What is the Final Solution for Pakistan? | Part 01 | TCM Debates Ft. Raja Qaisar and Mehrub Moiz

[@MuhammadAli-zi7do]

Sir Qaisar, hats off. you are not just defending the ideology of Pakistan, but enhancing youth's intellect as well.

[@asfandyarfawad]

Thanks to TCM for inviting Mr. Qaisar Raja for such a sensitive issue.

[@umroyaar]

🤣😂

[@greenjupiter]

​@@umroyaaryour braincells depleted?

[@mdumair1104]

​@@umroyaarreal ID se aao Lindu 😁

[@kmshuja72]

Both of them have strong arguments in a very logical way but Qaisar Raja is more logical and convincing. I am very happy to see this type of debate in Pakistan and wisely conducted by TCM team. It has definitely opened the doors for number of students/individuals to take part in the discussions on sensitive issues of the faith, religion and all type of "isms"

[@sairaasghar7029]

Finally in our country these types of debates are happening. Bravo to team TCM.

[@youthfulvision_]

Mr. Raja has gone through beautiful relevance & organization throughout.

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@Abdul-Baseer]

Listening to Mehrub is like watching a nuclear reactor getting out of control, just like in Chernobyl. 😂 . These liberals a ridiculous 😂

[@abdulmonam7243]

Because they don't have any logical argument or logic at all. Therefore, thye want to burst out.

[@Abdul-Baseer]

@@abdulmonam7243I agree. They want to burst out and inflict maximum collateral damage , just like Israhelli military. These people are a disgrace to their Islamic good names

[@usmanbinaffan8405]

​@@abdulmonam7243exactly every time, when they are in debate, they become so much emotional😂

[@hazel135]

That too being a gay😅

[@dundundun7215]

I'm sure you guys will say that about other women as well. Why shouldn't ppl be passionate about what they're speaking about

[@ihassansajid]

Qaiser Ahmed is spot on! Wow!

[@muhammadhamidsaeed2063]

Both gave factual points, but raja sb has a strong point about the birth of secularism. You can't just implement secularism without understand it

[@ishwardevi134]

But you can implement islamic laws without understanding it😂😂😂😂😂

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

@@ishwardevi134 you cant "understand" islam at a state level. Its everyone's personal choice how they want to interpret/understand their religion and how they want to implement it in their life

[@quamrulsiddiqui4225]

@@just_a_woman-h9s Financial transaction mey witness ka hisab, 1 man = 2 Women, ye keya personal level se ya fir state level pe samjhenge?

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

@@quamrulsiddiqui4225 financial transaction main female witness aadhi hay, so let me ask you this. Ager aik bank kee CEO aurat hay, aur bank ka chapraasi mard hay, tou kia chapraasi kee witness bank kee CEO say ziada valuable hay?? Kia benazir bhutton kee witness bhee financial transaction main half consider kee jaati ho gee??

[@mohsinafzaal7159]

@@just_a_woman-h9svery good point!

[@nisarahmadkhan4048]

Hats off to Qaisa Ahmed Raja for having logical approach to this debate.

[@laudenaththetoiletcleaner]

tmkc

[@mdumair1104]

​@@laudenaththetoiletcleaneryou are a RKB and BKM 🙂👍

[@philipsjerry5024]

he even couldn’t explain what exactly #shariat is … how one can expect to trust his logical approach ??

[@comparativereligiondailynews]

Logical 🤣🤣🤣😂 He is a joke.

[@shahidali2405]

قائد اعظم نے کہا تھا ،اپ آزاد ہے مسجدوں میں جانے کے لیے مندروں میں جانے کے لیے اور گرجا گھروں میں جانے کے لیے قائد اعظم نے کبھی نہیں کہا کہ ہم اسلامی قانون نافذ کریں گے ۔وہ بھی ایک سکیولر ریاست چاہتے تھے

[@bariq_sandhu]

I am a Muslim and a Pakistani. I want my country to work according to the principles of Islam. But I don't want any policy in my country which encourages discrimination based on religion.

[@notafrah]

Your second liner is literally discriminatory to people of other religions.

[@Khan-tf1sd]

That is not possible under sharia Law, Non-muslims do treated like secondary citizens under sharia law

[@rajivdas2937]

Okay ..good Then What should be the policy of western Christan Country where Pakistani , Indian and Arab Muslims as well as other religion people who lives in ? Such type Hypocratic approach leads the distructuion for human kind.

[@fsu3328]

​@@notafrahrandi tawaid ghasti....This country was envisaged to be Islamic country you want Lgbt

[@bariq_sandhu]

@@rajivdas2937 being a citizen of Pakistan I just expressed what I want from my country. If majority public of my country wants anything opposite of this, I have not an issue at all. And for western countries, the people living there will decide what they want. I don't have any right to force my opinion on western countries, if they want to run their country with basic principles of their religion, i am not going to oppose them If you accept for western countries what their majority public has decided and you don't want to accept what majority public of Pakistan has decided, congratulations you are a true hypocrite who just want to forcefully impose your thoughts on others 🙂

[@abidanasreenqureshi8524]

It's good to see that Pakistani Channels are awaring the youth on important issue. Loved the Debate and Mr Qaiser!!❤❤❤

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@gs7458]

Bahi Allah ko Jeans 👖 se kia problem ha. Music dance laughing TV instrument se kia problem ha, Shave karne se kia Jannat nahi milti ... I live in Siberia how I wear pajama above knees I will die in cold. Or yahan 4 month day rehta 😮

[@anamazahoor1007]

Thank you Qaisar Raja for this. You literally ate 😂 when Qaisar Raja explained and gave examples, The look on Moiz's face was priceless.

[@wardahali9676]

Both Mehrub Moiz Awan & Qaiser Ahmed Raja r given arguments but Qaiser Raja arguments r more sound & logical with full of evidences.

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

As paksitani women I dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@wardahali9676]

It's ur point of view not mine & also what majority Pakistani wanted & think r Islamic Rules also.If u see in the secular western countriesEurope,America etc discriminate women in many aspects for e.g women married in these western countries r known by her husband name no women independent Individual right While Islam given independent individual right of married women allowed used their Father sur name or old name as such.In work place secular western countries women officer paid lesser amount than male counter part while in Islam women work as officer got paid same equal amount.Islam allowed women she doing work & her earning is own,husband have no right of took earning from her.Witness of women r half in some cases not everycase because of at Arab era of that time majority women r not working women so know how of trades, business info r less known.

[@osamarehman3120]

​@@wardahali9676this is any hindu with fake name spamming everywhere

[@shahzaibali5185]

@@just_a_woman-h9s KIndly write the whole ayat for quran which is that let me quote you "Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great." What Allah say first "if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺," ..it mean if you think that there is something happening in your back then advice her first after in the second commandment Allah say if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, and in the third commandment Allah say then discipline them ˹gently˺ which mean if she obeys you and ask forgiveness from Allah then be gentle with her and if she not do then it's permissible to beat her...now there are 2 stage before beating her why didn't you quote that like i am just shocked that why didn't you qoute the first two stages

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

@@wardahali9676 how many years did u live in West to give me this lecture about what rights women have in West and what kind of life they have?? Let me just give u one example. Islam puts a price tag on a woman ( haq meher) money at the time of nikha. A wife is nothing more than a live in maid who can be replaced by another maid anytime. All husband has to do is give her gaq meher money and divorce her. He can have 4 of those maids too. In west, their is no price tag money on a woman. The day she gets married, she automatically owns 50% of the assets husband has. In case if divorce, all the assets are divided equally between husband and wife. This is called EQUAL PARTNERSHIP. Islam main tou aurat ka gher hee nahi. Kyounkay usay kaheen say bhee nikala ja sakta hay

[@IbrahimWaseem007]

these discussions need to happen more so that the people can rationally and on an academic level see that Islam is the answer and the way of life to attain true peace in this life and the next.

[@shahidkhanshahidkhan4953]

راجہ صاحب کے دلیل بہت مضبوط ہے کیونکہ پاکستان میں کبھی اسلام نافذ ہی نہی کیا گیا بلکہ دنیا کے کسی بھی ملک میں اس وقت قرآن کا نظام نافذ نہی

[@dr.shakir7067]

Dr. Awan just delivered a lecture but Qaiser Ahmed Raja nailed it with proper facts and figures

[@FarmanSeema]

As an Indian🇮🇳, I feel sad where Pak🇵🇰 is going please don't let Pak be destroyed by these puppets of the west! India is really in suffering from Neo librasim n lgtv😢

[@whitedevil8238]

What the fuck ...why are living in india it's even sharia law ..go Afghanistan..Islam is anti humanity religion

[@Zee_Sylvie]

I agree with you! We also need real ISLAM in Pakistan, so every citizen is treated equally under Law. ISLAM is only way to provide Justice to all.

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

@farmanSeema, really? you are suffering in India? Look at your economy vs Pakistan's economy. Tum loag tou chaand per puhunch gaay ho.

[@Zee_Sylvie]

@@just_a_woman-h9s What economy… look at the ground reality of India… so disproportionate . Have you seen the hunger index of India? Where is the worlds biggest Ghetto/ Slum ? India. Indian Sold Out “Godi Media” hides all the negative news.

[@JayLim-bn9fh]

@@just_a_woman-h9s No point in going to a dumb rock to compensate for a being a shithole.

[@medcaremso7337]

I was actually unaware of the militant and extremely violent history of secularism. Not anymore. Thanks to Q.A Raja.

[@amaraqureshi265]

Absolutely on spot Mr. Qaiser Ahmed Raja! Need more intellectual debates to give thought of food to general public who are stuck btw modernism and islamic values.

[@mellownuance]

Thought of food hahah koi Gujranwale se taluq lagta hai bhai ka. 😅

[@amaraqureshi265]

@@mellownuancethanks for pointing out mistake, typo error. ☺️ *food for thought

[@mellownuance]

@@amaraqureshi265light hearted mazaq tha, super glad you took it nicely!

[@Hitchens-k9s]

Bhai 26 million Muslims including mufti wajdi sahib prefer living with Jews, Christians and atheists in Europe, USA and Canada,under western,liberal, democratic values then live with Muslims in Muslim countries

[@Ammeo]

Its funny to see two absolutely delusional people and part of their cults ( Raja Qaisar and Mehrub Moiz ) debate against each other ...

[@HisKidXd]

Big W For Qaisar Raja !

[@AmmarHashme]

Mr. Raja has built his argument with strong and valid reasoning. Thumbs up for him

[@rymaustudio5683]

Qaiser Ahmad Raja has a big heart to handle the opposite arguments.

[@AzharMuheem]

Hats off Mr. Ahmed Raja Qaiser......brilliant, logical, factual.

[@maqbool6974]

Silly, stupid, fallacious arguments.

[@umroyaar]

Logical 🤭🤣😂

[@SikanderG]

Lol what

[@ishwardevi134]

Then implement shria law in Pakistan Like Afghanistan

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

​@@ishwardevi134 yeah, these people want pakistan to turn into afghanistan. There are 100s of secular countries in the world where people follow their religion .. I live in US, people go to mosques/churches, temples etc and practice their religion. Mr Qaisar is wrong when he said in. a secular state, a person will have to act differently when they come out of the mosque.

[@junseyong_un]

First of all I appreciate TCM for providing such a stage to debaters in order to present their contradictory ideas in a peaceful setting. Secondly, upload full episodes or entire program in a single episode, so we dont have to wait for their defending sessions & can go with either of them... Bunch of Thanks TCM😇🙌

[@aliabdullah712]

First of all thanks TCM for arranging this long awaited and thought provoking discourse/ debate. Both sides presented their arguments in a very academic manner but Qaiser Raja sahab's arguments were more logical and concrete.

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@muslimmudassir]

This is a commendable initiative by TCM. Respectful debates play a vital role in addressing important issues. Dr. Mehrub presented compelling arguments, and Dr. Qaiser skillfully defended the perspective that Pakistan was founded on Islamic principles, which resonates with the majority, so it should be upheld.

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@mahrukhzahid4611]

Sir Qaisar has come up with most logical & authentic reasons... Islam can only be practiced as a state!

[@comparativereligiondailynews]

Lawde ka logical

[@comparativereligiondailynews]

Lawde ka logical

[@Amjad-qh1zh]

Everyone should appreciate the beautiful efforts of TCM for this peaceful and ideal debate.On this amazing topic.Hatts off.

[@syedjawadahmad4018]

Hats up Raja jeeee ❤

[@ramishsandhu4098]

Mr.raja actually represent the enternal voice of each pakistani So no words in his honor but extremely thanks to Allah almighty for such aknowledgement,bless in this modern tenure the Great Mr.QAISER raja

[@abdullahtariq3545]

10 minutes and here secularism turns into zero. Brilliant explanation Qaiser Raja👍

[@akshayyadav10008]

So why Pakistani wants secularism in non Muslim country.

[@AmicableAgnostic]

So as per you India should become a Hindu Nation, not secular nation like now?

[@AhmedHassan-pb6pf]

​@@AmicableAgnosticIndia as a secular nation has failed to secure the rights of religious minorities.

[@AmicableAgnostic]

@@AhmedHassan-pb6pf so you will support if it becomes Hindu nation right?

[@AhmedHassan-pb6pf]

@@AmicableAgnostic If it ensures the rights of it's people that's good enough for me i suppose. Is that really what a hindu nation means?

[@ayeshanazirb]

Raja Qaiser Sir not only delivered a factual argument, but also assertively put this man in women's clothing in his place with a resounding slap. The facts spoke for themselves, and Raja Qaiser Sir made sure that this individual learned his lesson.

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@Mr.hz7]

Finally the intellectuals are coming at front in this situation of ambiguity in the country. Thanks to Mr. Qaiser Ahmed Raja for GREAT DEBATE

[@Ammeo]

Its funny to see two absolutely delusional people and part of their cults ( Raja Qaisar and Mehrub Moiz ) debate against each other ..

[@sananmaqsood6469]

Qaiser Ahmad Raja sb is spot on. Presented his argument logically with facts and figures and historical evidence.

[@civilmonk1166]

What logically? all of his claims are fictitious and fundamentally wrong.

[@alimansoor5580]

​@@civilmonk1166 #SourceTrustMeBro

[@civilmonk1166]

@@abubakarrashid9109 Akal and Islam didn't go hand with hand . If apply Islam then your akal will not function 🤣

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@fsu3328]

@@civilmonk1166 Your Indians why are you supporting secularism in Pakistan

[@HamidKhan-official135]

Fantastic Mr.Raja Qaiser 👏

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@MuhammadAbdullah-io2eu]

@@just_a_woman-h9s here is a deal AAA no !

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

@@MuhammadAbdullah-io2eu I will fight till my last breath not to have those sharia laws IMPOSED on me. I know only insecure looser so called men (znakay) who want to have power and control over women want sharia law because it made them GOD

[@Daddy.please97]

@@just_a_woman-h9s Leave the country and go live in a secular country, they treat women like tissue papers and you know it very well. Property choro shadi bhi nahi miley gi, used, abused and left for another man to use. Men here respectfully take you in marriage, they give you inheritance, they provide for you and your children, meanwhile in a western secular society you’ll get a gora bf who will use you for all kinds of sexual activities, he won’t take you in marriage, he will not provide you since they believe in “equality” and you have to earn your own bread, he won’t give you any of his property, he will leave you if he knows you’re pregnant, he will leave you for another man to be used again when he’s bored of you.

[@AhmedHassan-pb6pf]

​@@just_a_woman-h9syou're not the representative of Pakistani women.

[@MohammadSulemanQadri]

When you count the blessings count Qaiser Ahmed Raja saab twice 🙌🏻 Ma sha Allah 😍

[@mollahabib43]

Really well said

[@malikShoaib-fj6fj]

😂😂

[@targa9]

Saab ...?? Saahab..🙂 Indians write it Saab which doesn't even sound good..and also wrong..just wanted to say otherwise no offense..😇

[@Ex-HinduKakaAsur]

Love & Respect for QAISER Sahab ❤🎉

[@civilrights20]

Definitely in his team .

[@mrkhan7599]

If you're reading this, there is something I want to share. You will find majority of the people agreeing with Raja Sahab in this debate because that's what people want here in Pakistan. And interestingly you will find replies in these comments only. But still, why do we see or hear people against Islam alot? Because they are being supported by the media and the west, just like they support Israel.

[@4K_edits-111]

because media try to make minds of youth on secularism.

[@emadraza3698]

because of media sensation and attention seeking plus promoting the western injected agenda

[@its_Daddy]

Can we normalize early marriage (right after reaching puberty) which is what Islam encourages? Can we normalize the massive age difference between husband and wife (even up to 50 yrs) as it was 1400 yrs ago? Can we normalize polygyny which is a sunnah? If one is gonna condemn these aspects of Islam then they're following their nafs (personal preferences), not Islam. Many aspects including these will never be accepted by today's society, even by the ones who pray 5 all farz prayers, do hijab niqab / have a beard, only share Islamic content on social media, etc. What people truly want is "Progressive Islam" where they follow religion not based on shariah but on their own nafs. They'll pray 5 times a day but at the same time condemn someone who wants to do polygyny and even label him as a perv.

[@spark3238]

as an indian i whole heartly support qaiser raja. pakistan main shariya hona chahiye

[@ravindramorey5433]

Ok. But then by that logic india should be a hindu rashtra

[@spark3238]

@@ravindramorey5433 nope, we are happy with our secularism. i want pakistan to become a islamist nation. =

[@laudenaththetoiletcleaner]

teri maa ke b h o o $de mein bhi honi chahiye

[@wrestlingandcricketbuff7759]

​@@spark3238😂😂😂 Pakistan Mein shariya hogya toh vahan migrate karoge na

[@wrestlingandcricketbuff7759]

​@@ravindramorey5433😂😂

[@mahnoorgul3128]

Such an enriching talk! I swear I feel so fulfilled and content by listening to such a philosophically, intellectually and realistically informed debate! Thank you TCM! This is going to be a trendsetter and will hopefully trigger a cultural/structural change in the nature of debates we usually have in Pakistan!

[@xtremktk]

Raja qaiser destroys, Dr. Moiz each and every word with sensible logic. Great work Raja qaiser

[@maheenfarrukh1798]

Mehrub! What an eloquent, well informed presentation of facts, respect 💯

[@vegabro]

If your objective is baised and one-sided, otherwise both presented their finding well.

[@CinnabunLove]

Presentation of facts 😅

[@CinnabunLove]

Presentation of fantasies would be more accurate

[@sabakhan-qc9di]

CANT WAIT! SIR QAISAR RAJA WE'RE WITH YOU!🤜🤛

[@khangul4170]

Ku bhai londi dy ga tujay kia wo jo uska saath ha ?

[@flashbullgaming6915]

Teri q jal rahi ha ? Bus yahin tak freedom of expression tha ? 😂

[@khangul4170]

@@flashbullgaming6915 freedom of expression rakho ,londyan rakhna kara insaniat ka kaam ha?

[@flashbullgaming6915]

@@khangul4170 Londi ko teri ammi say zyada haqooq miltay thay

[@khangul4170]

@@flashbullgaming6915 londi ko bycha jata tha. Tari ammi ko abba baychtay hn kia?

[@umerzeeshanrandhawa]

Brother Qaiser Ahmad Raja Sahib has spoken exactly about the rights of humanity. Because if there is Islam, the rights of humanity will be given.

[@Nans-cm2nv]

Which world your talking about.....? Western world is far superior to it's people irrespective of their religion whereas Islamic world which has religion as it's head but no human rights,this can be proved that people risk their lives to go to western world.Look at your own country.

[@rajainam6175]

Great great explanation by qaiser Ahmad raja with historical and current scenario . I listened to this man for first time , very impressed and completely agree

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@Hassan-us6jh]

So far to sum up Qaiser Sahab got the Win for this part.Qaiser Sahab gave Detailed reasoning backed up by solid evidence..... Alhamdulillah

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@Hassan-us6jh]

@@just_a_woman-h9s Islam doesn't allow beating of wife, that's how ill-informed you are about the subject and this exposes your ignorance as well. Also, You are not the only woman in Pakistan ..... So it's just your opinion, so just keep it to yourself. No need to bring this Filth of Secularism and Liberalism in Muslim countries.

[@mohammadajmalkhan8128]

​@@just_a_woman-h9sहे Indian खूशरा😂😂😂

[@MS-Hussain]

​@@just_a_woman-h9sr u muslim?? I don't think so. If u r one, repeat shahadah.

[@rizwanfarooq2739]

State of Pakistan is nothing without ISLAM

[@JW-be8wf]

The state of Pakistan is quite dire with Islam. Maybe you need to look at your surroundings a bit more before making sweeping statements as such

[@and_then_I_whispered]

​@@JW-be8wf you a Hollywood fan sir!

[@Ammeo]

Ex-Muslim here, now an atheist. I left Islam in 2016 and finally freed myself from this death cult .

[@and_then_I_whispered]

@@Ammeo I guarantee you, you've never prayed or read Quran, lol...

[@JW-be8wf]

@@and_then_I_whispered I can assure you the Christian feels the same way as you do when he reads the Bible and Hindus feel the same when they read their holy books. Just because you get the release of dopamine, serotonin and endorphins from your brain when you pray and read Quran doesn't mean its a universal phenomena.

[@wasifghani9960]

Mehrub points are an unbiased solution for all, you can't see it while wearing religious glasses.

[@KamranThink]

Raja qaiser is a Great man ❤

[@ripplerise]

Raja Qaisar nailed it 🔥🔥

[@JdownJdown]

No.. He just appealed to uneducated people and popularism. If you wanna go back to stone age then follow him and give power to the Mullahs.. See where that takes you :) most certainly ull be a second Afghanistan. Unlike Saudi arabia and uae you don't have unlimited oil and slave labor to build your country for you. He doesn't understand basic finance if he's blaming interest for the Pakistani economical crisis. Pakistan borrowed heavily in order to sustain itself while the local production didn't ramp up to meet local demand. You have your insane population increase to thank for that. And now you are crying that it's interest on the billions Pakistan borrowed to feed these people is the problem? You signed a contract and now are crying that you have to pay the money back? That's not how the world works.

[@muhammadsohaib812]

@@JdownJdownoh you think following quran will lead you to stone age?? If you are a non Muslim than expecting these type of bullshit arguments is common from you guys, but if you are a muslim than you have insulted islam, if you will not ask forgiveness from Allah for this sin if you will not and keep resisting than you are not a Muslim anymore.

[@ehsensiddiqui2057]

chal nikal. Tum logon ki bas abaadi zyada hai jahilon ke mulk mein.

[@CoolIntellect]

​@@JdownJdown Man don't worry! Our Allah and the system he gave us (Islam ❤) Is enough for us In Sha Allah!

[@MS-gr8pn]

Mr. Raja Qaiser 👏🏾

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@shahabazshaikh7113]

@@just_a_woman-h9s so you basically not want Quran as part of your daily life? so what are you doing in Pakistan come to our beloved India we can exchange the citizenship

[@Avicerox]

@@just_a_woman-h9s We do not care, if you, the women, want something, then come and fight instead of begging for it. We will see how well you idiots fare. Know your place woman, the only reason you can even bark is not because of your struggle or emancipation but because of the collective weakness of men today, the moment this world order shatters, your will return to your righteous place. Nobody is going to give you your so-called rights, cry about it.

[@FardeenFirdous]

​@@just_a_woman-h9syou do realise what you are listing here is not unique to Islam? It's been that way for the majority of traditional human history .

[@javeriamansha4771]

​@@just_a_woman-h9sbro stop spamming in every comment ain't no one gonna listen u

[@worldmatters7384]

Masha Allah ... Qaiser Ahmed Raja ❤ Sir keep on going ...

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@87mbilal]

Then leave sweetheart. No need for you to waste your time typing lengthy essays

[@FUNwithJamaima]

​@@87mbilalcorrect 💯😁

[@aqeelabbas8608]

@@just_a_woman-h9s phir dfa ho jao Pakistan sy West pett bny rahoo unkay dollars py plny walon

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

@@87mbilal Why should I leave my country. You guys can go to Afghanistan. Sharia law is already implemented there

[@FactualHours]

Raja Qaiser well done 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@gulshermalik4157]

What a healthy environment to see, different ideological minds are under debate without any badgering. Haven't seen such a thing in this decade

[@AmicableAgnostic]

It happens everywhere all over the world. May be its new in Pakistan.

[@knowledgeismominslegacy7743]

Anyone cannot measure my level of happiness on this sound discussion but it is not a complete discourse due to limited time. Such types of dialogue are crucial for a democratic culture. Both conversants have strong arguments to prove their perspective

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@usmanmehar9018]

قیصر بھائی بہت بہت شکریہ آپ کا آپ اسلام پاکستان اور پاکستانی عوام کا نام ہمیشہ اونچا کرتے ہیں اللہ اپ کی 🇩🇪🇵🇰 حفاظت فرمائے امین

[@BABA-ORUC1761]

Our beloved Teacher Qaisar Ahd Raja Sir🔥🔥.

[@muhammadali-pu2wg]

Sir raja of cancer

[@AbdulHannan-us7hl]

​@@muhammadali-pu2wgAwan bewakof aurat hai !jahil munafik hai yeh

[@osamarehman3120]

​@@muhammadali-pu2wgcancer for Hindus and weak people like you😂

[@muhammadhussain5854]

​@@muhammadali-pu2wgAnd you are a mother seller to west. Qaiser raja is destroying the the illegimate child dogs of west like you

[@hashimustaad-gg3dc]

@@muhammadali-pu2wg Have some shame. You, illiterate secular.

[@MTSeeker-jc1xm]

Qaiser bhai zabardast ragda laga diya. Solid arguments

[@jiyaansari4349]

#say no to secularism..... Our relegion is complete, compelte ,compelete.....❤❤❤❤❤

[@PeterJonathan-bl5ry]

What about londiya😂

[@malikbilal-of9nv]

@@PeterJonathan-bl5ry 😁

[@philipsjerry5024]

can you explain what actually secularism is ??

[@nabeelahmed9274]

just like your spellings.

[@Ammeo]

Ex-Muslim here, now an atheist. I left Islam in 2016 and finally freed myself from this death cult ...

[@badarfaran8185]

Rational reasoning by Mr. Raja Qaiser. Really appreciated.

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@ExamCracker912]

😂😂😂

[@MONKEYQUIZZS]

​@@ExamCracker912😅😅😅

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@muhammadmustafa2684]

@@just_a_woman-h9s 2 : share ? Women get share from her father Women get share from her husband (Haq mehr) Incase her husband dies she do get share too 😂😂😂😂😂

[@MuhammadImran-w6l7r]

Mr. Ahmed Raja Qaiser, a truly brilliant, logical, and fact-driven individual.

[@ehsensiddiqui2057]

hahahahahahaha 🤣

[@usmanbinaffan8405]

​@@ehsensiddiqui2057can understand your frustration

[@saeedullah6033]

Qaiser Ahmad Raja is a Hero. Live long Qaiser Hero

[@comparativereligiondailynews]

He is an Islamist. Islamists are not good but a problem.

[@abdulsami8511]

Dr Mehrub was brilliant with her opening statement. I literally clapped for you and completely agreed with what you said.

[@cal_me_gulldozer]

when does people who can't decide their gender started making sense🤣.

[@444_bt6]

@@cal_me_gulldozerright sir

[@rumz345]

@@cal_me_gulldozerwell the other one just gave stallins fascism as an example of failed secularism 🤣

[@cal_me_gulldozer]

@@rumz345 mustafa kamal's secularisation of turkey is a great example of failed secularism.

[@rumz345]

@@cal_me_gulldozer bangladesh iS SECULAR THEY HAVE A BETTER ECONOMY AND LITERACY RATE GET YOURSELF OUT OF YOUR TINY BUBBLE SIR AND I AM ALSO SAYING THERE IS GOOD SECULARISM AND BAD SECULARISM DONT GET IT MIXED DONT HAVE IT TWISTED

[@shafai_rebels8710]

Honestly,despite everything mehurb arguements were coming from a much more depthful and factually eleborted ground then of Qasir,pakistan has two sides at this point but currently merhub point standa in correct however much controversial the majority conservatives find it

[@pakistanispoof5440]

Agreed. There's a big issue with how qaisr is purposefully trying to misrepresent secularism. She is much more well read and intellectually honest when it comes to debates.

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

Thanks, we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@ratio523]

why the fk did this gay cares about religion, HE broke the basic rule. HE's already CONFUSED...🤣🤣

[@ramisirfan4741]

Epic move to bring back proper debate sessions to the main stream audience. Giving proper time and proper framework for a debate atleast.

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@rehanaziz935]

This is a really great effort for educating people of Pakistan. I am very thankful for starting such a series. We need to know what is the really. I hope that this debate will reach to a great result.

[@drsyedshoaibmeran8960]

ALLAH apko aur taqat aur istaqamt dain Islam k SALAAR bany ap. Bhai qaiser Ahmed ALLAH apko aur Ilam o danishmandi dain. Amen Elahi 🙏 ❤

[@Khattakzsche]

Mehrub's statement is too scholarly and based on logic and rationality. Mehrub's points are so deep that the opposite even didn't fully understand it haha. Qasir raja be like: Masses are as***. And I am with the masses. Raja sb, the majority can never be right.

[@UzairAziz-t4g]

How idiotic you have to be to suggest that QAR was on backfoot and didn't respond to Mr Awan's argumentative statement. Wait till you see the full debate. This portion is just the two of them rendering their respective case

[@rahehidayat2755]

How can 98 percent be wrong but 2 percent people who can't even define their sexuality till date are Right?which world are u living,if 98 percent ppl want to live a certain way they have all the right to do so,the only prob is u want k 98 percent islam maang rae hain,yehi kuch sur mangtein tou app khushi khushi bolte k accept kro majority ki demand

[@Khattakzsche]

@@rahehidayat2755 Problem is not accepting what the majority wants. Point is there shouldn’t be hypocrisy in the name of religion. Your definition of religion and secularism should be the same geographically too. Religion dunya ke har mulk mey hai, but religion ke naam per vote lena, minorities ko by force convert karna, kisi ko bhy kaafir keh kar marna, extrem!sm ko support karna, islamic touch dena, etc etc Ye Ghalat hai. Keep your religion at your home, if you bring it my home, maybe I didn’t feel comfortable. So, keep it personal ! Also, majority cannot be right especially in a rotten society like ours. Mazhab ke naam per jahiliat khoot khoot ke bariii hai koi bhy mazhab ke naam per choran bhej deta hai, and tumhari halat wahi rehty, jaisey hai.

[@romanpunk2396]

My teacher Qaisar Raja is always 🎉❤

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

Tell your teacher that we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@romanpunk2396]

So let me ask u first a question that you have raised a question on Qur'an.Are u a muslim? Then we shall discuss forward.Kindly state.

[@hollywoodclips9988]

​@@just_a_woman-h9sjin ko islamic law's nhi pasnd woh Pakistan say dawa ho jayn kn zabardasti kar raha ha 😅😅😅 Hmari taraf sy "Go To Hell" 🥱🥱

[@mohammadajmalkhan8128]

​@@just_a_woman-h9sभक पगली😂😂😂😂😂

[@Hitchens-k9s]

@@hollywoodclips9988bhai 99% Pakistani will flee..including mullahs..look at sheikh uthman,Wajidi,qadhi ,gamdi etc all mullahs live in America….haha

[@hamzabashir4024]

Qaiser Ahmad raja nailed it🔥🔥🔥

[@haveallfun]

You should upload the entire video in one go ......

[@ammatrahman]

We need more people like Qaiser Raja sahab in our country defending the deen with so much confidence and rational! Hats off sir! ✌️👍

[@nha3920]

Deen ka defender? Mazak to nahi kar rahe ho? Dollar army religion ko kaise use karti hai Pakistan ko barbad karne mai us per sach kyon nahi bolta yeah hypocrite?😂

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

@@nha3920 true. thanks for the sane response. these people want pakistan to turn into afghanistan.. There are 100s of secular countries in the world where people follow their religion .. I live in US, people go to mosques/churches, temples etc and practice their religion. Mr Qaisar is wrong when he said in a secular state, a person will have to act differently when they come out of the mosque

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@ammatrahman]

@nhas3920... You seem to be heavily influenced by the "western liberal media" if you are sincere enough to find the answer of the list of the things you mentioned above, I'm pretty sure you will find your answers, people need to stop taking the deen from the west (They are the biggest hypocrites as we see now), start educating yourself from the right sources.... But if you just want to bring up these arguements for not following the religion and already made up your mind then i could just pray for you! Peace ✌️

[@ammatrahman]

@nha3920 And I'm just shocked at the fact that how people like you are blind enough to not see how America took Afghanistan back into stone age after 20 years of war in the name of " war on terror" and "liberating women" but now when they have their own governance people are living in peace, people like you have problem with that but not a word for the TERRORISM by Americans... 😏

[@toqeerahmed5643]

Hatts off to Raja sahb. May Allah more power to you brother ❤

[@envirovisionexpert]

Great debate. Full of factual points. Thank you TCM.

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@maani-tech]

Really nice & factual talk Raja Qaiser Sahab. Jazak Allah

[@binteadil7689]

محترم قیسر احمد راجہ نے ہمارا سر فخر سے بلند کر دیا الحمدللہ کیا ہی بہترین دلائل اور بہترین انداز سے تمام گفتگو فرمائی ماشاءاللہ الله ہمیشہ سلامت رکھے ❤ قیسر احمد راجہ کو بلانے کے لیے بہت شکریہ

[@Khan-tf1sd]

I watched whole debate as an unbiased person and i have to say, Dr.Mehrub arguments were Rational, Logical & strong while Qaiser raja arguments were very weak, he was talking about centuries ago secular ideology & comparing it to today's secularism, He was more sentimental & irrational.

[@nha3920]

​@FurrukhRao-tj6jfApp religion ka chasma uthar kar dekho to samaj mai aye ga.

[@nha3920]

@FurrukhRao-tj6jf Religious hone ke liye muslim hona zaroori nahi hai. Dosre mazhab ke loag bhi religious chasma laga sakte hain.

[@nha3920]

@FurrukhRao-tj6jf Atheist ho. Pher bhi apko samaj nahi aye Merab Awan ki baatain. Hairat hai.

[@nha3920]

@FurrukhRao-tj6jf Mujhe to aisa nahi laga. Religion admi ka personal matter hai. Government ko is se door rehna chayeah. Us ne yeah baat koi galat nahi boli.

[@AbdulHannan-us7hl]

Qaiser Ahmad raja is more rational then this dumb hippocrate Awan !islam have best rules regulations and evil is not good ! Secularism don't have rules regulations and they r doing on LGBTQ+ and other bad things !come towards truth that is islam !

[@zaheerdaftani218]

Thnaks tmc team for your efforts to arrange healthy debates

[@K.A.S.H]

Mehrub Moiz Awan is awsome! Her arguements are so point on and way more logical. Qaiser Raja is only pointing fingers and giving examples from history which is only to provoke emotional reaction.

[@ammarabid6160]

This is going to be big. Eagerly, keeping an eye on it. It would be a great discussion on prevailing intellectual discourses. I request the audience to embrace the difference of opinions and try to unpack the unsaid meanings behind it, rather than indulging in never ending debates.

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@ishwardevi134]

This discussion is happening because Jinnah failed to give any vision for Pakistan

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

@@ishwardevi134 we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@ammarabid6160]

​@@ishwardevi134that's not the case; kindly revisit credible literature sources.

[@adaborfun]

One of the greatest initiative is taken by TCM. Hates of Love❤

[@oncetrivia5385]

Mehrub Moiz in her 10 minutes just explained the state and the relation of citizen with the state so beautifully that can be quoted in any debate vigorously. Awesome!

[@abdulRashid1537]

Worth attending. Mehrub is good critical analyst.

[@hafizsalmanzafarofficial7651]

Great debate... Qaisar Ahmad Raja bhai we stand with you.... Allah bless you ❣️❣️❣️❣️

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@shafaqkhan251]

​@@just_a_woman-h9syou are misquoting Quran "Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great." Quran 4:34. There is nothing about beating a woman in entire surah.

[@mohammadajmalkhan8128]

​@@just_a_woman-h9sहे प्रभु ये Indian khusra पाद रहा है air रिसाव from black hole 😂😂😂😂

[@microbiology530]

Religion and state should go hand in hand in Pakistan

[@arslanarshad8423]

Raja Qaiser❤

[@Ammaralishah2]

😂😂😂

[@muhammadabdullah1117]

Keep it up Qaisar Raja 👍

[@MuhammadIrfan-ql5fk]

Qaiser raja sb Maa Sha Allah dalaail aur facts k saath aur izaat o ehtaram k saath baat kr k dil jeet laity hoo ap. Love from Oman

[@fahadanwarkhan]

Qaiser raja came up with some valid points with proper references ,giving historical evidence ,logic was there so i think he won that round for sure

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

you people want pakistan to turn into afghanistan.. There are 100s of secular countries in the world where people follow their religion .. I live in US, people go to mosques/churches, temples etc and practice their religion. Mr Qaisar is wrong when he said in a secular state, a person will have to act differently when they come out of the mosque

[@lmnopq9376]

@@just_a_woman-h9sYou copied someone comment and then paste it 😂😂😂

[@lmnopq9376]

@@just_a_woman-h9s So if sharia is nafiz you burgers think we will force hindu and christian in pakistan to accept Islam. Reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy😂😂😂😂

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

@@lmnopq9376 how do u know? First of all , these are my own thoughts, but lets assume for a second i copied them, what difference does it make?? whoever i copied from is representing my thoughts and I am just trying to express how I feel. So use your little energy to focus on the points I have mentioned instead of "copy pasting"

[@lmnopq9376]

@@just_a_woman-h9s your thoughts come from westren civilization so these are not your own thoughts😂😂😂

[@rafayop9610]

As a person who's very neutral on such issues. I do think mehrub's arguments were very stronge. A very good debate overall, from both sides.

[@bababaliwala2]

i think hats off to Mehrub for being so open in this society where any liberal thought is belittled, lablled, bashed and abused

[@abcperson]

How Many Want India To Follow Qaiser Sahib's Take As Well?

[@pakiedits3629]

Pakistan was made on the name of religion not India both have different foundations hence Qaiser's statement can't be implemented on India

[@krishnagurung2823]

yes. i want hindu rashtra too. good luck pakistan

[@abcperson]

@@pakiedits3629 Why? He himself said it's better to have religion and state going parallel? Shouldnt we respect will of the people there too? Or its share hypocrisy on our hands?

[@Khattitoffehere]

@@abcperson PPL will in which base ? Nagaland Manipur all northeast state annexed with the help of constitution backed democracy they gonna accept hindu rashtra churan? What about Punjab ? ! Kashmir ! ... Tamilians yeh churan accept karenge yeh churan lagta hai tumko ? Chutiye India is United of stated bend by great Indian constitution which is secular that's why it's lasting forever never gonna break 🔥

[@izzahejaz5757]

He said that for Pakistan. And that has nothing to do with India. India has its own brilliant minds who can decide for it.

[@sobabkhan3951]

Thanks @TCM. You never disappoint your audience. ❤ Thank you for your efforts in promoting sensible, factual, informative and logical debate culture in a society where news channels spit misinformation, fallacies, and fake news out.

[@just_a_woman-h9s]

we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)

[@abdullahzaman2364]

Qaiser Ahmad Raja has impactfully advocated for the real purpose of Pakistan's creation, for Islam and for the sacrifices of our martyrs who died for the sole cause of an Islamic Republic of Pakistan. HATS OFF TO YOU SIR....

[@BroadSide24]

The discussion is revolving around one argument in two ways by both: 1. Dr. Awan: Religious state is the cause of persecution of religious minority. 2. Qaiser sahb: Secularism is the cause of persecution of religious minority

[@ZURRAIN1]

none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣

[@mohsinafzaal7159]

Dr Awan is absolutely correct! Secularism is justice to all religions! What Pakistan has become today is because of mixing of religion and politics! It has become a religiously fanatic state where innocent people are being lynched for no reason….. I don’t know where we are heading……country has become a living hell for religious minorities…….🥲

[@usmannazir-fb1vy]

@@mohsinafzaal7159 pakistan is in this state due to corrupt liberals not due to religion.

[@kashmiricreator1]

Ary..bhai...fact b sunne hotey...to ziyada acha rehta

[@kashmiricreator1]

​@@mohsinafzaal7159.. ye sab seculr muslim ki waja se huwa...

[@azmatali3823]

Thank you so much TCM for initiating this in Pakistan. It's much needed in this time and I hope people will learn some ethics of debate, whether offline or online, from this series. As far as opening statements are concerned, Dr. Mehrub is very to the point. Their concept of state as inanimate being is very strong and valid. Their style of debate is purely academic and one can say from their way of talking that they know how debates are done. Raja Qaiser's opening statement was good too but he started giving rebuttals in between which were not asked yet. Also, his way of debate is very amateur. His concept of religious state in Pakistan as a democratic decision is very valid. But one thing he said about forced conversion are due to secularism is totally ludicrous. But still I am not making any final conclusion yet. Let's see what happens in next episode. It's really amazing seeing what I used to see on channel "Jubilee". Its really proud seeing our own "Middle Ground".

[@azmatali3823]

@@bookaholic8136 this is the most futile generalization I have heard EVER. Let me make another generalization. 99% of people in Pakistan are not practising religion. Even "religious" persons who do forced conversions are not practising religion much. What about that? It's not about whether people propagating forced conversion are religious or not. It's about whether people enforce conversions at the hands of religion or secularism. And they do it in the name of religion. WE ALL KNOW THAT

[@yusrarasheed5403]

Commendable initiative by TCM. We need more of such platforms where sensitive and controversial topics are debated with tolerance and respect. Great work!

[@uphazstephen5105]

TCM your efforts for arranging this discourse is commendable. We need these debates to promote the coexistence of different ideas and beliefs. But your decision to release it into divided parts won't be a good idea, it'll lose our interest and probably we could miss the other parts.

[@trueshorts2858]

seculerism is indeed a true solution for equality of all cirizens cuz agr Pakistan ismaic country hy aor yahan minorities supress hi rhy gi to india bhi hinduvtv country hy aor wo wahan muslamano k sath jo kuch krien we cannot condemn them so secularism allows people from different believes to have equal status in any society and protects everyones right!