"What Happens On The Tour, STAYS On Tour"

[@kchez5586]

"There's no rules in touring..." Except bringing a 6 pack on the gospel bus, apparently.

[@banshee37]

I ve heard cocktails are allowed ;)

[@gsmith207]

that was a great story. Beware of Bible thumpers my dad always used to say they are worse than you think you are.

[@greenmatrix30seven]

Aahh I see what you did there 😏😏😏😏

[@gsmith207]

@@banshee37 haaaaa

[@neilpatrickhairless]

Dead ass, high school band trips are way more spicy than the average local metal band's tour

[@lewisb85]

The mystery of "what happens on tour stays on tour" disappeared the day that motley crue published "the dirt" or when Queen told their stories as a series. Plus after the warped tour incidents I like the accountability of people talking about it.

[@Martin_Koepl]

Haven't heard, read or seen the Queen stories, but the dirt is a well constructed train wreck, a scandal book that portrays Motley Crue in a certain way to built their partying rock star reputation. There might be a grain of truth in it, but well that is most likely all there is.

[@glengamble526]

You might wanna go back a few years…lol Ian Hunter-Diary of a Rock and Roll Star Up and Down With The Rolling Stones Start there…learn yer history😘

[@SonoranDub]

What happened on the Warped Tours?

[@colinrussell2017]

​@@glengamble526I'll be sure to check that out Boomer!👴

[@greenmountaingrower4680]

And not to mention the home videos done by everybody from Pantera to Marilyn Manson and Korn. "What happens on tour stays on tour" has not been a thing for a while.

[@sullimd]

Could listen to these all day. 99.9999% of us will never be on a tour and always wonder about the logistics, money, personnel dynamics, etc. Great series.

[@arctrooper999]

Exactly!

[@schwebicom]

I've been a tour manager for many years and I still love listening to all those stories

[@Rikster_79]

Dude, from an ex touring drummer. Your stories are awesome, they’re entertaining and very interesting. Please keep em coming!

[@Telefiend]

I can only imagine how furious Pat Benatar and Neal Geraldo were when you talked about how wonderful and gracious they were and how much you learned from them and how much you appreciated them.

[@ErikGenerik76]

I can confirm Pat is "fun" to work with.

[@muziktrkr]

Pat wrote in her memoir about how she was recording a couple of months, touring the rest of the year, then back in the studio, then back on tour for 9 months, lather, rinse, repeat. She lived the recording and tour grind for years and dudes would say inappropriate stuff in front of her husband to her.

[@a_planet_on_fire]

I used to date her but "love is a battlefield", she "used sex as a weapon", and then "hit me with her best shot"... 😮 None of that is true btw.😂...

[@catherinebhicks]

@@muziktrkr doesn’t surprise me. And I’m sure it had been toned down by the time I got on the road from the time she was in her heyday and guys were absolute dumpster fires sometimes towards me. I can only imagine what she got.

[@catherinebhicks]

As a woman who spent a good chunk of my life on the road I am so so thankful for what you're sharing SO MUCH BULLSHIT would not happen if people spoke up and called it out instead of just living by some bullshit code. Thankfully I had (the vast majority/mostly) good experiences, but as a woman there sure was some bullshit that did occur that I never felt like I could really share without affecting my career. You share what you share professionally and you bring to light a lot of things about how it works for people thinking about jumping into the industry which I think is awesome. For those of us who had to jump in blind feet first up to our necks, it feels like it should be some sort of responsibility to make sure people know to some degree what theyre getting into

[@neilpatrickhairless]

A lot of the female musicians I know personally became resident club DJ's after a few long tours because they get to be in the booth away from everyone else, get to play the music they like, and they get free food and drinks usually which of course is usually NOT the band touring situation for a lot of ladies

[@catherinebhicks]

@@neilpatrickhairless I was a tour photographer/videographer so my path was heading into corporate events. I worked for a great staging company where I eventually ended up off the road entirely managing projects which was much needed cause I was toasted. After awhile I went back to what I actually went to school for and have been a full time graphic designer for along time now. - your handle has me cackling BTW (chef's kiss) :)

[@BeatsAndMeats]

I used to date an impossibly pretty Colombian girl who was a TM for a ton of VERY well-known bands, and I could write a book just on my hazy recollection of all the stories she told me about the ways shady dudes would try to bang her… and she had a LOT of receipts. To be fair, she was an absolute smoke show.

[@2LaMort]

My first tour ever was 20 years ago and on that tour the band mgr SA’d me. I never said anything for fear of all the things and I didn’t tour again until late last year. I’m only now beginning to learn to navigate the PTSD it caused. I wish for all of us to find the courage to tell our stories.

[@catherinebhicks]

@ thankfully that is not my story but it came super close to it a few times. trust that I understand how it could have happened and I’m so so sorry you went through it.

[@scott744]

Electric callboy are one of the most transparent bands ever with all their funny crazy vlogs and let you film Tank! Love those guys and all the crew so much!!! But yeah the stories are from years ago and you don't drag people through the mud but do call the crappy behaviour out which is right! 👍 Keep smashing it bud and I hope the family are great

[@toyotaecw]

They’d probably fire him if he didn’t film🤣

[@matthewjoy475]

You doing this is going to inspire a lot of young folks into considering becoming a roadie as a possible career path, which is awesome.

[@robertcadiz4346]

And.... I'm one of them. Precisely. I wanna know how to get involved if anything... on a low key level. Boom 💥, another video idea. "How to get involved"...

[@thatguy_5240]

"What happens on tour stays on tour" is basically saying "let the system exploit you so you don't rock the boat", and the whole "you won't get hired" thing is rich when talking about Tank, who is one of the most well known and respected roadies in the scene.

[@Dr.Gonzo-]

Tank, I've been following the channel since you were under 50k subs. This series has been one of the most revealing, thought-provoking, and entertaining things you've done. Period. Especially for someone outside the industry who has no personal or professional experience with any of this. I'm just a music and music content fan. And it is so cool to hear first-hand experience from someone with such a cool background. Don't stop with the current series. Nevermind anyone hating on it. You're doing it the right way. And it's awesome that it's bringing new and hopefully lasting attention to your channel. You've always deserved it.🤘🤘

[@MikeMartell-f3p]

As someone who toured in the eighties and nineties, many tours did live up to the reputation that's been set. Eventually, management realized how much money the bands could actual make touring and how the profits were disappearing from album sales and it became more of a business where the craziness was weeded out. It's better today as longevity in touring is preserved by the absence of the craziness that used to be.

[@stevelilly3922]

Worked for GNR’s manager in the 90’s and maaaaan his stories are all time…and not to be repeated in polite conversation haha.

[@Hair8Metal8Karen]

4:10 You never say anything that makes anyone look bad. You are very respectful, which is why the stories are so good. It's so important to talk about industries because if things are allowed to operate in secret is when abuse of power can occur. Any tour that wouldn't hire you for your stories is a tour that probably wouldn't line up with your values and integrity.

[@zwicker5585]

yup. Just the typical "shut up so I can abuse you" excuse. Everyone whos done wrong thinks you should stay quiet and protect them

[@2LaMort]

please keep talking about it all! 100% they are afraid of what might be said. For 20 years ive been afraid of talking about SA perpetrated by my boss, the bands mgr, in the back lounge of the bus. We all need to tell our stories and experiences. THANK YOU!!

[@LeadMuncher09]

Your roadie stories and behind the scenes videos are what made me find your channel and subscribe. They're very interesting and informative of how the scene is. Definitely a worthy series

[@Exile1a]

Love the behind the scenes on your Roadie Vlogs, especially when looking back at your first reactions. "The lighting director for their shows is great." And then me thinking, that's Patrick, you'll be shooting the shit with him in a few months. Or your comment on the "camera guy" being on stage and filming the crowd during the breakdown in We got the Moves. That's Christian, you two will be giggling and chuckling at an in-joke within 2 roadie vlog episodes. But most of all I love how you're basically Nico's support animal on his side of the stage. He seems to be someone who can get a bit stressed at times and can rely on the friend he's got in his corner. Friends working together without stupid hyped "reality show" stuff. Eagerly awaiting the next vlogs.

[@WoodyRunning]

Off topic from the video but I still always have a huge smile on my face when you talk about being TM for Electric Callboy. You were the guy that got me into them through your reactions so to see you in this position now is so cool man ❤

[@themercycatalog]

Tank, I've been down with the flu for 2 days now and your stories are the only thing keeping me sane right now. Keep doing these, you're making a positive impact dude 🤘

[@gagekale]

I absolutely LOVE this series, keep it up! It seems just about everything is being told on social media now, I don't think anything is "private" anymore. It seems as though the crap has hit the fan both on and off stage, bandmates fighting, singers in particular getting angry at and attacking fans or random people in the audience for taking pictures or just having their phones out in general. So much has changed but by the same token maybe other things really haven't, with social media and people's phones/cameras it's just more accessible for everyone to see.

[@TankGunBullet]

The first rule is “don’t shit on the bus”

[@shleyLX]

The only true unbreakable rule. Also maybe don't let 13 people take shit then showers in a row unless you want to have a toilet explode and flood shower room and the ones below it. An amazing TM somehow got us out of that by renting the 2 rooms we flooded with no other charges.

[@cmkeelDIM]

THIS!!!!!!

[@PerkeleKeyboardist]

18-bunk nightliner chicken tikka masala hotbag championship: happened

[@shleyLX]

@@PerkeleKeyboardist Epic , piss jugs have nothing on hotbags.

[@catherinebhicks]

I would always laugh when, as the lone female, our bus drivers would always half jokingly remind us “ stand up on the bus and sit down at the truck stop except for you Princess. 👑”

[@martinvannostrand8488]

Very satisfied with these videos, I thought this is what the channel would be about when I subscribed and I’m enjoying it

[@Vinceras]

So far, I'm thoroughly enjoying the series! Nothing wrong with telling stories, and you definitely aren't dragging anyone. Relationships sour, and people change. It's life.

[@The_KlaVra]

I love this types of videos. It makes me remember the time I was a roadie for a few shows for an Uuruguayan band on a summer. I didnt do more than help them load and unload stuff, and I wasnt getting paid because I was a teenager that was a fan that offered themselves as help so they could interact more with people. And one time, I got paid with a smoothie. GREATEST 4 OR 5 DAYS OF MY SUMMER. After the smoothie show, they had to drop me off but couldnt get to deep into the city because they had to take a route to get to their home, so they left me like a good 2 kilometers away from the apartment my parents where renting. And I will always cherish those days.

[@vBoostedv]

i for one will never be able to go on tour, as much as i want to. but i get to live vicariously through you.

[@medea27]

Being able to share personal experiences & express the salient points or message _without_ identifying those involved is a testament to your integrity Tank... far from a negative, it shows that you have the self-awareness, maturity & professionalism to know where the line is. That's a desirable skill in a lot of industries, because it demonstrates you can be trusted to advocate without revealing important info... it's even a skill that's nurtured in executive coaching, because learning through other people's experiences is 2nd only to experiencing it ourselves. And if people can't apply critical thinking to stories they hear on the internet, that's their problem... it's not your job to fill in the blanks to satisfy their cynicism or curiosity. 👍

[@hamishmctiaigh4363]

Mate, you're doing a great job, Im really enjoying listening to the actual behind the scenes of what's going on at concerts. I have some limited experience of being involved in organising and working as assistant to the organiser at 4000-5000 audience events, when everything has to be worked on well in advance and then you actually have to see through everything actually happening and I do have enormous respect for everyone involved as long as they re taking their job responsibily. And you do give credit where the credit is due. Keep up the good work!

[@heroizumi]

I know the truth about Tank. He's a a really nice guy working for a really nice band. That's it. Thanks for the video Tankieboy!

[@eddiekalista3222]

I remember one of the vids when you were with EC in Europe, the guys told you that they talked about what it would mean to have a known KZbinr with a gopro on his chest with them, and they all agreed it was fine. They knew to expect to see you always filming, and to expect you being recognized and have people cheering for you. They were totally ok with it. It’s obvious that they haven’t regretted that decision.

[@trelard]

Great video. "What Happens On The Tour, STAYS On Tour" has always been a load of bollocks. Without exception, every roadie I've ever asked for road stories has given them to me in abundance.

[@TheRaxification]

Another Tank Story time to help get through the work day. Let's go!!!

[@wtelmark]

i watch him at work too!

[@arturogatti4307]

Love the channel, Tank. Above all, I believe you're a reliable (honest) historian and I appreciate that a great deal. What young metalhead hasn't dreamt of either being onstage or backstage building the show??? It's great to hear the realities of the road. Thanks, man.

[@ellie.v9765]

😂😂🤦

[@tomhancock8184]

As a non-musician, I find your stories interesting and entertaining. Keep up the good work.

[@joelmccoy1989]

I moved to Nashville recently and have been on a couple tours already. I really enjoy your content because it's very relatable and even encouraging in a few ways.

[@jackischannelaboutnothing]

Quite simply, I'm glad you're doing this. For me, it just adds appreciation for the crew and just how much goes into every single show.

[@tga1976]

Having worked for some really big promoters in my past, I love your stories so far. Brought back memories of the few tours I worked on (good and bad) and keep telling your stories, telling your truth and I think being more open about touring will humanise the people that work on the road and the musicians themselves especially how .... intense the fandom can be these days.

[@anotherbrickinthegrey]

These Roadie Stories are so awesome and my favourite content on your channel! It's really neat to get a behind-the-scenes peek into the world of music touring and being a roadie - but more especially from someone who is capable of being objective about situations they were involved in and not just churning drama from a one-sided perspective. I really hope that there are going to be many more to come! 🤘

[@WOLFIExBABYxSAMMIE]

As a stage hand I love your channel and especially this series. I really hope to meet you some day! take care

[@PaulNeighbours-tg6nv]

Brother they are YOUR stories. Share them to anyone you want. I was in the pro wrestling business for 10 years and love sharing stories! To us it's great to share what we went through and people LOVE hearing it. Keep on being you brother.

[@Drewsiefer]

Some of my favorite things with your content has always been your perspective as someone in the industry. I've genuinely learned a lot about the behind the scenes of touring and roadie work from your content. These stories are fun to listen to and watching the vlogs is great as well since it also highlights the lesser known people in the employment end of the bands and showcases those who really help make what we enjoy with shows a reality!

[@SneakyFoxxxy]

I love the stories and think its a great addition to the channel! Some of my favorite videos are your deep dives into festivals and the other side of situations that someone not in the industry wouldnt know about. It is great that you (a genuinely interesting person) would be willing to sit and share your experiences. Looking forward to more!

[@yulligoteckg2]

I enjoy you telling storys of your life as a rodie. It reminds me of my brothers band, I can't recal how mutch stage staff they had when he was the drummer, til they have split up years ago.

[@C6Rocky]

I've been a long time viewer and this series is so awesome to listen too. Keep up the awesome content!

[@Hellraiser1313]

Thanks for all the insight Tank! Hope these old ways go by the wayside soon. Stay awesome!

[@adamadeptus3686]

Roadie Storytime = my favourite videos you make. Please keep them coming!

[@tornadoshankz]

These stories are fascinating to me. I wanted to tech and stuff when I was younger. I've had a social media blackout on myself for 15 years. Kinda forced me out of playing and helping a few bands. I never regretted that, but it's fun to live vicariously through you. So thank you, and also you've kept it super professional. True class.

[@dannyblau3850]

Under appreciated qualification for working as a musician or crew that isn't necessarily nearly as important in a corporate job. Being professional and getting your job done or doing the gig right of course, but almost as important is being a good hang. You are going to be around these people in close proximity in very different environments and it's gotta be someone you actually want to be around.

[@KelMarC]

This whole Storytime series is incredibly interesting. Your channel is so unique! Definitely keep the stories coming!

[@yvonnevanwaegeningh-tiggel4577]

Totally agree with you Tank! Thank you for sharing your stories with us. I'm one of those who likes the experience without the travel 😉 So I'll definitely be following the series! 😀

[@pin-upmariposa412]

I'm grateful that you share these stories. I never work in the music industry, but I can say that all kind of companies have their own funny or dark sides. It's always interesting to me. I'm waiting for more, as always. Have a great day.

[@katemarr1984]

Tank, I'm always down for a good roadie story! Keep them coming!

[@adamhoffoss5768]

Man, I spent 10 years touring with my band and I absolutely LOVE hearing these stories! You're doing it perfectly.

[@scottjarzomski5223]

Please keep sharing stories. I Love This. ❤

[@davewestner]

"There are no rules on the road. Now sign this NDA"

[@gantmj]

I've never signed a NDA to tour, only for jobs that are recorded, so what happens isn't spoiled before it's released.

[@meowtherainbowx4163]

Information wants to be free. There's no need to keep secrets for arbitrary reasons. Tank, I love what you're doing. Keep it up!

[@Countmiggs]

Hello Tank!! I subscribe to your channel not a long ago and since you started this series I really think that you are giving something that not really a lot of people share (not saying that I´m not interested in the rest of the content that you share, not the case), but this is something else. As a musician myself I totally understand what you say: this is a super cool job with lot of fun stories to tell and also it is helpful to give people an insight on how really this job works. You are talking about your experiences and you are not dragging anyone through the mud and yeah....there´s shitty people in the industry as there are shitty people in any other job around, so no misteries there. Thank you for content, for being open and for sharing the things that you share jobwise!

[@MooreXplorer]

I love these. Can't wait for the next one

[@darkstar5871]

You did something that I think is good, youre breaking the stigma. You're showing it for what it actually is. I've been touring since I was 18 and it's exactly what you describe it to be. War stories make for good content and a lot of times, theyre entertaining to look back on.

[@jdsmith5900]

Subscribed for this roadie story time series! Keep up the good work. 👍🏻

[@scottieskatan4219]

Love your way of thinking keep on rocking it Bud... ...

[@Ramzy82]

First of all: Your stories are really interesting… especially after getting home from work it’s pretty nice to clear your mind and enjoy different content. Your way of talking about that stuff is like listening to an older brother (although I never had one and I'm slightly older than you). Second: Nice beard 😉 Last but not least: Thank you! You're awesome!

[@aidaneckart5054]

I love the insight. If I didn't end up where I did in life I often think I would be in the music industry somewhere. So I really appreciate getting to hear your stories and see behind the scenes! Very cool.

[@iDEATH]

I like the stories, so I'm glad you are talking about 'em. Even if you are making stuff up, it's a good story time! You're bang on about how the mystery of celebrity is gone. Actors and musicians both, as you said, have been revealed to be just as dumb and useless as the rest of us. As the good books says, "Everyone Poops."

[@joelflex]

look forward to these everytime u post : these are super interesting as somebody who loves music. your such a relatable guy

[@kendall72fxr]

ROADIE STORIES, gear reviews, stage setup, amps, wiring, techs, and lighting. All my favorite things. Keep it up 👍

[@sunnymclean7950]

Sending Love from a Backstage tour caterer! 🖤

[@emdezet3559]

I really enjoy to listen to your stories.

[@kajsa78kajsa]

I really enjoy these Storytimes! So fun and interesting!

[@HillBoston]

"Don't meet your heroes, you might be disappointed." The wisest words any man could ever say to anyone else. I met some artists and bands when i was very young, and learned a lot about stars i loved, and quickly learned many are drug riddles egos and assholes. Just the truth. Though, some are really really nice! This was an awesome vid. Thank you.

[@knull1320]

It would be an awesome thing to expand on this idea, and see if you can get a musician to come on in an interview style, to help tell roadie stories that involve them. Either way I absolutely love this!

[@JamesRussle365]

Ive always seen your channel and just ignored it cuz I'm more into the guitar content. Saw the first roadie video and was hooked. Now I've been watching all your vids and subscribed. Keep up the good work 💪

[@RhettegettBorshow]

There's no mystery anymore but there is stil ignorance, and as a layman I really appreciate not just the stories but the education about touring crews' jobs. There are so many hard working people behind the shows that most of us wouldn't even know about otherwise, and they deserve to be recognized and appreciated. So if somebody says "you shouldn't talk about it", they might even unknowingly hinder these people's chance for better pay and working conditions and just allowing the greedy ones and the assholes to thrive instead. So huge respect for doing what you do, keep it up!

[@SL0WZER0]

5:50 Look at him, Mr. Nik Nocturnal award winner! 😂

[@srudine]

Cool insight Tank! Thanks man.

[@cwes6404]

Thanks Tank I wil see you Friday

[@Dayznotconfused]

Please keep sharing!!! Thank you for your sacrifice and service! 😭🙏🏼

[@averageatbest8146]

@TankTheTech I've been a sub for a few years now. Not sure exactly when but it was your first Jinjer reaction if I remember correctly. Even the stories you've told outside of this series you've always made sure to never name names for lack of a better term. Like you said in the video you're very smart about your words, at least when it comes to that type of thing. 😄 🤘🤘🤘

[@frankbaird9672]

As a 35 year veteran of the touring industry I was initially very concerned about your sharing so much. It would not happen in my generation. And I would never be filming on stage. However, we talk about the maturation of our industry & how we are growing up. I think what you are able to do is part of that. I appreciate your stories & wish you the very best. Be encouraged.

[@TankTheTech]

Much appreciated, man. Our industry has changed a ton. Truth is, even 5 years ago I wouldn’t be comfortable doing this, but it just felt like now was appropriate. 🤷‍♂️

[@jonmallard2176]

I don't think I ever really looked at the "mystery" of the music industry until you mentioned it here. You are right though. Growing up (im currently 43), you would have to buy magazines just to see what your favourite artist said in an interview, or go to a show to see them in person, or stay up late to watch "Loud" (C'mon fellow Canadians, you know what i'm talking about! lol) to see the latest music video! Now, it's almost force fed to you so the "mystery" and excitement has been replaced with just mass consumption! *Old man shakes fist at clouds* I miss the old days! 🤣

[@crazytallicafux]

Only found your channel recently but love your videos! I worked with a high profile DJ for a few years and i can resonate with many of things you mention in this video and some from other videos.. Keep up the great content man, greetings from Australia!

[@UnhingedGamer]

I love your content! I've played in bands off an on for over a decade and while I'm not doing it anymore, I still write and record here and there. I'm also not into twitch so I'm really glad that you bring the content here to youtube as well. keep it up!

[@adammarkley8092]

This roadie not only approves of this content, I really enjoy relating to your stories of the road. The haters are just old jaded men.

[@JGrous]

I love this new series!!

[@CameySaurusRex]

I'm enjoying these stories as much as anybody else. I figure there's ppl out there that are "scared" to hear about what goes on or went on during a tour they were a part of but as long as the person telling the story is even comfortable doing so and has been a roadie long enough, I don't see anything wrong with it.

[@bbussey1967]

Absolutely Digging Your Awesome Channel 😊

[@FailureByProxy]

Your content is awesome!

[@MadMike1]

I think what you're doing is really important. I imagine some of your viewers are aspiring roadies and it's good that they have a peak behind the curtain so they can know what to expect.

[@jedhood6986]

I thoroughly enjoy these series. I don’t get to tour but some of the small weekenders my band (Roses Unread) has done have been a lot of fun. Mostly just me in the back asleep and us listening to crime podcasts and making fun of each other.

[@LauraKnotek]

I love this series because I'll never be a roadie, but I love music and love learning what touring is like.

[@guitar_nerd]

already love this series

[@iamneophyte]

Looks like you're getting away with less censoring, thats great. Looking forward to the next story!

[@MattPula]

7:17 - growing up Tool was one of my favorite bands, and I never even saw what any of the band members looked like for at least 6+ years of listening to their music. I hadn't thought about that, but you're right, things were so different.

[@Gavrev]

You strike me as a straight up professional, reasonable and solid dude so by that measure for you to talk about this stuff very transparently and honestly, diplomatically when required, then it's probably appreciated for all the good it can do, as well as the anecdotal fun. Electric Callboy are the last people I would expect to have a problem with you talking and entertaining on the side (although to this day I have no idea how you know them..)

[@williamsmith6213]

I feel like you doing this is a good way to make people stop being so shitty on the road. Everyone should talk about the stories they have and people who treat others like shit should know that people aren't going to just keep quiet and let it happen.

[@Riksi80]

Sidenote, Tanky-boy. Saw Power Trip and Pantera last Tuesday. Happy days.

[@alexdelage4698]

Hey men! Love that content idea of Roadie Story Time

[@stum7396]

Absolute respect Tank 👏

[@judedornisch4946]

A lot of it is the basic Team/Family dynamic that naturally develops, along with the isolation of constantly changing environments as you move from place to place constantly while on tour.

[@bnjkf9u3]

The formular is used in the bachelor for a lot of years.

[@marramusic]

You speak the truth brother. It’s like therapy hearing someone else speak the truth.

[@tinakerr2300]

I like hearing your stories. thanks

[@KILLSMASH]

I love all of the story videos. I've tuned in for all of them so far.

[@CruikshankSCP_VT]

I love watching Roadie Storytime on your YT, Tank. It is so cool to see what your career is like It would be cool if you got to write a book about your career as a roadie and then manager. I would buy that book in a heartbeat (that is if you want to do it)