Taylormade SIM Max vs M6 Drivers

[@clubchampionmedia]

Going to make a similar note to what we posted on the SIM v. M5 video: the ball speed increase we're talking about in this video is 1.7%. We're not claiming every golfer will get this, it will depend on their golf swing and strike pattern. The spin profiles of these drivers are different, we tested them at the same loft. Please take the results for what they are: a test with one player on one particular test day. Those comparing this test's numbers to the M3 v. M5 video we did a year ago need to understand that comparison is irrelevant. Matt is not actually a robot, his swing is considerably different now and clubhead speeds are not the same as last year.

[@adrianjackman9422]

Matt clearly is a robot, no human I play with has a beautiful swing like his.

[@steinfonell4915]

Iron Byron ...

[@sterlingjuarez]

Adrian Jackman Yeah, I call BS on that ‘Matt is not a robot’ claim too. 😂

[@ianfrasergolf]

Sterling Juarez 🤣🤣🤣

[@sterlingjuarez]

Ian Fraser I mean, I realize you guys weed out mishits in order to keep the data as much about the clubs as possible, but.... I’d be there for days just to get enough decent hits just to put out one video, and there appear to be single days that you guys crank out three or four! 🙄😂

[@rockyhoughtaling2007]

I do like these models more than last years. I bought an F9 last year so I'm not necessarily looking to upgrade but the more I see of the SIM lineup the more impressed I get.

[@eddiex72]

Appreciate the disclaimer note. I’m not sure whom would argue a counterpoint knowing your experience, but you guys communicate well and I’m sure others appreciate it as well. What I love is how much I have learned from your channel. The way you analyze the patterns and the data for us to consume so simply adds to the experience. Watching you guys do is also just downright fun.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Appreciate that Eddie!

[@steinfonell4915]

hahaha … I re-watched the SIM and M5 video a few hours ago. Halfway - I felt I needed a nap. Came back after my power nap and finished watching the SIM and M5 comparison. Just finished it, thinking, blimey, what can I now ever watch again… and the SIM Max and M6 video was up... No nap time this time around... wow. brilliant comparison chart with SIM and SIM Max.

[@mattsmith-bl2bg]

I always scroll to the numbers.

[@richardsdiaz1]

Looks like TM is back in the game for 2020! Looking forward to trying them out.

[@colinschrank5576]

"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in." Wow this thing is better than it looks.

[@robertlong5072]

You guys are the best. My favorite on KZbin! Thank you

[@stephenturnbull7737]

Fantastic video, I moved from M4 to M6 and had great gains, fingers crossed the SIM max helps me improve my driving to the next level, keep up the good work 👏

[@marcoraponi9855]

Great video as always keep them coming. Excited to see these in person as I’m currently gaming the M5

[@stephenshupert5534]

Cool to see Rory preferring the sim Max... Looks tempting to pick up.

[@stephenshupert5534]

Marcos Cado there is an interview up of him talking about the max. Might have changed since but the video is easy to find if you search it.

[@stephendibari7704]

After watching this, the SIM Max will be in the running with the Ping 410+ to replace my current F9 which is definitely not forgiving enough for me with weight forward ! 21 rounds in 2019 with the F9 and i had a major 2 way miss according to Arccos >>>. Stats with F9 driver: Missed Left: 34.4%. Hit: 44.7%. Missed Right: 20.9%. I’m not the only one who has complained about the F9 face irregularities. I’m sure some of the 2 way miss may be due to my swing but not enough to validate it. @mygolfspy did a major study in 2019 on driver MOI and the F9 with weight forward had one of the least MOI’s and the Ping 410+ had the 2nd highest MOI (a PXG model had the highest MOI by a marginal amount). There has to be truth in these numbers ! Numbers dont lie !!!

[@georgebroom8517]

Roll on the 2020 Driver Bracket!! 👍

[@wally6193]

I mentioned in your other SIM test that Rory says he preferred the SIM Max over the SIM, although he didn't say if he really preferred the Max over his M5, yet, we'll see what he's using in his tourney.

[@ernestolupercio3168]

I would rather give up 5-7 yards in distance and gain it forgiveness with the max sim. Always played m3, m5, and just enjoyed hitting the sim max more especially on the miss hits felt really stable. Put my fujikura 2.0 tour spec shaft. Spin was around 2200-2400. I’ll take it!

[@kyleschneider127]

Just tested the callaway maverick and the sim max Driver. Can’t go wrong with either but the sim max felt so good in the hands I had to pull the trigger on the Taylor made

[@jeffporter9524]

Would like to see a comparison with a 90-95 swing speed

[@RollYourRock]

Or even 85-90 mph swing speed! - There's a lot of us seniors out there looking for some help as well! 😃

[@dougphillips8474]

Yes - Its cool to see him hit 300 yard carry but 95% of us are not hitting it like that. What would it mean to me???

[@johnstone5377]

Just saw the Callaway Maverick at my local prop shop. Besides the color scheme. Looks just like the Epic flash

[@matthewtoohey9656]

Nice review again guys.

[@gregnichol8290]

Would like to see the clubspeed data, given the whole story around these drivers is shape in motion and how they are trying to make the head more aerodynamic than before, it seems like the obvious thing to look for when comparing. The faces have been maxed out for quite some time so the only gains in real terms by someone who strikes it reasonably consistently are going to come from either clubspeed or more optimized spin. Most other reviews dont seem to be picking up much of an improvement. I see McIlroy was saying hes all but certain he will be gaming SIM max this year as he likes it better.

[@clubchampionmedia]

we'll need to do further testing before making any conclusions about the clubhead speed improvements. Because camera based launch monitors at times can read different shaped heads slightly differently for clubhead speed, we can't know 100% yet what is the technology and what is the reading variance.

[@daylenmann1322]

I hope to se y’all do speedzone vs Speedback

[@BWen3]

Sim max is game changing. Love my g410 but I’m going to get this. So stable and so fast. I picked up club head speed and ball speed. Sim line is a MUST HIT!

[@NovaScene]

I have the same initial experience, game a G410 plus and love it but SIM Max was just a bit faster, felt really solid and I gained about 3mph of ballspeed that is a huge 1 generation gain. All I am concerned a bit is the low spin and not having the possibility to adjust CG location if my swing changes a bit..

[@nischroopram9948]

Try Stealth now lol

[@robbiles]

If I keep saying things bad about this SIM range I might just talk myself out of it. M5 is red and red goes faster. Fact. But SIM's blue. Dam it.

[@franks62591]

I just got selected by GOLFWRX to go to The Kingdom and get get for all new SIM woods! CANNOT WAIT!!

[@clubchampionmedia]

Enjoy!!

[@matthughes6379]

given the shorter time span between releases for TaylorMade, it would have been nice to have had M4 included again with M6 and SIM Max. In reality, it's 3 drivers in a 2 year span. Someone who hasn't upgraded equipment in 4-5 years might have a real opportunity to decide on best value.

[@rustyhill9588]

When Matt is testing clubs and drivers in particular, does he always use the Srixon XV? I'll be honest I have not noticed. Thanks Kerry

[@glovebox321]

Firstly, great video. Couple of questions? Are the club head speed numbers the same for both drivers? If so, what contributes to the ball speed increase seen in the SIM drivers when supposedly the M5/M6 with the speed injection ports took them to the limit?

[@neilclapperton6203]

Exactly what I was wondering👍

[@NovaScene]

Strike, strike is king. And probably SIM has better optimization of the whole package, resulting in better ball speeds.

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

NovaScene exactly if you square it everytime your ball speed will rise relative to a worse pattern with another club. All these clubs are too the limit now.

[@clubchampionmedia]

@Brandon we standardize the tests as much as possible, these results aren't because the SIM was hit with a more square clubface. M5/M6 may have been measured at the limit last year, but we didn't see them producing the ball speeds consistently that other top 2019 drivers did.

[@THEPlaidGamer]

Hey Ian, how is it that the driver is lower spinning and yet the MOI/forgivability is higher in it? I thought these were aspects that were correlated to one another. High Spin = High MOI/forgiveness ect Exciting stuff on the horizon for 2020! Keep up the fantastic work fellas

[@jackvliet]

Sorry for the late response, but a piece of MOI is how much the club "deflects"when you hit the ball. Imagine how much a fly swatter would deflect compared to a 2x4. But that's only a part of the moi data.

[@wallstreetoneil]

The SIM Max spin numbers look perfect for the better player but I wonder if they may be too low at 2100 vs 2400 for the Average Golfer. That may be my new driver this year.

[@clubchampionmedia]

important to remember I don't usually spin drivers very much, most people produce more spin

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

TXG Tour Experience Golf just a note but I’ve seen this is many different reviews that the spin is averaging quite a bit lower overall it seems.

[@clubchampionmedia]

100%, the new drivers are lower spin. Players may have to look into a higher loft, but just mentioning I'm not a high spin player so viewers don't assume the new stuff is too low spin for everyone

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

TXG Tour Experience Golf I get that and appreciate the note, just that I’ve noticed this among many different YT reviews which incorporates different swings, lofts, shafts, etc.

[@NovaScene]

@@BrandonGavin_EDC I saw a video of one reviewer spinning the SIM 1700 and other spinning it 3500. Neather of those are optimal for distance. That's why these are fitted, to get the most out of them. 👍🏻

[@ww-oo7ic]

It's almost time for another bracket challenge!

[@wadepreston3401]

Will be interesting to see comparisons this year. I have decided this year I am going buy a new driver. I have the first model of the M2. It has been a good driver. But is showing the wear and tear. I only carry a 90 mph swing, I will be looking for all the help I can get.

[@NovaScene]

Wow, Callaway done goofed, they didn't send you the early demos for Mavrik?!

[@clubchampionmedia]

hoping to get them very soon

[@NovaScene]

@@clubchampionmedia Just surprised and disappointed in Callaway that TXG didn't get it early as it seems like for example MGS has had Mavriks already for like a month.. btw. I know you guys are all for the best fitting and using exotic ($$$) shafts, but would you ever consider doing a 'fitting review' of the for example SIM drivers using the non up-charge shafts they have in the lineup? Because you guys know, pretty big part of your viewers can't pair a $500 driver with a real-deal Ventus Black. Like do a review of how good of a fitting you guys could do with the base options of a watered down Hzrdus Smoke Green and a Ventus Blue without a proper Velocore, shafts included in the price? Thanks guys for the content 👍🏻

[@clubchampionmedia]

Absolutely, we plan to do some videos on the best stock shaft offerings from various companies

[@sterlingjuarez]

TXG Tour Experience Golf reviews with stock options would be incredible. Additionally, I’d really be interested in a continuation of your series on retro fits. I bought TM790’s that I’m loving, but I live on an island and bought them from the only golf shop I know of. Their ‘fitting’ consisted of acknowledging that I need shorter shafts and/or flatter lies but they’re just telling me to grip down. It sounds like I basically need to fit myself. 🤷‍♂️

[@Chef523]

I would love to see more videos from these guys for someone with a driver swingspeed around 100mph. This is interesting but doesn't really apply to me as I can't generate that kind of speed. At my 95 mph SS for a driver if he picked up 9 yards total I would likely get 3-5 which wouldn't justify a $500+ spend on a new driver.

[@YeetMiskeet]

I know it’s a late response but I just picked up a sim and I saw a 10 yard gain from my m1 to sim max and it’s honestly insane for me

[@plus2golfer12]

I haven't found anything to replace my m3 yet but g410/speedzone were the two I was looking at but may have to look at sim as well once you guys compare it to those 2...I don't think it will keep up with them ball speed wise but hopefully I'm wrong because for 15 years TM was my entire bag and now the m3 is the lone Wolf and I hope to keep a TM club in my bag

[@paulshepherd27]

Yet another great couple of vids guys. Awesome knowledge and practical application. Personally I’d take Matty’s old or new swing 🤣 I’m still gaming my M3 with a 50g white Ozik. I’m all carry no run out spiny high flight...... surely the SIM is my answer? Still intrigued by the Cobra though.. compo video by any chance soon?

[@clubchampionmedia]

lots more comparison videos coming for sure!

[@charliepereira4837]

So if you have a m6 is it worth upgrading to sim max?

[@zacharymilos392]

Can't wait for the 2020 shoot out. Will this be the year my GBB Epic SZ gets replaced???

[@bgrritchiet]

Excellent review guys. What is the head weight of the Sim Max compared to the Titeilest TS1? I assume it is heavier.

[@JonathonAdam]

Can you guys do a comparison of the Taylormade M6 Hybrid vs Sim Msx Rescue? Would love to know the difference the V Steel technology makes.

[@andystone5493]

It’s obvious that Matt is a very consistent ball striker. Do you guys edit out any “bad” shots when cutting these videos together?

[@clubchampionmedia]

yes for sure, shots that are 100% due to a poor swing (i.e. not representing the club's performance) are removed from the data to keep it as standardized as possible

[@gatorwhiskers9011]

Will the SIM Max have different weights to insert in the back for fitting options?

[@chrisrichardson5309]

Loving the content, wondering what you consider the higher speed player. How fast is a higher speed player

[@nelsonjames1272]

Chris Richardson 120+ swing speed pro 110+ swing speed amateur.

[@banditbaker1675]

United bombed last night and today I am wrapped in a blanket suffering from possibly terminal "Man Flu", I am relying on you Guys to pull me through! MrsBandit has already got the Undertaker and Solicitor on Call-Back!!!!!

[@steinfonell4915]

hahahaha … quick point re the Devils. Feel your pain Bandit! And, against Man Shitty...

[@oldgold5848]

Shame about United Bandit ;).....

[@banditbaker1675]

@@oldgold5848 Oh the Irony lol

[@oldgold5848]

@@banditbaker1675 we were both poor at the weekend mate. Could still both be playing now and not have scored!

[@banditbaker1675]

@@oldgold5848 agreed both sets of players looked tired

[@isaiah9077]

11 months later and to see lefties test the clubs is a different feeling, everybody shoots right and it’s so painful to watch them test because it’s flipped

[@samhudson3319]

Do you get paid by tm? You're channel is great and all. Clearly the best one on golf equipment. But still makes me wonder..

[@clubchampionmedia]

no Sam, we don't get paid by TM or any manufacturer.

[@kenk4764]

Question : Can you post when new release clubs are available for fitting @ TXG. Based on Bandit's comments looks like you should have also written a Disclaimer for United FC

[@PbD187]

I still game the original M2 and I get on with it very well. It does everything I want it do. With that said would it be worth even looking at SIM or SIM Max?

[@clubchampionmedia]

worth a demo, not guaranteed to be better for you but seems likely you would get some kind of improvement

[@PbD187]

@@clubchampionmedia With the new Cobra line up coming out getting a deal on the F9 is very intriguing to me as well.

[@SvingitGolf]

If I was going to buy one of these drivers today. is it worth the extra $66 for the Sim Max?

[@brianmoreira1366]

Seeing the Ventus Blue and Red shaft offered with the SIM Max. I suspect this is not the same aftermarket Ventus shaft???

[@clubchampionmedia]

Correct, not the same.

[@Trygvehi]

Is the lower spin, because you hit more draw with the Sim vs M6

[@gw9189]

Great, there goes my M6 Driver! My poor wife

[@loganbarnes7804]

Never been a big fan of tm drivers, always thought that the toe looked a little folded open at address and just never liked the look behind the ball. I may have to get over that though and properly test it this year looks like it could be a contender to kick the ole ts3 out of the bag.

[@clubchampionmedia]

address look is much improved over last year in terms of face angle, sits more neutral now for sure. TS3 is a really good driver though, we're looking forward to testing it against the SIM along with the other current drivers on the market

[@loganbarnes7804]

TXG Tour Experience Golf excited to see that in the (hopefully) near future would be a very interesting video. Thanks for the quick reply and keep up the good work.

[@chachifeere]

how do you guys meet each other , have you always been friends?

[@michaelmangan]

In the bracket tests Sim Max only achieved 304.15 - yet here the averages are way higher. Why the discrepancy?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Was months apart

[@michaelmangan]

@@clubchampionmedia That reply makes no sense. Why should the date of test explain such variance in distance.

[@sarahthule3034]

Also the m6 goes way further in the test against the mizuno driver

[@banditbaker1675]

Just for clarification, you Guys are testing all 4 drivers with the full specification Ventus After Market shaft and you are not using the "built for" OEM version" that does not have the expensive materials like the After Market shaft?

[@clubchampionmedia]

correct, aftermarket Ventus black (borrowed from my G410lst) was used for all 4 drivers

[@banditbaker1675]

@@clubchampionmedia 👍 thanks Guys

[@michaelwilliamson3737]

Hi guys, was club head speed the same for each driver? Also, it almost looked like Matty faded one almost a whole metre!

[@clubchampionmedia]

😆 😆 was a real fade I think! Clubhead speed numbers were pretty close, we still can't say 100% if that aerodynamics feature is increasing speed or not. More testing to be done 👍

[@FlyboyAF22]

Comparison to the Callaway Epic Flash Sub-Zero w/14g weight in the front would be ideal :) Ian - Do you take trade-ins from recent fits with you?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jergernice1]

im ordering a speedzone or a sim driver. not so patiently waiting for your review of the speedzone.......when?

[@clubchampionmedia]

as soon as we get them in the shop

[@Arkslippy]

Great videos lads, two things, I can’t wait for Matt to putt the sims up against his g410 lst. Also I’ve watched a load of videos where Ian refers to Matt as “Mattie boi” and i just assumed it was a Scottish thing as we use it here in Ireland too. Didn’t realise that was Matts actual surname 🤭

[@clubchampionmedia]

😆 not quite my surname, it was a Scottish thing for sure

[@Arkslippy]

TXG Tour Experience Golf sorry, I thought I saw him typing it into the computer form one of the tests It’s not even close. But I’m going to name my g400 lst “Mattiboi”, I hit it just as far as you. But it just takes two hits.

[@mvmnt3scherzo]

Hey boys, would love to see the same style video with the epic flash/sz vs mavrik.

[@clubchampionmedia]

will be doing that 100%

[@Foregrlz]

Can we get 2016 M2 vs SIM MAX?

[@Jus4kiks]

Were the swing speeds the same for the M6 and Sim on this test?

[@TheBradleyp63]

I think I saw that Rory was testing the Max.

[@BretDouglas]

Nice driver, but it's no Cobra F9, is it?

[@greatestever2565]

"they almost look identical at address, EH!" lol

[@JacOb-tj8zs]

But what was the club speed for both clubs?? Ball speed for the sim doesnt matter if he swung 2mph faster for it

[@milanboskovic9618]

I would like to see SIM bs Cobra Biocell plus!!! And Speedzone vs Biocell plus for that matter. I feel like its time to switch, but I am yet to hit something that compares to Biocell plus, just can't miss a fairway...LOL

[@kevinspeight4664]

The BEST year for COBRA and Taylormade only.... in my opinion P.S. the F9 Cobra is the club to beat, BUt, BUT., Cobra Speed Zone fell short in my reviews???!!!🏌🏻🏌🏻🏌🏻🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️😎

[@Forumrida38621]

Does it feel as dead as the m5 though? Cause I like the dead sound/feel but the m5 IMO was way to dead feeling

[@clubchampionmedia]

feels/sounds a bit less muted

[@nickphillips2099]

Am I the only person who loves the look of TaylorMade drivers, but just can't seem to hit them at all? They all just look so open faced to me that I can't line it up or square it back up.

[@clubchampionmedia]

agree, M5 looked very open but SIM has corrected that this year

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

Nick Phillips I know if you change the loft it closes the face quite a bit. Maybe a small change would correct that issue for you as long as you could still get optimal performance.

[@nickphillips2099]

That's great to hear. I wanted to like M5 so much and I got one and played with the lofts as much as I could to shut the face and never could get it to. I didn't know whether to attribute that to the twist face or what.

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

Nick Phillips could be. I know many people have been liking the color scheme for these compared to the M5 at address. It may help please the eye that way as well.

[@blkugadawg35]

Alright gents have a test would like to see or a comparison of sim / sim max vs the m4 just for a knowledge

[@garydavis8213]

I’m confused. Same face. Essentially the same body. How could that new driver be 3 mph faster in ball speed? Is a slow swing speed guy (90) going to see a difference?

[@timjordan7673]

No and your wasting your money if you think this driver will give you more distance over last years drive. great Marketing looks like the Cobra Driver

[@sponger04]

Gary Davis I have the M5 swang the Sim & Sim max. Sim was too low of spin for me & not as forgiving. Sim Max is very forgiving & yes 5-10 yrds longer. Only time I change is when I see an improvement. Go check for yourself!

[@Stewwwwww]

Funny how Shiels didn’t find any difference between sim and m5. What would u take from that guys?

[@clubchampionmedia]

surprised a bit to see that, but we're still very early in testing stage so we couldn't yet conclude that the new drivers are going to be better for everyone - different swing deliveries and strike patterns are always going to get different results with various drivers

[@gametime5726]

Okay we need club speed and smash factor or this inconclusive.

[@bradthomson2699]

So sim max have more spin when it's meant to be the low spin driver of the two?

[@clubchampionmedia]

sim max is not meant to be the lower spin of the two, SIM standard is the lower spinning model

[@bradthomson2699]

@@clubchampionmedia ohh normally the plus, max, sub zero etc models are low spin, my bad

[@johnmcavera8923]

Please explain 124 club head speed 176 ball speed 311 carry 330 total with m6 that was in March.

[@clubchampionmedia]

working on swing changes, clubhead speed is down about 5-7mph over last year

[@Richkotite1]

I hope you can help me. I have a Rogue, i have struggled with it. I have had it at a few settings. Tends to be low and left. But I am all over the place. So I found a 2009 Burner in the garage and gave it a try this weekend. WOW...high, and long.. No mulligans!!! Most fairways it. This is a 10 year old driver. How is it possible that a 10 year old driver blows away current technology?

[@dangvu3006]

Exact same thing happened to me!! Struggled with Epic, pulled out the old Burner and boom!!! Thinking of SIM or M6, what did you end up with?

[@Richkotite1]

@@dangvu3006 I stayed with it for the rest of the season and it was just amazing. I will stay with it I don't think any of these new drivers can match it. I went to a range where I tried out a Titleist TS2 and this was a real range, not hitting into a screen...NO CONTEST....in fact I might look for another one.

[@Richkotite1]

@@dangvu3006 Still trying to determine, have a fitting scheduled next week. I think it will be Sim 2 Max

[@corylazart2407]

@7:37 you mentioned ping, are they releasing a new driver this year as well or are you referring to the g410 models from last year?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Yup referring to G410 models

[@OSCGOLF]

I’m 65, is it too late for me to get a swing like that? Sweet!

[@coolboysarb]

never too late

[@fritoboat13]

Mavrick is a fantastic set of clubs! The Max is nice, and the Sub Zero is a rocket ship

[@HabsFan64]

You guys will like the new Mavericks!!

[@clubchampionmedia]

Looking forward to testing!

[@HabsFan64]

@@clubchampionmedia Felt a bit head heavy, but still came in at D2. New Riptide was stable! At least for me.

[@paulkielwasser481]

Ping mentioned in year of the driver.... Hmmmmmm. New Max maybe????

[@TheOgieone]

Very good review!... also glad you touched on the pro's preferred face height.

[@noodle3872]

Lofting up may take SIM out of the running for me.

[@turbo2346]

Do the hybrids sim vs sim max 👍

[@jayfangRSA]

When I saw the "twist face" and "speed (actually slow) injection" tech was announced my immediate thought was to avoid the Taylormade drivers for a couple of generations. I'd rather they complete their engineering refinement cycle with 2 even 3 year releases rather than pushing slightly half-baked product on the public. I'm not a brand loyalist but Ping's reputation (hard won through results) does count for something in my club purchase decisions.

[@Deftard]

Looks almost identical at address, Eh. Yes!

[@plus2golfer12]

Idk man those numbers are very sub par to what I'm used to seeing from Matt unless he's just dialed it back

[@ianfrasergolf]

Plus2 Golfer he’s made some pretty significant swing changes recently. Trying to neutralize he club path as it was getting very in to out towards the end of last year.

[@plus2golfer12]

@@ianfrasergolf I gotcha... Sim max, g410 lst , speedzone that's the only 3 that can replace my m3 it was going to be g410 just waiting on eBay prices to drop a little lol

[@tubingtomtom]

Apples to apples

[@wayneball9079]

The other company’s will wanna hurry up and release their stuff before they’re left behind. People going to rush out and buy this for sure

[@skylarsteel91]

Ugh.... I’ve tried to stay away from taylormade drivers for years, you two aren’t helping