and increasingly smelly.😁

[@genericpersonx333]

@@Talos827 It should not be too shocking that most Soviet trucks ended up looking very American for the longest time, because they learned to make trucks mostly from the Americans back in the 1920s and 1930s, and then received huge numbers of American vehicles like the M3 Scout Car here and its halftrack cousins as Lend-Lease during the war.

[@774Rob]

If you mean its surprisingly uncomfortable for its size, I'd agree.

[@skyw4lk3r48]

I miss you grandpa Fletcher..the way you explain each vehicle always made me laugh and well informed.

[@giuseppe4909]

One of my favorite military vehicles. My dad drove one of these during the war.

[@PUBHEAD1]

Another tank chat with Mr. Fletcher. Great way to start my Friday.

[@derekmills1080]

Thank you David, thoroughly interesting.

[@brakecompo2005]

My father always spoke very highly of ‘his’ one - as a national serviceman, he was the personal radio operator to a brigadier in 11 Armoured Div in Germany in 1950-52. The brig had a radio truck version of this, a half-track version, a large Bedford command truck, and a command-version Centurion. But it was this that normally went on the very frequent manoeuvres, with the Bedford being used at base. In his photos these are the only two members of the fleet that one sees, a post-parade shot from the turret of the Cent notwithstanding. I do have a photo of it sunk up to its axles in mud however - I guess with the bulbous great radio body on the back it was even worse across country! But Dad always raved about it, generally because of its reliability, and speed in military convoys.

[@glennpaton8283]

This was the first armoured vehicle I saw when I joined the Australian army and was at Singleton range, belonged to the dems instructor. Second armoured vehicle I saw was the same day, what was left of a Stuart tank, pieces of it's armour which we used as targets.

[@AdmiralBob]

Well that was an interesting watch as I sit next to our White sewing machine.

[@bjf10]

We own a White sewing machine that I bought when I lived in Cleveland!

[@DB.KOOPER]

I'd love to resto-mod one of these with a more modern (no DPF) diesel engine and brakes/power steering... they look so cool. Much like our Power Wagons which I grew up driving in NW logging country.

[@jamessotherden5909]

Quite workman like. That is high praise for a vehicle.

[@06colkurtz]

Welcome back Sir. Nice to see you

[@thesalopian1389]

My Father trained with White scout cars in Yorkshire and Scotland towards the end of WW2. I remember some of the stories, and it would appear he was training for the 'SONIC WARFARE', though he never referred to it as that. He said they were armed with one Bren gun and a couple of Stens, for the three man crew, and that the whole of the back was full of electronics to play not only sound but to transmit the radio traffic of an armoured division. They thought the Car was great, until one was 'cut in half' by a bus in Doncaster, after which they all felt a little more vulnerable. He was training for the invasion of Japan, when the Nuclear bombs were dropped, and was always very pleased not to have had to actually use the kit for real, as they all thought their chances of survival were low. Never the less, he was always pleased and emotional when seeing a White Scout car in a museum. He died in 2011.

[@harryfaber]

It is strange, I think of nuclear bombs as awful things, but I had an uncle who trained as a rear gunner on Lancasters. He qualified slightly after VE day, and thought 'jolly good', until some chap explained Tiger Force and how he would be off to fight the Japanese. Aircraft were painted, gunners learned A/C recognition of Japanese aircraft, wills were written, all the jolly things chaps do at times like that, and then, after a couple of loud bangs, it was all over, and uncle never did see any enemies, unless the SWO counts. He was quite pleased about atom bombs.

[@seanshea8596]

In San Francisco they had White Brand Busses as late as the 1970s?? . During Muni heritage day they haul out the old 1939 White Bus. It has a nice comfortable ride.

[@lib556]

The White Scout Car was in significant use by the Westminster Regiment (motor) in the 5th Canadian Armoured Div. The Westies were the 'go to' infantry bn in 5th Armd because they were the first fully motorized bn in the Cdn Army. They were more mobile and slightly better protected and could be rushed into a scrape - like forcing the crossing and holding a bridge head over the Melfa River that led to the piercing of the Hitler Line in Italy. The action where Maj Jack Mahony earned his VC.

[@alexsweet8585]

Thomas White founded White Sewing Machine Company and White Motor Company. Rollin White had the patent for the bored-through revolver cylinder.

[@carlpolen7437]

This guys passive British jingoism is amazing.

[@Tempestzzzz]

Fletcher needs an agent. Love Tank Chats but this gentlemen would be a HUGE success on TV.. Original a Real Original.

[@alastairbarkley6572]

The PHANTOM signals recon. units made extensive use of the M3 Scout Car. The internal space allowed the use of their favourite British radio gear, the WS52 transmitter and the R-107 receiver - real wireless boat anchors which were a tight squeeze in the Humber and Daimler Dingo light armoured cars PHANTOM also used.

[@thomasburke7995]

I enjoy FLETCHER delivery.. great to hear him roast the ww2 American designs only to flip it around and inform us (the American audiences) how the British reporpuseed the equipment to fit thier needs

[@Franky46Boy]

Forgot to mention that later on it was developed into the White M3 halftrack that had better cross country characteristics...

[@digitaIgorilla]

Fascinating. Does make you wonder as to the original criteria 😄

[@chasetower6773]

🙌🏽🙌🏽 Cleveland 🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@dot2562]

Dave rocking it gangster style, 1 shirt sleeve half up 👍👍😎😎👐👐

[@yereverluvinuncleber]

One of my favourite armoured vehicles.

[@stevekazenwadel5423]

Used in Australia till the early 1960s in RAAC CMF units

[@ericgrace9995]

That Scout Car was called "Blue Peter " ?? All we got in England was a badge. !

[@yellowjackboots2624]

"Toby from Chichester sent us in this lovely drawing of a horse. Congratulations Toby, you've won a... [checks notes]... White Scout Car."

[@cncshrops]

It was one they'd made earlier.

[@dirkusmaximus9268]

Have a 1/43 model of it in desert camo scheme. I can drive it anywhere, easy to airlift as well. Versatile vehicle, a little bit for scouting…

[@kiloalphahotel5354]

Thanks for the vid. Always great.

[@jasonz7788]

Great work Sir thank you

[@jasonshull3106]

Great video as always thanks

[@rcfokker1630]

Rollin White patented the bored-thru cylinder which was incorporated into revolvers. He sold his idea to Smith and Wesson. And the rest is history.

[@levimonroe8687]

Yes, finally, my favorite armored car

[@JessWLStuart]

I challenge David Fletcher to give a talk on an "uninteresting vehicle"! Just Kidding, of course! David Fletcher knocks it out of the park once again!

[@KMac329]

T(h)anks again to David Fletcher for another brilliant and informative tank chat. I wonder if, when the British found other uses for the M3A1 besides scouting, they customized it to make it more suitable as an ambulance, supply lorry, etc, eg, like cutting away part of the rear for better access and egress.

[@Lord.Kiltridge]

I have a 1904 White sewing machine. It looks exactly like the later Singer pedal powered sewing machines.

[@brognog1145]

funky looking tank

[@georgem7965]

When the 115th Cavalry (Horse/Mechanized) Regiment of the Wyoming National Guard was activated in 1941 it was equipped with the White Scout Car and hay burning horses.

[@brittakriep2938]

When in 1935 Wehrmacht started with tank forces, also Cavallry things had been used, so at first a capitain of tankforces was no Hauptmann, but a Rittmeister.

[@jjkusaf]

5:08 "Caution: Left hand drive" ... Huh. Never seen that before... assuming it was on all left hand vehicles in the European theater?

[@ByronLina]

That vehicle was in UK military service and was LHD for use on the continent, but might well be driven in the UK as well, hence the warning (to other road-users that the driver is on the opposite side to normal and might have visibility impaired). The same warning was (is?) on many UK military vehicles.

[@thoughtengine]

The same warning applies to vehicles in the Pacific Theatre, as they may have to be driven in Australia. Even today, some civilian vehicles may carry this caution, though the sign will be vastly different; authentic preserved vehicles will have that sign, as WW2 jeeps and trucks are often road-registered.

[@tristan1234567890]

love the picture at 7:19. i do believe these to be Dutch forces prior to the May 1940 invasion

[@jhgylugkfhfhlgf]

Well spotted; although I never heard of them in mainland Dutch army; but according to wikipedia 40 were delivered to Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia) so the picture can be of KNIL soldiers.

[@F1ghteR41]

And the 5:50 shows it in the Soviet service as a ZiS-3 tower, a relatively rear role when compared to its use as a scout car per se or as an APC.

[@theromanorder]

YESSS ABOUT TIME I NEED THIS THANK YOU

[@redj59]

"in extreme discomfort I might add, but there you are." he's a comedian and doesn't know it. HA

[@cncshrops]

What on earth makes you think he 'doesn't know it'?

[@hensleyshobbies-doug7761]

Yes sir, White had his hands in a little bit of everything, so to speak. That’s probably one of the reasons why he’s been around so long and the White name is still around today.

[@donxz2555]

Nice to see the man with the moustache in fine flow Not at all interested in Mr Smith popping up doing an advert halfway through as if KZbin do give us enough !

[@maxpayne2574]

They give you free content what more do you want.

[@iantreefellow]

Early Humvee (3:21) nice.

[@laszlokaestner5766]

Looking at it and the obvious access problem I wonder why they never put doors on the back to allow easier loading? It would have been really useful for ambulances, stores and APC roles.

[@armouredcomp9978]

The M2 did, they removed it for the M3

[@stephenduffy5406]

The front roller was actually called the mustache...

[@ChrisS-fh7zt]

Yes and that Hercules engine most was built in Massillon Ohio, the factory is still standing to this day, pretty much as it was during WWII, I pass it a few times in my life. But one important fact if it wasn't for this thing then the M3 halftrack wouldn't have been made.

[@Alex901028]

I find the none tank videos more interesting than the ones with tanks. Had to much focus on those machines my whole life

[@samiam5557]

David Fletcher is worth more to England than the Queens Royal Jewelry.

[@christopherbell5817]

He's a national treasure.

[@dot2562]

Pint with David and Fred dibna

[@SFJPMoonGames]

Please do a deal with GameSpot like the Royal Armouries have done. This will help the museum so much commercially and increase interest and footfall. Great video as always.

[@dogsnads5634]

Tank Museum has lots of involvement with World of Tanks and have done for a few years.

[@SFJPMoonGames]

@@dogsnads5634 Tank Fest yes, however opening up new avenues which has worked wonders for the royal armouries surely makes sense? It also captures an entirely new audience and therefore increase revenue, allowing for growth and future proofing the museum.

[@jayreid8389]

I'm restoring one that belonged to the 91st Reconnaissance Troop, Headquarters, vehicle number seven.

[@frankbarnwell____]

Adaptable in all but design

[@nzgunnie]

Kiwis had quite a few in Italy.

[@dillonpierce7869]

Last time I got to watch these things this early I had a job it turns out I hated. 😂👍

[@tacomas9602]

I feel like one of these would be really nice as a heavy duty jeep sort of thing, strip all the armor off of it and leave the body. Cut the overhang as much as you can in front of the axles and the bumper end of course, maybe it'd be better that way?

[@HO-bndk]

5:30 Those are the smartest (in the British sense of smart) wounded I've ever seen. "Stretcher cases! Stretcher cases...Atten...SHUN!"

[@Subcomandante73]

This one appears to be painted with an RAF A2 roundel on the bonnet.

[@pdallen8355]

Possibly in the colours of a British unit that saw service in Italy then.

[@Subcomandante73]

@@pdallen8355 It has the Royal Armoured Corps red/white/red flash on the side. From another photo it has the Polish hussar emblem.

[@yelwing]

I’m surprised there was no mention of its halftrack cousin

[@marvwatkins7029]

If David disliked the American half track, I just knew that he would totally loathe this vehicle.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

So i guess bullets were the only ones not having a Problem geting in?

[@johndoe-so2ef]

Actually found one of these in the desert when I was a kid, fired my 38 at it from about fifteen feet, didn't do that again, it came straight back at me, made a nice whizzing sound😁

[@kimwild5390]

The mustache is the ultimate ideal

[@martentrudeau6948]

Great truck, it's a beast, but wouldn't the Jeep have been better for scouting, being faster and more mobile. Good history!!!

[@captainswoop8722]

not armoured though.

[@martentrudeau6948]

@@captainswoop8722 ~ True.

[@jayfelsberg1931]

Do you guys at the museum ever go out to the pub with David?

[@scottybeegood]

DF is awesome!

[@michaelwhite9199]

I wish I could travel to the United Kingdom to visit the Tank Museum.

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

@John Milton Americans are scared of the concept of not being in their home state, much less country. When you realize that most of the rest of the world hates Americans, and with good reason, we'd rather hide in our little hovels, full of guns, and complain that foreigners are ruining the country. Well not all of us. About half.

[@rickmoreno6858]

Bovington Tank Museum, When are you guys mailing the 3 book set of afv, armor, vehicles that I ordered earlier this summer?

[@noserenda]

Its fine on the road if you dont go round corners.... ZIng! :D

[@nickdanger3802]

6,997 Scout, M3A1 Lend Leased to British Empire. 3,340 to USSR page 9 Hyperwar Lend Lease Shipments Ordnance General Supplies

[@martingardener90]

One of those vehicles that could do nothing really well but could do nearly anything up to a point!

[@lairdcummings9092]

Broad utility is often better than perfect function in a narrow area.

[@martingardener90]

@@lairdcummings9092 Confucius?

[@lairdcummings9092]

@@martingardener90 Clausewitz.

[@martingardener90]

@@lairdcummings9092 Had to Google him!

[@valterslacis614]

Interestingly this is the only APC that soviets had during WW2. Even after war BTR152 looked like a cross between this and Hanomag.

[@The_Modeling_Underdog]

They had the Konsomolets. But it was APC only for the crew. The soviets actually quite liked the White. no wonders the 152 came out looking fairly similar, as you mention. Cheers.

[@planetgong23]

Hello, don't suppose you folks have a Lynx scout car in the collection? My uncle Garnet drove one through Normandy, Belgium and the Netherlands.

[@StutleyConstable]

Cool, but I am still waiting on a review of the Herkimer Battle Jitney.

[@StutleyConstable]

@Paul Fellows I can't believe you have never heard of it. That's the finest nonlethal military vehicle ever made!

[@ImWallace799]

I don't want to hit the bell or the sub button because I already did