When you looking to buy a TCL and comparing it to other TV's please keep this in mind. I have the first gen of the 6series TCL when they introduced QLED. They have updated the firmware every year and it looks better than the day I bought it. Truly a great company.
@AR-ki7hgКүн бұрын
Do you keep your brightness at 100 and will that wear out tv quicker?
@vendoooza1621 сағат бұрын
@AR-ki7hg my bright varied but mostly kept at 100, tbh I think you're more likely to want to upgrade before you ever see any significant wear and tear on the tv.
@stuckintheinbetweenАй бұрын
I'm so happy TV manufacturers are opting for stands again.
@paulmoadibe9321Ай бұрын
me too... I hate those little cheap legs...
@Mjaybird2 ай бұрын
I have this tv and I enjoy it, great tv for the price. I used your white balance 2 point and it looks a lot better
@RTINGSdotcomАй бұрын
Happy to hear you're enjoying it and that we were able to help! 😄
@anulearntechАй бұрын
As per Stop the FOMO, the Hisense U7N has the extra brightness the others don't, but it achieves this at the cost of tone mapping and contrast as it often clips brighter areas and even skin-tones.
@garrysohal1565Ай бұрын
I’ve heard Hisense is baddd
@handlemoniumКүн бұрын
And watch out: only the 75-inch versions of the U8N/U7N/U6N are IPS panels with optimal viewing angles. You don't have to worry about that with the TCL QM7 and Samsung Q80C since all sizes have satisfactory viewing angles.
@anulearntechКүн бұрын
@@handlemonium I bought the C805/C755 which is a QLED VA panel (not sure what's the American equivalent of it QM7/QM8 or something else). My dilemma about Hisense vs TCL ended when I learnt about numerous QC and existing flash problems of Hisense rendering their TVs unusable, which users have expressed and these issues reviewers hardly tell as they never own the devices long enough.
@handlemoniumКүн бұрын
@@anulearntech so that's Hisense or TCL you're hearing more long term issues about?
@anulearntechКүн бұрын
@@handlemonium Hisense has more quality control issues as per consumer feedback than TCL. Hence I went with TCL and even otherwise TCL holds its own when it comes to feature set, android etc.
@cw0929Ай бұрын
Bought this before the reviews started to hit as I wanted to take advantage of the July prime day discount. Absolutely pleased with its performance especially for the price.
@RTINGSdotcomАй бұрын
Happy to hear it! 😄
@Derek_DkickzАй бұрын
I got this TV 2 weeks ago in a 65 inch It is awesome. Also got last year‘s Q7 in a 75 inch It is also a great TV.
@emmcee476Ай бұрын
Is there any noticeable difference in picture quality between the two?
@jasonkidd1689Ай бұрын
@emmcee476 Yes. Both produce a very sharp picture. The QM7 gets nuclear bright compared to the Q7. I agree that the Q7 has better contrast on certain things over the QM7. On the other hand the QM7s brightness made certain movies I watched on blu ray looked incredibly good. I watched Avatar way of water on both and it looked great on both but the QM7 took it to another level.
@emmcee476Ай бұрын
@@jasonkidd1689 that's very helpful. Thanks 👍
@Kryptic104622 күн бұрын
I just got one of these last week and it is a great TV. The picture quality is astounding for the price.
@AR-ki7hgКүн бұрын
Is your brightness at 100 all the time? will this diminish the lighting sooner?
@EhNothingАй бұрын
When you said "...TCL said the model range has up to 1500 dimming zones. For our European viewers..." I legit thought you were about to translate that figure to metric....
@farren7254Ай бұрын
Same 😂
@farren7254Ай бұрын
I don’t blame you cause I’m so used to the “cheeseburgers per freedom” unit getting converted to sensible numbers all the time!! lol
@kenlee1271Ай бұрын
Is this c805/c755? In Taiwan, the 75-inch model only has 640 dimming zones.
@barulicksama3838Ай бұрын
@@kenlee1271no it's not. It's different models.
@kenlee1271Ай бұрын
@@barulicksama3838 oh oh I see.Thanks for your reply.
@RedUnited30Ай бұрын
Got this tv a few weeks ago when Best Buy had a great sale. Used your calibration settings and it looks amazing! Huge upgrade on my 10 y/o Samsung. Very pleased with the tv.
@nigma195Ай бұрын
Where can I find their calibration settings?
@RedUnited30Ай бұрын
@@nigma195 on their website with the tv review, scroll down to calibration. Click the link. It’ll take you to their settings
@deanmoriarty1519Ай бұрын
Did you ever find the calibration video ? @@nigma195
@AR-ki7hgКүн бұрын
Do you keep brightness at 100 all the time? Is it bad for the tv.
@mikek5958Ай бұрын
I just bought the QM7 online at Best Buy on sale for $499 ($300 off the regular price!). Picking it up tomorrow and looking forward to getting it set up and calibrated. Thank you so much for the great content, I have used Rtings reviews for quite some time now and have always been very impressed with your knowledgeable reviews and attention to detail, keep up the great work!
@Gwrightproductions1Ай бұрын
I did the same thing in July. I traded the q7 in for it and it's AMAZING. Calibrate it to your liking and enjoy 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@fanta10429 күн бұрын
how is it?
@mikek595829 күн бұрын
@@fanta104I absolutely love it. Its a breeze to set up, very responsive, intuitive, the remote glows when you pick it up, loaded with apps, etc. Just watched Guardians of the Galaxy again in 4K Imax and was blown away by how good it looked.
@chembsajin52355 күн бұрын
@@Gwrightproductions1mate, how significant are the differences between q7 and qm7?
@damontroch4765Ай бұрын
Out of the box accuracy might be off. But no one would ever notice other then its a bit too red. But a few adjustments with the 2 point white balance fixed it . And it looks amazing even against my X90L.
@anulearntechАй бұрын
How does this one compare in summary to the Sony X90L in overall sense? Thanks. I had heard only praises about the Sony.
@omarlora160Ай бұрын
Out of the box it was terrible after calibration it was phenomenonal it def competes with sony Samsung and LG
@pluvseАй бұрын
How is motion handling on the TCL QM8?
@jaskarnsingh606s24 күн бұрын
Would you recommend this over the Samsung q80d?
@indexartcenter9671Ай бұрын
How does one go about calibrating this tv? :)
@anulearntechКүн бұрын
I bought the C805/C755 which is a QLED VA panel (not sure what's the American equivalent of it QM7/QM8 or something else). My dilemma about Hisense vs TCL ended when I learnt about numerous QC and existing flash problems of Hisense rendering their TVs unusable, which users have expressed and these issues reviewers hardly tell as they never own the devices long enough.
@mamg2042Ай бұрын
Allways doing a great job..!!
@RTINGSdotcomАй бұрын
Thank you so much 😄
@andreatilli62272 ай бұрын
Is the TCL QM8B in Italy the same model as the QM8 you reviewed? Cause for some reason it's much cheaper than alternatives here
@amirshabani98862 ай бұрын
Its not,it is a totally different tv!
@andreatilli62272 ай бұрын
@@amirshabani9886why they make it so complicated for consumers i wonder..
@andreatilli62272 ай бұрын
Why they make it so complicated and anti-consumer i wonder
@amirshabani98862 ай бұрын
@@andreatilli6227 i wonder too
@sirmonkey1985Ай бұрын
QM8B is a mid/high model from '23. the one you're looking for is the TCL C85.
@scottivlow996217 сағат бұрын
Hi everyone since you have QM7 and the U8N I would still like to see a comparison video that would be a good match up for the 55" size. There isn't one. I think there should be one that really shows the differences.
@zerorequiem4217 күн бұрын
Qm7 at $500 seems like the best deal for a 55" tv. Period.
@Orillah9 күн бұрын
Yes for this price definitely worth it. Unfortunately I can't find it cheaper than 900 $ in my region 😢
@mcmathayusАй бұрын
So other then OLED which tv is recommended being best over all
@blane23725 күн бұрын
I think when you do your final recommendations about this TV vs another, you should also specify that the color accuracy point should be graded on a curve based on personal preference. Sure the U7N has better color accuracy out of the box, but if the QM7 is brighter and has more vibrant colors, that is more pleasing to some eyes. I personally prefer punchier colors over accuracy.
@davaydosvidoss763Ай бұрын
Hi, I have a c755 model on the market, is it an analog of this model? Please write the model analogues in different markets
@warvilion10112 күн бұрын
Not a c755. Yes C765
@marct958726 күн бұрын
So, if you don't want to do a bunch of calibration, go for the QM8?
@Gwrightproductions1Ай бұрын
I have and LOVE this tv
@hunterscrackdealer6650Ай бұрын
How does the TCL QM7 compared to the Samsung QN90D? I have the QM7 in 75”… but was debating on the QN90D in 65” but it’s $300 more… trying to see if it’s worth the $300 increase in price
@ManuueelAparicioАй бұрын
Whats the difference between this one and the QM741G?
@larryhoffman7471Ай бұрын
I'd be interested in your recommendations when it comes to 75” size. In that size, please rate the TCL QM7 and QM8 and the Hisense U8N and U7N. All 2024 models. We’ll be wanting one of those 4 and hope to enjoy it for a few years.
@dgillies5420Ай бұрын
Right now on sale on amazon the price difference at 75" is $300 more for the QM8 ($998 vs $1300). The QM8 gets a little brighter but I think the QM7 is plenty bright in most situations! It's clear they have the same media engine because all the ratings of both TVs starting at Low-Quality Content Smoothing to the end of the review are IDENTICAL, it's just the screen's glossy finish/reflectivity and terrible out-of-box calibration that hurts the QM7 A LOT, and the latter is FIXABLE. Sound is actually worse on the QM8 ... I think at this price differential, the QM8 isn't offering an extra $300 of value - 80,000:1 contrast vs. 160,000:1 contrast is probably difficult to distinguish without a computer, 2000 nits content (to utilize the QM8) is rare (1 in 20 movies), and only in the brightest spot in the entire house could the QM8 be considered for purchase ... For Me, HiSense is automatically disqualified because of the poor quality & longevity of their products, which is never considered by rtings.com, but is widely known - just ask chatgpt or read the recent article in consumer reports, Hisense is LAST in TV quality, it's not even close ...
@jarathen1625Ай бұрын
I was all set to get the QM7 in 65” when I went to Best Buy and the Q7 was $400 cheaper. That was way too much of a discount not to pounce on it.
@KylekluesenerАй бұрын
That's where I'm at right now. Choosing between the 65" Q7 and the QM7 at Best Buy. Q7 is $699 on sale and QM7 is $1099 not on sale right now so the Q7 is the obvious choice, but then I found out that last month the Q7 was 599 and the QM7 was 699 so I'm wondering if I should wait for them to go back on sale for those prices again.
@jarathen1625Ай бұрын
@@Kylekluesener Never hurts to wait. I needed to pull the trigger on one TV at the time so I did, but I could definitely see waiting for the QM7.
@friendlytoad6534Ай бұрын
Funny it was the opposite for me in canada. The q7 was 999 and the qm7 in 65 was on sale 400 dollars off for 1100. So I spent the extra 100 and got the qm7
@chembsajin52355 күн бұрын
@@friendlytoad6534went to bestbuy today and couldnt find any offers. Moreover, majority of the bestbuys in toronto don't seem to have tcl high end models for display! It's frustrating
@paulsouders34893 күн бұрын
Write now q7 is only $100 cheaper at bestbuy
@StromBugSlayerАй бұрын
I just recently purchased a 55" TCL QM751 which is VERY similar (visually indistinguishable, but with a lower refresh rate) to one of the models in the Korean report on a lack of QDs in TCL tvs. Do we know if the three in the report were the only models tested, or did others pass? I hope someone will test the color spectrum of models sold in the US to determine if they have suitable levels of QDs. I'm liking the TV so far, although managing the picture settings between sources and picture modes is awkward and frustrating.
@MaharionPendragonАй бұрын
What do you mean by "power cycle"? Just switch it off and on again?
@Abubaker42Ай бұрын
In Canada the price of the QM7 is equivalent to the U8N, I wanted to buy TCL QM8 but it was way more expensive than the U8N.
@ludovicinkel9670Ай бұрын
And which one are the beat between both one ? Qm7 or U8 ?
@Abubaker42Ай бұрын
@@ludovicinkel9670 I bought the U8N
@chembsajin52355 күн бұрын
@@Abubaker42how is it?
@Abubaker424 күн бұрын
@ I am satisfied it’s not perfect thought I have the 75” ADS PRO IPS panel, the viewing angle are good, blooming is present in dark scenes and there is noticeable banding on low bit content. Overall I am satisfied with my purchase and this is coming from a Sony A80J oled, this tv is pretty impressive for the price. I hope this helped.
@chembsajin52354 күн бұрын
@Abubaker42 thanks mate! I currently own a 40 inch tcl 3 series😅 I guess it would be a great purchase for me in that case. And since you have already seen the picturisation produced by an oled, when you say it's impressive then it really must be a good buy for someone like me who is coming from an old tv series.
@dgillies5420Ай бұрын
12:07 there is an error at this point in the video, you say that the HiSense has better contrast, did you mean better dynamic contrast? Because the native contrast rating of the TCL (8261:1) is higher than Hsense(4771:1), and the barchart measures average (80% dynamic 20% native) which gives TCL (68%) an edge vs Hisense (58%).
@paulcox244721 күн бұрын
No one cares about native contrast. It's not 2003 and literally every LCD worth owning come with local dimming functions.
@MrTunney3Ай бұрын
Great review 👍
@user-iq334Ай бұрын
I bought Q7 because it was $250 CAD cheaper, did I made a right choice? U7 was also a $150 more expensive.
@AkotosiTyАй бұрын
Is This c755 on other countries?
@michaelwyckoff7593Ай бұрын
Hey Abby, this looks like one of those so, so TVS. If you are a average Joe consumer then this QM7 would be a decent TV for them. I would save up a little bit more and go the QM851G which I've heard is a awesome TV for a little more money. i believe the QM851G has even been on sale lately and it may be further reduced in price by Black Friday and the holiday season.😊
@RTINGSdotcomАй бұрын
You're right that the QM8 is definitely the better TV for almost everything, if you can find it at a good discount then it's worth it!
@stuckintheinbetweenАй бұрын
Best Buy just had the 65" version of the QM7 for $599 a few weeks back, and I'm sure they'll have it again going into the holidays (55" was $499). There's no TV that competes with this in that price range.
@michaelwyckoff7593Ай бұрын
@@stuckintheinbetweenyou are probably right about that. But it's getting close to Black Friday so I'd hold off until then and see what the QM851G is going for.The reviewers have been highly praising the QM851G.😊
@dgillies5420Ай бұрын
Right now the price difference at 75" is $300 more for the QM8. The QM8 gets a little brighter but I think the QM7 is plenty bright in most situations! It's clear they have the same media engine because all the ratings of both TVs starting at Low-Quality Content Smoothing to the end of the review are IDENTICAL, it's just the screen's glossy finish/reflectivity and terrible out-of-box calibration that hurts the QM7 A LOT, and the latter is FIXABLE. Sound is actually worse on the QM8 ... I think at this price differential, the QM8 isn't offering an extra $300 of value - 80,000:1 contrast vs. 160,000:1 contrast is probably difficult to distinguish without a computer, 2000 nits content (to utilize the QM8) is rare, and only in the brightest spot in the entire house could the QM8 be considered for purchase ...
@84jdgregory29 күн бұрын
You’re telling me the flagship model is better than the midrange model?
@paulsouders3489Ай бұрын
I have a Samsung q70r 75" and 65 from some years back. I hate the thought of buying another brand lol but im looking at this TV in 85" and or today at bestbuy is the last day sale for a tcl q6 98" I wondering if I get the q6 98" if I will be Disappointed im kinda thinking I won't with the qm7 or should I wait until black Friday 🤔??
@arianadonis409921 күн бұрын
If you're gaming...how is the Hisense better if you got jutters on only 60hz??
@endwalker215713 күн бұрын
Is this the same as TCL C755 in other countries? (I'm in Southeast Asia). Thanks!
@vicmackey882 ай бұрын
When comparing the QM7 to the U7N at 75" would you still recommend the U7N using an ADS panel? It seems it impacted the U8N 75" recommendation. Thanks
@kamilss173215 күн бұрын
Hello, I want to buy this TV, but in Poland I found a model called TCL C765 (55MQLED 85) is it the same model as TCL QM7? I checked the specifications and they are the same, but I'm not sure if these are the same TVs
@x-4relaxationmusic18114 күн бұрын
Also from Poland, it’s the same tv
@romadmike112 күн бұрын
@@x-4relaxationmusic181 looks like it's the same in Romania.
@cristianhernandezsalazar2718Ай бұрын
Acabo de comprarlo por 355 dolares en tamaño de 55", creo fue una buena compra
@scotttvguyАй бұрын
Great video! Love rtings! My friend has this model but is having trouble with some of the settings. On a single input, when content from Apple TV changes from SDR to HDR, the settings will carry over. Example - let’s say he has movie mode selected and has brightness at 42 in SDR. When content switches to HDR, and the TCL is in HDR10 movie picture mode, the brightness stays at 42 because it brought over settings from SDR. Which seems too low in HDR. TCL seemed to confirm this is how it’s meant to perform as well. Is this something you guys noticed or dealt with when calibrating your model? Do you know if the Hisense U7N allows for dedicated settings whether in SDR or HDR on the same input? Thanks!
@kevincody839124 күн бұрын
in initial setup there is an option to apply this setting to all other modes (gaming, sports, movie, SDR, HDR). Suspect your friend chose that option vs time consuming adjusting individually all the other settings. Filmmaker mode has zero settings, Dolby Vision Bright or dark.
@scotttvguy24 күн бұрын
@@kevincody8391 awesome thank you! I’ll have him check this. Oddly enough, I helped him test again and saw it behaving as desired where settings were changing fully per different source material all on one input using hdmi 1. However, when I tested this theory in hdmi 2 or 3 it started to resort to the sharing of settings issue. I’ll take a look for this toggle to apply to single or multiple modes. Thank you
@jsenrae17 күн бұрын
Is it normal for this TV to flicker when VRR is turned on?
@TheAuxMan18 күн бұрын
QM7 vs U7N who win ?
@mrrjimm55Ай бұрын
How good a picture can one get just by adjusting the settings? I watch 80% sdr(sorry!) on dish. Thanks Abby
@ShieftainАй бұрын
Can this and the QM8 do 1080p and 240Hz with HDR and VRR enabled?
@barulicksama3838Ай бұрын
Test their website. They have indeep review there. As far as I remember they have this information.
@ShieftainАй бұрын
@@barulicksama3838 I did initially check their website for this info but couldn't find it.
@ShieftainАй бұрын
@@barulicksama3838 How strange, my reply got hidden. All I said is that I did check their site and couldn't find the information.
@carlosk8103Ай бұрын
It's kinda a given that it beats the Q7 from last year because the Q7 didn't even have minLED... A better question would be " Is this an upgrade over previous years R646/R655?"
@ragnarokpxn5196Ай бұрын
It's basically the 2023 qm8 label as qm7 according to tlc
@SinnfullDuck22 күн бұрын
Why can't they make these mini led tvs in a smaller 43-48in size? I'd love to get one but I need a smaller size.
@chembsajin52355 күн бұрын
Bigger the better when it comes to tv mate :) 😊
@JaysonyTv24 күн бұрын
What’s the model qm8 in uk?
@mr.pangetakoАй бұрын
qm7 has only one 10 bit panel. and that is the 65" size. All Q7 have 10 bit panels.
@chembsajin52355 күн бұрын
Apologies for the silly question, but does 10 but panel means it's better?
@dylanteet7074Күн бұрын
Really? How could that be? That’s a pretty important point.
@dylanteet7074Күн бұрын
Where did you get this info from? I can’t find it anywhere
@mr.pangetakoКүн бұрын
@@chembsajin5235 Mostly yes.
@mr.pangetakoКүн бұрын
@@dylanteet7074 There is one website that tells you but I can’t give it to you. I’m afraid they might take it down if I share it.
@BlackShaD0WwАй бұрын
Qm751 or qm 715..
@ThePOWERRANGER200Ай бұрын
Samsung released the s92D model please review that tv
@kaizenbgКүн бұрын
C805 has nothing to do with this TV. If there is analogue, it would be the C765. On that note, it would be really great if you could do reviews for the EU models too. Plenty of people from Europe are looking at your reviews and it is really confusing. I do realize, it would be complicated, but still I'd love to see that. But again, for all my fellow europeans C805 is NOT QM751G. The closest imo is the C765.
@inceptionsdАй бұрын
Interesting allegations toward TCL emerged recently claiming that some of these TVs don't have quantum dot films.
@amp2425Ай бұрын
Claims dont affect tvs in north America
@inceptionsdАй бұрын
@@amp2425Because they didnt check tvs in the US, but that doesnt mean that they are in the clear.
@fwilerАй бұрын
I still don't get the handling of reflections rating. For instance when I went to the store I thought Bravia 9 was the worst because every light caused a streak across the entire screen which was extremely distracting compared to others. The one shown here seem better to me than the perfect mirror reflection of something like a C4 oled.
@paulcox244721 күн бұрын
It's preference, but rtings really likes the glossy mirror look where whatever is behind you is superimposed on the screen. They will complain about any kind of Halo or rainbow effect,but staring at yourself like it's a mirror in low light scenes. 9.5/10 lol
@Николай-ф3и8ыАй бұрын
Добрый день. Протестируйте пожалуйста TCL X 955 в 85 диагонали.
@AR-ki7hgКүн бұрын
Hisense doesn't have better contrast. 8.9 Hisense, 9.2 TCL.
@eddieevangelista6014Ай бұрын
Is it native 240hz or is it fake @1080p
@JoeyGageytАй бұрын
It’s fake, I think it’s interpolation
@eddieevangelista6014Ай бұрын
@@JoeyGageyt thank you
@anulearntechАй бұрын
The Title is wrongly named as QM715G, I believe this is the QM751G. Google kept on autocorrecting me..!!
@RTINGSdotcomАй бұрын
Thank you for the heads up, fixed!
@shockermeallАй бұрын
I purchased this model 75 inch last month. I definitely think it needs to be calibrated. People's faces look so fake. My 55 inch plasma was way better. Bummer, I wish I knew how to fix it.
@chembsajin52355 күн бұрын
Go to Google and look for qm7 calibration settings. You will find the settings
@paulmoadibe9321Ай бұрын
already difficult to find in store.........
@bens37672 ай бұрын
i own the qm8 amazing tv
@richardvacanti9428Ай бұрын
Who watches TV off angle?
@stefanschuchardt5734Ай бұрын
People who have friends
@letsgetmg788Ай бұрын
😂😂 truth
@amirshabani98862 ай бұрын
Rtings,you should start reviewing EU version too!
@sirmonkey1985Ай бұрын
the problem is them getting it while not being in europe.. for anything besides the flagship models the shipping and import/export fee's can cost more than the actual TV.
@amirshabani9886Ай бұрын
@@sirmonkey1985 and there is was thinking about importing a QM8 in EU lol
@barulicksama3838Ай бұрын
That's what I'm waiting for 😊
@paulcox2447Ай бұрын
It's an American company. If they can't get it in America its prohibitively expense. They'd never make the money back by UK views.
@TheArtOfJerryАй бұрын
Good morning beautiful TV girl ❤❤🎉🎉
@yassineoumhamed-j5e14 күн бұрын
ساشتري ماركة tcl of course
@yassineoumhamed-j5e14 күн бұрын
Good tv for gamers 144 hz Goodyear job
@yassineoumhamed-j5e14 күн бұрын
لم اقصد ان اكون فظا ابدا tcl
@CruzN5042 ай бұрын
I actually got a KZbin notification for this video is the world ending?
@dooshbag452 ай бұрын
yes, but thanks to RTINGS you can watch it in a dark room because of the great dimming zones on your tv!!!
@N-e.o22 күн бұрын
Long Life China 🇨🇳!!
@barulicksama3838Ай бұрын
You can import Europeans models you know 😂 At least some flagships like qm8 analogue, hisense flagships analogue... You could crowd fund it, with donations I mean.
@user-qx3yo7sx9uАй бұрын
No one is mentioning how absolute trash this TV is at motion. The judder is unreal. These KZbinrs just want you to buy, they never acknowledge the true negatives.
@user-iq334Ай бұрын
These "KZbinrs"
@daviddougher86372 ай бұрын
These companies try to make good tvs but then you see the dirty screen effect on them...GARBAGE...
@bens37672 ай бұрын
you obviously dont own one.
@wolfura2 ай бұрын
@@bens3767 I did and TCL is simply trash. Traded it in for an LG oled G4.
@damontroch4765Ай бұрын
No worse than my sonyX90L .
@daviddougher8637Ай бұрын
You're right i dont own the tcl i own the Samsung S90D Oled which is way better...@bens3767
@bens3767Ай бұрын
@@daviddougher8637 youre comparing an oled to a non oled its apples to oranges