[TAS] Pokemon Crystal, Silver and Yellow - Co-op Diploma in

[@OnlyTAS]

I just love when creator adds their commentary, extra bit of information makes watching more enjoyable

[@ItzWindyyy]

7 years in the making??? Holy shiz this is amazingbwork of art.

[@gabraltar7506]

Thank you!

[@tamel7014]

This is insane I can only imagine how much work this would take like wow. See you in 20 years for the 8 screen gen 3 diploma featuring the first ever colosseum bonus disk tas

[@numbug1234]

I choose to believe that Yellow just spent over an entire hour staring at their diploma in shock.

[@Ghi102]

The little graphs that show the Pokemon caught and Eevee's friendship value are really great for understanding how the runs are doing! Amazing addition!

[@robertm5110]

I’m so excited this is out!!! Ever since the Red and Blue co-op came out, I wondered if there would be a Gen 2 version and lo and behold, here it is!!! Amazing work!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@SamVanDam]

And, much like that one, the creator's video is a much better watch than the one on the TASvideos page. Due to the annotations and only one game's audio feed so it doesn't sound awful

[@shubhamvarshney8317]

"Yellow is in the process of killing 2 stones with one bird :)" Not only you have made it so informative, but also added on to the humour....Highly entertaining ! ❤️‍🔥👏

[@nosfrattirek5690]

I'm only an hour and twenty minutes in, but I have to say this is absolute insanity. I remember back in 2016, watching the original Red/Blue run and thinking it was extremely impressive, I was wondering what it would look like in GSC. Never in a million years would I have thought that someone would be crazy enough to even try, let alone actually do it. I'm even learning a couple new things about these games. The subtitles are a little poorly timed (and don't stay on screen long enough when watching at x2 speed) but other than that, this is going straight to my favorites. THIS is what deserves millions of views within days of posting, not the typical nonsense like "omg i unboxed a thing!!11"

[@gabraltar7506]

massive thanks :) and yeah tbh, the subtitles prolly could have been better. There's a link to a lua in the submissions page where you can read all of them manually

[@IAmNotAFunguy]

Wow! I can't believe I frittered away an ENTIRE Sunday watching this--AND I was entertained the entire time! I can't wait for Gen 3 Co-op Diploma in a few more years!

[@SaveTheSeaSponges]

The best video on the internet, the amount of work that was put in, the commentary and even little things like nicknaming the first letter of Pokémon when it doesn’t lose time it all comes together to make an amazing experience

[@Think_4_Yourself]

In fifth grade, a guy on my school bus offered to take our gameboys and catch lugia for us overnight before the next day. I'd like to think of him doing this for three kids at the same time and playing behind this video... Hyper efficient dude

[@WhyCatsCantFly]

so much effort! This is so amazing, And I'm glad that it popped into my recommended!

[@showtimeginge881]

I like how right at the end the diplomas spell GAB.

[@CowardEdd]

After watching this over a week, astounding work. Really entertaining and really impressive.

[@xujhan]

Having completed a (much smaller) TAS of my own, I have some idea of just how much planning and effort must have gone into this. What a wonderful piece of art, thank you for sharing it with us!

[@leftysheppey]

It's BOF man

[@xujhan]

That's me!

[@gijsswennen9666]

This is insane. I can't believe someone actually did this. I was imagining a lot how this TAS would look like after watching the Red/Blue one. After 2,5 hours it has exceeded all my expectations and looking forward to the coming hours! Gen 2 is my favourite generation!

[@SuperBobbis]

I've only made it ~20 minutes into the video and I'm already hooked, after I've done stuff around the house and done some errands I will 100% finish this and send it to everyone I know who likes Pokemon. This is amazing, I love the dedication, you've done a great job.

[@diddyknux]

I got so excited when I stumbled upon this. I love that old Blue/Red Pokedex TAS, so seeing this one inspired by it is gonna be a blast... A blast that takes nearly 7 hours, but a blast, nonetheless. 😁 Its also cool that it features the Gen 1 game not used in that TAS(even if it is more for speed purposes)

[@mylesfuqua9227]

This is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.

[@Christophee1987]

I've seen the Red-Blue version twice and absolutely love it, so I was really excited to see this existed. I love the effort you've put into it, and the annotations are both very informative and entertaining too. Great work.

[@autumnonawhim]

These annotations are so nice!

[@coolnath99]

this is really entertaining.

[@gabraltar7506]

thanks

[@cj_skywalker]

I find it hilarious that Yellow is dragging around a dead Pikachu's carcass. XD

[@tStevester83]

20:13 I'm just imagining Yellow just punching Pikachu's corpse with a potion yelling at it to get up while the lady standing next to yellow is like "IT WON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT. IT WON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT. IT WON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT. PLEASE STOP THAT"

[@Auride]

4:51:35 Chinchou's Silver sprite looks so goofy. Thank you for this TAS!

[@Skarfar90]

First off. Amazing work done on the video. Three games at the same time requires a lot of work to be done, so hats off to you for that. But there are still two that are missing, although glitches are needed to capture them. #151 - Mew - Not too hard to obtain. Can be done by using the "TrainerFly glitch" in any of the Gen.1 games #251 - Celebi - Much more difficult to obtain, but it can be done by using the Coin Case to obtain a GS Ball.

[@ItzWindyyy]

This is glitchless run which is why

[@Skarfar90]

@@ItzWindyyy Gotcha.

[@0ldchum469]

Can't believe I watched all of it, still loving all the Gen2 music. Shout out to the commentary and my man talk about the pollution in Pokemon hahahaa

[@Espik_23]

This is unbelievable. You are an absolute master!

[@newrallyxeviousgamer]

“Since Pikachu sucks” god damn.

[@cjmorgs]

2 hours in and absolutely in love with this run!

[@gabraltar7506]

Thank you!

[@TheLeftWolf]

Eevees art in Pokemon yellow was really cute

[@joshualeonardus7673]

God damn 7 years?? Great job man

[@kaygratv]

This is seriously incredible.

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

Yo!!! I was a huge fan of the original, can't wait to see this :)

[@CaioXG002]

Holy crap, this is awesome! Just to be clear, is this like three separate TASes playing at the same time or it also happens to be same input file for all three games? It's awesome enough to route a co-op from three games like this, so I'm imagining this isn't the case, but then again, I know TASers are all insanely good at their stuff, so, not impossible. Sometimes I see protagonists going opposite directions in the games, made me imagine this isn't same input file, but it's hard to know for sure (it's a grind based game after all, press up while one game has the character going down, then press down while the other game has the character going up, done, one input file now move the characters at different directions, easy enough)

[@gabraltar7506]

Three seperate TASes, yes. All three games use different inputs. Theyre part of the same file but the inputs for each game are differentiated (P1 Up, P2 Up, etc)

[@bathbomber]

I find it hilarious that Lugia is just an HM slave

[@rixuko2218]

amazing doesnt begin to explain it.

[@fehzorz]

This is amazing! What's next? I'm thinking Gen 5 as all the games are on the DS. Generation 5's EXP formula might make it easier too. Looking at Bulbapedia seems like you need at least 7 games though - Diamond (Stunky), Pearl (Glameow), HeartGold or Soulsilver, Black (Tornadus), White (Thundurus), Black 2 (Regice), White 2 (Registeel).

[@TheInvshika]

This guy just casually getting Entei and Suicune on the same route

[@WyvernLP]

man, I remember when I first complexed the pokedex in pokemon yellow back when I was thirteen years old. I became one pissed off kid when the reward was just a congratulations screen.

[@griffin8762]

Incredible video!!

[@Wobmiar]

Here's a little feedback: I usually use subtitles to know where to put my focus at certain moments. Meaning that if your subtitle is "What Silver just did is..." I probably missed it. I would suggest the approach "What Silver will do is..." which would let me acknowledge the subtitle and see what it is about without needing to rewind ;) tldr: Put the subtitles earlier :P

[@gabraltar7506]

that is a good point. some of the things later in the run require a lot of explanation and subtitles so I put the subtitles a decent bit earlier. still, you're right, I prolly should have put all od the subtitles earlier

[@Wobmiar]

@@gabraltar7506 No worries, you'll know for next time. It's very entertaining still ^^ I felt like commenting because I missed like 3 things in a row, and the last thing was Withney's Clefairy selfdestruct ^^ I read "This is a swag way to defeat Clefairy" and I look at the screen and Clefairy was already dead, so I needed to rewind lol

[@AnimeFanX11]

@@gabraltar7506 Btw, is there somewhere we can read all the annotations at once? I enjoyed it but glance away sometimes when watching and didnt want to miss anything.

[@gabraltar7506]

@@AnimeFanX11 check the submission page, I added a link to a pastebin that has the code for the lua annotations

[@AnimeFanX11]

@@gabraltar7506 Ty. Any chance of R/S/E or LG/FR versions of this one day btw?

[@OneColdRepublican]

I feel like a God peering from the 4th dimension

[@Martyste]

"Huh? I stopped evolving!" was what got me

[@Ghi102]

Amazing run! I wonder how long a Living Dex run would take. Just the amount of resets would get annoying I bet

[@alecrutz956]

I think one of my favorite things is pokemon yellow around 3:02:00 where it just lines up sevens OVER AND OVER

[@dixienormous2101]

Amazing

[@Rmuda]

1:04:50 I was a bit surprised to see Yellow bypass the Ghost Marowak with a Doll. Having looked into it, I'm guessing you felt justified in using it because the main category of Gen 1 Any% Glitchless allows it too? I'm not gonna be one of those guys who cries about the semantics, especially with how fascinating and stellar this run is. Just found it interesting from a somewhat outside perspective on Pokemon speedruns.

[@gabraltar7506]

it's somewhat controversial but it's generally considered to not be a glitch cause the pokedoll still works the way it was intended to, it's just being used in a place the devs might not have thought of. plus, leaked patch notes revealed that the devs were actually aware of this when developing Yellow and decided not to fix it

[@Rmuda]

@@gabraltar7506 That's actually really interesting! Thanks for responding.

[@zuils]

I always imagine when someone would do one of these. Hella impressive work man! I’m assuming you didn’t do instant text because of rng manip nightmare?

[@gabraltar7506]

instant text isn't in Yellow, it's only in Red/Blue

[@zuils]

@@gabraltar7506 damn they patched that out but not the pokedoll. I’m assuming it was discovered way later

[@gabraltar7506]

@@zuils Leaked patch notes actually revealed that they were aware of pokedoll skip when developing yellow but deemed it to not be a glitch and decided to not fix it. That's partly the reason why it's allowed in gen 1 glitchless speedruns

[@zuils]

@@gabraltar7506 DAMN

[@Seth_Hezekiah]

I need a version of this where the words are spoken by someone. I don't need a full commentary, just having the audio tell me what the words say would make this way more watchable for me in the background.

[@snoozbuster]

2:37:23 it would have been nice to get a little more explanation of what makes the manipulations hard and what actions the tas is taking ingame to manipulate rng. Surely it’s not 0-time to manip it most of the time right? Or it has to be set up well in advance? The repeated battle and encounter rng manipulation is something I’m sure a lot of time went into but it’s hard to appreciate it without understanding more of how it’s done.

[@golderzoa]

pretty cool that FR/LG's slots work similarly to RBY not quite the same but this TAS confirms that thanks! do you happen to know how GSC's Slots Work?

[@gabraltar7506]

it determines a bias symbol after you select your coins, which ends up being the symbol you can win. for reference, in normal mode, there is only a 2/256 chance for the bias symbol to be 7 (3/256 chance in lucky mode). the game will then scroll the wheel more or less if it wants you to win or not (and also uses golem or chansey events as well) you also only have an around 25% chance to keep the bias symbol as 7 after each win.

[@golderzoa]

@@gabraltar7506 thanks for the information.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

awesome

[@isaacthered]

Could you have used Yellow's wait time at the end to teach Dragonite a move that could do neutral damage on the Vaporeon and Noctowl you fight later?

[@ItzWindyyy]

Silver was the last to finish

[@coolnath99]

i see this tas is now on TASvideos channel too but a different layout

[@PikalaxALT]

6:53 more like catching two birds with one ball

[@XelnasTV]

hey RRLAT boss person here,,, can we like show this off on the twitch channel this thing is beautiful T.,T

[@gabraltar7506]

sure go ahead :)

[@cj_skywalker]

249 for Gen 2 and 150 for Gen 1. It's not 100%, but we can forgive them because Mew and Celebi aren't available in game, at least not in the original software. (The Virtual Console version of Crystal edited the GS Ball event so it would happen after you beat the Elite 4 instead of using a phone code, so these people can get a free Celebi. Mew, sadly, would require the Mew Glitch and this is glitchless. ;))

[@thiagorosemberg]

It would be nice if you make it available to all of us, I mean the pokemons, to play with newer games

[@robertm5110]

Can you imagine this with Gen 3? Seven screens at once for Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, Fire Red, Leaf Green, Colosseum, and XD. Ruby and Sapphire would need 381 Pokémon (all except Mythicals and Chikorita due to game error). Emerald, Fire Red, and Leaf Green would need 380 (all except Mythicals, Lugia, and Ho-oh). Colosseum and XD would purely be to help the others complete their dexes giving Ruby and Sapphire Ho-oh and Lugia as well as Johto starters that take way too long to get just from Emerald.

[@gabraltar7506]

if I did this with gen 3, there's no way i'm doing it for the national dex. There's still a diploma for regional dex in both RS and FRLG. I have planned routes for both versions but I can't work on it yet cause linking isn't out for bizhawk

[@robertm5110]

@@gabraltar7506 that would still be amazing! For the routing, do you have in mind using FR and LG to trade some Kanto mons in Hoenn’s Pokédex or would that be inefficient with Hoenn being able to catch them in their own games?

[@gabraltar7506]

@@robertm5110 I would rather do these kinds of TASes with the minimum amount of games required so I wouldn't use FRLG with RS

[@robertm5110]

@@gabraltar7506 gotcha makes sense. Cool well until it becomes doable for Gen 3, take pride in your excellent work here and relax

[@kanrakucheese]

IIRC, Ruby OR Sapphire can be skipped. Still absurd. Especially since for this kind of thing you'll want to have a Japanese Ruby or Sapphire thrown in the mix to add Celebi from the JP Colo bonus disc (Gen 3 actually does support cross region trades), have to do the Mt. Battle challenge for Ho-Oh, and there's a *lot* of breeding involved.

[@envy8228]

I'm curious, what would it take to make a Gen 3 coop diploma? For just tbe regional dex, it would just be Ruby and Sapphire, but would it be worth going for a national dex in Gen 3? Do the games even give you a diploma for the national dex?

[@gabraltar7506]

for both Ruby Sapphire and FRLG, you can get a diploma for each games respective regional dex. Im currently working on FRLG diploma and hope to get RS diploma done afterwards there is a diploma for national dex in all three games but you need like, 5 different games to have access to all of the pokes (ruby, sapphire, fire red, leaf green but not emerald still leaves you without several johto pokemon). there emulator for linking (gbahawk) isnt able to run that many games and even if it could, it would honestly be way way more work than even this tas (emerald would need to complete the hoenn dex *three times* for the johto starters) and would be very difficult to watch and keep track of all 5 games. so sadly, I dont think it will ever happen

[@gabraltar7506]

to elaborate further, you could make it more lenient with Pokemon XD, which has all of the hoenn mons missing from Emerald (thus eliminating the need for Ruby and Sapphire) and those two games alongside FRLG would be enough to complete the national dex. as a bonus, XD also has a way of getting the johto starters. However, having a game on a completely separate console than the gba games adds some extreme complications and I dont know if we'll ever have a tasable emulator that can link gamecube games with gba games, not to mention it is still at least 5 times more work than this tas

[@envy8228]

@@gabraltar7506 Wow, and I'd imagine it only gets more complicated with each generation to the point where it wouldn't be worth the effort to tas. Thanks for the answer!

[@b.clarenc9517]

Annotations are good but man do they disappear quickly. You essentially cannot look away for few seconds if you don't want to miss one. I'm constantly rewinding 5 seconds back to have enough time to read them.

[@kpc9602]

I still have a couple of Pokémon games (in Gameboy Color); the yellow and the silver, but the silver game’s acting up in a weirdly strange way, it’d be hard to explain, so here goes; the Pokémon Silver’s not letting me play it after installing the Nintendo 64 console controller, and it’s not even letting me save the file/s automatically on my Gameboy Advance😮‍💨

[@OncleS.A.M]

3:14:30 Entei then Suicine BACK TO BACK ? Jesus ... xD

[@123mooseboy]

This is insane! I love it extremely well done! I have a question though. Wouldnt it have been faster to have some pokemon like the starters stay the base stage until they were a level below their 3rd evolution or does the stage of evolution of a mon not matter to exp gain?

[@gabraltar7506]

no, exp gain remains the same regardless of evolution stage. that mechanic youre talking was (I think) a gen 6+ mechanic, it wasnt in gen 2.

[@leftysheppey]

Im sure the answer is yes, but all 3 games are going off the same inputs, right? Absolute insanity 😂

[@gabraltar7506]

no, they all have separate inputs

[@leftysheppey]

@gabraltar7506 ahh, ok. That's good. I thought you had actually just gone insane to complete that. No idea how you would do that. This is on my watch later list anyway :)

[@shallowman]

So... gen 3 catch 'em all % in 10 years? 😅

[@bregrif19]

2:12:17 5:46:50

[@ChronoSquare]

so wait, is this one input for all three games, or three separate instances of inputs in parallel?

[@gabraltar7506]

three seperate inputs

[@ChronoSquare]

@@gabraltar7506 I started watching thinking it was the same input for all three, now I understand the meaning behind co-diploma better. I wonder how dodgy doing this run with a single set of inputs would be... bwahaha (kinda like that one beating Pokémon blind video)

[@zuils]

Is there a reason you didn’t go into red bar with Dragonair when yellow reset?

[@gabraltar7506]

I did eventually at the juggler 1 fight in koga's gym. I didnt do so earlier cause it would take too many extra turns or too much extra text involving recoil with take down for it to be worth it. Plus, I get two full heals later on (to set Cerulean tp point and the pkmn tower one) making red bar even less worth it

[@d007ization]

How long will I watch this before giving up and skipping to the part where we discover how to get mew in gen 2 (celebii too now that I think of it, I'm guessing you just have event keys somehow), good question, non-existent audience!

[@gabraltar7506]

Mew and Celebi are not obtained in this run, neither are required for diploma and both are impossible to get glitchless

[@dylanberger8701]

wouldnt a good use of yellows time be to rename all the pokemon to trade to reduce text scroll time?

[@ManIkWeet]

"No glitches are used" 1:04:54 I guess using a POKÉ DOLL to skip the unidentified ghost isn't considered a glitch :D

[@ryco9669]

Why would it be? The doll is acting exactly as it does in any encounter that isn't a trainer.

[@djdced]

Still don‘t understand how you catch them with normal Pokeball ? 🙃

[@Seth_Hezekiah]

Wait how do you fill the pokedex with only silver and crystal? Isn't there a gold exclusive poke?

[@gabraltar7506]

Only ones are Mankey and Primeape and both are available in Yellow (which we need either way for some kanto mons not in gen 2, which are the starters, Kabuto and Omanyte, legendary birds, and Mewtwo)

[@Seth_Hezekiah]

Yea I knew that but I was sure there was a Gen 2 exclusive gold Mon.....hm. Wait how do you get both kabuto and omanyte? Do you quick reset as well in yellow?

[@gabraltar7506]

@@Seth_Hezekiah yes, yellow dashes to cinnabar to revive Kabuto, trades it away, and resets for Omanyte. There are a couple of johto mons that are in Gold but not Silver (Spinarak line, Teddiursa line, Gligar, and Mantine) but all of them are available in Crystal so it's not a problem

[@Seth_Hezekiah]

@@gabraltar7506 man, I could have sworn there was but I guess not. Weird.

[@gabraltar7506]

@@Seth_Hezekiah you might have been mistaken for ruby/sapphire/emerald, where zangoose is only in ruby, lunatone is only in sapphire, and neither are in emerald

[@ddawgmcdawg213]

I’m curious why did you choose two Generation 2 games and 1 Generation 1 game. Wouldn’t it make more sense to do all three games in one generation like GSC instead of only S and C with G?

[@gabraltar7506]

a gen 1 game is absolutely required for certain gen 1 pokes that aren't in any gen 2 game (starters, kabuto and omanyte, legendary birds, mewtwo) I wanted to do this with the minimum amount of games required. Alongside the mandatory gen 1 game, I needed two gen 2 games minimum since none of the gen 2 games have every available gen 2 poke. Any combination of the gsc games would have worked since none of the gen 2 pokes are exclusive to one game.

[@ddawgmcdawg213]

@@gabraltar7506 Okay, thanks for the response.

[@lisamariefan]

Hey, am I imagining things or does it occasionally look like the character is moving twice as fast on foot?

[@ItzWindyyy]

Bike?

[@taitaylor86]

either I missed it or you didn't beat red.

[@ItzWindyyy]

Red battle isnt needed for this speedrun as its not any%

[@IBeforeAExceptAfterK]

Why didn't you have Yellow get the stone evolutions out of the way while it was waiting to trade with Silver/Crystal?

[@gabraltar7506]

it doesnt ultimately end up mattering cause Yellow finishes way before the others do I could have done it to make Yellow finish faster but it wouldnt change the end time really

[@IBeforeAExceptAfterK]

I figured that was probably the reason, but it still feels wrong not to try to finish each game as fast as possible. It gives the impression that there might be other places where you could've saved time.

[@AwesomeHairo]

By the way, you heavily misuse commas.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

I hate the rock tunnel lol

[@WhoIsPopsDiaz]

4:20:30 is when every game is at some point in their endgame. Mostly keeping a record for myself when I come back to this one lol Also. 2:55:26 is the start to the Lugia quest. Everything else major is after endgame from what I saw

[@token2222]

Where Is Mew?

[@ryco9669]

Event exclusives are not required for the diplomas

[@coolnath99]

is this a new tas?

[@gabraltar7506]

yes. was submitted to tasvideos.org recently and awiting review

[@sadriposting]

Bro, why? Arcanine is cool to catch but all that work for that? I could had traded it with you

[@ItzWindyyy]

Yellow provides all fire stones Silver for thunder Crystal for water & leaf stones The latter 2 use held items to trade over between em while

[@agentnorth2758]

How did you get Poke Balls to essentiallu be Master Balls?

[@joeldixton5627]

It's tool assisted so they are essentially allowed to reset the chances until they get lucky with pokeball or get a crit

[@AwesomeHairo]

Are the inputs shared?

[@gabraltar7506]

no, all three games use different inputs. they're part of the same file but each game has their input differentiated (P1 Up, P2 Up, etc)

[@PopcornMax179]

Now do all six 😂

[@MeNowDealWIthIt]

Why Crystal over Gold?

[@gabraltar7506]

Crystal has a lvl 40 larvitar in the game corner that isnt in Gold/Silver, also has Weezing and Granbull in the wild, which neither Gold/Silver have

[@itsplebsonplebson4482]

is there anyway to access the save files of the separate games after running this ?

[@Alexito443]

Me dad home 7:21

[@TheFosterchris1988]

clearly you have a hack on the Yellow NOBODY hits crits and takes out Brock with Gust like that straight cheat...done at the point yellow got boulder badge. lame mankey can beat brock you dont need to cheat.

[@ryco9669]

Inputs are done to nudge the random number generator to roll numbers that result in you getting critical hits when you want them and the opponent to miss. In gen 1, because the check for accuracy is to pick a number between 0 and 255 and see if the result is "less than" 255*Accuracy and not "less than or equal to", even moves that should be 100% have a 1/256 chance of failing. Save states, memory viewer, and scripting are used to know when these moments will happen.