Type 99 China's New Tank Leaked, What Does it Tell Us?

[@Taskandpurpose]

Hey spare parts army, here's where I post my hooah photos from Iraq: instagram.com/cappyarmy/ Here's where I tweet my deepest darkest thoughts: twitter.com/Cappyarmy

[@Annae_xs]

@@trumanhw please.... use.... less..... dots........?

[@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204]

Execution date tommorow

[@misonipeter4377]

Do a video on the latest light battle tank that will be entering production next year... How it fits to the U.S. fight doctrine etc...

[@Excommunicated-ei1ep]

Looks like a Old British Centurion Tank, perhaps the CCP are influenced by the Israeli Upgraded Centurion’s?

[@Fish-ub3wn]

wow a c&c red alert cutscene... man, you are one cultured snvbtch XD

[@ALSPEHEIR]

The funny part is that the same happened with both France and Australia. A French guy uploaded the schematics of the french tank turret to prove it could turn faster than it happened in the game of World of Tanks and an Australian guy posted on 4chan the entire blueprints of their newest submarine but nobody opened the link and just called OP "fake and gay".

[@Oddball_E8]

Don't forget the first leak of War Thunder... British guy leaking the armor values of the Challenger 2 to convince the devs that they were wrong in-game.

[@bernadmanny]

The joke goes even further then that, Australia decided to go with different subs completely, the spies must have been pissed when that happened

[@Channel-23s]

Now we just need the secret American super plane dlc leak

[@Sabrowsky]

its frightening that I can't tell if this is true or a shitpost

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

@@Sabrowsky Nah its true. But I'm sitting here wondering if the DoD officers only watch _"ironically"_

[@lorax8172]

The War Thunder military intelligence is unparalleled, how are they not hired by DOD?

[@Jake-dh9qk]

DOD works for gaijin

[@Reticulosis]

I think they are Belarusian, if Belarus were not lead by an incompetent puppet I’d actually worry.

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

Because they'd leak their plans, too. The Leclerc and Challenger 2 both had classified schematics leaked on those forums.

[@mitanni0]

Maybe they are. Who knows ;-)

[@falkov2447]

War Thunder players have a Russian hacker button on their desks at all times

[@majo3488]

I am a War Thunder player. This is the fifth leak. There were two leaks about the Tiger attack and utility helicopter, the Challys armor, the Leclercs turret traverse and now ZTZ-99As round. The best is: The leaked penetration data isn't even implemented in game because the dev Gaijin now can't do it anymore without looking bad to the MOD of several states.

[@davidty2006]

War thunder top tier arguments are getting crazy. can't wait for them to add the F35.

[@majo3488]

@@davidty2006 If i would have some documents that wouldn't risk my live or the lives of people that I value more I would upload them anywhere else and then cite them in forum.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

wasn't there two Challenger leaks?

[@robonator2945]

I've always wondered how that's handled. I mean, like, surely there is a time frame, right? Like, sure, they don't want to encourage leakers so they won't just use leaked data, but at the same time after it's been a couple years and the actual specs of the technology is just publicly known, does the game just keep using wrong information because "well technically it was first discovered by someone leaking it here"?

[@cathoderay305]

Most people never consider the usefulness of photographic intelligence. Take the bolt on ERA panels - the size of the bolt holes visible (4 per panel) gives an indication of bolt diameter and this gives an idea regarding the relative tensile strength of those bolts which, in turn, allows you to estimate the maximum load that they are capable of supporting on a moving tank, which allows you to work out the maximum weight or mass of each panel and estimate the amount of explosive that each could theoretically carry, which allows you to determine exactly how effective each panel is when triggered and possibly the speed at which they detonate, which allows you to determine what is required to defeat them. Whew! The dimensions of the roadwheels also help here, because they help in estimating the maximum weight or mass of the tank which tells you something about its mobility, where it can travel on its tracks or by truck, which bridges it can use, etc., The videos help a lot too.

[@holmiumh]

I can't help but start to believe that War Thunder is a platform specifically designed to acquire classified information on military equipment.

[@bruhism173]

New theory

[@slslbbn4096]

The irony of our propaganda is that the Chinese are both war mongers and yet their equipment/military is criticized for being not battle tested. Any smartass out there would easily pick out this contradiction, but for our blinded sheeple in America - we swallow such propaganda whole

[@abdullahcaneli1574]

Wargaming and gaijin are planning something....im sure

[@richardlee9825]

Anything is possible these days.

[@scotthughes7440]

even though 99.99% of the vehicles are old and not classified??

[@benjones1717]

It must be such a hassle designing a realistic computer game then having the players constantly leak state secrets just to demand you fix the stats of the units.

[@xavierzaxavier5873]

And if the game devs actually rework the game it be so much awesome....

[@williamyoung9401]

C&C Red Alert 4 incoming, lol... (7:37)

[@chrismason6857]

I can just imagine the arguments on game forums. A Chinese player finally lost his shit and so leaked state secrets. He may have won the argument but he now has a future of a slow painful death. I just hope it was worth it.

[@elultimo102]

Model makers are seemingly smart guys. There was a Russian bomber, that had never had pics with its gear down. The model-makers guessed on the configuration---they were proved to be correct.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

@@chrismason6857 He'll be sent to no particular place at all, where nothing will happen to his internal organs. 👀

[@terencewilliamhull3166]

Back in the 90's I was in Israel. I was talking to an Israeli tank driver. I mentioned the fact that the Israeli Merkava was the most crew survivable tank because of it's internal fire extinguishers activated when a shell penetrates (what's the military term for this). He was shocked and asked 'how do you know this'? I told him I used to make plastic model kits and this information was included in the kits instructions. Not as serious as the leaked info on the new Chinese due to a video game, but, it happened in the past.

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

How do you know it wasn't bullshit made up by a model kit? I'm vaguely aware that a lot of the weirdness of modern naming conventions come from them.

[@maggiejetson7904]

I'm sure all these infos are leaked way before they made it into games and models. Nations pay top dollar to spy on each other.

[@piotrd.4850]

@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 well, it makes sense and it hit. Same thing is for most western tanks and taught in armour equivalent of basic.

[@collander7766]

I don't think that's a "leak" I think that's probably just non-classified tank information being featured on a toy.

[@milferdjones2573]

Jane's Fighting Ships has been famous for having secret specs on military ships for well over hundred years. I don't even know if still done but in past often more accurate than intelligence agencies. Humans suck at keeping secrets. Thus I'm glad I'm confirmed now on the world governments were hiding how little they knew about Unidentified Flying Objects. Although Phenomena a better term as the object actually flying not proven.

[@jacobmichie7102]

I was a tanker in 1st Tank Battalion just before being disbanded. We do have snorkels for the Abrams. We don't have one for the commander's hatch as far as I know. But we had one that was mounted on the exhaust and had a cord to the driver once you got onto the beach. We had water ops in Pendleton. They were supposed to be waterproof with hatches closed. "Supposed to be".

[@mr.dakkadakka2845]

"If I had a nickel every time someone released classified military documents to a war thunder forum I'd have three. Which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened three times." Also best part about the stuff that's been leaked is the game developers can't use any of it and won't.

[@Kevin-fj5oe]

Lol, they add the rounds.

[@abhinavchandra8314]

It actually happened 6 times. I don’t know if every time it was documents, but classified info was leaked 6 times

[@somethinglikethat2176]

I think it's up to six times now.

[@peacockonaporch2998]

@@somethinglikethat2176 yeah, it’s happened with the eurocopter tiger two times

[@mr.dakkadakka2845]

@@somethinglikethat2176 what are the other ones, there's this one, the chally 2 and the f16

[@TechnoMinarchist]

At this point War Thunder is a more effective espionage program than anything the CIA has going.

[@vyros.3234]

War Thunder players leaking classified documents to win an online argument moment

[@FELTFELT]

awful game but interesting player base

[@MardukTheSunGodInsideMe]

CIA: Good.. good...

[@cwu4591]

@@FELTFELT factual statement

[@bluebox87059]

The CIA just doesn't post their findings on the internet. We've got no idea what the CIA knows. Hell, they only recently told us they knew Russia would invade Ukraine before it happened.

[@SergeantKillGore]

Just imagine some Pentagon official hearing about these classified documents from his kid who plays War Thunder and him sprinting to the computer to screenshot them before they get deleted lol

[@Claymann71]

MAIL CALL!

[@G-Mastah-Fash]

The guy who leaked it was apparently a chinese tank commander. Emphasis on was.

[@nathanwong5644]

The drama here is the leak source claimed that he managed to get the brochure and even a piece of actual penetrating rod from XIANYU (literally translated into 'salty fish', which is a chinese equivalent to Ebay), and funny enough the saler said he got the live firing round from 'Laoxiang' (basically peasants) living close to places where PLA's conduct firing drill and casually get their hands on these unused pieces of classfied military equipment.. and the leaker defend himself stating that since these stuffs can be put on sale in a public platform why would they even be considered 'classified' to begin with lmao

[@ktobadz]

@@nathanwong5644 i doubt winnie the pooh will care about that

[@acecarpenter502]

@@G-Mastah-Fash also was alive

[@joeguy5989]

LOL, Your comedy has definitely improved! Thanks! This was awesome!

[@arthurmorgan2861]

he won the internet argument, dude is a hero in my eyes

[@longyu9336]

He is going to get a "Hero of the People's Republic of China" medal soon for his success.

[@HarrDarr]

an hero*

[@External2737]

One doesn't win many internet arguments, so that is a win.

[@willgallaher501]

Remember kids, winning is all that matters and it's only treason if you get caught.

[@BadAnimeDecisions]

I love when people leak classified info to win an internet argument 😂

[@TechnoMinarchist]

There's no greater euphoria than winning an internet argument.

[@DtWolfwood]

He won his argument to 🤣

[@TheRibbonRed]

@@DtWolfwood and thanks to him, he won't win it for long.

[@SCH292]

World of Tanks has turn everybody into experts and turn many people into Russian bootlickers. Russian Bootlicker kid: In real life it won't be ONE ON ONE!(They are implying that in real life it will be 2+ T72 tanks or any Russian jet vs one Western Tank or one Western Jet).

[@bullzebub]

@@TheRibbonRed and this isnt even the first time

[@dieseltech810]

Former US Marine 1812 here. I speak from personal experience that the Abrams does in fact have have a snorkel for the engine. I have used the DWFK in training. I never used one in combat but they do exist.

[@odinsrensen7460]

Well, I hope that wasn't classified information.

[@dmacarthur5356]

@@odinsrensen7460 It isn't and wasn't a widespread modification.

[@nekopop8159]

Whoa the Abrams is a heavy armored submarine then

[@notoriousbig3k]

@@nekopop8159 yeah it can sink too ...

[@cletusspucklerstablejeaniu1059]

@@nekopop8159 ... or a reef.

[@AlexKall]

The info I've found on M1A2 Sep V3, is 66.8 tons which would be a difference of around 12 tons, not 18 tons. Perhaps you have gotten hold of Sep v4 weight? But 73 metric tons on an old platform sounds very heavy. Even at 66.8 tons it sounds like it's coming close to the limit without redesigning other parts of the tank?

[@yankee3875]

Dear Cappy, we here at the CCP are delighted to hear you have taken an interest in our superb tank designs and are thrilled you’ve shared it with the world. Please remain at your current location. An education squad is on its way to teach you more about our glorious military technology. Sincerely President Xinnie the Pooh

[@gehcontent5618]

Good work agent, +10 Social Credits for your service

[@silverstormrifleworks7080]

@Dagarteril +50 Social Credit for spotting illegal social credits

[@shresthsinha927]

@@silverstormrifleworks7080 +100 social credit for spotting goodwork and giving social credit.

[@Salaci]

-5000000 FICO score

[@vyros.3234]

-5000 social credits. Execution date confirmed.

[@randomka-52alligatorthatis34]

Here's a Fun Fact. Apparently there has been at least 7 or 8 leaks in the War Thunder Forums(at least from what I known or heard of). The most famous of this are the UK's most modern MBTs the Challenger 2 and France's Leclerc and at present the Type 99. The others are something that I personally unsure of such as allegedly an M1 Abrams armor package and a German Eurocopter Tiger(or maybe it was an entirely different line of Eurocopter I dunno). Remember Folks, crashing your countries Operational & National Security is definitely worth it in order to win an argument on the Internet!

[@zee9709]

i mean, that information deserve to be leak if some gamer can find that intel easily....

[@craggleshenanigans]

IIRC, War Thunder introduced the Abrams in-game just as the armor composition of its first-gen version was declassified, so people tend to confuse them together

[@honkhonk8009]

@@zee9709 Their not gamers. Their actual servicemembers for their respective countries LOL.

[@zee9709]

@@honkhonk8009 they play game wasn't they? Lol

[@derrickmeade4891]

@@zee9709 yes tho a gamer who is also privy to opsec and a gamer who only knows how to make pizza rolls are two different things to be fair

[@nagaykei6611]

I’m very convinced that the war thunder devs have a mole in every major military for the sole purpose of creating p2p vehicles

[@lucretius1111]

Love your content. Totally got me into nerding out over military hardware.

[@danysainz-gootenberg7809]

A few important aspects you missed out on. 1. The reverse gear is much faster than Soviet designs and matches western reverse speeds 2. It features neutral steering letting it turn faster in the spot, also unlike Soviet designs. 3.Reported but unconfirmed to have -7 to -8 degrees of gun depression making it more effective over ridge lines and defilades than Soviet and older Chinese counterparts. The only weakness seems to be the carousel style auto loader but differing tactics like you discussed can mostly degate this disadvantage such as only engaging at range. Would not be surprised if a version of the 99 or a new tank with a bustle style auto loader is introduced in the next 5-10 years. Edit: the type 15 light tank already uses a bustle style autoloader meaning that development of a 125mm version shouldn’t be too difficult.

[@Appletank8]

"strategy of keeping enemies as far away as possible" damn that's how I play strategy games too.

[@orkako]

Carousel is not a bad solution. It is very difficult to hit ammunition placed low on the floor. The problem with Russian tanks is that after the carousel the ammunition is everywhere else in the tank. Each armor penetration ignites one of the shells, which then ignites all the other shells including those in the carousel.

[@donaldmackerer9032]

​@@orkako as Napoleon once said, never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

[@stewpacalypse7104]

Still not as fast in reverse as a French tank.

[@KSmithwick1989]

@@orkako Additional new insensitive propellant would dramatically improve crew safety. As such propellant remains stable even after being hit. Thus preventing chain detonation of the magazine.

[@aaronpaul9188]

"Infantry out in front when facing enemy anti tank capabilities, something the russians didnt do in ukraine." They didnt to start, since they thought the ukranians werent going to fight. Once they realized they were in a real war, they starting applying their actual doctrine based on heavy firepower and abandoned armored spearheads.

[@garyp.7501]

Yep, now they do artillery first to rubble-ize the objective then send in the armor. Even so the Russian army isn't exactly doing all that well.

[@davidconnellan6875]

@@garyp.7501 yeah only in control of 20+% of the country and 70% of their heavy industry base.

[@aaronpaul9188]

@@garyp.7501 They are taking it slowly to avoid having isolated forward units. But they just won a massive victory in the east. Its not what we expected before the war started, but they clearly have the upper hand.

[@patricksullivan2261]

@@aaronpaul9188 Yes, when I take three to one casualty ratios I boast about how I have the upper hand..

[@XxTheGreatDestroyerx]

@@davidconnellan6875 the Russians control less of the country than they did 2 months ago. This is fact.

[@arthurneddysmith]

2:04 That "15•C" is a reference to the temperature in Celsius, not "+or- 15 degrees from the median error". The reference to Celsius is everywhere on that document.

[@nikolatasev4948]

Yes, 15 degrees error would be horribly inaccurate, making it unusable.

[@nyimdewan3353]

So what's the Celsius is supposed to mean?

[@gwho]

@@nyimdewan3353 it's the given conditions at which the main metric holds. kind of like how you say water boils at 100C, 1 atm. what is the 1 atm supposed to mean? it's the pressure at which the main metric, temperature, water boils 100C. At different pressures, the water boils at a different temperature.

[@germanher7528]

@@gwho Shazam!

[@AgentPrimus]

2:54 I'm sorry, did he say it can possibly go through up to 960MM OF STEEL? Ik it may just be theoretical, but jesus christ

[@lachychops2]

That accuracy stat isnt 15 degrees - its that the test was completed at 15°C ambient. Air density affects ballistics and speed :)

[@MrMuel1205]

Yeah, that's what I figured. Hence the big ol' C.

[@jwickerszh]

Obviously, firing at plus or minus 15 degrees from where you aim is not something that would be called "accuracy" 😅

[@ruan13o]

Yeah, 15 degrees of accuracy would be only marginally better than aiming with your eyes closed!

[@lachychops2]

@@ruan13o fuck that general direction and range

[@kala1780]

@@ruan13o Especially when the degrees are in Celcius, you know at a temparature scale.

[@alanmcgowan3457]

The "Accuracy" is not +/- 15°, the +15°C is "plus 15 degrees Celsius" meaning the temperature at the test - like the Muzzle velocity is 1,760 m/s @ +15°C. The accuracy, velocity and armour penetration will differ with an increase/decrease of temperature.

[@tongxia6557]

你们不许看😭👊不许看不许看😭🤜

[@germanher7528]

Exactly, I was like wtf dude look at the C!!!

[@-Lazy]

Correct!

[@tomcatkewell]

🤣🤣🤣the second line of Chinese characters on that paper was "Speak Use Type Meal: ZTZ....ZT99A Type Lord Fit Rule Party" by word to word which was nonsense🤣 But I could tell the original words the writer was saying before the Google translate by pronunciation and it was "话（hua）用=合（he）用=Fit for use"，“式餐（can）=式=type + 产（chan）=Produce (verb)” ，“主就(jiu)理(li)=主战（zhan）=main battle” “党(dang)= 坦克(tan ke)=tank”. (btw that sounds like a heavy Japanese pronunciation way in English, they pronouncing Jew as Julie and that's why "Zhu Zhan Tan Ke" would became "Zhu ZhuLi Dang" )

[@tomcatkewell]

combine would be "Fit for use type product: bla bla bla... type main battle tank"

[@DrownedInExile]

Wait what? A gamer leaked classified Chinese military tech to win a forum argument??? What a crazy world we live in!

[@毛凌峰-y3l]

It happened six timese last year.From british to German to china.

[@davidty2006]

@@毛凌峰-y3l Yeah at this rate whatever tank is in war thunder isn't safe.

[@ReySchultz121]

@China Life 20 year olds get bored in the barracks. Add some corruption & the rest is history.

[@banegas0411]

@China Life because many gamers are/were in the military

[@smiley7399]

@@davidty2006 Classified no more

[@steveriley1000]

The replica tank is probably going to be used in op training. We did it in the 80s with replica tanks from Russia , my guess it’s going to be our next big training for against China

[@redrn2332]

Another correction would be that the so called "Type 99 A2" is not a real specification. Based on Chinese naming schemes, variants of military equipment would use the next alphabet rather than numeber. So "Type 99 B" would be the improved version of "Type 99 A", just like the Type 96A and Type 96B. Also, Type 99 A is the latest version and there is no improved version published so far.

[@obsidianstatue]

Well, it's not entirely correct, take the Type 052DL destroyer for example. It's part of the 052D class (evolved from 052C) but due to it only have elongated hull and a new long range search radar as an upgrade, it did not get the 052E designation.

[@dicksontong6498]

@@obsidianstatue No.....052DL is longer for a bigger helicoper pad, usually, ABD refer as a very big upgrade in China, 052C and 052D look like a totally different thing, and J10 fighter, J10A, J10B, and J10C all very different, only from outlook tells alot.

[@MonsieurQuosant]

Should have said "Only in war thunder", where people leak military secrets to win argument

[@vicnighthorse]

Tanks, even in exercises scared the shit out of me. In the dark when friendly or OPFOR tanks passed even just close to me, I'd stand up to make sure they saw me. I am a bit claustrophobic so I didn't like being in tanks either. Yeah, I wasn't the greatest soldier. That was 30 years ago though. I am super brave now.

[@mustafacalkap26]

I think you were smart. I know nothing about military life but I would like to be seen by a 60 tons monster if I were near it

[@domdrty]

That's why grunts didn't sleep on the ground near us when attached to an armor company (this was before the combined units now).

[@hddun]

My Army career taught me best place -- "In the rear with the gear"...

[@mikehimes7944]

Dude, there's no fear like trying to put the grunt phone back in the box when the Abrams changes gears. The Japanese have back up cameras on their tanks, why don't we!?

[@hddun]

@@mikehimes7944 Maybe the DOD was gonna put in those cams but the details got leaked on War Thunder and "Game over man..." LOL!

[@derp3305]

You have my respect for having a video clip from Red Alert 3.

[@raptornomad1221]

One thing I've noticed is that Russian and Chinese tanks' suspension are just so much less smoother than Western MBTs. You can see how violently the chassis rocks after firing the main gun or just traversing and braking. You never see that in MBTs like the Challenger, Leos, Abrams, and Leclercs.

[@Oddball_E8]

That's because their guns are so stronk, comrade! (j/k)

[@coffeecat9854]

The T 72 has the smoothest suspension in current service world wide, have look at official specifications online

[@Kevin-fj5oe]

Ugh, heavy tank + good recoil systen

[@Oddball_E8]

​@@coffeecat9854 So... you're trying to tell us that a tank from the 1960's has "the smoothest suspension in current service world wide"... Sure...

[@coffeecat9854]

@@Oddball_E8 yes why would suspension age poorly? Russia was forty or fifty years ahead of western armies in terms of tank ergonomics and design

[@Jon.A.Scholt]

Tim Curry and Command & Conquer; bringing the nostalgia. Now all we need is the opening riff to C&C:Red Alert and we'll be good to go.

[@max-mr13]

2:04 The median error is < 0.25m x 0.25m acoording to the document you read out 15° but it is 15°C the temperature at which the testing was done.

[@longyu9336]

Is that very good or is that very bad? I guess enough to easily hit an enemy tank?

[@jeffgardner6696]

I believe that 15C is the temp on a Standard Day in aeronautical lingo, used as another commenter said, a reference point for calculations.

[@xmst5]

At 2:45 The document states that it can penetrate 680mm at 2km. Soon after you said that analysts believe it can go through about 960mm at 1km. An apfsds losing 280mm of penetration just from a difference of 1km makes no sense especially since you stated its muzzle velocity is 1760m/s.

[@donaldmackerer9032]

the Roman Republic before it became the Roman Empire used to copy military Technologies and tactics that they thought might be better than theirs and combine the best of all systems to add to their Legions. I think this is a wise policy that all modern military should follow. I think the Chinese are being smart like that and I hope that the American Military is too.

[@suibora]

problem is, who is better than the American military that they can copy? lmao

[@honkhonk8009]

The american military and chinese military are probably top tier, and easily are competitors. Both countries also realize that nationalism is retarded, and only put it up for politics and show.

[@sargonassarg4356]

@Watcher America didn't even have a rocket program prior to the capture of German scientists. The American rocket program was a continuation of the German rocket program.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

the roman empire did the same thing actually (for example copying and incorporating parthian cavalry tactics into existing roman doctrine, later adding Sarmatian cavalry tactics, later adding hunnic and gothic cavalry tactics, etc etc. in adition to their own innovations)

[@lupohutchington269]

Actually it happened with gunpowder. Uniforms. Rockets. Metalworks.

[@TheEpic55]

Keep up these great videos. Loving the amount of content you're pumping out lately. The editing style is awesome.

[@Roland14d]

Correction: 02:00 It would appear that the accuracy of 15°C refers to the performance at that temperature. Median represents the midpoint of the data, not the variation. So at 59°F half of all rounds will fire faster and half will fire slower than 1760 m/s. ex. rnds fired may be 1700, 1705, 1750, 1770, 1775, and 1776 m/s. the median is 1760 and the average is 1746. Easy mistake if you didn't have a Fanatical Prob & Stats Teacher in HS.

[@tomcatkewell]

No need for correction, the second line of Chinese characters on that paper was "Speak Use Type Meal: ZTZ....ZT99A Type Lord Fit Rule Party" by word to word which was nonsense🤣 But I could tell the original words the writer was saying before the Google translate by pronunciation and it was "话（hua）用=合（he）用=Fit for use"，“式餐（can）=式=type + 产（chan）=Produce (verb)” ，“主就(jiu)理(li)=主战（zhan）=main battle” “党(dang)= 坦克(tan ke)=tank”. (btw that sounds like a heavy Japanese pronunciation way in English, they pronouncing Jew as Julie and that's why "Zhu Zhan Tan Ke" would became "Zhu ZhuLi Dang" )

[@patrickbateman9887]

@12:10 "One hundred and fifty horsepower engine" My Cavalier has more than that! LOL

[@Jake-dh9qk]

Hey Task & Purpose one correction I'd like to make is the ending statement of Chinese tank not being tested in battle. There are actually exported type-96s used in the Sudanese civil war that saw the vehicle go up against T-72As and destroyed them without tanking any casualties. This engagement and entirety of the war is relatively unreported but there are some sparse articles that reported the events. The type 96s exported to Sudan had no ERA modifications on whereas the T-72As in service with the South Sudanese had ERA. This can be seen as a evidence for strong composite armor even in older Chinese tanks, but we don't know what ammunition the T-72s used though. It's just interesting to see Chinese tanks starting to over-take Soviet/Russian tanks in certain areas like technology and armor.

[@miraphycs7377]

yeah but the other side using the T-72 was trained by the Ukranians. Do you really trust tactics and training of the late 90s early 2000s Ukraine??

[@williamwhitney5266]

So just More Metal Coffins on the Battlefield for China...Cool

[@ccarroll4339]

You also need to consider crew training and doctrine, plus maintenance amd logistics. No disrespect to the Sudanese, but I don't know if they have the same scale of budget as China does which might degrade even the best designed vehicle performance on the battlefield.

[@Emilechen]

@@ccarroll4339 logistics and maintenance need many money, entier Russia has the same GDP as a Chinese southern province Guangdong, eand even a Chinese city has more GDP than Sudan, so it is hard to compare the performance,

[@tjoonatv2848]

Just a correction that the tanks used by Sudan were Type 85 II-M, less advanced than export 96.

[@theduke7539]

I love the fact that this is the 3rd time that a player in warthunder leaked classified tank documents just to win an argument. last year was the british challenger and a year before that was the leopard

[@chris10000]

leclerc documents were also leaked before

[@theduke7539]

@@chris10000 the only reason the abrams hasnt been leaked is because the US army puts gamers in comms and the armory. that and thats also probably the fastest way to disappear from your post. "Corporal who? Never heard of them"

[@Alex-hp8ew]

A french tank had the same happen too

[@theduke7539]

@CSO Class Supercarrier Halo The Fall Of Reach youre right, oh well, maybe the leopard 2 will be next year

[@theduke7539]

@CSO Class Supercarrier Halo The Fall Of Reach I doubt the abrams will get a leak, while a tanker in the US knows the dimensions inside and out, and they know the types of armor, anything classified theyd know is more capabilities like targeting and speeds. the armor designs arent even disclosed to tank crews, not even the factory in Lima OH knows how the pannels are made, they just show up ready to be assembled onto the rest of the tank.

[@kuri7154]

It's nice to be aware of the discrepancies between what the Chinese military says and the Chinese media says. The media would like to make outlandish speculations, inflate the capabilities and boast about it because their only objective is to produce contents most attractive to the Chinese audience. The military, if anything, would actually want to be careful when making a claim, and would sometimes even understate its capabilities. In the EN-speaking circles because of the language barrier, people usually just assume China is this monolithic block: "China says" "China thinks" while in reality the Chinese military, the MFA, the Chinese media, their objectives are not at all algined.

[@nvelsen1975]

Plus some people (mostly idiots who watch Fox News) think that China = Russia and PLA = Russian army. They're pretty much opposites. The Russian army is big as they can make it and eats up a huge chunk of the state's funds with the main objective to attack and subjugate all neighbours. The PLA is a small professional force to defend against Vietnam and slow down India or Russia while a general mobilisation can be effected. The PLA is also expected to start and run companies to provide its own budget. Which makes a lot of sense because looking back to when the anti-maoists seized power, China was a shambles. They needed a lot of money to develop and they needed it fast, but you can't get that if you're financing a huge army for some hypothetical big war, while with Tibet incorporated into China, you've defense-in-depth against both your peer adversaries. So a PLA capable of stomping on Vietnam, Taiwan invading, North Koreans invading and the small western neighbours like Kirgizistan, means all strategic needs are covered.

[@ganyucoconut]

im sorry but did someone put soviet design on a challenger 2 tes??? and western design on the t-90???? 0:39

[@kylep007]

You should do a video about Germany’s large military budget increase. Germany was the Cold War’s front line in Europe, but will they be able to compensate for decades of neglect?

[@TechnoMinarchist]

It won't make much of a difference. The budget means nothing when they have so few people willing to join the military.

[@combativeThinker]

Europe is finished.

[@silverhost9782]

@@TechnoMinarchist You can still have an effective military with low manpower, as long as the budget is high enough. See UK, maybe Canada etc

[@TechnoMinarchist]

@@silverhost9782 The UK and Canada can only get away with their tiny militaries because the US does the majority of the heavy lifting in any engagement they're involved in.

[@silverhost9782]

@@TechnoMinarchist ...The same would be true of Germany?

[@PferdeLasagne]

What if -> Hear me Out -> They leaked it a wrong data sheet on purpose, to look stronger .

[@johnwalsh4857]

Actually the first Chinese tanks where bought by Chinese warlords fighting their civil war in the 1920s. from the French and they were WW1 tanks. Chinese also bought and home made their own armored cars. and trains. in the 20s and 30s. later the KMT Chinese bought some PZ1 German tanks as well as Italian and British light tanks in the mid 1930s but many of these got destroyed in hte battle of Shanghai 1937. The Soviets gave the KMT Chinese a few hundred T-26 tanks during the war with Japan 1937-1945, a large number where lost in the battle of Kunlun pass 1940 , the majority were kept in the rear guarding the Chinese kMT capital at Kunming.

[@the-core-experience]

2:02 it says that the grouping of the shots are in a 0.25m x 0.25m square on 1000m.

[@callumsimmons6160]

I think you've missread the accuracy error on the spec sheet. (+15 degC) Is refering to ambient air temperature. Its whats called ISA day temp. Basically a standardised temperature at sea level for calculating aerodynamics. The error is the text that comes after it in meters. You'd quote the temperature you calculated speed and error at because it effects the aerodynamics of the round

[@lwty]

Good analysis. The penetration data 680mm is known to the public for several years (reported by state television channels) and it is not made by depleted uranium. Type 99A is a milestone for PLA. But they are still figuring out the optimal form of tanks for the future. And Type-15 is one effort in this exploration, which is several years earlier than MPF.

[@muyangcheng3874]

Check out the M8 AGS program, it's still a myth whether Type 15 can handle medium to heavy anti-tank weaponry from the front, unless the protection level of Type 15 is really as good as what Chinese keyboard analysts believe it's nothing new.....

[@Cecil97]

Lol maybe they have the magical era blocks that stop apfsds rounds in warthunder

[@lwty]

@@muyangcheng3874 You would not expect very good hard protection on a 35-ton tank, which is not its intended purpose. Type-15 has reasonable trade-offs over its design purpose. M8 has been cancelled and its purpose are quite different with Type-15. MPF serves a much more similar role.

[@lwty]

@@Cecil97 If heavy tanks could be penetrated one way or another (with wide spread of anti tank missile), there could be different ways to protect the tank other than just adding weight.

[@khiem1939]

NO matter how GREAT it is "supposed" to be, it has ONE major fault, it's Made in China!

[@toolbaggers]

15°C is the temperature of the test conditions for which the data is relevant for. It is not MOA accuracy numbers. 15°C means the tests were conducted when it was 59°F.

[@kurtisb100]

Or the test data collected at another temperature was corrected to STP for comparison purposes.

[@pashapasovski5860]

15% is the angle of gun firing at given velocity !

[@Bialy_1]

​@@pashapasovski5860 No... it is the speed of the projectile that was able to achieve this speed in the given temperature. Colder=most likely slower burning and the final speed at the end of the barrel will be lower. Warmer propelant will gonna burn faster and most likely the projectile gonna also move faster at the end of the barrel.

[@pashapasovski5860]

@@Bialy_1 OK,the temperature inside the tank is hardly 15°C ,they have climate control AC,but the angle of the gun,is what really influences the speed of projection! You don't aim straight at O°,because it gun is always elevated when aiming at a distance! You can even see tanks moving on roads with slight elevation, but yeah, you must be right, I didn't spend 15 months as a part of tank brigade, so what do I know!

[@michaelblacktree]

I was going to say, a 15 degree spread is pretty terrible accuracy.

[@gauravdhar5482]

At 0:37 challenger tank mentioned as soviet designed tank and T90 is mentioned as western designed tank..! That's a little mistake happened

[@marcajustice]

Nailed it. also that bit about the gaming forum cracked me up because it's exactly how i'd imagine leaks happening; by someone on a mission to prove themselves.

[@wolfrainexxx]

I mean... what's China going to do, say "That's not the real specs"? They can't even argue against the information, because doing so will just validate that it's real.

[@saltmerchant749]

Ah yes, Tank simulation games, the ultimate classified technical specs bait.

[@williamwhitney5266]

Yeah I know right...LoL Laughable Never take your Info from a Game

[@romanbilan8236]

Did you flip the western and soviet tank at 0:38?

[@omnisciency]

Challenger 2, my favorite soviet tank. Only true capitalists use T-90s

[@BritishCapy]

@@omnisciency same about the challenger 2

[@raymondstagle5657]

0:38 Am I tripping or what? Isn't the "western design" a T90A and the "Soviet one" a challenger 2?

[@TheArklyte]

The best description of ZTZ99A so far is "T-80U tried to brake check Leopard 2A4".

[@muhammadsingh5459]

canyou say more clear please ,cant get its meaning

[@SlappyTheElf]

One disadvantage with that T72 derived auto loader is that the ammo is much more likely to cook off when penetrated massively reducing crew survivability, which in any protracted conflict will mean a big reduction in skilled tank crews. The Russians had very few tank aces during ww2 due to the low survivability of T34 crews.

[@harrisn3693]

That is IF you can reach it in a defensive force

[@Dixby_Floppin]

@@harrisn3693 do you mean if you can reach the t72 whilst it’s on the defensive? Hulled down and bagged?

[@markrandall3747]

This is why the Abrams have ballistic panels between the crew and the ammo. Plus blow-out panels that allow cook-offs to vent outside of the vehicle.

[@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger]

All valuable points, counterpoint: the do you think the Chinese Government gives a flying duck about the survivability of their soldiers?

[@Dixby_Floppin]

@@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger no that’s why they’ll lose

[@troyraymund8256]

Funfact: war thunder players also leaked classified information about the Challenger 2 MBT and the French Le clerc MBT before this incident

[@JohnnyD-u7]

Dude is hilarious 😂😂😂👍🏻very informative!!!!

[@FrankConforti]

Hey Cappy, I like your more neutral and open-minded approach to the subject of your videos. We have enough ‘ merica is the best! is the best! The arms race is literally that, a race. Sit back on your laurels and you are toast. Assess your adversary based on as much information as you can find, not just the vehicle. You did that very well in this video. Bravo! And keep them coming!

[@vasky22]

I'd agree, and from a pure systems capability, it was a good review. But you also have to analyse the crew's training and experience (gunnery, maneuver, fieldcraft, mindset (no conscripts)), ability to conduct maintenance (crew and forward support), and the unit's ability to keep the formation resupplied (fuel, ammo, food). From that perspective, 'Merica!

[@sandwich5344]

Hell yeah! My favorite way to spend the day, thanks for the upload

[@rm8874]

Just a heads up your videos are kinda quiet even at max volume whereas other channels dont have this issue for me. Noticed this the last few videos you uploaded. Just thought Id mention it, thanks for putting up videos that help explain military happenings and developments in a way non military people can follow!

[@pottierkurt1702]

You on the stairs next to Winnie the pooh. Peak comedy 🤣

[@SpaceMonkeyBoi]

13:37 While I agree with this statement for most Chinese products and questionable construction methods, but I really don't think this is the case for their military. What you use for yourself is going to be a much better quality that what you sell to others. Corruption would still be a problem, but China is very different from Russia.

[@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204]

No it's not they still copy their Jets and Navy from russia😂😂imagine what will it do against modern army Such as USA lmai stop hyping chinese

[@assertivekarma1909]

The question with such autacracies is the degree they value individual human lives, it may not always be the best cost effective strategy, but democracies usually put higher value on protecting personnel.

[@Fred_the_1996]

@@assertivekarma1909 they're not stupid, I'm sure they've realized that it's worth it to spend more money to protect the soldiers because of their experience

[@assertivekarma1909]

@@Fred_the_1996 It's not a matter of intelligence, in a full blown war it might be better to accept loss of soldiers to win a war, but democracies often value individuals more because of different forms of accountability. How one child policy plays into this calculation for CCP leaders I don't know.

[@kurousagi8155]

I actually don’t agree that the idea that countries use better equipment than what they sell to others. Countries use the equipment that fits the needs of their troops at the lowest price possible.

[@syedabishosainrizvi7817]

16:56 that is definitely a WRONG generalization (not necessarily a wrong statement) if a country just wants to be a regional power, even if just a defensive one, but has diverse geography, that's plenty reason to look for that flexibility. Here in Pakistan we have barren mountains and rocky deserts in the west, green mountains and glaciers in the north, plains criss crossed with rivers in the east, marshes and Sandy deserts in the south west... Design for strictly one terrain will simply not suffice for such a situation. You can either have different equipment for every terrain (nightmare) or have modular/rugged equipment that you can use basically everywhere

[@sushiman3817]

The big thing I don't see a lot of people really talk about when comparing specificly American tanks to Chinese tanks like this is that performance of certain areas of the tank, like the round are classified. That's the same with American tanks and it's already confirmed that the United States has a new type of round that is multipurpose. Considering how advanced a lot of things the military is putting out rn are I imagine that another tank design isn't far behind along with a swath of new technological advancements that will likely make other nations shid a lil

[@cameronspence4977]

Sepv4 is already in process and reportedly the US is also coming out with an Abrams replacement as well as a new light tank. Also yeah, there's been a lot of crazy new munitions coming out lately

[@comediangj4955]

Multipurpose round simply isn't gonna have higher pen then an APFSDS

[@TechnoMinarchist]

The Germans released their new tank (KF51 Panther) last month. So I wouldn't be surprised if the States has one in the making.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Considering China steals all their technology from America and the West as they seem to be incapable of designing anything that works on their own it seems they will forever be playing catch-up.

[@DaleKallio-jk9wo]

Thank you, my kindred southern gunner. The accent adds a comical outlet for pent up frustrations over sheer stupidity.🤠 Please quote me with a similar accent😂

[@steveinspokane3096]

They can't be making too many of these tanks. At least not until they start slowing down on filling every American household with 5-8 appliances of some sort. Great run down Cappy. Love to hear what is going on over the fence. And before someone else says it: Tanks a lot!

[@honkhonk8009]

yk thats exactly what Germany thought right before they were flooded with American tanks and fucking obliterated. The world needs to automate fast in order to compete with China. Genuinely surprised that no one is even remotely concerned over this threat.

[@ThatGuyOrby]

Coming from a guy who plans on joining the Army within the year as a 19K (Armor Crewman) with such high levels of reported armor on the heaviest variant of the Type 99A do you think this might prompt the US Army to finally pursue procurement of the longer barrel Rheinmetall L/55 120mm gun to replace their variant of the aging Rheinmetall L/44 for the greater penetrative performance which seems to be growing more and more necessary to deal with modern peer armored threats? Or do you believe that there is a better option for the US to future-proof it's favorite mainline armored asset? It seems more and more that as armor increases the Abrams is slowly falling behind in lethality and protection despite the enhanced armor that came with the SEPV3 version of the tank. This is of obvious concern to myself should the worst come to pass during my future service.

[@jp34604]

Wow, the amount of information you provide and work you put into this is amazing 👏

[@olisk-jy9rz]

It's all very basic info you can find everywhere else included wikipedia, it's just packed full of jokes.

[@wipeblyt7438]

Yeah，quiet a lot of info to the level that he cant even name the tank right

[@Sugarmountaincondo]

Good job on the analysis video, you earned my subscription with no hesitation.

[@Hunting380]

Always super informative and hilarious. Love your videos!

[@lukeowens9773]

0:39 I screamed at my scream when I saw “Soviet design” under a challenger and “western design” under a t90

[@rogue___tr00per24]

As always, very informative, I am glad you mentioned "battle tested", not sure how much the two gulf wars counted actually, considering it was so one sided, nonetheless, experience was gained, and learned. Also, always enjoy the humour !!

[@leprechaunbutreallyjustamidget]

Well we know t62s are about as dangerous as a kitten to an Abrams

[@mylittlebrotherca9691]

T62 are a bitch to operate. Like sending a 🐢 turtle with bottle rockets duct taped to their shell, can't see out for shit, hot,cramped. exhaust invariably floods inside. Always leave the hatches open! Two levers, steering, best in third (3rd) gear, straightline once moving. CLUTCH SUCKS!!! Don't be too high and mighty, once stopped, lined up & firing ..She can, like any main gun, properly employed, blow a hole in your ass.

[@mylittlebrotherca9691]

@@leprechaunbutreallyjustamidget Yeah, but no Operater wants their "BELL RUNG", Even our ABRAMS doesn't have an "Invisible ForceField". Sucks inside, & ALOT of maintenance to repair, even small arms damage vision blocks.😞

[@leprechaunbutreallyjustamidget]

@@mylittlebrotherca9691 kinda does have a invisible force field in the sense that it can out range the t62 by over half a kilometer. And the odds that a t62 spotting an Abrams first are really low to start with.

[@mylittlebrotherca9691]

You are right! The M1A1 DOES have a force field, a buddy just told me..Tankers call it "ANGEL ON OUR SHOULDERS", also affectionately dubbed A10 Warthog 🤗🥰

[@beerenmusli8220]

This was very enlightening and a great explanation!

[@EyeInTheSkypaulmcmenamin]

Chris will you do an initial thoughts/review on the new Rheinmetall KF51 Panther based on the video and brochures released to date and how it hypothetically stacks up against it's most likely opponent, the T14.

[@longyu9336]

T14 wins easily since KF51 does enter the battlefield eventually and gets destroyed by the many threats there whilst T-14 never leaves it's home base, thus surviving the battle!

[@макслюлюкин]

You are incorrectly considering, at least, the Russian doctrine of the use of tanks.In it, the enemy's tanks are fought first by artillery, including jet, then by aviation, infantry with the help of anti-tank weapons.Tanks in the Russian doctrine are used to break through the enemy's defenses, naturally not by themselves, but in a group with the main units of the ground forces. And only at the end of this whole list is the fight against enemy tanks.In battles in the same Ukraine, tanks and tanks converge very rarely, and there losses from the Ukrainian side in tank duels are about 1 to 6, due to better training of the crew, better protection and means of detection.

[@justsomepersonyoudontknow8401]

@@longyu9336 What are you even saying lmao

[@ralphace3071]

@@longyu9336 lol kf 51 is more advance with suicide drone capability 😂😂😂

[@danielrodriguez7052]

So they have the built in turret ejection system? Cool!

[@rogerwilco5918]

Depends on how they store the ammo.

[@dominiksoukal]

@@rogerwilco5918 ???

[@Bialy_1]

@@rogerwilco5918 There are two variants that they could copy from soviets, horizontaly or verticaly and in both of them they are doing amazing job in the topic of rapid turret ejecting system.

[@adamfrazer5150]

Hi Cappy ? I'm still waiting on the M1A conversion kit I ordered, for my Toyota Camry 😐

[@carolusrex5305]

The accuracy “+ 15 degrees C” cannot be talking about 15 degrees of deviation. That is a HUGE miss. Precision usually is talked about in MOA (Minutes of Angle i.e. 1/60 th of a degree) or MRAD (Google it, I can’t be bothered to explain it). The +15 C is likely the temperature at which the test was conducted. You can also see +15 C below.

[@grisall]

I believe the Abrams top speed is governed - it is capable of a greater speed. Also some modern tanks have a small auxiliary engine to generate electricity - They are quieter and provide a constant flow of electricity even when the main engine is turned off

[@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine]

I disagree about your conclusion that China does not have the same problem with corruption within it's military that Russia have considering how often their presidator clear their political rivals with charges of corruption. Hell that had significant problems about high officer litterally buying their positions fairly recently (2015-2017) and the military being use as a profit making machine. I think the corruption problem there is at least as bad as the russian one. Might even be worse since Russia was involved in armed conflict before the Ukraine's invasion.

[@driedbrainfreeze2149]

Corruption is everywhere. Here in the States you retire from the Pentagon and what do you know. You get a position on the board of (insert defense company).

[@Oddball_E8]

They don't have *the same* problem with corruption. They still have a problem with corruption, but it's structured differently. And it's not as wide spread and systematic in the lower ranks.

[@sw36jl]

2015 and 2017 is not recent in Chinese timeframes. Remember that 2017 was the beginning of Xi's military reforms. It has been 5 years since then. I would argue the difference is China has a goal, Russia doesn't it is all just one man Putin. The problem with China is that the party is so institutionalised that even Xi can't rule alone, he has to appease the party to maintain his power. But it also means that the party is for the most part united in actually securing themselves and the country. Ie. I could be Russian Military and just want to make money, does embezzle the funds for the procurement. I have no personal stake in this as I can run with my money, In China on the other hand, there isn't such a way, and they actually have a plan (whether all the party members stick to it and have good character is individual dependent, but the likelihood is less) Sinica Podcast did a great research and talk about the CCP apparatus and how it filters out less desirable individuals from its ranks In that 5 years China has had more than 10 cities have new Metro Lines, China's economy has grown from US$12 to 17 trillion. I recall in 2008, China had its first HSR line. By 2011 it had the largest network (4 years). 30 years ago in 1990, most Chinese had the average wage of Gabon or Guinea-Bissau

[@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine]

@@sw36jl The biggest problems in your argument is that you use numbers from the CCP who is unreliable at best and that you think 5 years is enough to completly change culture.

[@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine]

@@driedbrainfreeze2149 That's a whataboutism and is just a tactic to dodge the initial point.

[@robbowman8770]

Are they available on Ali Baba yet? Asking for a friend...

[@NWA-REALITY]

Love your material Cappy!

[@katieluv8422]

Abram's is only limited to 40 off-road as a recommended top speed. You go over a hill at the speed and tonnage and the tank will kill the occupants. It unofficially can go 70mph plus on pavement (that's coming from a driver I talked to in the 90's),limited by the fact that the rest of the battalion can only travel at about 40mph. It's not about size too, Abrams has very impressive acceleration for getting in and out of dug in positions (not that we'd ever need to dig in an Abrams). I won't comment on the T99A, since I know so little about it, but I will say Abrams was designed with enough killing power and armor to handle that class of tank. Also, US doctrine ditched ditched snorkels on tanks a long time ago. Takes too long to ford and very few river banks can handle a tank going up and down. We can lay a bridge almost instantly or hop some light armor via transport aircraft to create a bridgehead. You remember when Saddam blew the bridges into Baghdad? Barely, even slowed our attack.

[@wolfrainexxx]

Literally all US Military hardware can travel faster than what the public thinks it can. An example would be like the Stryker, which can comfortably cruise at 90mph on Highway. The newer M1A2 SEP V3 can exceed 80mph pretty easily, but the speed governor won't allow it, because again... a vehicle that big suddenly breaking, turning, or stopping would be extremely dangerous to everything, and everyone, involved.

[@MrGeforcerFX]

earlier abrams (like the ones from the 90's) were a good chunk lighter then our modern up armored versions, so over all pep and acceleration has taken a hit. But the suspension system and transmission has been upgraded as well over time and can handle the increased weight, but the turbine is the same power as it was before.

[@Strategy_Analysis]

Good briefing. Thanks for this. Not bad for an Infantryman (from an Armoured Corps bloke 😉). Definitely a different approach to the Abrams. And then again, as you say, are the different tactics by which they are employed.

[@gamecubekingdevon3]

you could also trace back some design lessons and features from the older WZ1224 prototype another thing to note is regarding the name calling for chinese MBTs: generally, "type XX" is the western designation. chinese designation is generally "ZTZ-XX" or "WZ-XXX" (WZ being the prototype + production name and ZTZ being the PLA name. for exemple, as far as i know, the "type99" s chinese names are respectively WZ123 for R&D + prod and ZTZ99 for army)

[@wolfrainexxx]

Easier to remember if you memorize WZ designation as Wanzer. Can't think of anything for ZTZ, but I imagine Type-90 as T-90, so I remember where the Type-90 series comes from. "Wanzers (derived from the German word wanderpanzer; wander for "walking", and panzer for "armor") are a type of mecha featured in the Front Mission games."

[@novabxnynova5381]

You said 150 horsepower when it says 1500, your voice over may have been confused with the 150HB title of the actual engine. Just a heads up.

[@majonezwiniary9391]

One thing is certain, it can't be worse than russian state of the art T-14 armata.

[@dg2010]

There's nothing wrong with the Armata design itself. You're just hating on Russia to hate on Russia.

[@Castragroup]

@@dg2010 for real

[@dominiksoukal]

@@dg2010 nothing wrong? Why then have there not been more than 20 produced in 7 years?

[@ilaccci8032]

The armata is not bad lol they just cant produce them in big numbers because its expensive

[@longyu9336]

@@dg2010 It is so stealthy nobody ever saw it deployed to active duty. Meanwhile This type 99AII is not common but still observed many times in active duty brigades.

[@hardlylivin6602]

I don’t see any significant advantage the type 99a has over the Abrams. At least advantages that couldn’t also be applied to the Abrams if needed. As for speed, my understanding was the abrams was governed at 45mph and is physically capable of higher but was considered unnecessary do to the added wear on the running gear. I believe I even read that an unlocked Abrams was capable of hitting 70mph with a full combat load. As for fuel consumption. Not really an issue when you can literally raid the local liquor store for fuel. Obviously that was a joke despite it actually being true.

[@WSOJ3]

There isn’t any significant advantage. In fact China only built about 400-600 of these Type 99A vs America’s 5000+ Abrams. The reason is simple, China doesn’t believe in Type 99A. The only place where those tanks are fielded are North East China, and the ONLY potential enemy there is Russia, which isn’t much of an enemy.

[@cityhunterhf]

@@WSOJ3 agree maybe CN and US will never have a tank battle

[@ggen6580]

agree，But every piece of equipment has a cost, you can't expect a $3 million tank to perform at the same level as the M1, but if you can reach eighty percent level with $3 million, you will definitely like this equipment, and if a $3 million tank encounters a target that can't be solved, what you may need is a tactical missile to handle the trouble encountered.

[@longyu9336]

9:02 Full stop, the tanks design doctrine never was for being a lightweight naval landing tank, it is already 10 tons heavier than soviet counterparts. These tanks were precisely intended to hull down in defensive. delaying operations against hordes of Soviet tanks streaming down from Siberia into North eastern China. Before these new tanks became available the PTZ 89 tank destroyer (as the PLA tanks were at that time only equipped with weak 105 mm rifled guns with the PTZ being the only one with a decent main gun) was intended to destroy as many Soviet tanks as possible in direct fire before a "people's war" mass insurrection would drive out the Soviets.

[@honkhonk8009]

After the Gulf war, China realized that soviet styled "quantity over quality" approach was braindead and flawed. China expected America to lose against the 4th largest military (iraq), but America won within litteral weeks with impressive results. As a result, China began to take inspiration from America rather than Russia, and now try to go for quality over quantity. Chinese tanks are basically designed to do the same defilade techniques that modern western tanks practice. China made a smart decision and based their military off the Americans. Deng Xiaoping did say "No matter if it is a white cat or a black cat; as long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat." They realized Americans knew what they were doing, and learnt. I hope China doesnt invade Tiawan or pull anything in the future. Their not Russia, and will be 100x better performing.

[@longyu9336]

@@honkhonk8009 Not a fan of Mr Xi as well but the "Crimea" to China's "Ukraine" (RoC Taiwan) would be annexing the nearer islands like Kinmen and Matsu. Thankfully this has not happened yet. There's joint drills between China and Russia (and since the mid 2010s Chinese wargames tend to be competitive as the "opfor" regiment began to win regularily against their own regiments) so I would be really curious about the results of these Chinese-Russian wargames.

[@someasiandude2008]

0:37 i like how you put soviet design over a challenger and western design over T-90

[@ls-420stoner6]

Now here's the real question. How bad has corruption affected the Chinese military? Is it as bad, worse, or better than what we've seen in the Russian military?

[@EmilioZapatiamo]

Probobly far less under xi he's cracked down on corruption in the military with a fury

[@nekopop8159]

There is some but I don’t know how it would compare to Russia tho, it is kinda bad

[@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204]

🤔Nah man it's bad very bad Just look at pollymatter video(I bet he ain't like your average YouTubr that Created YT channel just for bashing china).Check his content out he mentions there about How China And corruption is running the country

[@PippetWhippet]

I cannot speak for the military, but I’ve both lived in China and done business with the Chinese on behalf of my company. China believes the world runs on corruption. I would be shocked if the high level corruption isn’t rife. However, I don’t think there will be much theft - I think you will find that there have been a lot of the wrong people promoted because they could pay, but not much in the way of people buying mansions they couldn’t possibly afford on their wage.

[@tomhenry897]

Still a million man army

[@petertaylor6384]

Historically being in a tank offered a reasonable level of protection but I would be terrified of even encountering infantry these days in a tank. A tiny rocket seems to be a near guaranteed death sentence

[@missourimongoose8858]

Well for the most part tanks really don't go anywhere without infantry overwatch for this very reason, what's crazy is you think tiny rockets are scary when you can go to your local hardware store and make a shape charge with remote demo for just a few bucks and can take out any tank

[@brankomilicevic6904]

The tank which has less crew has less interior volume, thus it can be overall smaller and lighter, while it can potentially have comprable armour to heavier western tanks which have more crew, more interior volume and more overall size and volume. That being said the composite on Chinese and russian tanks probably is worse formula then what is on western tanks however with heavy ERA the armour might actually be even better, though obviously ERA is a one shot wonder. So yes everything is a trade. Top attack is the main thing here tho and nothing except an active defense system that covers the upper hemisphere helps there, no tank in the world can survive top attack. That being said I think if it's cheaper modern tanks should not even have active defense covering front armour since conventional tank tactics is to have best armour there but the upper hemisphere must be covered. It would be an acceptable trade. There's even videos of Russians under Ukrainian ambush and a top attack nlaw scores a kill but direct multiple frontal shots at a different tank in the column that turned towards the ambushing troops fail to penetrate it.

[@nvelsen1975]

Pretty sure that's why Chinese doctrine doesn't use the tanks as a spearhead. More chance for infantry to intercept any ATGM teams that way. Unlike the Russian approach of "Comrade, first tank has been blown to bits, we now know we're under attack"

[@ignacio3890]

The ukranian videos are fake

[@Shahzada]

Type 90-2s modified version Al Khalid ( Pakistan )played a big part in this. It employed majority of western systems with Ukrainian engines.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

Well, everyone's blueprints are known, and again, despite the advantages here and there, it always, ALWAYS comes down to the effectiveness of the crew and the crews around them (and the combined arms team they are attached to). I've never trained with Chinese crews, but whoooooo boy. There are major national differences in military culture that very much effect how well their armor units fight. I trained with armor officers from most every Middle Eastern nation west of Iran, and most every Western NATO nation. Big differences.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@Que Coo I'm sure they have some elite troops that would fight well. And there is a fair deal of nationalism in China. Some might even be true believers.

[@MrTangolizard]

I’m not sure the best of both worlds is to use a Russian style auto loader

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

russian style autoloaders are perfectly fine, its not the autoloader that is the issue. its the lack of other systems around them that is the issue. ukrainian and russian designs that never went past the prototype stage show its perfectly possible to have a carousel autoloader and separate it from the crew (including blow out pannels). neither country has had the money to do so. the russians actually canceled theirs to fund armata, i bet they regret that now...

[@CoffeeNKush]

Not to be that guy but is the turret supposed to wobble like that at 17:38? Just as he's naming the positives about the tank too

[@voidtempering8700]

That tank is not the Type-99a, in fact, it isn't even a Type-96.