Tasting Bootleg vs. "Real" Wines

[@ModernRogue]

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[@DeviantAngel]

so...? Jason got botox?

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Why is the pen mightier than the sword? The sword is used to fight a war by spilling the blood of an enemy. The pen is used to end one by signing a treaty.

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[@josephbrennan757]

I like how they got more realistic over time modern rogue through the years: Lets make tasers out of disposable cameras! modern rogue like a week from now: How much alcohol can we consume in one sitting?

[@ivarlaupet8972]

Joseph Brennan No! I the old one was better.

[@reggiep75]

They're more like 'problematic gentleman' rather than rogues these days and it's largely due to Google/KZbin and it's fascist rules, where they don't even tell people the rules or boundaries so that people trip up and they can CYNICALLY snatch back acquired funds due to demonetisation. This is how they control people on the platform to move towards making 'wholesome content' old folks can watch with their grandkids. During the early days of lockdown I watched quite a bit of the old stuff and watched them egg each other on and do odd, funny and near the bone stuff which was good. Now the mention of something overtly rogue-ish has the KZbin AI/algorithm crying in a corner with its safety blanket and babbling about 'bad people'. It would be good if there was viable competition in the video hosting platforms but KZbin has ensured that it has the monopoly and ruined it for too many. There'll come a time when KZbin is finished as people will opt for small fee P2P sharing/streaming when they really want to watch something without creative restrictions.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

I remember back in the day one of them was secretly infamous computer hacker Mr. Robot

[@smugboi_]

Cory got a Borderlands vault symbol on his apron, mad respect.

[@cranfill]

Indeed!

[@omaroma6081]

@@cranfill absolute legend

[@Epicmonk117]

@@omaroma6081 not a legend: a *_B A D A S S_*

[@omaroma6081]

Oficial super bad ass

[@michaelshields3196]

Cory Cranfill is Hunter!

[@SykoLiu]

A couple small tips in case someone wants to do this themselves: -Instead of white sugar, use dextrose. It’ll leave less of a sweet aftertaste. -to avoid the slight fizz, you need to de-gas it as it ferments. This is done just by stirring it (or shaking) until you see bubbles rise out of it.

[@mikemojc]

After. De-gas after it ferments.

[@nivikliriak]

I've had good luck fortifying my cider with invert syrup (glucose/fructose). The cider that came out of that wound up *very* dry, and the ferment took off fast; the yeast like the simpler sugars. EDIT: It did take a month or so of maturation in secondary fermentation for the off flavors to mellow out, though; there was some hydrogen sulfide, I think, and that took time to work its way out.

[@SykoLiu]

@@mikemojc It depends what you're making, actually. Traditional wine is always after the fact, but de-gassing during fermentation is common practice for things like mead (the thicker liquid is more likely to trap excess CO2 and cause problems for fermentation). So really, you're not going to have problems if you de-gas earlier so long as you're not doing it with a vacuum pump or something.

[@lazywhisper177]

Cory has the vault symbol embroidered on his apron and I love it

[@woofy1988]

Hey Vault Hunter

[@chaseyoudown99]

LOOK OUT! THE LAVA IS RISING!

[@swirrllfolfsky9803]

Sup killer

[@junatah5903]

Borderlands 1: walking simulator. Borderlands 2: the only good villain in any game or movie simulator. Borderlands 3: talk to lilith simulator.

[@cranfill]

Ya! That guy is the coolest!

[@justinbanks2380]

Cory gets the highest level of title in this episode!!! "Resident Adult" How long did he have to grind to achieve that level?

[@B_Skizzle]

Well before anything else, you need to complete the "Puberty" quest chain, and that’s already a tough one. Then you need to defeat Responsibility the Fun-Ruiner. Try to avoid his "always busy" status effect or you’ll be locked out of certain side quests later on.

[@cranfill]

#adultinghard!

[@catfish552]

If you rolled high on INT, you're already halfway there.

[@GogiRegion]

He didn’t have to grind that much, to be honest.

[@thegastronomicgoat9359]

The viscous mouthfeel in the first wine is likely a result of a bacterial infection. Pediococcus can often cause this. Adding a wild yeast strain called Brettanomyces can clear this up with time. Both Pediococcus and Brettanomyces are used in the production of sour beer. Do you want to know more?

[@thegastronomicgoat9359]

@Lex Bright Raven The wet paper smell they were reporting in the first one is likely an issue with oxidation. Too much exposure to oxygen results in a flavor and aroma reminiscent of wet cardboard. Would you like to know more?

[@christiancasaverdepertica1802]

@@thegastronomicgoat9359 i want to know more

[@thegastronomicgoat9359]

@@christiancasaverdepertica1802 Service guarantees citizenship! Fermenting your wine or beer at high temperatures can give you ethyl acetate, which explains the paint thinner and glue aroma. This can be prevented by controlling the temperature and keeping things cooler during fermentation. Do you want to know more?

[@allsotwisted]

Tell me more!

[@thegastronomicgoat9359]

@@allsotwisted On the fourth wine sample tasted, the cough syrup flavor is likely due to a lack of acidity. Dosing the final product with acid would likely help the flavor. To ensure the safety of our solar system, Klandathu must be eliminated.

[@MandalorV7]

I just so happened to start a mead batch today. The Modern Rogue’s video is how I first started getting into mead making.

[@jonathonhunt5387]

Dude same except I was 17 when i started

[@lukesigmon9601]

I started m batch back in January. I’m gonna start drinking it this week. I also watched that video to help me with it. I ended up with 12 full bottles of it

[@CitySteadingBrews]

Homebrew is no more inherently dangerous than cooking. If done right, it's perfectly safe (aside from the alcohol of course!). I'm also guessing the commercial wines were aged where the homemade were not. Wine needs age to improve and mellow. As I watch further, I'm convinced the homebrew versions were not left to ferment long enough, didn't use appropriate recipes and were not aged. If they are bubbly, that means they weren't degassed either. I love you guys but this is just giving home wine making a black eye here. The jokes about botulism and being poisoned, then producing an obviously inferior product and comparing to commercial wine? It's funny on the surface, but as a wine and mead maker, and someone who promotes good techniques and practices, this is just a little... insulting.

[@hiroyopoetker]

100% By far homemade mead, wine, beer or any other brew when made properly is hands down better than store bought. I too feel the same offense as if home-brewed wine is sort of impossible to get right or good.

[@jakezanders6598]

That's kinda the whole modern rogue vibe though. There's very little they actually get right on, but that's not the point. Anybody that knows anything about fire making, knife throwing, surveillance, parkour, or anything else MR has ever covered feels the same way as you do about their wine making. It's just for entertainment

[@hiroyopoetker]

Ok its just comedy! I was expecting a better quality home-brew!

[@EchosTackyTiki]

Not that it matters but the best derisive description I've ever heard anyone give of an alcohol was this; "It's kinda like drinking room temperature radio static while someone screams the name of a fruit in the next room." If you can guess what drink they were talking about, you win. I don't know what you win, but you definitely win it.

[@drpibisback7680]

Are you sure it was Alcohol? Because that sounds like how I've heard several people describe LaCroix.

[@EchosTackyTiki]

@@drpibisback7680 Certainly was. Although I guess that would be an accurate description of LaCroix too.

[@TheEldritchVoid]

@@EchosTackyTiki well I'm gonna throw a wildcard out there and say white claw ?

[@EchosTackyTiki]

@@TheEldritchVoid You win. Stand by for your prize, but first stand by for me to figure out what it's gonna be.

[@mikemojc]

If you use actual wine yeast (available in the interwebs for about what you'd pay for bread yeast), you can get amazingly good results. Bread yeast is bred to make LOTS of CO2 and small amounts of alcohol. Wine yeast is bred to yield smaller amounts of CO2 and significant amounts of C2H5OH.

[@maz3746]

My mom and step dad actually make their own homemade wine you can hardly tell the difference

[@RonanMacQuarrie]

Technically in the right glass, pruno could in fact be a "botchilism shot"

[@SamSphinx]

Botulism.

[@RyanStonedonCanadianGaming]

Seeing Jason's not hair and Rex with a style and not a mullet is very different.

[@azraelcorvo9087]

I almost didn't recognize them at first.

[@clayrdean]

Get someone who knows how to make fruit wine. If it's that bad, you're doing it wrong.

[@alexcameron1746]

listen Jason is a cyborg so it's not like he's going to die or anything.

[@BLUEYAZ00]

Brian going for the Jack Nicholson look this episode.

[@RadioactiveModder]

Fuck, I see it too.

[@twojuiceman]

It's impossible for brian's hair to sink lower than it was a couple years ago

[@Lalondeist]

Your money is no good here, Mr. Brushwood.

[@bassmasta9117]

I was just typing a The Shining reference but you beat me to it!

[@velazquezarmouries]

Just mix grape juice with everclear

[@bakachan3601]

That doesn't make it wine tho. Wine has a fermented flavor, and no where near moonshine levels of alcohol. XD

[@velazquezarmouries]

@@bakachan3601 no I mean a really small ammount of everclear like in a 1/28 mixture

[@johngrave5554]

Fuck now I gotta try it. Can I substitute vodka instead that's all I got.

[@brodylockley3141]

Lena Shanon yea I reckon I do it with cider

[@velazquezarmouries]

@@johngrave5554 any high proof grain spirit might work Also some vodka are actually watered down everclear

[@joshuacockcroft7741]

"is apple wine a thing?" yes brian its called cider

[@FesIRL]

My homemade wine taste better than some $20 bottles. Lol

[@mattbenz99]

@@MostlyLost The price of different wines has more to do with availability than flavour. This is why medium priced wines always win blind taste tests. Usually, expensive wines are only expensive because of a limited supply. A lot of people don't get that most of the time, price is based on supply and demand and not quality. A big winery that produces a lot can be cheaper than a small winery that can only produce a small amount.

[@zacharygh]

Correction for something Cory said: bread yeast stops at 8% ABV, 10% if you're lucky. Also, most wine yeasts don't go past 15% ABV. Certain ones will (such as Lalvin EC-1118), but they're uncommon outside of home-brewing.

[@Charlesb88]

Just wanted to let you all know that Rogue wine is actually a thing IRL. There are several wines sold under he Rogue name or variants of it including: * Grand Itata Tinto (2016) from Rogue Vine in Itata Valley, Chile. * California Chardonnay from Rogue Vineyards from California. * Rogue Red from (NV Valley View Rogue Red) from Vally View Wines in Rogue Valley, Oregon. * Gone Rogue Mash Up Red (2017), a Red Blend from South Australia, Australia.

[@Sniperboy5551]

I’m so psyched to see the Whiskey Tribe guy on this channel. I love both of these channels!

[@henryeccleston7381]

A good trick for making wines and meads is to pitch heavy on the yeast and then keep bugs and dust out. Let ferment until it stops bubbling and then filter through ten layers of cheese cloth. For mead, age forever, for wines you need to seal them after they stop bubbling and get filtered.

[@HunterSentinel]

I love the chemistry these guys have with each other! It’s like the mythbusters but with real chemistry!

[@kennethgdula712]

Love y'all, very happy to see the Brewing skill tree has expanded.

[@Seraph.G]

No joke, best wine I ever had was made out of cherry juice I fermented with bread yeast under my desk for two weeks

[@richardpowell4281]

Pruno reference in 3.... 2.... Wow even before I could finish the comment...

[@Sir_Uncle_Ned]

"Did you guys ferment cough syrup!?" - best line 2020

[@GogiRegion]

I’m curious about how this would turn out, to be honest. It has sugar which is the bare minimum, and hell, it can have alcohol as well as a head start. Maybe mix with water and make it how you would make mead. I wonder if any of them are hospitable enough for yeast to start the fermentation process.

[@TheScarvig]

i once build what was essentially a time delayed glass shrapnel bomb by accident... back when i was a child and before i knew what i was doing, i tried fermenting sugarwater with baking yeast in a small glass bottle with a screw top. nothing huge, just one of these small booze bottles you find next to the registers in supermarkets. i had it fizzing away for like a week on a shelf and at some point decided to screw it really tight. couple of hours later the darn thing exploded and sent glass shrapnel all across my room. for a long time i used a tft monitor with a scratch in the front layer, because one of the shrapnels hit it and nicked the surface...

[@lerlay950]

If your wine tastes too sweet it could easily be a stuck ferment - you can use a piece of equipment called a hydrometer to figure that out but it's usually fixed by adding more yeast, more nutrients or more citric acid. The hydrometer also lets you figure out how much booze you've got in your booze. While they're right and you CAN use bread yeast, you will get a much better result from a proper brewer's yeast At some point I'd like to see them actually do it "properly" with decent equipment and taking hydrometer readings so they end up with a wine that they're not scared to drink Edit: they did this for the mead episode, they could easily do it for a basic wine recipe. Mead and wine are almost exactly the same in terms of best practices and nutrients, they should be able to make a decent wine with what they already know

[@BeeCeeJay]

"Hello Vault Hunter, thanks for riding my bus... now buy some guns!" - Marcus

[@robaba89]

"There's no botulism shot!" ...Botox?

[@Ihat-b2j]

😂😂 exactly what I thought

[@stocktonjoans]

there are various additives that are good for making fruit juice have a long shelf life, unfortunatly they're not so good for brewing, that's probably what caused the film on the wine made from store brought grape juice

[@superviro]

Watching this video and drinking homemade wine made from Welch's grape juice.

[@puffin-onehandedgamer1164]

that ad at the end. from talking about cheapnwine that might have you sitting on the toilet all day straight into erectile dysfunction, nice! lol

[@jasonluke6364]

Never expected Rex to be on a wine episode

[@shivanica]

Is it true, that the type of yeast used determines the amount of ethylalcohol content in the wine. Which is the yeast you recommend to make apple wine?

[@Jackaldev]

12:58, Wow that segway... so smooth.

[@communismwithgiggles2515]

I definitely was not expecting this video to be sponsored by ED treatment

[@qdmc12]

9:27 Brewers yeast tolerates up to 8 or 9%, not sure what "brewer's yeast" you're using..

[@Xylasider]

At the opening to the video, because I watch both this and whiskey tribe/vault so much, there was a second of confusion looking at Rex and Jason as to which one was supposed to be here and who was the guest.

[@pigeonfog]

The film could be the start of a 'mother of vinegar', which is a colony of bacteria that is safe and converts alcohol into vinegar.

[@MrRoflHamster]

My man Brian slowly turning into Adam Savage

[@OnceUponReddit]

Murphy makes the show

[@WeirdPros]

Oh boy, they brought one of those Tribals. Can't wait for him to tell me all about the leather-backed cinnamon ten-penny-nail apple pie notes of this box wine.

[@ArsenicFault]

Love that vault logo!

[@cranfill]

Hellz ya!

[@Charzilian]

Fun Fact: Any wine after 1951 could have traces of radioactive particles from all the nuclear weapons tested in nevada. So you could quite literally be drinking a part of the fallout.

[@Dinie09]

Corey and his vault hunter apron!

[@cranfill]

Ya! That guy is the best!

[@mr.breadobamagames5221]

I love cory's borderlands apron!

[@julienlebamoff1224]

Brian: There's no botulism shot! Botox: Am I a joke to you?

[@matthewwoods632]

Yes, thank you

[@JAY-gl5xd]

As an incredibly frugal drinker I've mixed hawaiian punch and red star yeast. I do not recommend it. Frozen juice concentrate and yeast, maybe some extra sugar definitely better. But Franzia chillable red for my money is the best if you don't mind the calories. Also you would be supporting the Fischer house charities.

[@JAY-gl5xd]

I should also say I've made several very palettible meads, a moon shine and a very "accurate" version of mudders milk (for firefly fans).

[@rvaughan74]

I've made homemade wine before using grape juice as a base. Never had any of the issues you guys mentioned. Maybe I'm just lucky. Or the brand of juice I've used since it never tasted like candy before or after fermenting.

[@LuckyMoniker]

'is apple wine a thing?' hard cider: am i a fucking joke to you??

[@thecorellianconnection141]

When are you guys gonna do a coffee episode? That would be awesome!

[@darkinertia2]

man id pay so much for a channel with modern rogue x whiskey vault

[@jacob5169]

Fun fact I was told by my parents who are hobbyist brewers: It is possible to make a beer that tastes like bananas, but you will never ever see anyone make that beer. This is because when you brew beer and the hops go bad, you end up with a beer that tastes kinda like bananas, so no one wants that flavor intentionally.

[@warshipcommand714]

You should do a video on instant barrel aging a drink using an ultra sonic cleaner. You can take cheap booze and make it tast top shelf

[@1083blacksheep]

You need to do this over with properly made and aged home made wines.

[@skyepyro7104]

Shoutout to Cory Cranfill for the BADASS apron.

[@awareqwx]

"Bubbly, filmic euuugh..." Beautiful.

[@Ryno6465]

Pruno must be the most infamous episode of MR ever

[@junatah5903]

Is that actually the borderlands logo on that apron or does it actually mean something?

[@cranfill]

Borderlands!

[@tchrowz]

as a decade long homebrewer/winemaker with a stint of probrewer, this video makes me want to slap you all. There's a lot that goes into winemaking. complete fermentation and aging is needed as with store bought. I'd go with a good home wine maker who makes great fruit and veggie wines over store bought any day!

[@gueto70]

Don't use brewers yeast or bread yeast unless you are making beer or bread.Use wine or champagne yeast if you want a drinkable alcohol over 5 proof.Wine yeast for up to 27 proof champagne yeast if you are pushing to upper 30s. Yes you can readily buy it online.The vino is as good as the ventor and the ingredients.

[@Lethaltail]

I tried the new Red Bull flavor and it definitely also had a paper-y finish to it. Not great, but not terrible.

[@alexkuczynski2548]

when is trevor going to make a reappearance? he mustve come up with new drinks during quarantine

[@cranfill]

Soon.. working on that now

[@JakeyMeisty]

When I was in highschool I made gallons and gallons of this stuff for me and my friends. Some tasted pretty good. Others, not so much. But we were young and it was cheap. Good times

[@daviddemmers130]

Stop using bread yeast, it produces terrible flavors. Also don't get one of these super fast or super high alcohol yeasts their flavors aren't the best either. Actually calculate the sugar you put in and MEASURE the gravity. Also try to not use the cheapest bag of sugar as adding tons will stress and saturate the yeast, a mix of sugars will help with flavors. These things will drastically improve the taste.

[@kumorighost]

Im sipping my homemade cranberry ginger wine while I'm watching this

[@facelessjack442]

I'm just here in my room losing my shit to them all coming to the same conclusion "Corey did you ferment Elmers glue"

[@j.daldridge736]

Straight up jumped when I saw this come up in the feed. Happy pruno tasting

[@aikenyao7239]

jason wearing a hat to hide the fact his barber cut his hair too short

[@mrpink3338]

Gonna be a wine nerd for a minute. The film on the one wine is from contamination. Luckily for you guys its almost definitely acetic acid bacteria contamination. You see these in vinegars and kombucha. The thin membrane layer was the beginning of a pellicle. Not harmful but I'm sure is unpleasant. Can almost guarantee some fo these were fermented at too high of temps and oxidation was probably an issue as well.

[@justkarkat9575]

I wonder if it became filmy because of the process by which wine turns into Vinegar, because when it does this it produces something called a mother, which is a film of cellulose that produces on top.

[@Scavenger82]

"Generally considered safe." Ah, yes, the MR motto.

[@jamwheeler]

surprised rex didnt say "is this a speyside?"

[@matthewvalencia4660]

Just want to know why Jason doesn’t drink anymore

[@RovingJack]

I'm curious, but try to respect that it is not my bussiness and they needn't feel pressured to address it.

[@enoughofyourkoicarp]

I love that Jason's face throughout this video basically says "Oh I peed in all of these."

[@spacetexan8695]

What's wrong with mad dog lmao? I actualy like it a lot thank you very much 🙈

[@mikeb4469]

Kudos to Cory for the Borderlands Vault symbol on his apron!

[@PollyBonanzas]

1:54 Cory Cranfill: Resident -Adult- Vault Hunter.

[@cranfill]

Ya! He is the coolest!

[@klaatu9936]

You should do an episode on meditation.

[@TryHardCreative]

I love brians shirt in this episode.

[@cardpopcorn13]

Brian and his slick hair👍🏽

[@georgiacooper901]

Lets just drink and let the memories go awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy.

[@Legohaiden]

As a wine brewing enthusiast, it is ridiculously easy to make alcohol... so easy to make tasty non vomit alcohol that im surprised kids are not actually doing this instead of trying to buy store alcohol and having to go through all those steps. You can make Hooch wine from 64oz of Welches Grape juice, a table spoon of bread yeast, and 2 cups of sugar and about 2 weeks time. does it taste good? nope. will it mess you up? yup. But all the stuff to make great tasting wine is cheap, and anyone can buy it at any age right from Amazon.com

[@mattsfire5032]

Is Jason an alcoholic? Not currently drinking but sober now. Just wondering because he never drank on the channel so I was curious to see if he’s a sober alcoholic. If you are Jason congrats and keep it up because your doing good!

[@hesa_jigalo]

What a great crossover

[@MonotoneCreeper]

Apple wine, also known as Cider.

[@charleslambert3368]

they need to get themselves over to the West Country or Ireland (or Wales or Herefordshire)

[@kumorighost]

If its above a certain alcohol level cider is considered apple wine

[@removelimitbreak7524]

You guys should totally make colabs with the whisky tribe guys a weekly thing. Please and thank you.

[@MrBlack0950]

Lets not whine about this now... I'll put the puns away now

[@hopingforthebest1.9]

You can put it in a box next to my sarcasm

[@henryeccleston7381]

It’s so easy to make alcohol that it’s actually hard not to accidentally make it.

[@bsjeffrey]

in my experience homemade mead (honey wine) so far has always been far better than store bought mead.

[@BurninGems]

Never use bread yeast! Omg...

[@jarodspade1]

"Flavor chunks" brilliant.

[@paladonis]

Hehe. Rex is really trying to build up his powers for taking on Briana as Master Mooch it seems. He's now mooching from other channels!

[@HaydenX]

If you've ever had a concord wine (Manischewitz, MD Concord, etc.), you know how syrupy and "unwinelike" they can be (which is the point...they were created to be more palatable for people who hate wine, but need it for religious rituals). That's probably why it was easier to be fooled by the super sweet and "grape juicey" ones.

[@Shadow_of_Christ]

Can I ask why Jason doesn’t drink anymore? Sorry to intrude if I am just curious

[@thomasbailey9895]

I've been curious about that myself

[@WhiteXCr0w]

They actually address that in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5anqnuVrtydptU

[@sydthegoat88]

Aghh, we finished filming yet another MR video, what to do now ? Bongo drum sesh ? Sure why not, sounds good.....