What was the Idea of Pakistan? | Part 02 | TCM Debate Ft. Raja Qaisar and Mehrub Moiz

TCM Debates Round 02 is about rebuttals on whether Pakistan should be a religious state or a secular one. Let us know who you think won this round and whether you're on Team Raja Qaisar or Team Mehrub Moiz, and why.
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[@abumuhammad4496]

آپ زبردستی کسی پر دین مسلط نہیں کرسکتے تو نوے فیصد مسلمانوں پر سیکولرزم کیسے مسلط کرسکتے ہیں ۔ زبردست قیصر بھائی ۔

[@docshah.]

Agree.

[@professorhakeemmuhammadadn8872]

رب کی زمین پر رب کا نظام پاکستان پاکستان

[@professorhakeemmuhammadadn8872]

اسلام ہمارے لیے کافی ہے۔

[@docshah.]

@@professorhakeemmuhammadadn8872 bilkul, Agr main khana khata hn or neighbor bhoka h to secularism k law main thk hn but according to islam main mujrim hn... Itna piyara mazhab koi nahe

[@professorhakeemmuhammadadn8872]

ہمارے لیے اسلام ہی کافی ہے محرب صاحبہ اللہ ہمیں ہدایت دے آمین

[@user-mq9mc8hg1s]

Raja Sahb you absolutely nailed the "Disgusting propaganda" salute to you sir❤

[@napoleon25]

Landay ka Raja qaisar....😂

[@ghaurijutt367]

Sir Qaisar not only bashed the secular arguments but also talked for the rights of Balochistan being a Punjabi this shows us that its the "leaders" who divide us but the people want unity and equal distribution of rights and responsibilities. Well done sir

[@danishshah8940]

Qaisar Raja's points and answers were logical, rational & intellectual. Excellent 👌.

[@ahmadHaris-lw5ey]

More power to Raja Qaiser sahab.Lots of love from Indian occupied Kashmir.

[@DontOpenThisChannel]

And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)

[@arjunsharma3925]

1400 sal pehle Saudi ki tatti main Allha k paida hone se hazaro sal pehle Kashmir Kashmiri pandito ka tha aur rahe ga

[@PawanRao007]

Apizyor 😂😂😂 not kashmiri at all.

[@ahmadHaris-lw5ey]

@@PawanRao007 Adsa gobra

[@PawanRao007]

Adsa gobara 💩💩

[@nosheenalmas4960]

Mehrub is trying to consider LGBTQ community as minority and for that she is demanding secularism.. otherwise under religion he/she and her/his whole community can’t enjoy the perks of being LGBTQ😂 bat he khatam.. Raja sahab k liye dhair sari duaen … You nailed it ❤

[@faisalali5025]

Ye cheez

[@dastaan4994]

ist let him/her decide his/her gender 😂

[@sahirkhan-bk7uc]

Mehrub admi hai bas dadhi save kara kar aur aurto ke kapde pahn liya hai 😂

[@AA-cu4jo]

aren't LGBTQ human beings too? don't they deserve human rights too like everyone else? that's why we need secularism so that everyone can live safely and freely and no one can can say you can't do that because my religion doesn't say so..

[@nosheenalmas4960]

@@AA-cu4jo seems you are a part of that tini tiny community too.. let me tell u one thing … MAJORITY wins and WE are majority .. you want secularism .. go somewhere else

[@naeemyousaf3049]

This debate wasn't about Secularism v. Religion. It was about emotionalism v. Intellectualism. Decide for yourselves who used emotions and who used intellect (Copied) . Dr Moiz Emotionally played well and confused the Pakistanis, but then Raja Sahab came to the stage and made the debate intellectual and argumentative. Well done Sir Qaiser🫀✨

[@bilalqasuri3045]

Raja Qaiser Ahmad Destroyed Mehrub's discussion... Proud to be Muslim and proud to be a follower of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

[@muhammadmustafa2684]

Religion is enough. We want ISLAM as a DEEN ❤❤

[@pakistanispoof5440]

But we don't want it. Secularism more Islamic in reality

[@musalone1405]

😂😂😂

[@nha3920]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ExamCracker912]

😢

[@nha3920]

Kon sa deen? Firqa decide karlo. Bata hua deen kisi kaam ka nahi.

[@sHaseebali]

TCM Orginals, i highly suggest that a debate's recording should not be broken down into parts. This completely disrupts the flow of thoughts that the audience needs to develop in order to reach to a logical conclusion for themselves.

[@hashaamtayyab1518]

Paisa bhi tu banana ha videos zyada karka😂

[@haafizsaadaatsayyad6935]

AS AN INDIAN MUSLIM I WANT TO ASK THIS LADY IF PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN DID NOT WANT ISLAMIC NATION THEN WHY DID PARTITION HAPPENED? WHY DID THOUSANDS OF INDIAN MUSLIMS “For People Of Pakistan” SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES? WHAT WAS THE DREAM OF MUSAWWIR E PAKISTAN “ALLAMA IQBAL” ? PLEASE REPLY IF YOU READ MY COMMENT.

[@jetbllackwings]

Yeah and we’ve tasted the fruits of an all Islamic state back in Zia’s reign and do not wish to repeat that mistake. Being a Muslim can be part of your identity but that’s doesn’t mean world’s 5th largest population should now be enforced to practice Islam till the last day on earth.

[@haafizsaadaatsayyad6935]

@@jetbllackwings No one forcing you,neither you can force anyone else. but ask other world 5th largest population of the earth is well and then decide. If you think Zia ul HAQQ introduced Islamic system in Pakistan then my brother or sister sorry to say that you don’t know even Basic of Islamic System or history of Zia ul HAQQ regime. He just used the name of Islam Same ways as other Pakistani so called Muslims liberals politicians are using it. And if you just want to use islam as an ID without following it then Islam doesn’t need you. You can use your parents as an ID without Respecting and giving them their rights.

[@jetbllackwings]

⁠​⁠@@haafizsaadaatsayyad6935​​⁠​⁠​⁠So close yet so far. That’s exactly Mehrub’s argument. It’s against the use of Islamic touch manjan sold by our politicians and introducing an Islamic regime will further blur the lines even more. No one is “forcing” you to be secuar but an Islamic constitution can only be set in motion by force. Secularism is not a policy that requires enforcement it’s only an idea that exists to protect minorities. Pakistan should be fully capable of forming it’s constitution and policies without the need to take inspiration from KSA. We are not Arabs. We have a rich history of Mughals and Indus valley civilization and to water it down to a “Muslim” identity is totally brainless and implausible. You don’t even know the basics, it’s not the “liberal” politicians, rather far right religious hegemony elites have been using Islamic touch for years and the only solution is to denounce this hybrid ideology that brings harm to both religion and politics while simultaneously facilitating elites to steal resources from middle-lower class citizens.

[@donjames7647]

Partition was done by the British, and Hindu leaders who did not want Muslims to be majority in United india .

[@user-cj4wt6kj3c]

Yah lady ni leda hai lol

[@realg701]

It's not about who wins, it's solely about fixing our mistakes and making a peaceful and intellectual environment for our future generation. Allahu'Akbar!

[@hamoodurrehman4331]

Awan was refuting himself in his arguments all the time. He accepted that Islamic system worked best 1400y ago and he failed to produce any argument in which he could tell the audience that this Islamic law is problematic. All the time he was describing problems created by secular elite people 😅 and Raja Qaisar sb good to remind him that yes! These problems are genuine and solution is implementation of Islamic laws which provide protection and rights to everyone ❤

[@DontOpenThisChannel]

And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)

[@azmatali3823]

I would like to reiterate, which Islamic law? Which interpretation of Islamic law? Which Islamic state is truly Islamic? What manifesto do you think Raja shb has of the Islamic state? At least Dr. Mehrub was clear that we do not need Western secularism. SHE elucidated that we want an indigenous, affirmative and post-secular model in Pakistan.

[@shantanudasgupta7935]

​@@DontOpenThisChannelExtremist form of Islam will kill Pakistan. Just watch.

[@qasimkhan-ji7ew]

she also did not gave any example of perfect secular state but demonded for an ideal Islamic state , moreover she said which islamic sharia but the same question can be asked about which secular system? secularism of america,france,russia or Mrs Awan and desi librals own secularism?

[@MR.FlyingMonkey]

Arey Bhai , "He" "Himself" "him" mat bolo isko😂😂 Kahi yeh gussa nah hojaay😂😂 Yeh liberals ka choti choti baato meh BP sh00t kar jaata hai. Pata nahi kaunsa gender hai iska...🙈 Inka toh roj badalte rehta hai🙈

[@HamidChaudhury]

Respect for Raja Sb has been continuously increasing. ❤️❤️❤️ Thank you for being a sane voice in the era of mentally ill people.

[@napoleon25]

Sane Raja qaisar 😂.... you guys are mentally ill. Pakistan anyways is a s***hole.

[@khurmiful]

Lot of people will consider your comments as of that of a mentally ill person, because you don’t know how to conduct a political discourse as a normal person.

[@rajadaud7591]

Raja Saab you Nailed it, literally you gave the shut-up call to this LGBTQ Propaganda.

[@Abdul-Baseer]

Always fun to watch Qaiser bhai destroying these ineligible individuals with technical faults with their beings. Grab your popcorns and enjoy the thrilling rides with Qaiser bhai .. What a calm and composed response he gives. A true gentleman Ma Sha Allah

[@whitedevil8238]

Hahaha so funny..bro this why you are depending on kafir counteris ap ko bheek dy Ra hai Europe or America hahhj ya ap ki Islam ki ukat

[@aahmudabbaas]

Qaiser Bhai: facts and stats😮 Mueez Bhai: emotions and confusions😅

[@subhanallah6]

Ye khusra bhai ha ya bahn

[@whitedevil8238]

Hahaha pata chly ga abi SBR kro abi Sadia arbia Mai dance chl Ra or Pakistan tu hota hi hai it's not your fucking religion

[@rupeshsuthar242]

Randibaaajjj Namrd khajir ke jehniyat gulam ho 😂 arbic rattu gaadu phle vo pdna shikh kese hai

[@usamasaleem9460]

​@@subhanallah6yh convert hva wa ha man sa woman ma😅

[@subhanallah6]

@@usamasaleem9460 bhai mard ha asl ma Maria B na expose kea ha isy Ye jhot bol rha ha k ma khusra ya transgender hon

[@JFKKhan]

This debate wasn't about Secularism v. Religion. It was about emotionalism v. Intellectualism. Decide for yourselves who used emotions and who used intellect.

[@Ex-HinduKakaAsur]

Bilkul 💯

[@tay974]

Excellent comment

[@NAZionist666]

This debate was fantastic😂 "Awan is blaming Mazhab/muslims because of situation of Pakistan which is in the hands of liberal imperialists for 50-60 years" In simple words :- Their own kin (90%political heads) are not delivering justice to their post and responsibilities but the same kin is blaming civilians for their kin's failure and corruption 😂 ULTA CHOR KOTWAL KO DANTE🗿 If we implement only one rule of shariat on Corrupt politicians and institutions (billionaires) The next day they will be crying on roads. 😂 If we apply one rule of shariat on People who disturb minorities, then the cr!minals would do su!cide themselves in fear. Deen/islam = discipline If you want to do mujra then go do...but never blame us for your liberal leader's failure who didn't followed islam, and just used islam for votes.

[@sobabkhan3951]

Exactly

[@johanliebert6198]

Yes, muhrub was only throwing emotional tantrums

[@mayakhan2785]

Raja Qaiser undoubtedly won this debate driven by Islam means driven by logic

[@muhammadasif-pg9ye]

How

[@hasnainimran8823]

Islam ❤ Raja Qaiser ❤

[@DontOpenThisChannel]

And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)

[@themyself1212]

According to many comments Islam is solution then why Pakistan has friend china who doesn't believe in Islam and they want to destroy Islam in China 😅 . China focus on Development and Pakistan on religion. See the difference in economy 😂😂😂 and respect in the world.

[@greenjupiter]

​@@themyself1212baray hi koi thanday mutmaeen beghairat ho har comment k neechay same copy paste comment kar kar k zaleel ho rahay ho sab k hathon

[@user-vr7pc8es6o]

@@themyself1212 so does pakistan has Saudia Arabia , Qatar and turkey as aliies so ? You are making no point?

[@Faizayul]

​@@themyself1212china has only one party. There's no democracy there.

[@derpyninjahere5992]

agar apne isse upar aur iske baad wali ayat parhi hoti toh ap ye comment nahi karti/karte. "But why do they come to you for judgment when they have the Torah containing Allah’s judgment, then they turn away after all? They are not believers". (Maidah 43). According to this Jewish and others judicial system was seperate from Muslims and they had their own governments and courts. Look up the Meethaq e Medina clause 25-31 for this and other historicaloral tradition and documentation. "So let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed in it. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are the rebellious". (5:47). Self-explanatory ayah, dont have to say anything. Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (Baqarah 256). This is the end of discussion on Islam and secularism.

[@hashimustaad-gg3dc]

Qasier Bhai ❤❤

[@Gamingchanneltech]

Qaiser Raja sahab you gem💎 no emotional arguments, no illogical fellacy but only rational intellectual arguments...won my heart ❤️

[@nha3920]

Qaser Raja qadiani hai. Qadiani gem hai?😂

[@hasnainimran8823]

Very good work ❤ Raja Qaiser

[@HaiderAli-ke2pi]

Big Big change. I am just happy that we are actually talking about these things. I mean not so long ago talking about secularism was a kind of taboo and now we get to see debates on Theocracy vs non-theocracy. It means sanity is prevailing. The TCM team never stops surprising us. Good work.

[@ubaidurrehman8252]

Thank you, Raja Qaisar Sahab, for representing us there. Your exemplary representation reflects the core values of our people. We look forward to seeing you as our leader. ❣❣

[@SamyamBhagat]

This is really awesome. Islam puri tarha se naafis hona chahiye.. in sha Allah

[@jin-zd9ko]

That is correct, but wich islam?

[@SamyamBhagat]

@@jin-zd9ko Allah ka kanoon, Allah ka islam ☪️. The way prophet ruled that's wht we want.

[@KhalidKhan-lz3er]

Such a delightful discussion, hope this initiative may continue and enlightened our people both liberal and theocratic. Thanks TCM❤❤❤

[@themyself1212]

According to many comments Islam is solution then why Pakistan has friend china who doesn't believe in Islam and they want to destroy Islam in China 😅 . China focus on Development and Pakistan on religion. See the difference in economy 😂😂😂 and respect in the world.

[@Shreaadedaa]

@@themyself1212 how many times will you copy and paste this when it has already been answered in the video by Qaiser sb.???

[@khadija.8624]

​@@themyself1212 its the same as saying why there are isralei products and brands run in sales in Pakistan when we don't recognise israel as a country state. Qaisar raja already said it all in debate and that the thing why sharia law and Islam as a deen need to be implemented in Pakistan

[@KhalidKhan-lz3er]

@@themyself1212 i would recommend you watch specifically the concluding remarks by the host. The agreement of others on certain points shows that we have a moderate system in which there is a proper check and balance on both theocracy and liberalism

[@fffreefire9394]

​@@themyself1212I think you need watch this video again

[@abdulahad9793]

Raja Qaiser 💯

[@rafiullah9262]

Look ; who's here 👀♥️

[@nidaakhtar7787]

Dr mehrub point is very clear cut and true. Pakistan is a secular state in its foundation . A person even having a little understanding about history can Know it

[@BilalAnsari-gz4zm]

4:05 she said partition sirf Punjab ki hui he😂😂😂... Hailing from India we listen to stories from our grandparents being killed in southern parts of India during this event for just being a muslim

[@raoshahannaveed6298]

Fantastic Mr.Raja Qaiser 👏

[@NAZionist666]

Shame on Pakistan, a liberal imperialist is ruling you and then liberal of their same group is blaming civilians/religion/muslims. "GALTI KARO TUMLOG , AUR TAANA DOH HAME UN POLICIES KA JO TUMNE BANAYA" Wah bete moj kardi in liberandus neh toh😂 pura checkmate kardiya muslims ko Even the communist aren't so tolerant with this bigotry. Muslims should focus their energy on making the establishment and politicians who ruled(looted) from 70 years

[@themyself1212]

According to many comments Islam is solution then why Pakistan has friend china who doesn't believe in Islam and they want to destroy Islam in China 😅 . China focus on Development and Pakistan on religion. See the difference in economy 😂😂😂 and respect in the world.

[@Islamiceditzallah6382]

​@@themyself1212 who said you that pakistan focus on religion . Pakistan mai toh abhi hona hai focus religion pai . Pehle Pakistan nai socialism pai focus kia . Result samne hai

[@cal_me_gulldozer]

@@themyself1212 wow what a valid argument 👏... Firstly Pakistan haven't been islamify completely which Dr merub admit her/himself, secondly how does that even justify your point of secularizing Pakistan if Pakistan had been in good ties with China.. So it has been with America, United Kingdom, Saudia Arabia, Qatar... So on.. How does that justify to secularize pakistan?

[@Shreaadedaa]

@@themyself1212 I think you didnt watch the video, Qaiser sb. answered this,

[@zainalee]

DR MEHRUB just crying in a corner, well done raja qaiser sab, Live long

[@nha3920]

Qaser Choteah raja se bolo dollar army ke bare mai sach bole ke kaise religion ko lollipop ki tarah use karti hai. 😂

[@maujeidraak6952]

Meerub Did great Job to Come Fwd

[@syrajatt6141]

Correction Moiz Awan (not Meerub)

[@syrajatt6141]

​@@nha3920wo bol chuka hai Army or democracy k baray main bi agar isko follow krtay hotay itni fazool baat na krtay and army don't use Religion as a weapon but nationalism. So educate yourself first 🤡

[@nha3920]

@@syrajatt6141 Yeah nahi bola kabhi Qaser Chotiyah Raja ne ke Islam ko kaise use karti hai dollar army. Educate tum karo apne app ko kanjar ki aulad. General Zia ne islam ke naam per parai afghan jung mai pakistan ko kaise jhonka islam ke naam per aur barbad kiya? Pakistan mai Allah dollar hai army ke liye. Yeah kyon nahi bhonkta? Zia ka islam bhi chal raha hai Pakistan mai 40 saal se.😂

[@zaraammad5840]

I would request the people behind this initiative ( this series) to keep bringing such content. In my opinion, it's highly beneficial. Great work,MA.👏

[@achabacha3328]

Raja qaisar is on point.. Koi b bat wo samny Betha/bethi kr raha/rahi he. Wo sb usky apny argument k khilaf ja rahy hen.. Well done Raja sahab..❤

[@huzaifiat]

Team Qaisar Ahmad Raja 🙋‍♂

[@RMZUA]

Well Done ✅ Raja Qaiser bhai

[@thefoodie_shorts]

RAJA QAISER AGAIN MAILED IT. HE SPEAKS WITH EVIDENCE AND GROUND REALITY ❤❤❤

[@alishehzad5526]

Very well done Qaiser Raja Sir ❣️

[@nha3920]

Qaser Choteah Raja ko bolo dollar army ke bare mai sach bole jo islam ko tool ki tarah use karti hai.😂

[@Clown5556]

​@Motivationisdeath125are u ass😮?

[@sweetrafay2]

Really appreciate TCM for holding such debates

[@DontOpenThisChannel]

And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are disbelievers. (Qur'an 5:44)

[@haiderbhatti666]

​@@DontOpenThisChannellol don't throw a religious vail over the issue

[@kupwarekstar]

​@@haiderbhatti666...who made issues

[@huzaifah03]

@@haiderbhatti666 lol thats literally what the debate is about

[@greenemerald373]

@@haiderbhatti666 so called followers of liberalism and Desi Agrez people don't even know the difference between Vail and veil and they talk about Islam as they learned and perfected the knowledge of it ,and they think that they can criticize it with their teaspoonful knowledge 😂

[@doctor_of_andbhakt]

Qaisar bhai ne doctor ka hi operation kar diya😂😂😂 thank you qaisar bhai❤❤🤲🤲🤲 jazakallahu khair

[@SharafatUK]

Unpopular opinions always come with a price to pay, and that's what Dr. Mehrab is experiencing here. I greatly appreciate that she has been forthright about it, regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees.well done 👏👏

[@sodagarali4442]

You are referring this guy as she. Would you stay your sister or daughter in one room with this guy? Come out from this hypocrisy

[@SharafatUK]

@@sodagarali4442 Thks for your valuable response

[@lucky8724]

Raja's arguments vs Mehrub's emotionalistic ranting.

[@doityourselfpakistan6535]

Mehrubs spited some real facts , generally people here will go for emotional style non facts of Qasir raja as we are all rbain washed for this since long . and thats why humara aita amzing hahalat hin,

[@AbubakarMunir712]

​@@doityourselfpakistan6535 which real facts? Which particular thing tell us that Muslims are brainwashed and not the seculars. Qaiser Ahmad challenged him to show a single law or act which is against the fundamental rights of human. But he cannot tell even one. The countries having secularism have one of the highest crime rates in the world. So according to you they should adopt sharia because in muslims countries like saudia it is one of the countries having lowest crime rates in the world.

[@user-id7ge1nl3m]

Raja Qaisar won not only the debate, but hearts

[@nha3920]

Dimag theek hai? Jis hypocrite admi ko dollar army ke bare mai sach bolne ki himmat nahi woh islam ka manjan beech raha hai.😂

[@anshuraj4277]

Losers

[@fatimanaz1431]

I really applaud both the contenders for this useful session! Dr. Mehrub is better than those hypocrites who talk super sweet to get everyones love and favor and dont really voice what's inside them. He is openly talking and coming forward for a peaceful debate that dont only benefit himself but all of us in some way or another. And undoubtedly, Raja Qasier is well prepared and well spoken! Mind opening debate! That's the content we need!

[@dm6600]

I am unable to find part 3 please provide link and mention me ( Jazakallah )

[@ranaali361]

I think Qaisar sb arguments were quite solid.

[@ghazanfarali6415]

کیا سولیڈ ہے...😊 میڈیم نے اتنا بھاری میک اپ کیا ہے... اس کو نظر انداز کر رہے ہو.. اس گنجے میں تو کوئی خوبصورتی نہیں ہے ...

[@abdulrehmanzahidshah]

​@@ghazanfarali6415agar koi aqal ki baat ki hoti tum ne toh me agree zaror karta lekin afsos

[@-wp6oi]

​@@ghazanfarali6415😂😂😂 tum sab ka yahi masla ha har time sexual relations hi socho

[@Iam_tokyo]

Even in comment section it's evident what people want for their country

[@samiaarif3008]

Because we have been taught Pakistan studies and not the actual history. Kabhi is khawab sy bahir Nikal kar bhi dekhain.

[@kamranjaveed8519]

@@samiaarif3008what is the true history? What was the words of main founders of this nation? Go have a read on Dr Iqbal’s poetry go read on listen to Jinnah’s speeches what was the policy of those people? I myself am from a well off family but the way u so called intellectuals speak is so stupid I’m sorry but i have to use this word because you keep thinking that the poor r being brainwashed by the system but if u r not then stop stuttering nd quote some facts

[@Hasnain_Ashraf]

​@@samiaarif3008actual history na apni gaa*d mein dal le aur nikal ja yahan se

[@theopor5]

​​@@samiaarif3008I as Kashmiri assure you the real delusion is secularism ,the Christian West that you see as ideal model isn't real or your Eastern Neighbour which you see as progressing isn't real. Open you eyes ,try to see the whole picture, it isn't still too late. 😊 Every Society has its loopholes the ones that are good at hiding are to be considered as perfect

[@MuhammadUmar-xr8vg]

Dr.awan keeps a good expression of communication but it cannot change emotions into rationality. QAR sir, thank you for illuminating our minds and leading us to find truth.❤

[@aimeebutt2388]

HUGE RESPECT FOR RAJA QAISER ❤

[@AmmarHashme]

Sensible counter-argumentation by Mr. Raja; he is clearly leading the debate by connecting the dots excellently and defending his viewpoint. On the contrary, his opponent is dominated by emotions rather than presenting well-founded arguments.

[@mr.xyzzzz5758]

Mehrub is far more intelligent and knowledgeable than qaiser raja. I think you r blindfolded

[@pakistanispoof5440]

@@mr.xyzzzz5758 Qiaser is conflating left wing and liberals. Ofc he is a moron

[@mashoodgulzar7996]

​@@mr.xyzzzz5758You are funny.

[@malikadnan7]

lol@@mr.xyzzzz5758

[@Fiscalsniper]

⁠@@mr.xyzzzz5758i think intellectuality is also known as taking your opponent’s arguments not personal or with emotions we can clearly see that when mr raja was presenting his case ms awan was constantly making faces or laughing which shows what is her EQ level and low level of emotional control. so clearly mr raja wins here as to your answer about who is more knowledgeable

[@sameerthevip]

For me, as an Indian, people like Qaiser Ahmed Raja give a lot of hope. His clarity of thought is amazing. Winning debates and hearts together.

[@sahasss7100]

​@2107Slashkaash tere maa baap 47 me chale jate😍😍

[@sahasss7100]

@2107Slash abb chala ja bhai, India safe ho jaega thoda

[@sahasss7100]

@2107Slash humare liye hua bhai, that's one less stone pelter we have to worry about 😌

[@sahasss7100]

@2107Slash that's even better 😍

[@sameerthevip]

Hinduon aur liberals ko tadapta hua dekh ke maza hi aata hai 😂😂 Burn in your own rage.

[@khubaibahmad2344]

Thank You Qaisar Ahmad Raja for representing true pakistani. You nailed it. Keep shining Sir.

[@aimanch.9921]

Awan sahab said that in pre Pakistan history, Muslims just wanted a separate electorate👏.It was well denied by Raja sahab that "for what purpose The Pakistan Resolution,1940 was?" And why did Chauhdary Rahmat Ali deviced a name "Pakistan" in 1931? And what did Allama Iqbal say in his 1930 khutba Ala'baad? Was not it about making a separate homeland for the Muslims where they could practice and implement their religion. >>>Ab ye kal ke gender or sex ke jagrey me phasy hoye bache btayen gy ke ham to PAKISTAN BNANA hi nai CHAHTEY the.... pta ni khud ba khud ban gaya.💥wowww

[@shahwajid4050]

Its quite surprising the person who is himself in the identity crises one day male another day female.... wants to give the identity to the state by its so called secular laws

[@samiaarif3008]

Maybe human life isn't linear. Humans make mistakes. Why is there a concept of forgiveness in religions?

[@anascs22]

but religion does not allow you to change your identity/gender, which religion allow you to change your identity ?@@samiaarif3008

[@sibtainhaider2411]

​@@samiaarif3008During an argument, you cannot revert to status quo when you have actively challenged an idea. After that it's between you and Allah.

[@malaktalharahman8450]

Qaisar Ahmad Raja 🔥🔥☝️✌🏼

[@user-bl8hp9fq4s]

Qaiser Ahmed Raja just nailed it again.

[@PabloEscobarG]

Totally agreed with Mr: Raja Qaiser. You didn't impose Secularism on majority of pakistan 90% of pakistan population are Muslims. However in lots of secular countries like France, Russia they have part of policies where hijab is banned and so on.

[@d.collection5682]

Excellent debate. I dont know whats the reason of putting background music to this grrat debate! Shlyldve avoided. Kudos to tcm for bringing such topic! Looking forward for more im futrue

[@naumankhan4325]

Mr.Raja Qaiser.....very logical n to da point.......U nailed it...

[@Hassan-us6jh]

Qiaser Sahab with The win again. Statements like in the previous part were backed up by evdience by Qiaser Sahab..... also they were logical and precise.Alhamdulillah.

[@imsc6g15]

What an intelligent man he is ❤❤ Jazak Allah Qaiser bhi , we want Islam

[@sabirjutt026]

A great initiative by TCM. At least we are going to start a culture of healthy debate. It is also necessary for ourselves so that we can listen, learn, and clarify our views, in short, our identity.

[@usmankayani4777]

Very well put together the whole argument by MR Raja 👍

[@aliabdullah712]

Qaiser Raja Sahab meticulously debunked Dr Awan's arguments through rational and academic approach, Masha Allah. Hat's off 👍

[@themyself1212]

According to many comments Islam is solution then why Pakistan has friend china who doesn't believe in Islam and they want to destroy Islam in China 😅 . China focus on Development and Pakistan on religion. See the difference in economy 😂😂😂 and respect in the world.

[@greenjupiter]

​@@themyself1212copy paste clown 🤡 yahan bhi mu utha k agaye

[@cal_me_gulldozer]

@@themyself1212 spam account😂

[@nha3920]

Qaser choteah raja ko bolo dollar army ke bare mai sach bole jo islam ka manjan bechti hai.

[@aliabdullah712]

​​@@themyself1212 Yes Islam is solution for Pakistan which is currently being dominated by liberal - secular elite (which is in minority but financially powerful) & for your information, Islam hasn't been completely implemented in the country. As far as China-Pak relationship is concerned I wanna tell you that due to being dominated by liberal secular elite, Pakistan is unable to play it's role for Uighurs which it could've.

[@user-jj8hs9tm4q]

A good platform for such kind of discussion and academia for learning ❤

[@MrHaseeb5556]

Absolute productive discussion,the best part is that both participants don't start fighting and arguing like they do on television and nothing comes out of the discussion

[@muhammadammarnazir1903]

Very valid points by QAR until now whereas Dr awan twisted the argument every time to blame islam. but yes +1 to Dr awan for the perfect use of emotions to get attention and look confident.but raja g ❤ u nailed it.

[@AkAk-kl6dc]

qaiser ahmad raja is excellent

[@umarkhan-fn4dd]

Such an impressive debate, well done TCM 👏

[@selmamturk]

More power to Raja Qaiser❤

[@saquibhussain4789]

Why is it so difficult to understand Qaiser sahab's arguments? Islamic laws kabhi bhi practice nahi hue hain Pakistan mein and that's why Pakistan has become a failed state. That's it. That means Sharia should be properly implemented, and doesn't mean Secularism is the solution. Secularism is a hard drug, with fatal long term consequences. No matter how shiny it looks from the surface.

[@user-wr4fp6cc6i]

Underrated Comment

[@munibrehman9747]

What do you mean sharia has to be "properly implemented" ? Care to explain plz. Pichle 40 saal se bhi toh islamization hi ho rahi hai na. Public education, politics, media har jagah mazhab hi ghussa hua hai na? Why hasn't your perfect islamic utopia based on sharia laws been established yet, since the time of zia ul haq? This is not a taunt but rather a serious academic question. Ap ko kia lagta hai islamic society kia hoti hai and why would you say that pakistan mein shariat properly implement nahi hui?

[@taym2720]

ye dramon mein fuhashi Islamization hai?@@munibrehman9747

[@muhammadhussain5854]

​@munibrehman9747 islam isn't just our mazhab islam is integral part of our culture morals and values that's why it should be implemented

[@saquibhussain4789]

@@munibrehman9747 Muslim/Non Muslim sabke sath insaaf hona chahiye. Sabki jaan equally important honi chahiye. Sabke liye education, healthcare available honi chahiye. Advanced education and acquiring wisdom should be encouraged. Interest (sood) should be eradicated. Perpetrator ameer ho ya gareeb, Muslim ho ya non Muslim, saza milni chahiye. Disagreements pe civilized and conclusive debates and discussions honi chahiye. Insaaf aur raham har jagah practice honi chahiye. Koi bhi bhookha na soye. Zakaat aur sadqa zyada se zyada honi chahiye. Unfair distribution of wealth nahi honi chahiye. Insaan kya jaanwar aur plants ki bhi hifazat honi chahiye. These are some of the fundamental points. No religious or secular nation are doing these things in actuality. Hence, Sharia should be implemented.

[@misbahhanif6072]

Qaiser ahmad raja very intellectual person. Allah u Akbar

[@amnaaltaf1824]

Qaiser Raja has clearly won the debate but Dr Merub you have got good emotional debating style u should go debate with school college students

[@subhanallah6]

Ye waqai aurat ha emotional

[@ranaabdullahadan]

Islam is the only solution because Allah says so no debate is needed

[@user-uv6dq4gs1s]

Hats off qaiser Ahmed raja sir you are the one of asset of islam

[@KingKing-bd4yb]

lost Asset 😂😂😂

[@nomadbanda9562]

That's why Pakistan is lumber one country in the world

[@nha3920]

Tabhi mulk default hogaya religion ke manjan per.

[@subhanallah6]

@@nha3920Knsa Religious politions ya parties han jo pichly 50 saal sa power ma ha jis na mulk ko default kea ha??

[@nha3920]

@@subhanallah6 Religion ke naam per awaam ko dollar army control karti hai. Religious parties agar power mai aye to woh bhi awaam ke pas dollar army ka pass kiya hua islam lekar aye gi. Jaise Zia ke daur mai hua tha.

[@AyeshaSana-vw2ju]

Raja saab has a well connected statement. Like he stayed on oneside. He didn't not subliminally accused secularism rather mentioned those laws that are against religious hence stands strong. And nailed it by argument about israel and exposed vision of elite law makers. Logical well knitted and without loope holes.

[@NAZionist666]

This debate was fantastic😂 "Awan is blaming Islam/muslims because of situation of Pakistan which is in the hands of liberal imperialist for 50-60 years" In simple words :- Their own kin is not delivering justice to their post and responsibilities but the same kin is blaming civilians for kin's failure and laziness and corruption 😂 If we implement only one rule of shariat on Corrupt politicians and institutions. The next day they will would be crying on roads. 😂 If we apply one rule of shariat on People who disturb minorities, then the cr!minals would do su!cide themselves in fear. Deen/islam = discipline

[@nha3920]

Islam ke naam per jo bhi Pakistan mai aya hai Zia ki tarah us ne barbad kardiya hai mulk ko.

[@dundundun7215]

Ppl governing this country have not been religious, aside from bb which leader has not promoted islamic politics in pakistan

[@ahmedhasssn.01]

Good debate, both have stated facts in a very decent way . Well Done dr. Mehrub and Qaiser Raja . 👏 Let’s start a new chain like this .

[@fatimanaz1431]

Mind opening debate! That's the content we need!

[@ahmednadeem9242]

Qaiser raja once again owned Dr mehrub and won the debate. Fantastic facts and logical points by qaiser raja sahab

[@nha3920]

Qaser chotiyeah raja ko bolo pehle dollar army ke bare mai sach bole pher islam ka manjan beeche.😂

[@mashoodgulzar7996]

​@@nha3920Stop embarrassing yourself by copy-pasting the same comment, liberals can only rant and it's proved again.

[@nha3920]

@@mashoodgulzar7996 Pehle jawab to daye do choteah raja ke follower. Qaser choteah raja mard hai to dollar army ka sach ko samne laye jis ka Allah dollar hai.

[@nha3920]

@@mashoodgulzar7996 Balochistan mai jo zulm dollar army kar rahi hai us per apna gan_nd jaisa moi nahi kholta surf dr Afia ke liye maut ati hai is begairat ko. Balochistan ke missing loagon ko namaz janaza ke begair kahan dafan kiya hai dollar army ne? Iska jawab hai qaser chotiyah rajah ke pas?

[@anwaarmlik1626]

Nice qaisar

[@AzeemAshrafAzeem-er3hv]

I am amazed by Raja Saab's intellect. Ma sha ALLAH. Lots of duas and power to you.

[@breakers8514]

We want religion and sharia in the state of Pakistan

[@hashiribrahim6301]

Qaiser sb you never fail to impress me. May Allah SWT grant you immense success in your mission.

[@abdulwaqar4760]

Raja Qaisar sb lots of respect for you and your efforts towards this fitna

[@nha3920]

Qaser Raja qadiani hai.🙂

[@ssa6408]

Mehrub is giving strong phupoo vibe… when things are getting out hand we say meri phupoo se lade gi… we’ll done Mehrub… love you ❤❤❤

[@Nasi.reviews]

Pakistan ki state islam k liye hasil ki gai. We are Grateful for having this land to practice our religion ISLAM. It's clear for ever for the whole world mehrab jese logo..... 🙄 Qaiser sahb you are Great 🔥

[@asmatullah4475]

Well done Qaiser Ahmad raja sahb❤

[@AliAhmad-rm7wx]

More power to you raja saab 🔥🔥

[@waseemmusafir339]

How many of you noticed mehrub speech was totally emotional and qaisar points were logical. Infact at 6:45 mehrub saying "jha pe ameer ka elaj kisi or ispatal me ho or gareeb ka istapal kisi or ilaj me ho".

[@Silencio0996]

Very good debate.. Dr. Mehrub is fantastic.. ❤

[@khadijaazhar8057]

Yesss

[@DanishKhan-wr9on]

But the question still remained unanswered by Mr. Raja. Which Shariat is he talking here that he wants to impose on us.

[@tayyabarif2782]

What is meant to you by sharia? Are you a boot, not a single evident argument given by that trans-person, that Islamic madhab and schools of thought are Shariaa.?😂😂you need to study buddy.

[@kashafwaqar376]

well-reasoned argument by Mr. Raja on the other hand Dr. Moiz got emotional and didn't put forward logical arguments.

[@baghzahabib]

great initiative TCM.plz continue it.

[@afaqtariq3616]

Productive debate keen to watch more... both participants have put forward solid arguments with mutual respect 🙏🤩

[@abeeraaftab1610]

Sir Qaiser Raja did great!

[@muhammadazeem3764]

Pakistan is meant to be islamic not secular that anti-islamic people want. Some individuals have allergies with establishing Islamic constitution's. If Islamic can be established in any country that is Pakistan. So don't bother to create a party that imposes secularism because our nation have islamic sentiments that hurts when someone says that Pakistan can be secular or should be secular. I agree with the point of Mr. Raja that minorities issue can be easily corrected by islamic wordicts if it imposes with good intent. It is Mula's that make people mindset to set the Churches on fire and make discomfort for minorities it is not constitution. Remember, Islam is not exactly that displayed by Mula's.

[@doityourselfpakistan6535]

It was made so that people who follow islam can rule and dont live as 2nd grade citizans after partition , rest what this khusra have said is all true , people were brain washed with newly created history .

[@navedalam8117]

Not every mullah there are very few

[@SanoberShaikh-wd5ye]

I absolutely agree with Sir Raja Qaiser. Islam is the ONLY solution to each and every problem we face today. More power to you!

[@umaismughal2742]

Thanks TCM for this debate thats a great idea to bring a productive discussion.