What was the Idea of Pakistan? | Part 02 | TCM Debate Ft. Raja Qaisar and Mehrub Moiz

[@ghaurijutt367]

Sir Qaisar not only bashed the secular arguments but also talked for the rights of Balochistan being a Punjabi this shows us that its the "leaders" who divide us but the people want unity and equal distribution of rights and responsibilities. Well done sir

[@sHaseebali]

TCM Orginals, i highly suggest that a debate's recording should not be broken down into parts. This completely disrupts the flow of thoughts that the audience needs to develop in order to reach to a logical conclusion for themselves.

[@hashaamtayyab1518]

Paisa bhi tu banana ha videos zyada karka😂

[@babarazamsucks]

Right. I was just thinking this myself. I’m sick and tired of having to change videos.

[@babarazamsucks]

⁠@@hashaamtayyab1518Nafrat hai paise se😂

[@JFKKhan]

This debate wasn't about Secularism v. Religion. It was about emotionalism v. Intellectualism. Decide for yourselves who used emotions and who used intellect.

[@Ex-HinduKakaAsur]

Bilkul 💯

[@tay974]

Excellent comment

[@NAZionist666]

This debate was fantastic😂 "Awan is blaming Mazhab/muslims because of situation of Pakistan which is in the hands of liberal imperialists for 50-60 years" In simple words :- Their own kin (90%political heads) are not delivering justice to their post and responsibilities but the same kin is blaming civilians for their kin's failure and corruption 😂 ULTA CHOR KOTWAL KO DANTE🗿 If we implement only one rule of shariat on Corrupt politicians and institutions (billionaires) The next day they will be crying on roads. 😂 If we apply one rule of shariat on People who disturb minorities, then the cr!minals would do su!cide themselves in fear. Deen/islam = discipline If you want to do mujra then go do...but never blame us for your liberal leader's failure who didn't followed islam, and just used islam for votes.

[@sobabkhan3951]

Exactly

[@johanliebert6198]

Yes, muhrub was only throwing emotional tantrums

[@MianSibtainRaza]

Raja Sahb you absolutely nailed the "Disgusting propaganda" salute to you sir❤

[@napoleon25]

Landay ka Raja qaisar....😂

[@Zerry_Comrade]

Already decided mind in favour of QAR !

[@abumuhammad4496]

آپ زبردستی کسی پر دین مسلط نہیں کرسکتے تو نوے فیصد مسلمانوں پر سیکولرزم کیسے مسلط کرسکتے ہیں ۔ زبردست قیصر بھائی ۔

[@docshah.]

Agree.

[@professorhakeemmuhammadadn8872]

رب کی زمین پر رب کا نظام پاکستان پاکستان

[@professorhakeemmuhammadadn8872]

اسلام ہمارے لیے کافی ہے۔

[@docshah.]

@@professorhakeemmuhammadadn8872 bilkul, Agr main khana khata hn or neighbor bhoka h to secularism k law main thk hn but according to islam main mujrim hn... Itna piyara mazhab koi nahe

[@professorhakeemmuhammadadn8872]

ہمارے لیے اسلام ہی کافی ہے محرب صاحبہ اللہ ہمیں ہدایت دے آمین

[@ahmadHaris-lw5ey]

More power to Raja Qaiser sahab.Lots of love from Indian occupied Kashmir.

[@OpenThisChannel]

And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)

[@arjunsharma3925]

1400 sal pehle Saudi ki tatti main Allha k paida hone se hazaro sal pehle Kashmir Kashmiri pandito ka tha aur rahe ga

[@PawanRao007]

Apizyor 😂😂😂 not kashmiri at all.

[@ahmadHaris-lw5ey]

@@PawanRao007 Adsa gobra

[@PawanRao007]

Adsa gobara 💩💩

[@hamoodurrehman4331]

Awan was refuting himself in his arguments all the time. He accepted that Islamic system worked best 1400y ago and he failed to produce any argument in which he could tell the audience that this Islamic law is problematic. All the time he was describing problems created by secular elite people 😅 and Raja Qaisar sb good to remind him that yes! These problems are genuine and solution is implementation of Islamic laws which provide protection and rights to everyone ❤

[@OpenThisChannel]

And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)

[@azmatali3823]

I would like to reiterate, which Islamic law? Which interpretation of Islamic law? Which Islamic state is truly Islamic? What manifesto do you think Raja shb has of the Islamic state? At least Dr. Mehrub was clear that we do not need Western secularism. SHE elucidated that we want an indigenous, affirmative and post-secular model in Pakistan.

[@shantanudasgupta7935]

​@@OpenThisChannelExtremist form of Islam will kill Pakistan. Just watch.

[@Qasimkhan-sng]

she also did not gave any example of perfect secular state but demonded for an ideal Islamic state , moreover she said which islamic sharia but the same question can be asked about which secular system? secularism of america,france,russia or Mrs Awan and desi librals own secularism?

[@MR.FlyingMonkey]

Arey Bhai , "He" "Himself" "him" mat bolo isko😂😂 Kahi yeh gussa nah hojaay😂😂 Yeh liberals ka choti choti baato meh BP sh00t kar jaata hai. Pata nahi kaunsa gender hai iska...🙈 Inka toh roj badalte rehta hai🙈

[@OpenThisChannel]

And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)

[@TheFocus1212]

According to many comments Islam is solution then why Pakistan has friend china who doesn't believe in Islam and they want to destroy Islam in China 😅 . China focus on Development and Pakistan on religion. See the difference in economy 😂😂😂 and respect in the world.

[@greenjupiter]

​@@TheFocus1212baray hi koi thanday mutmaeen beghairat ho har comment k neechay same copy paste comment kar kar k zaleel ho rahay ho sab k hathon

[@user-vr7pc8es6o]

@@TheFocus1212 so does pakistan has Saudia Arabia , Qatar and turkey as aliies so ? You are making no point?

[@Faizayul]

​@@TheFocus1212china has only one party. There's no democracy there.

[@derpyninjahere5992]

agar apne isse upar aur iske baad wali ayat parhi hoti toh ap ye comment nahi karti/karte. "But why do they come to you for judgment when they have the Torah containing Allah’s judgment, then they turn away after all? They are not believers". (Maidah 43). According to this Jewish and others judicial system was seperate from Muslims and they had their own governments and courts. Look up the Meethaq e Medina clause 25-31 for this and other historicaloral tradition and documentation. "So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are the rebellious". (5:47). Self-explanatory ayah, dont have to say anything. Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (Baqarah 256). This is the end of discussion on Islam and secularism.

[@bilalqasuri3045]

Raja Qaiser Ahmad Destroyed Mehrub's discussion... Proud to be Muslim and proud to be a follower of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

[@naeemyousaf3049]

This debate wasn't about Secularism v. Religion. It was about emotionalism v. Intellectualism. Decide for yourselves who used emotions and who used intellect (Copied) . Dr Moiz Emotionally played well and confused the Pakistanis, but then Raja Sahab came to the stage and made the debate intellectual and argumentative. Well done Sir Qaiser🫀✨

[@HamidChaudhury]

Respect for Raja Sb has been continuously increasing. ❤️❤️❤️ Thank you for being a sane voice in the era of mentally ill people.

[@napoleon25]

Sane Raja qaisar 😂.... you guys are mentally ill. Pakistan anyways is a s***hole.

[@khurmiful]

Lot of people will consider your comments as of that of a mentally ill person, because you don’t know how to conduct a political discourse as a normal person.

[@aahmudabbaas]

Qaiser Bhai: facts and stats😮 Mueez Bhai: emotions and confusions😅

[@subhanallah6]

Ye khusra bhai ha ya bahn

[@whitedevil8238]

Hahaha pata chly ga abi SBR kro abi Sadia arbia Mai dance chl Ra or Pakistan tu hota hi hai it's not your fucking religion

[@rupeshsuthar242]

Randibaaajjj Namrd khajir ke jehniyat gulam ho 😂 arbic rattu gaadu phle vo pdna shikh kese hai

[@usamasaleem9460]

​@@subhanallah6yh convert hva wa ha man sa woman ma😅

[@subhanallah6]

@@usamasaleem9460 bhai mard ha asl ma Maria B na expose kea ha isy Ye jhot bol rha ha k ma khusra ya transgender hon

[@nosheenalmas4960]

Mehrub is trying to consider LGBTQ community as minority and for that she is demanding secularism.. otherwise under religion he/she and her/his whole community can’t enjoy the perks of being LGBTQ😂 bat he khatam.. Raja sahab k liye dhair sari duaen … You nailed it ❤

[@faisalali5025]

Ye cheez

[@dastaan4994]

ist let him/her decide his/her gender 😂

[@sahirkhan-bk7uc]

Mehrub admi hai bas dadhi save kara kar aur aurto ke kapde pahn liya hai 😂

[@AABraun]

aren't LGBTQ human beings too? don't they deserve human rights too like everyone else? that's why we need secularism so that everyone can live safely and freely and no one can can say you can't do that because my religion doesn't say so..

[@nosheenalmas4960]

@@AABraun seems you are a part of that tini tiny community too.. let me tell u one thing … MAJORITY wins and WE are majority .. you want secularism .. go somewhere else

[@danishshah8940]

Qaisar Raja's points and answers were logical, rational & intellectual. Excellent 👌.

[@thefoodie_shorts]

RAJA QAISER AGAIN MAILED IT. HE SPEAKS WITH EVIDENCE AND GROUND REALITY ❤❤❤

[@HaiderAli-ke2pi]

Big Big change. I am just happy that we are actually talking about these things. I mean not so long ago talking about secularism was a kind of taboo and now we get to see debates on Theocracy vs non-theocracy. It means sanity is prevailing. The TCM team never stops surprising us. Good work.

[@muhammadmustafa2684]

Religion is enough. We want ISLAM as a DEEN ❤❤

[@pakistanispoof5440]

But we don't want it. Secularism more Islamic in reality

[@musalone1405]

😂😂😂

[@nha3920]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ExamCracker912]

😢

[@nha3920]

Kon sa deen? Firqa decide karlo. Bata hua deen kisi kaam ka nahi.

[@haafizsaadaatsayyad6935]

AS AN INDIAN MUSLIM I WANT TO ASK THIS LADY IF PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN DID NOT WANT ISLAMIC NATION THEN WHY DID PARTITION HAPPENED? WHY DID THOUSANDS OF INDIAN MUSLIMS “For People Of Pakistan” SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES? WHAT WAS THE DREAM OF MUSAWWIR E PAKISTAN “ALLAMA IQBAL” ? PLEASE REPLY IF YOU READ MY COMMENT.

[@jetbllackwings]

Yeah and we’ve tasted the fruits of an all Islamic state back in Zia’s reign and do not wish to repeat that mistake. Being a Muslim can be part of your identity but that’s doesn’t mean world’s 5th largest population should now be enforced to practice Islam till the last day on earth.

[@haafizsaadaatsayyad6935]

@@jetbllackwings No one forcing you,neither you can force anyone else. but ask other world 5th largest population of the earth is well and then decide. If you think Zia ul HAQQ introduced Islamic system in Pakistan then my brother or sister sorry to say that you don’t know even Basic of Islamic System or history of Zia ul HAQQ regime. He just used the name of Islam Same ways as other Pakistani so called Muslims liberals politicians are using it. And if you just want to use islam as an ID without following it then Islam doesn’t need you. You can use your parents as an ID without Respecting and giving them their rights.

[@jetbllackwings]

⁠​⁠@@haafizsaadaatsayyad6935​​⁠​⁠​⁠So close yet so far. That’s exactly Mehrub’s argument. It’s against the use of Islamic touch manjan sold by our politicians and introducing an Islamic regime will further blur the lines even more. No one is “forcing” you to be secuar but an Islamic constitution can only be set in motion by force. Secularism is not a policy that requires enforcement it’s only an idea that exists to protect minorities. Pakistan should be fully capable of forming it’s constitution and policies without the need to take inspiration from KSA. We are not Arabs. We have a rich history of Mughals and Indus valley civilization and to water it down to a “Muslim” identity is totally brainless and implausible. You don’t even know the basics, it’s not the “liberal” politicians, rather far right religious hegemony elites have been using Islamic touch for years and the only solution is to denounce this hybrid ideology that brings harm to both religion and politics while simultaneously facilitating elites to steal resources from middle-lower class citizens.

[@donjames7647]

Partition was done by the British, and Hindu leaders who did not want Muslims to be majority in United india .

[@HamzaThinkingBox]

Yah lady ni leda hai lol

[@musaahmadranjha8541]

Dr. Mehrub is taking reality but Mr. Raja is an idealist. Realist and idealist. No one is wrong. Both are talking sense.

[@rajadaud7591]

Raja Saab you Nailed it, literally you gave the shut-up call to this LGBTQ Propaganda.

[@sameerthevip]

For me, as an Indian, people like Qaiser Ahmed Raja give a lot of hope. His clarity of thought is amazing. Winning debates and hearts together.

[@sahasss7100]

​@2107Slashkaash tere maa baap 47 me chale jate😍😍

[@sahasss7100]

@2107Slash abb chala ja bhai, India safe ho jaega thoda

[@sahasss7100]

@2107Slash humare liye hua bhai, that's one less stone pelter we have to worry about 😌

[@sahasss7100]

@2107Slash that's even better 😍

[@sameerthevip]

Hinduon aur liberals ko tadapta hua dekh ke maza hi aata hai 😂😂 Burn in your own rage.

[@doctor_of_andbhakt]

Qaisar bhai ne doctor ka hi operation kar diya😂😂😂 thank you qaisar bhai❤❤🤲🤲🤲 jazakallahu khair

[@realg701]

It's not about who wins, it's solely about fixing our mistakes and making a peaceful and intellectual environment for our future generation. Allahu'Akbar!

[@Abdul-Baseer]

Always fun to watch Qaiser bhai destroying these ineligible individuals with technical faults with their beings. Grab your popcorns and enjoy the thrilling rides with Qaiser bhai .. What a calm and composed response he gives. A true gentleman Ma Sha Allah

[@whitedevil8238]

Hahaha so funny..bro this why you are depending on kafir counteris ap ko bheek dy Ra hai Europe or America hahhj ya ap ki Islam ki ukat

[@jetbllackwings]

17:22 secularism is not a “deen” and secularism doesn’t mean suspension of Islam. The sole purpose of secularism is to liberate minorities. Secularism is not “imposed” it’s an idea not a practice.

[@daddyz8938]

THANK U 😭

[@KhalidKhan-lz3er]

Such a delightful discussion, hope this initiative may continue and enlightened our people both liberal and theocratic. Thanks TCM❤❤❤

[@TheFocus1212]

According to many comments Islam is solution then why Pakistan has friend china who doesn't believe in Islam and they want to destroy Islam in China 😅 . China focus on Development and Pakistan on religion. See the difference in economy 😂😂😂 and respect in the world.

[@Shreaadedaa]

@@TheFocus1212 how many times will you copy and paste this when it has already been answered in the video by Qaiser sb.???

[@khadija.10.07]

​@@TheFocus1212 its the same as saying why there are isralei products and brands run in sales in Pakistan when we don't recognise israel as a country state. Qaisar raja already said it all in debate and that the thing why sharia law and Islam as a deen need to be implemented in Pakistan

[@KhalidKhan-lz3er]

@@TheFocus1212 i would recommend you watch specifically the concluding remarks by the host. The agreement of others on certain points shows that we have a moderate system in which there is a proper check and balance on both theocracy and liberalism

[@fffreefire9394]

​@@TheFocus1212I think you need watch this video again

[@Hassan-us6jh]

Qiaser Sahab with The win again. Statements like in the previous part were backed up by evdience by Qiaser Sahab..... also they were logical and precise.Alhamdulillah.

[@jetbllackwings]

The issue is we’ve never been able to implement Islam in the country and it’s damn near impossible to enforce one ideology on world’s 5th largest population. We need to get out of these religious issues and wannabe KSA Islamic state daydreaming and focus on basic issues at hand.

[@zaraammad5840]

I would request the people behind this initiative ( this series) to keep bringing such content. In my opinion, it's highly beneficial. Great work,MA.👏

[@shahwajid4050]

Its quite surprising the person who is himself in the identity crises one day male another day female.... wants to give the identity to the state by its so called secular laws

[@samiaarif3008]

Maybe human life isn't linear. Humans make mistakes. Why is there a concept of forgiveness in religions?

[@anascs22]

but religion does not allow you to change your identity/gender, which religion allow you to change your identity ?@@samiaarif3008

[@sibtainhaider2411]

​@@samiaarif3008During an argument, you cannot revert to status quo when you have actively challenged an idea. After that it's between you and Allah.

[@sweetrafay2]

Really appreciate TCM for holding such debates

[@OpenThisChannel]

And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)

[@haiderbhatti666]

​@@OpenThisChannellol don't throw a religious vail over the issue

[@kashmiricreator1]

​@@haiderbhatti666...who made issues

[@huzaifah03]

@@haiderbhatti666 lol thats literally what the debate is about

[@greenemerald373]

@@haiderbhatti666 so called followers of liberalism and Desi Agrez people don't even know the difference between Vail and veil and they talk about Islam as they learned and perfected the knowledge of it ,and they think that they can criticize it with their teaspoonful knowledge 😂

[@AmmarHashme]

Sensible counter-argumentation by Mr. Raja; he is clearly leading the debate by connecting the dots excellently and defending his viewpoint. On the contrary, his opponent is dominated by emotions rather than presenting well-founded arguments.

[@mr.xyzzzz5758]

Mehrub is far more intelligent and knowledgeable than qaiser raja. I think you r blindfolded

[@pakistanispoof5440]

@@mr.xyzzzz5758 Qiaser is conflating left wing and liberals. Ofc he is a moron

[@mashoodgulzar7996]

​@@mr.xyzzzz5758You are funny.

[@malikadnan7]

lol@@mr.xyzzzz5758

[@Fiscalsniper]

⁠@@mr.xyzzzz5758i think intellectuality is also known as taking your opponent’s arguments not personal or with emotions we can clearly see that when mr raja was presenting his case ms awan was constantly making faces or laughing which shows what is her EQ level and low level of emotional control. so clearly mr raja wins here as to your answer about who is more knowledgeable

[@ubaidurrehman8252]

Thank you, Raja Qaisar Sahab, for representing us there. Your exemplary representation reflects the core values of our people. We look forward to seeing you as our leader. ❣❣

[@BilalAnsari-gz4zm]

4:05 she said partition sirf Punjab ki hui he😂😂😂... Hailing from India we listen to stories from our grandparents being killed in southern parts of India during this event for just being a muslim

[@zainalee]

DR MEHRUB just crying in a corner, well done raja qaiser sab, Live long

[@nha3920]

Qaser Choteah raja se bolo dollar army ke bare mai sach bole ke kaise religion ko lollipop ki tarah use karti hai. 😂

[@maujeidraak6952]

Meerub Did great Job to Come Fwd

[@syrajatt6141]

Correction Moiz Awan (not Meerub)

[@syrajatt6141]

​@@nha3920wo bol chuka hai Army or democracy k baray main bi agar isko follow krtay hotay itni fazool baat na krtay and army don't use Religion as a weapon but nationalism. So educate yourself first 🤡

[@nha3920]

@@syrajatt6141 Yeah nahi bola kabhi Qaser Chotiyah Raja ne ke Islam ko kaise use karti hai dollar army. Educate tum karo apne app ko kanjar ki aulad. General Zia ne islam ke naam per parai afghan jung mai pakistan ko kaise jhonka islam ke naam per aur barbad kiya? Pakistan mai Allah dollar hai army ke liye. Yeah kyon nahi bhonkta? Zia ka islam bhi chal raha hai Pakistan mai 40 saal se.😂

[@AyeshaSana-vw2ju]

Raja saab has a well connected statement. Like he stayed on oneside. He didn't not subliminally accused secularism rather mentioned those laws that are against religious hence stands strong. And nailed it by argument about israel and exposed vision of elite law makers. Logical well knitted and without loope holes.

[@muhammadammarnazir1903]

Very valid points by QAR until now whereas Dr awan twisted the argument every time to blame islam. but yes +1 to Dr awan for the perfect use of emotions to get attention and look confident.but raja g ❤ u nailed it.

[@Gamingchanneltech]

Qaiser Raja sahab you gem💎 no emotional arguments, no illogical fellacy but only rational intellectual arguments...won my heart ❤️

[@nha3920]

Qaser Raja qadiani hai. Qadiani gem hai?😂

[@DHARMENDRASINGH-ue3li]

Good knowledge, gajab Dr Mehrub salute you

[@SalesAgenda]

Raja Qaisar won not only the debate, but hearts

[@nha3920]

Dimag theek hai? Jis hypocrite admi ko dollar army ke bare mai sach bolne ki himmat nahi woh islam ka manjan beech raha hai.😂

[@anshuraj4277]

Losers

[@abdulsalam1696]

Islam is the only solution

[@arjunsharma3925]

Islam the groups of zombies nd Quran the book of DEMON👹

[@SaddamulAnsari]

Sorry

[@TheFocus1212]

According to many comments Islam is solution then why Pakistan has friend china who doesn't believe in Islam and they want to destroy Islam in China 😅 . China focus on Development and Pakistan on religion. See the difference in economy 😂😂😂 and respect in the world.

[@LawsOfNature108]

❤ deka solution he...tumhari maa chudi padi he har tarikese....ur country is global randi economically and geopolitically

[@greenjupiter]

​@@TheFocus1212you copy pasting the same comment under every comment and getting humiliated and still not embarrassed? You're dheet😂😂😂

[@lucky8724]

Raja's arguments vs Mehrub's emotionalistic ranting.

[@doityourselfpakistan6535]

Mehrubs spited some real facts , generally people here will go for emotional style non facts of Qasir raja as we are all rbain washed for this since long . and thats why humara aita amzing hahalat hin,

[@AbubakarMunir712]

​@@doityourselfpakistan6535 which real facts? Which particular thing tell us that Muslims are brainwashed and not the seculars. Qaiser Ahmad challenged him to show a single law or act which is against the fundamental rights of human. But he cannot tell even one. The countries having secularism have one of the highest crime rates in the world. So according to you they should adopt sharia because in muslims countries like saudia it is one of the countries having lowest crime rates in the world.

[@BilalKhan-cq6mn]

​@@doityourselfpakistan6535did you even watched the debate. What qaiser raja said?

[@jetbllackwings]

24:28 Absolutely! Religion is too complicated to be turned into a poltical ideology. Enforcement of single Shariah Law is not plausible.

[@achabacha3328]

Raja qaisar is on point.. Koi b bat wo samny Betha/bethi kr raha/rahi he. Wo sb usky apny argument k khilaf ja rahy hen.. Well done Raja sahab..❤

[@naumankhan4325]

Mr.Raja Qaiser.....very logical n to da point.......U nailed it...

[@ranaali361]

I think Qaisar sb arguments were quite solid.

[@ghazanfarali6415]

کیا سولیڈ ہے...😊 میڈیم نے اتنا بھاری میک اپ کیا ہے... اس کو نظر انداز کر رہے ہو.. اس گنجے میں تو کوئی خوبصورتی نہیں ہے ...

[@abdulrehmanzahidshah]

​@@ghazanfarali6415agar koi aqal ki baat ki hoti tum ne toh me agree zaror karta lekin afsos

[@-wp6oi]

​@@ghazanfarali6415😂😂😂 tum sab ka yahi masla ha har time sexual relations hi socho

[@Iam_tokyo]

Even in comment section it's evident what people want for their country

[@samiaarif3008]

Because we have been taught Pakistan studies and not the actual history. Kabhi is khawab sy bahir Nikal kar bhi dekhain.

[@kamranjaveed8519]

@@samiaarif3008what is the true history? What was the words of main founders of this nation? Go have a read on Dr Iqbal’s poetry go read on listen to Jinnah’s speeches what was the policy of those people? I myself am from a well off family but the way u so called intellectuals speak is so stupid I’m sorry but i have to use this word because you keep thinking that the poor r being brainwashed by the system but if u r not then stop stuttering nd quote some facts

[@Hasnain_Ashraf]

​@@samiaarif3008actual history na apni gaa*d mein dal le aur nikal ja yahan se

[@theopor5]

​​@@samiaarif3008I as Kashmiri assure you the real delusion is secularism ,the Christian West that you see as ideal model isn't real or your Eastern Neighbour which you see as progressing isn't real. Open you eyes ,try to see the whole picture, it isn't still too late. 😊 Every Society has its loopholes the ones that are good at hiding are to be considered as perfect

[@jetbllackwings]

38:40 yeah except logically Pakistan can never implement the same Shariah as Madinah because KSA is literally the home of Islam. Pakistan’s history is derived from Mughals and Indus valley not Arabs.

[@daddyz8938]

thank god someone mentioned this. I was literally looking for this comment 😭 So many pakistanis are misguided bcs of the Islamic teachings’s origin. That is not geographically our culture or the ignition of our traditions. The Mughal era, and even the era before that of Aryans, and the Buddhists, and Jainism, all lived in a profound relative harmony based on secularity of not just their way of life but also their way of tolerance towards any kind of other people. It is only in quite recent time, pre and post partition era that such an ideology was adopted (which did not get much attention post partition imo) since now mainly people wish to be accommodated according to the new contemporary lifestyles (Anyone is feel free to correct me or disagree with me or add in any contrasting point)

[@CinnabunLove]

Hamain Islam ka manjan nahi chahye poora Islam chahye 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@alishehzad5526]

Very well done Qaiser Raja Sir ❣️

[@nha3920]

Qaser Choteah Raja ko bolo dollar army ke bare mai sach bole jo islam ko tool ki tarah use karti hai.😂

[@Clown5556]

​@Motivationisdeath125are u ass😮?

[@usmankayani4777]

Very well put together the whole argument by MR Raja 👍

[@saquibhussain4789]

Why is it so difficult to understand Qaiser sahab's arguments? Islamic laws kabhi bhi practice nahi hue hain Pakistan mein and that's why Pakistan has become a failed state. That's it. That means Sharia should be properly implemented, and doesn't mean Secularism is the solution. Secularism is a hard drug, with fatal long term consequences. No matter how shiny it looks from the surface.

[@user-wr4fp6cc6i]

Underrated Comment

[@munibrehman9747]

What do you mean sharia has to be "properly implemented" ? Care to explain plz. Pichle 40 saal se bhi toh islamization hi ho rahi hai na. Public education, politics, media har jagah mazhab hi ghussa hua hai na? Why hasn't your perfect islamic utopia based on sharia laws been established yet, since the time of zia ul haq? This is not a taunt but rather a serious academic question. Ap ko kia lagta hai islamic society kia hoti hai and why would you say that pakistan mein shariat properly implement nahi hui?

[@taym2720]

ye dramon mein fuhashi Islamization hai?@@munibrehman9747

[@muhammadhussain5854]

​@munibrehman9747 islam isn't just our mazhab islam is integral part of our culture morals and values that's why it should be implemented

[@saquibhussain4789]

@@munibrehman9747 Muslim/Non Muslim sabke sath insaaf hona chahiye. Sabki jaan equally important honi chahiye. Sabke liye education, healthcare available honi chahiye. Advanced education and acquiring wisdom should be encouraged. Interest (sood) should be eradicated. Perpetrator ameer ho ya gareeb, Muslim ho ya non Muslim, saza milni chahiye. Disagreements pe civilized and conclusive debates and discussions honi chahiye. Insaaf aur raham har jagah practice honi chahiye. Koi bhi bhookha na soye. Zakaat aur sadqa zyada se zyada honi chahiye. Unfair distribution of wealth nahi honi chahiye. Insaan kya jaanwar aur plants ki bhi hifazat honi chahiye. These are some of the fundamental points. No religious or secular nation are doing these things in actuality. Hence, Sharia should be implemented.

[@Seuzain]

Raja Qaiser undoubtedly won this debate driven by Islam means driven by logic

[@muhammadasif-pg9ye]

How

[@MrHaseeb5556]

Absolute productive discussion,the best part is that both participants don't start fighting and arguing like they do on television and nothing comes out of the discussion

[@aliabdullah712]

Qaiser Raja Sahab meticulously debunked Dr Awan's arguments through rational and academic approach, Masha Allah. Hat's off 👍

[@TheFocus1212]

According to many comments Islam is solution then why Pakistan has friend china who doesn't believe in Islam and they want to destroy Islam in China 😅 . China focus on Development and Pakistan on religion. See the difference in economy 😂😂😂 and respect in the world.

[@greenjupiter]

​@@TheFocus1212copy paste clown 🤡 yahan bhi mu utha k agaye

[@cal_me_gulldozer]

@@TheFocus1212 spam account😂

[@nha3920]

Qaser choteah raja ko bolo dollar army ke bare mai sach bole jo islam ka manjan bechti hai.

[@aliabdullah712]

​​@@TheFocus1212 Yes Islam is solution for Pakistan which is currently being dominated by liberal - secular elite (which is in minority but financially powerful) & for your information, Islam hasn't been completely implemented in the country. As far as China-Pak relationship is concerned I wanna tell you that due to being dominated by liberal secular elite, Pakistan is unable to play it's role for Uighurs which it could've.

[@raoshahannaveed6298]

Fantastic Mr.Raja Qaiser 👏

[@NAZionist666]

Shame on Pakistan, a liberal imperialist is ruling you and then liberal of their same group is blaming civilians/religion/muslims. "GALTI KARO TUMLOG , AUR TAANA DOH HAME UN POLICIES KA JO TUMNE BANAYA" Wah bete moj kardi in liberandus neh toh😂 pura checkmate kardiya muslims ko Even the communist aren't so tolerant with this bigotry. Muslims should focus their energy on making the establishment and politicians who ruled(looted) from 70 years

[@TheFocus1212]

According to many comments Islam is solution then why Pakistan has friend china who doesn't believe in Islam and they want to destroy Islam in China 😅 . China focus on Development and Pakistan on religion. See the difference in economy 😂😂😂 and respect in the world.

[@Islamiceditzallah6382]

​@@TheFocus1212 who said you that pakistan focus on religion . Pakistan mai toh abhi hona hai focus religion pai . Pehle Pakistan nai socialism pai focus kia . Result samne hai

[@cal_me_gulldozer]

@@TheFocus1212 wow what a valid argument 👏... Firstly Pakistan haven't been islamify completely which Dr merub admit her/himself, secondly how does that even justify your point of secularizing Pakistan if Pakistan had been in good ties with China.. So it has been with America, United Kingdom, Saudia Arabia, Qatar... So on.. How does that justify to secularize pakistan?

[@Shreaadedaa]

@@TheFocus1212 I think you didnt watch the video, Qaiser sb. answered this,

[@hashiribrahim6301]

Qaiser sb you never fail to impress me. May Allah SWT grant you immense success in your mission.

[@fatimanaz1431]

I really applaud both the contenders for this useful session! Dr. Mehrub is better than those hypocrites who talk super sweet to get everyones love and favor and dont really voice what's inside them. He is openly talking and coming forward for a peaceful debate that dont only benefit himself but all of us in some way or another. And undoubtedly, Raja Qasier is well prepared and well spoken! Mind opening debate! That's the content we need!

[@tahirmahmood9382]

We live a life of double standards. If a Muslim is asked about implementation of Islam as a law of the land ,he will say YES. But at the same time ,he is asked under which law he will opt to be treated Islamic or some other in case he breaks the law of the land,he will say other than Islamic law. Munafik people live here in Pakistan ,Dr Awan arguement is right.

[@hussainakmal3163]

Both are great debaters , I appreciate TCM

[@PabloEscobarG]

Totally agreed with Mr: Raja Qaiser. You didn't impose Secularism on majority of pakistan 90% of pakistan population are Muslims. However in lots of secular countries like France, Russia they have part of policies where hijab is banned and so on.

[@ahmednadeem9242]

Qaiser raja once again owned Dr mehrub and won the debate. Fantastic facts and logical points by qaiser raja sahab

[@nha3920]

Qaser chotiyeah raja ko bolo pehle dollar army ke bare mai sach bole pher islam ka manjan beeche.😂

[@mashoodgulzar7996]

​@@nha3920Stop embarrassing yourself by copy-pasting the same comment, liberals can only rant and it's proved again.

[@nha3920]

@@mashoodgulzar7996 Pehle jawab to daye do choteah raja ke follower. Qaser choteah raja mard hai to dollar army ka sach ko samne laye jis ka Allah dollar hai.

[@nha3920]

@@mashoodgulzar7996 Balochistan mai jo zulm dollar army kar rahi hai us per apna gan_nd jaisa moi nahi kholta surf dr Afia ke liye maut ati hai is begairat ko. Balochistan ke missing loagon ko namaz janaza ke begair kahan dafan kiya hai dollar army ne? Iska jawab hai qaser chotiyah rajah ke pas?

[@hasnainimran8823]

Very good work ❤ Raja Qaiser

[@chrissdev762]

If you look at this debate without prejudice it comes out clearly that Dr Mehrub is talking logically...Mr Raja takes refuge behind Islam, without proving it logically.

[@adambaba7725]

Yes exactly 💯

[@list10s]

Mashallah Raja sahab aapne aik martaba phir dil jeet liya 🥰

[@Berlin-k9s]

Hats off qaiser Ahmed raja sir you are the one of asset of islam

[@KingKing-bd4yb]

lost Asset 😂😂😂

[@nomadbanda9562]

That's why Pakistan is lumber one country in the world

[@nha3920]

Tabhi mulk default hogaya religion ke manjan per.

[@subhanallah6]

@@nha3920Knsa Religious politions ya parties han jo pichly 50 saal sa power ma ha jis na mulk ko default kea ha??

[@nha3920]

@@subhanallah6 Religion ke naam per awaam ko dollar army control karti hai. Religious parties agar power mai aye to woh bhi awaam ke pas dollar army ka pass kiya hua islam lekar aye gi. Jaise Zia ke daur mai hua tha.

[@anaesthete5592]

A secular Pakistan is like questioning the existence of the country

[@nofilkhan6743]

Well the state turned into a shithole and pakistanis want to leave pakistan and immigrate to the west. Maybe we should question the existence of this state and why it turned out so badly for its citizens.

[@KingKing-bd4yb]

Half of Existence broken in 1971 of the Country

[@catmansoor]

​@@KingKing-bd4ybso Bangladesh is secular state? 2 nation theory still stands today

[@d.collection5682]

Excellent debate. I dont know whats the reason of putting background music to this grrat debate! Shlyldve avoided. Kudos to tcm for bringing such topic! Looking forward for more im futrue

[@sabirjutt026]

A great initiative by TCM. At least we are going to start a culture of healthy debate. It is also necessary for ourselves so that we can listen, learn, and clarify our views, in short, our identity.

[@DivineJusticeandLaw]

Emotions are a necessary tool in debate but should not be used at the expense of one's rationality. I felt like lots of points were not answered by Dr Meerub and only Dr Qaiser was carrying forward the debate.

[@kashafwaqar376]

well-reasoned argument by Mr. Raja on the other hand Dr. Moiz got emotional and didn't put forward logical arguments.

[@hashimustaad-gg3dc]

Qasier Bhai ❤❤

[@mohsinafzaal7159]

16:54 disagree sir! Constitution of Pakistan openly discriminates with its own citizens…..it clearly states that a non Muslim cannot be the prime minister or president of Pakistan, is this justice?

[@AtomsToCosmos]

Pakistan is an Islamic state on paper. Do you want to offer powerful positions i.e prime minister or president to a non Muslims and rejecting the constitution. Use some brain sir.

[@fsu3328]

Can you papa USA allow a Muslim Pm are you dumb. Seriously you want a non Muslim to run Pakistan

[@JunaidBaghdadi-s4c]

Why Dr awan don't understand that Islam totally support minority but we are unable to build a true Islamic state

[@CinnabunLove]

It is simple He is an atheist but don’t admit. He is a gay openly admit to that , these things r not support by our religion . That’s y he is after religion and wants to secularism . Jub Khuda ka hi inkaar ker dia jaya to gunnah kerna asaan ho jata he ta k guilt na feel ho

[@ahadsaleemx]

Raja Qaiser 💯

[@rafiullah9262]

Look ; who's here 👀♥️

[@sarimbajwa7607]

Haye Qaiser Bhai Masha'Allah very rational and logical counter replies... Long live Qaiser Bhai

[@zakirmengal103]

Waiting for such a informative discussion..

[@SharafatUK]

Unpopular opinions always come with a price to pay, and that's what Dr. Mehrab is experiencing here. I greatly appreciate that she has been forthright about it, regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees.well done 👏👏

[@sodagarali4442]

You are referring this guy as she. Would you stay your sister or daughter in one room with this guy? Come out from this hypocrisy

[@SharafatUK]

@@sodagarali4442 Thks for your valuable response

[@kamranrasul119]

Mehrub Moiz has more worldly knowledge than Qaiser Raja no doubt. However, Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan, my personal bias.

[@huzaifiat]

Team Qaisar Ahmad Raja 🙋‍♂

[@Byju2869]

If what Rajah says is true where have all the minorities vanished in Pakistan from 17% in 1947 minorities are 2% now,Dr Mehrub is a brave progressive intellectual.

[@shakeelhamidful]

They are still here bro

[@SheikhMoeezIqbal448]

Where is source only lundians and their b@st@rd people say this Lindu Pakistan Mai Muslims migrate huye thy 98 percent infact vo ab kam huky 95 py agaye hai

[@catmansoor]

Kindly provide evidence of that 17% number

[@sodagarali4442]

Abe Bhai ziada tar minorities east Pakistan me rehte the us waqt. Aaj wo Bangladesh h.

[@saeed-ali-uet]

Aur iss k sath ye k abhi tk Pakistan main Islamic khilafit nai hy tu apka ye point abhi bnta hi nai hy,

[@amil_e_kamil8677]

Raja cleverly played a logical fallacy. Fallacy in philosophy means that if majority holds a opinion than you should also hold up that opinion and values. If majority believes in something even than the individual has the right to hold his\her opinion which is different from the masses. Dr.Mehroob You are Rocking

[@Coursecrasher2010]

Qaiser Ahmad raja I think never ever said in this program that your opinions should not be different from the opinions I have. But if 5 people want to have a secular state and 15 people want to have an Islamic state then it is okay democratically to declare the state an Islamic one.

[@amil_e_kamil8677]

@@Coursecrasher2010 He used the word 'enforcing secularism'. No one here has power to enforce. Every one is just trying to educate others about secularism. Watch the show again.

[@Qasimkhan-sng]

You can have your opinions but you can not impose them on majority.

[@amil_e_kamil8677]

@@Qasimkhan-sng This is what said by the Mehroob too but still Raja sahab said that why you are imposing secularism on society. I personally ask you who here where Laws like 295C exists can impose the secularism on others.

[@Coursecrasher2010]

@@amil_e_kamil8677 He was actually making it clear that if you impose secularism that wouldn't be democratic. He even said that go for a party having a clear secular manifesto, if people vote you we are there to accept your secularism.

[@Ramsssh]

good approach towards civilised way of discussing controversial subjects.

[@SamyamBhagat]

This is really awesome. Islam puri tarha se naafis hona chahiye.. in sha Allah

[@jin-zd9ko]

That is correct, but wich islam?

[@SamyamBhagat]

@@jin-zd9ko Allah ka kanoon, Allah ka islam ☪️. The way prophet ruled that's wht we want.

[@abdullahdeenwazir]

A debate between Emotionalism vs Intellectualism

[@Khan-tf1sd]

YES Qaiser Raja= Emotional Dr Mehrub= Intellectual

[@abdullahdeenwazir]

@@Khan-tf1sd 😀 such debates are not meant for kids. Ap world cup enjoy karo

[@Khan-tf1sd]

@@abdullahdeenwazir says be an emotionally fool & cult worshipper, The audacity Lmao

[@silentlips7103]

​@@abdullahdeenwazir 😂😂😂 zabardast👍🏻

[@humbly_valueable]

It is also between intellectualism and pseudointellectualism.

[@AliAhmad-rm7wx]

More power to you raja saab 🔥🔥

[@Hammadaziz03]

Honestly speaking, I didn’t see any intellectual argument from Mehrub. It was all emotions and rhetorics. This has been clear throughout. Raja sahab on the other hand rebutted atleast 6 to 8 points in the opening remarks by Mehrub while Mehrub dragged just one point for 8 minutes using emotions and rhetorics. Seems like it’s emotions/ rhetorics vs intellect.

[@mr.xyzzzz5758]

Mehrub knows about history and politics more than raja and she's far more well-read on these matters. The debate is between religious sentimentality and rationality

[@faraazsiddiqui1450]

​@@mr.xyzzzz5758Moiz doesn't even know what the problem is.Islam is the solution not the problem.Capitalism is a product of secularism not Islam.Islam says that the rich people should pay 2.5% of their wealth tax to the government and there is no tax on poor people in Islam and even for minorities if poor people are there in their communities there will be no jizya for them and jizya will be paid by rich minorities.Moiz doesn't know anything about Islam and he is strawmaning the argument.He has never read a book on Fiqh and Hadith throughout his life.Even I can debunk his arguments. Islam prohibits killing non-Muslims living under Muslim rule. It was narrated from ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Amr (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Whoever kills a mu‘ahid (a non-Muslim living under Muslim rule) will not smell the fragrance of Paradise, although its fragrance may be detected from a distance of forty years.” Narrated by al-Bukhari, 2995 “What is meant is one who has a deal with the Muslims, whether that is by paying jizyah or a have treaties and guarantees of security. Whoever transgresses against them has misrepresented Islam and has given Islam an image of terrorism, treachery and betrayal. The one who adheres to the rulings of Islam and respects treaties and covenants is one for whom it is hoped that he will do well and succeed.” (Fatawa Ibn Uthaymin, 15:493) 7- Islam prohibits committing transgression and commands justice. Concerning that Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “and let not the hatred of some people in (once) stopping you from Al-Masjid al-Haram (at Makkah) lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part).” [al-Maidah 5:2] “and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety.” [al-Maidah 5:8]. “Look at what these verses contain of noble characteristics and the command to respond to the one who disobeys Allah concerning you by obeying Allah concerning him.” (Adwa al-Bayan by Al-Shinqiti 3:50) The problem is that Islam is not implemented properly and there is a lack of knowledge about it in people.If we agree secular state is solution so what is happening in India with minorities nowadays which is also a secular state.Even France has banned Abaya and imposed fine on it.

[@Hammadaziz03]

@@mr.xyzzzz5758 he is not sure of his gender, let alone knowing else in the world. Get some sense plz

[@mr.xyzzzz5758]

@@Hammadaziz03 in fact, you don't know that people can exist beyond the dichotomy of gender. Educate yourself, what do u know abt the world?

[@Hammadaziz03]

@@mr.xyzzzz5758 almost everything.

[@Nasi.reviews]

Pakistan ki state islam k liye hasil ki gai. We are Grateful for having this land to practice our religion ISLAM. It's clear for ever for the whole world mehrab jese logo..... 🙄 Qaiser sahb you are Great 🔥

[@aimanch.9921]

Awan sahab said that in pre Pakistan history, Muslims just wanted a separate electorate👏.It was well denied by Raja sahab that "for what purpose The Pakistan Resolution,1940 was?" And why did Chauhdary Rahmat Ali deviced a name "Pakistan" in 1931? And what did Allama Iqbal say in his 1930 khutba Ala'baad? Was not it about making a separate homeland for the Muslims where they could practice and implement their religion. >>>Ab ye kal ke gender or sex ke jagrey me phasy hoye bache btayen gy ke ham to PAKISTAN BNANA hi nai CHAHTEY the.... pta ni khud ba khud ban gaya.💥wowww

[@misbahhanif6072]

Qaiser ahmad raja very intellectual person. Allah u Akbar

[@muhammadmustafa2684]

20:14 sir QAISER : Impose ISLAM as a DEEN not just as a religion then u all liberals and seculars can point any unfairity if u able to point out 🥹🥹 That really touch my Heart ❤❤❤ Thanku sir for clearing my question ❤❤❤

[@najmuddin1682]

We appreciate TCM for starting such debates between intellectuals... It is necessary for our young generation to understand each other point of view., 👍

[@hscargoservice]

Wao what a peacefully and logically with facts mr qaisar raja reply for all the questions and mis cunseptions great

[@meetjamilraja]

I want to say to Dr Mahrab,,, MOHTARMA see the comments you will notice that us Pakistani want Islamic system only.

[@abdulwaqar4760]

Raja Qaisar sb lots of respect for you and your efforts towards this fitna

[@nha3920]

Qaser Raja qadiani hai.🙂

[@Zoro-dv6xl]

17:20 Excellent point. Ma Shaa Allah, Qaiser Sir clearly schooled He/She/It/I/We/They/You.

[@asmatullah4475]

Well done Qaiser Ahmad raja sahb❤

[@Jannatkh-p9d]

Islam Zindabad Islamic states & countries Zindabad

[@JamshaidAli-t2i]

A good platform for such kind of discussion and academia for learning ❤

[@AkAk-kl6dc]

qaiser ahmad raja is excellent