Drift Car Suspension Setup - How It Works! (Everything You Need To Know)

[@thedestroyer3262]

"Tech talks w/Taylor" Should be a series.

[@Duarteesi]

you're way too underated as a youtuber man. You have fire content , sick builds and very very informative videos. It's actually not that common to find a youtuber that does all that and actually knows how to properly explain how stuff works. Thanks for this video Taylor I learned a lot from it

[@coleriding6671]

Completely agree man. Thank you Taylor for always going the extra mile and keeping it real!!

[@S_T_R_Y_X_X]

FACTS

[@14sxn]

so truuu

[@BOOSTx_x]

Edirry4 I completely agree

[@emi9643]

ttttyt, i love this, im saving this video. Please make more ttttyt, make this a series, i dont care what you talk about, just teach me stuff, i could listen to you talk for literally hours

[@living.sideways]

this is probably the best drift alignment video out there!

[@Backwardsboi24]

I don’t think there’s a better person to explain this then you, your experience, knowledge and explanations are so great! So glad we finally got this video that really showcases that and helps me and I’m sure many more people learn!

[@Freeman_AF]

I just had a discussion with someone yesterday that insisted you didn't want grip in the rear for drifting. Thanks for the in depth breakdown! You were able to vocalize what I was not.

[@lb9gta307]

Man, I was just looking at the comments on a video of drift cars warming their tires on Hot Rod Magazine's IG. Even with Forsberg explaining what's going on they're still saying "But it's understeering. It should be set up to oversteer."

[@nathanlewis5782]

Psh. when you're getting sideways, who needs control?

[@odye30]

I am sure that everybody is on their garage at the moment trying to fix their suspension set up. Great video Taylor!! Greetings from Greece!

[@pastaalalamborghini]

Great explanation. Being able to effectively communicate a technical topic with out coming off douchey and with out using a bunch of jargon shows you have a high level of experience and knowledge of the topic. Well done, I subscribed because of this video EDIT - and TTTTYT is funny and you should run with it Another EDIT - Props for also being able to do this while basically talking to yourself, its so easy to get lost on tangents and stray from the actual topic while explaining technical stuff you're passionate about.

[@Taylordrifts]

Thank you! This was a really nice comment to read I’m glad you liked it. I’ve wanted to do videos like this for awhile because I know how little I knew when I started out and I’ve learned so much over 8-10 years of doing this from a lot of great people and if I can help someone jump the first few steps of trying to figure it out it gets them driving and progressing faster.

[@jolti9535]

this is gonna help me tune the pro cars in AC so much better

[@dreamdrifts4275]

Super informative and not boring either! Which can be a hard task to accomplish; well done! I'd be interested to hear you talk about the other suspension settings like dampening and preload/rebound as well. I threw my coilovers in my Z three years ago and haven't touched them since other than ride height and dampening so I appreciate you sharing your knowledge!

[@isaacsellers4757]

Liking the nerd info, I already know what most of the terminology, but I like talking about specific setups and tech stuff. Great vid Taylor, keep up the good work

[@rattelmanmotors5266]

sooooo underrated this man is so smart learned so much from this vid

[@scorn86]

ttttyt series! do it!

[@JifeLacket]

TTT

[@dobbzmotorsport3939]

Great video man! Your videos are always super informative, definitely going to watch the coilover vid. Its crazy how tuning in video games has taught me, through trial and error, all of the things you've explained here. Its also interesting to explain to people not used to drift tuning that you essentially set it up for understeer characteristics, which is counter-intuitive initially. (hard front, soft rear springs, stiff front A.R.B., soft rear, etc). I also like to run toe out in the front, helps at full angle with those situations where you may over rotate, to get it back (backies etc) Cheers!

[@beepboopbyKC]

This is one of the best videos I've watched on youtube, thanks so much Taylor! Keep up the great work. Learned a ton from this, as someone genuinely interested in learning as much as possible about suspension and theory.

[@cfoadventures6210]

Everyone hit that like button and get Taylor all the traffic! This video is so informative and awesome!

[@nathanlewis5782]

Smh. This should have more views. Nice work man!

[@mickstrick_91]

Brilliant video man, its something I've asked you about before so thanks for taking the time to make this! Specifically having the comments on what each adjustment actually does for the cars feel which is the main thing I wonder about! More in this series would be awesome if there's other stuff you could do, even doing welding? Main things being the things you learned that you found make huge improvements in your welding as you learned. For me it was an autodimming helmet and watching the weld pool to really gauge penetration which I figured out myself as no tutorials I watched had even mentioned this. Overall I'm loving the videos, please don't go too commercial like Adam :(

[@hoosierhoodrats7684]

Definitely more videos like this! Good job!

[@COSMICKID1235]

Tutor Time With Taylor is my favorite time.

[@kyleupchurch6822]

Taylor Thank you for having videos over 10 minutes!

[@Eggx86]

I cannot tell you How HAPPY I Am to Hear This!!!!!!!!

[@wanazim39]

Good content bro. You made it easy for non tech background peeps to understand. Keep it up!

[@ihatepinkfloyd]

Best video yet! Watched and rewatched every second of it, if I could like it 100 times, I would. Make more

[@jordanmelville1]

Loved this video on how you explained I definitely took notes watching to remember can’t wait for the coilover video 😮👀🚘💨

[@dmvchannel3280]

This is intense! I am working on my first LS Miata. I have so much to learn. Thank you!

[@EastSlideKillah]

literally everything I been spitting knowledge to my little brother that wants to get into this life Good shit dude to have on the webs

[@jamietoolin8352]

Gonna need an off seasons type edit from you with the Miata

[@86Spain]

im just sitting here taking notes superb content! subed right away

[@Jamesfurtado128]

This makes me so wxcited for the next drift day.

[@zachprieur7890]

Great info here! Also the bind in the steering shaft makes a lot of sense cause that restriction is multiplied by the hydraulic advantage.

[@leodriscoll2929]

As in depth this is, I am surprised you never talked about steering acumen, and how it can affect handling. Great job explaining how it all works though, very helpful.

[@TankRust]

I think you mean Ackermann! But yes, a mention of that would have been good.

[@xSOFAxKiNGxBAKEDx]

Thanks for this info!!! Im going crazy getting my 350z how i want it...i love you long time for this one man!!!!

[@JeffMendoza]

I'm happy you found the source of friction in your steering. I'm setting up by BC's on my IS300, this is great help, thanks.

[@Dabagel100]

ikr, that would have driven me crazy

[@CraigDoesDrift]

Great vid bud! Will be watching it again for sure, probably while lying under my car working out what the hell i’m doing 🤦‍♂️

[@David_Dcal]

Great video Taylor extremely informative! I vote for more of these particularly your Z specs.

[@lucianosenisi4323]

Please do more of these videos it's so helpful and I learned alot

[@ambrosepearce413]

Great info Taylor, thank you! I don't know if you noticed this or not. The gold flake in your car causes all reflections to be yellow. It makes me think of the grassroots Japanese drift cars with yellow headlights. When I was young I wasn't a fan, but the have growing on me. I seen a video of guys drifting Dodge vans in Japan. One of the vans had yellow headlights. For some reason or another I feel in love with it. Maybe you should tint your headlights yellow. I think it would look good with your paint.

[@jamietoolin8352]

Loved the video. Very knowledgeable and informative! 10/10 would watch more like it

[@MatheusSartor23]

Congrats for the awesome content! 👏👏Drift driver from Brazil

[@disuye]

Excellent video mate - super informative, do more of these knowledge blasts!

[@duber1r6]

TONS OF GREAT INFO MAN! VERY WELL DONE!

[@hooptyshondasandhairpins4541]

the opening was def funny bud i got a giggle out of it

[@ZPDrift]

Good video man. Chasing grip in my S15 at this moment and this helped . Cheers !

[@blakehoskins9293]

Great video man, thoroughly enjoyed it. Keep it up.

[@Scott-Tim]

Absolutely loved it! I don’t drive a car that’s capable of drifting(ep3), but, I have a hand full of friends that love the sport. I continually watch your feed just to learn a new aspect of the car game. Thanks so much for the content. #letherriptaterchip

[@zero3nnafpv136]

can you show how you would align it on the track with "basic" alignment tools? great video!

[@ArodPR]

I like this kind of videos thank you!

[@MrFoulksy]

So happy you fixed it man. Time to rip it.

[@josselinledent9633]

Waiting for coilover video now :D very very very interested in valving !

[@thunderbirdizations]

10:55 does it make sense to shorten the upper front control arms, and relocate the inner mounting point outwards? Would that reduce roll? It’s probably mess up your grip when you do roll though

[@715101]

Sweet thanks I was going to ask for a vid on this on the Miata... I didn't and you delivered anyway🤔

[@jaluna06]

Awesome man. Glad you found the issue. Tons and tons of great info. Thanks for sharing.

[@waynelim9866]

Exactly what I wanted to find for a while now, thanks for the information! Edit: (Subed!)

[@dumkaz0r]

Please TTTTYT series!

[@MrTheTwiggy]

Excellent video. More of this please.

[@MrNicoe36cabrio]

Wow, great explanation Taylor. Thanks for that!

[@haufperformance]

Did you make a video on that front sway bar mount spacer?

[@DAMDIndustries]

I just switched to 14k rears on my M3, it has a horrible ratio of like .42 so my 14k rears turned into ~6k. balanced well with the 8k fronts at .9ish!

[@TeamLovetap]

Awesome video man!

[@AvilesSkatez88]

been watching for so long man, my brother and i watch the vids all the time, love the work man keep that shii up !!

[@SK8R6593]

Great info!!! Do you think you can give some info on setting up damping on coil overs?

[@lynnmckenney1987]

Insanely informative! If you were looking to setup a car for (non competitive) drifting, but also drive to events, would you find the perfect drift suspension setup and soften it by a %? Or would something like the bc ds series be a happy medium? *I ask because I'm looking to pickup a drift car soon, but will have to drive it to events and have had back surgery. I can't really handle a 4 hr drive + drifting + another 4 hr drive on an insanely hard suspension anymore 🥲*

[@patrykkowalski6]

can you do advanced suspension? like when and how to adjust dampers? or what do i adjust when car nice and smooth but snaps into big angle easy and drives shitty when at big angle where is drives really good when at shallow angle

[@gorka7509]

3:58 I'm kinda confused here, because I can never figure out an answer to this question for my application... I'm drifting an e36 325i on stock power. Long story short, the rulebook for my class says NA cars up to 2.8L (only engines that came in the chassis), only engine mods allowed are int/exh and ecu, can't change suspension and steering geometry at all, we are only allowed to swap coils/springs (coilovers allowed obviously) Should I aim for a setup that is really easy to slide or should I still go for rear grip? This car makes 180 crank tops...

[@gorka7509]

Also I should clarify that I mostly won't be drifting with r-comps and I run around 205-225 tires

[@toad2039]

What are you thoughts on air suspension for drifting

[@joelslifeofcars7221]

Awesome video thank you I love this sort of stuff

[@laurentnikitin-drift534]

GREAT ! Was please for 35minutes even if I did the same tutorial video myself. Little things that make your experience even better! Just a kinda noob question, When you say a quarter inch of toe or else, where do you measure it physically?

[@BOOT]

Good info, learned a lot bout drift setup

[@derx6666]

Great content as always

[@deliverydude7359]

For the old subs... IM TAYLOR RAY AND THIS IS CLUB BRAINDEAD!!❤❤❤

[@jetsmini]

Snappy snappiness 😂 love it

[@dr.dodrugs8963]

Hey bro just a thought of mine. If you upgrade the rear sway bar (you know what that'll do,) couldn't you keep the 4k springs?

[@dr.dodrugs8963]

shoulda watched 5 minutes further lol nvm

[@ROGUESPIRIT_]

what about damper settings front rear struts?

[@stephanmurphy7947]

All the gripz!!!

[@caseybaker5550]

Seriously want more ttttyt. That was a lot of info

[@caseybaker5550]

I feel genuinely appreciated as a viewer.

[@caseybaker5550]

Also I am editing together my first video right now and I seriously want to thank you for talking to me at formula drift Seattle last year. You were super cool to talk to and made me feel like you can still be a sociable human being while being a youtuber. Don't really know why I felt that way about the concept of being a youtuber but basically you inspired me to make videos so I can eventually make my hobby and what I love doing into a career. Thank you Taylor Ray for being as cool as you are and making such good honest content.

[@Pochodrifter]

Taylor you forgot to explain the dampening adjuster on the top of the coilover or do miatas not have that, idk I don’t own a one.

[@fastballfilms4214]

I smell a TTTTYT merch incoming

[@impossible36]

what if the na8 is stock engine, will u still go for most grip set up at rear?

[@Jason-os6tx]

So an e46 would have a 1:1 ratio in front for spring rates but in the rear the wheel would have more leverage making the spring rate lower?

[@Taylordrifts]

Yeah rear is near .5

[@klayless9655]

Does anyone know if cut truck suspension would work on a drift car because it needs stiffer suspension?

[@curlyfry7331]

Now I can have sick set ups on my cars on Car X drift racing lol

[@WookieeWubz]

I thought the rule of thumb was if you’re under steering too much and can’t get the rear end out then remove front sway bar or stiffen rear springs? It works for bmw z axel multi link suspensions.

[@bigdfitness5020]

Thoughts on removing or disconnecting the front sway bar on a bone stock E90? Car feels like it has a lot of understeer.... I know I know, I need to upgrade everything, but as it currently sits for a free mod, would removing the front bar help me?

[@offsetgarage899]

Awesome vid!! 🔥 im starting drifting and i don’t know where i can go to practice. where do you go??

[@TheDimeogod]

Ben looks so funny in your ride along. Reminds me of Mr bean on the roller coaster haha

[@KSIXRIDER]

Would increasing the compression dampening (if externally adjustable) assist in the intial front drive?

[@natericker6826]

I have a 6 speed 350z and am looking for some good coilovers that I can take to to track for drifting but will give a somewhat smooth ride on the streets what would you recommend ?

[@dr.dodrugs8963]

Toe in also helps with going straight..

[@scottmoore6131]

Watch out for that snap steer Taylor! I still think it’s an awesome car! Yeah buddy! Caster is your friend!

[@blairo15]

G'day mate. I have a question. Here in Australia.... Home of the metric system we still rate suspension springs and valve springs in lbs per inch of compression. How does that match up to what ever system you guys use?

[@111dontworry]

If any of you want to test what will happen if you change certain set ups, use a racing sim or forza even. Want to see what negative camber in the front will do to your car? Max it out on forza on a car that you've driven, take it on the track and see how it reacts. This will at least get you in the ball park of how things will react while under load and at different settings. Taylor, I wish I could pick your brain about suspension all day lol.

[@AndrewWolboldt]

So If you need to add spacers to the front wheels to clear stuff does that change motion ratio by a lot or is it still pretty close to .7?

[@ROGUESPIRIT_]

If im running kendas in the rear do i want to run them in the front as well or is it good for me to go up to an advan or something along those lineS?

[@Epok97]

TTTTYTYT: Taylor Tries To Teach You Things on KZbin.

[@Skiid.row.]

I got the silvers neomax with the true one piece coils in the rear on my e46 with their out of the box spring rates at 12k front and 10k rear and it rides like complete dog poop in the rear. I mean, anything more than a minor bump in the road and i feel like the rear end wants to launch me into outer space. Ive tried messing with more and less preload and with the damping all the way from soft to hard and still wants to launch me out of the car which is wierd because everybody swears by the 12/10 combo. By what im understanding, i should have went with a way softer spring in the rear since the position of the spring has been changed. Any info would be appreciated.

[@ArchOfficial]

10/12 might be fine with an independent spring and damper setup, because the motion ratio of the spring is relatively low. I don't know what exactly it is on E46's, but I believe it's around 0.65 or so. It's because the spring is mounted on an arm, more inwards from the hub. The front spring is mounted on the strut which is attached to the hub, so it's commonly more like 0.9 to 1.0. So a 12k spring will be close to 12k on your front wheel, but a 10k spring will not be 10k on the rear wheel. If you changed to a true coil-over, the motion ratio has now been changed closer to 1.0, because the spring moves closer to how the wheel moves. It might be something like 0.95 instead of 0.65. Wheelrate is found via Springrate * (Instantaneous motion ratio * Average motion ratio), or just MR^2 usually works for an approximation. So let's do some math: 117720 N/m x 0.95^2 = 106242.3 N/m front wheelrate. Of course strut's motion ratio depends a lot on the angles but let's say this is an average. 98100 N/m x 0.65^2 = 41447.25 N/m rear wheelrate. The front has over twice the effective wheelrate! Now let's try the coilover with the same springs. 98100 N/m x 0.95^2 = 88535.25 N/m rear wheelrate. As you see, changing to a coilover setup more or less 2x your actual real effective wheelrates. Roadcars often try to keep the wheelrates pretty even, usually because the front has more load over it, which means the ride frequency will be lower in the front, and you get a bit of "flat ride". RWD racecars will want the rear soft for grip, but also IMO when you start to approach these kind of high wheelrates, you either want HIGHER rear frequency, so put a STIFFER spring on, to get flat ride which will lessen that jerk you feel when driving over a bump (Because the axles settle in order, and don't interfere with each other as much) or you might want the rear softer (Like if you weren't mounting the 10k spring on a coilover, but the OEM setup) so that the actual jolt is smaller. Right now you're in a very awkward spot where the rear isn't soft enough to minimize the felt forces, but you also don't have any flat ride, so the axles interfere with each other when you drive over bumps, giving you that sensation of being jerked around. Don't take my word for it, but I think you might need either a 10k spring in the front, or a 12k spring in the rear. You will need to balance it back out with stabilizers if the handling is too loose. Also, make sure you're not too low and have enough stroke! It can also be a bumpstop impact on the coilover when hitting a big enough bump. Perhaps your bumpstops are too long? My 0,02.

[@robevans3980]

Great video. Way too much bolting on Parts and not enough making them work properly going on in amateur Motorsports. Great work explaining.

[@Rusiputki]

You ever been to autotest/gymkhana and so on?.... Nobody ever shares their technical knowledge and "secrets". Now compare to sports, say going to table tennis and you will have 10 people telling you how to improve, technique, muscle memory etc...

[@Skatinsince1997]

I always like toe out in the front, I feel like the car turns in quicker.

[@jfulleton]

Love your videos Taylor - Thanks for providing us with such great content!

[@1paizart]

Super useful info. Thanks