Teabag your Sennheiser HD 58X (to IMPROVE the sound)

Answering the eternal question -- "Sennheiser HD 6XX or 58X?" -- in way you didn't expect: with a teabag. Here's a 5-minute mod to make your 58X sound better.
00:00 Introduction
03:15 Removing the grills
03:50 Tape application
04:30 How the mod works
05:45 Modding materials
08:50 Mod application
09:10 Sound differences
10:20 Frequency response disclaimers
11:15 Frequency response: Before and after
14:55 Audience Q&A
21:20 A dare
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[@shapedokkan]

I actually thought you were going to physically teabag the headphones to make them sound better.

[@Jeffdachefz]

thought my mans was gonna get a youtube flagged for adults today lmfao.

[@SuperReview]

This is a family show.

[@reedfelix9254]

a trick : watch movies on kaldrostream. Been using it for watching all kinds of movies lately.

[@clarkimmanuel2626]

@Reed Felix definitely, I have been using kaldrostream for years myself =)

[@thatcherwalker3781]

@Reed Felix Yea, have been using Kaldrostream for since december myself =)

[@intoitreviews]

I'm so glad I could put you down this path, and share this information with you! I've been saying this for a long time, glad you could get on board. Teabags are an interesting idea.

[@SuperReview]

That's what he said.

[@michaeljia9005]

Applied the teabag to my 58x. Can confirm that the midrange cleared up a bit :-). Thanks for the guide!

[@fracseun]

This is the most legendary video I’ve ever seen, I didn’t even realise how bassy the 58X’s were until you pointed them out, and this mod works so well that it honestly dumbfounds me. I also removed the outer foam covers and it seemed to widen the soundstage, they really sound beautiful now. Incredible video!

[@johnsontan345]

Amazing, I did this and they sound perfect now. The bass really was the problem. I can finally hear the gorgeous upper mids and treble without the muddiness. You've earned my sub man.

[@Ph3nomen0N]

100% agree. This just transformed the headphones into a superbly balanced and enjoyable experience.

[@MP_pov]

I did this and it does exactly what you describe - thank you! Previously I had to EQ to remove some of the veil and retrieve detail I thought was there but muffled, now I am happy and don't feel I need to continue buying headphones to get the right sound. And this mod is completely reversible.

[@luispadilla2842]

Wasn't sure if the change in the sound signature would be significant enough to keep the mod, so I tried one side at a time and I've found the change worked and with the bass reduced the highs and mids were more in balance with the bass, so I can enjoy every part of a song more.

[@user-ze6ky4fc1t]

fascinating results!

[@flyingwondercat739]

So I remember reading that the pre-production samples of the HD58x had a similar dampening filter as the HD600, but the bass to low mids were really weak. Removing it helped fix the shrill issue with that particular pre-prod driver setup. I would describe my stock HD58x as having full bass extension, muddy low mids, sufficient upper mids/presence. I've been using HeSuVi with the balanced EQ curve for these headphones and although it's not perfect, it flattens things out enough for my tastes. I'll definitely be trying the tea bag mod! Would help when I listen to music from my phone. Speaking of that, imo the sensitivity of the HD58x works really well for mobile devices! I think the marketing for them is spot-on for ideal use cases. Sturdy build quality and affordable price for pretty good sound quality with the 58x.

[@lczp]

Just did your mod with matcha teabag and the result is incredible, the darkness of the 58X is gone! Thank you for the vid. Another further decrease you can achieve on this note is to remove the front foam and use some kind of veil fabric to still protect the driver. I'm still unsure about it being better than stock with your mod applied though, might be too much subtraction. Edit: just tried your mod with the stock inner foam back on and no, the combined mods are superb, better than stock. I'd say this brings the 58x even closer to the HD 600!

[@ilmatic15]

How did you apply the tape

[@lczp]

@@ilmatic15 I cut four small squares of doubled side PAPER tape (for the love of god don't use 3m) and put them around the magnet

[@pliedtka]

Really cool review. I got the current post 2021 OEM 600 series earpads, which have 1dB less output in low frequencies and the Solderdude mode might make 58X slightly lean. Also I replaced the front driver foam with ladies stockings, but the new pads make them brighter than I like. With current earpads the 6XX is slightly more neutral in the mids.

[@DavidAnders-ev7tc]

Great improvement, thanks. I have a late HD 580 (essentially the same as the h d600), which I love, but it needs the rather bulky ifi hip dac to get the right volume with my mobile. I've been using the HD58x with a simple usb-c dac but I could not live with the veiled sound. This has solved the problem. I used the thinnest teabag I could find so I'm left with a touch more bass than optimum but the veil is lifted.

[@SuperReview]

Awesome 🤙

[@UwUmeister]

Dongseo teabag!! Pretty much impressed with your mod. Love from korea

[@JMAudioEditions]

nice video man as always cheers!

[@SuperReview]

✌️

[@deadline7610]

Nicely done, something a little different :) Easy enough mod after watching your vid. Can't A/B the results but will give it a week. Thanks 👍👍🔊

[@SuperReview]

Very interested to hear more opinions 👍

[@PioloAskal2009]

Hey, did you keep your mod applied? I'm thinking of doing it but hesitant since it would mean there would always be tape on the drivers from now on.

[@deadline7610]

@@PioloAskal2009 Yes. If you are a little handy the DIY mode is not hard. Opening up the grill to take off the tape if you didn't prefer to mode wouldn't be difficult. If you are not handy I would pass on this mode. Hope this helps.

[@thosko98]

This mod fixed a problem I didn't even know my headphones had lol I enjoy them even more now, the mid bass used to be a bit fatiguing over long periods at higher volumes, but not anymore.

[@motorradmike]

My solution for relief of the muddiness of the upper bass / lower midrange, I removed the foam from behind the outer grills. I then cut nickel sized circles out of the foam and secured one to each magnet with double sided tape. For me the result was perfect.

[@eddieyakin5528]

Just did this too. Works great.

[@simonescarazza7516]

I tried it with felt but it didn’t work, with teabag I finally listen to that sound, great!

[@SuperReview]

Awesome 🤙

[@herb601]

I didn't catch this live so you may have answered this question. What I didn't hear in your review was that the HD 58X has an impedance of 150 ohm while the 600 is 300 ohms. Big difference if you don't have fancy equipment to drive them. Drue eludes to the fact that his Sennheiser's sound like, well, you know. I'm wondering if he is aware of that? Probably, just asking. Another good suggestion. Thanks.

[@opiekrumpus4182]

I removed the inner foam, removed the spider cage and the foam covering the magnet from ny hd600. I then placed a pice of nylon to cover the inside of the ear pad. And cut a circle piece from a Red Rose tea bag ro cover magnet hole. Was amazed how much better soubd and overall bass improved. Sound is wide, full. But the bass has taken on a added depth of presence that i find very pleasing. For my ears i preffer this sound over tbe original sound of the hd 600.

[@SuperReview]

Sounds like the reverse of what I did >_

[@VicharB]

HD58x is one of my main headphones, along with HD600, but the X has little more base. As closed backs and wireless/wired I got Sennheiser PXC 550-II. I didn't do any mods and love the way they sound. For the price these are awesome.

[@Cobalt985]

Meh, disagree on the (unmodded) 58X... it's so veiled, I prefer my much cheaper Moondrop Arias... I am honestly a little confused as to why these are so recommended, maybe everyone is modding theirs but they just really don't sound that good to me. We'll see after I do the mod though!

[@SuperReview]

If you mod, I want to know what you think afterward 👍

[@VicharB]

@@SuperReview Ok, if I'll decide will let you know here.

[@chefsteve8381]

Do different types of teabags add different musical flavour's ? if so i need one from Jamaica mon i love me reggae music !!!

[@SuperReview]

Yes. A jasmine tea will bring out a bit of brightness in the midrange, while an assam will add some meat to the low end.

[@mana_beast_beats1114]

I prefer Mint Tea, it makes the sound nice and minty.

[@PetraOlah]

Finally got around to trying this and I can attest a marked improvement in SQ and FR to my ears. Less veil, exchanging bass for detail. Great!

[@SuperReview]

What flavor tea?

[@PetraOlah]

@@SuperReview earl grey of course 😂

[@SuperReview]

Classy.

[@reflection1119]

I did my own version of this mod with a few extra steps... maybe overkill... but here goes... I used a piece of felt as my material (following Solderdude's recommendation). I also found a link to a 3d print file for a decorative piece that looks like the centre ring of the HD 660s. I sandwiched the piece of felt between 2 of the decorative pieces and then stuck the whole "sandwich" over the driver as you've done with the teabag material... the reason for mymethod was to create a small gap between the hole and the felt to avoid reducing the bass too much. the felt directly on the driver reduced the bass too much to my taste. I also did the "curtain mod" which involves replacing foam from the inside of the ear cups with sheer curtain fabric. This retains the bass response which is controlled by the outside of the driver (as you've shown) but also adds a little bit more sparkle to the treble (there's a curtain mod video here on youtube). I'd love to get my modded 58x measured at some point (I don't have the tech or smarts for that) but I love the balance of the tuning I've achieved

[@SuperReview]

Did you design the 3D printed file, or find it somewhere online?

[@reflection1119]

The biggest take away for me is that the hd58x are great headphones in stock form but also so versatile with all the changes that can be easily made, you can get a bunch of different experiences from just one set.

[@reflection1119]

@@SuperReview I found it online at thingiverse. Look up "hd58x jubilee driver decoration" I've tried linking here but YT says no

[@TechSaintHD]

Dude thank you so much for this video! I didn't even realize you could remove the ear vents that easily LOL

[@SuperReview]

🤙

[@thosko98]

A good complement to doing this mod is to EQ in some sub bass. The 58x has the best bass extension out of all the 600 series, but it rolls off way too much. Fortunately it responds well to EQ, so if you do this mod + add in sub bass via EQ, you get more slam in the bass while gaining clarity in the mids.

[@carlosaloysiusaquino1482]

Interesting video. Thanks man! Can't wait to try it out once my order arrives. Can you also do a video on the effects of removing the foam between the driver and the grills? I saw on Z's channel that this also has an effect on not just the bass, but also the treble.

[@SuperReview]

There are two bits of foam that people often remove on this. (1) There's a foam panel behind the outer grill that's used as a dust cover. I did have it out at one point, but more for aesthetics than sound. solderdude, the guy that originally identified the magnet modification, measured the headphone with and without this foam and measured no difference, so I haven't really thought of it as a sound mod. (2) There's also some foam between the driver and the wearer's ear -- I think you get at it by removing the pads. Supposedly this raises the lower treble. I've seen this called "the curtain mod," and there are videos on KZbin. It didn't sound like it'd help with exposing the midrange, which is what I'm after, so I haven't tried this.

[@carlosaloysiusaquino1482]

@@SuperReview thanks for the reply. The findings in (1) is interesting

[@perdana5786]

Looking at the response around @13.07 I can basically do a low shelf filter EQ about -3db at around 2k and get a HD600 response out of the HD58X

[@MichaelMooreboston]

Confirming as well. My test track is John Mayer's war of my life. That mid bass dropped therefore opening those mids a bit. I used a tea bag.

[@fedeaguilera4341]

Hace 2 días probé este mod por curiosidad, ya que consideraba que mis 58x me gustan como vinieron de stock. Puedo confirmar que este mod, sin matar los bajos, aclara un poco los medios, gracias SR!!

[@SuperReview]

Excelente, lo me gusta oir 🤙

[@GETNAKD]

Surely, I also noticed that peeling off the outer sponge of 58X improves overall sound by giving some sense of openness but using it for more than a year in this state, I didn't feel the need to cover the holes with something. In fact, EQing impacts the sound much more than that. :q

[@SuperReview]

Try it 👀

[@Tripokaridos22]

another mod is to get memory foam and trim it to small balls and then place it between the caps and the driver ... but keeping the original foam on 58X this will make almost the same but to me with more progression and extension

[@Rosethorns7]

I just wanted to know how to remove the grill to clean them after a year, thanks.

[@GIChow]

@8:33 'spare' tea bag - I just call them tea bags :-D Great to make people more aware of modding..too often products are regarded as sacrosanct rather just manufacturer compromises. Btw I have a 2nd hand hd600 I got for £130 so great value to be had second hand too..headphone drivers don't tend to degrade as much as loudspeakers, though pads may need replacing (which also affect the sound).

[@SuperReview]

Great price on the HD 600, and yeah, probably a good idea to get a fresh set of pads.

[@GIChow]

@@SuperReview yep i guess, just looked on eBay now and some crazy prices 2nd hand..btw as well as hygiene pads get squashed which affects the response (how well they comply/release pressure/distance from ear) and got equivalents for fraction of the Sen price.

[@genaishivatov1737]

If you look at the capsule of HD600 (15:38) - in the region of 8-10 hours and 2-4 hours you can see plastic, black petals. Because of this, the mid-600s sounds haunting/screechy, coloring and at the same time hazy. On HD58X capsule (26:34) these petals have already been removed - so midrange is more pleasant and more correct.

[@dfwathomenowhome5150]

I teabagged my newly purchased 58x "Thanks!!" now she sounds so much sexier! I also removed the stock front covers and replaced with the dryer sheet. Yes they may rip easy but placements are just pennies per cover.

[@SuperReview]

What's the dryer sheet do?

[@dfwathomenowhome5150]

@@SuperReview The Stock Foam Covers has a very slight muffed sound so I tested with/without covers up against my vintage Carver System and the Vinyl LP Stop Making Sense by the Talking Heads and there was a difference. But I still don't want the drivers naked due to dust collection. Your comment about the dryer sheets being so pores gave me the Idea to use them as front covers. My next modification is to switch out the ear pads for better comfort like the sleep skin ones on (Mass) Drop.

[@SuperReview]

Warning that swapping ear pads will change the sound drastically.

[@cyclonasaurusrex1525]

I steeped mine for about a minute. Magic.

[@SuperReview]

That's a short steep, but will avoid any bitterness. Water temperature also important.

[@hgroton2078]

I own this set and all I did was just removed the outer foams and I called the day! I'm ok with the way it sounds

[@SuperReview]

It's a-OK to be OK ✌️

[@Tripokaridos22]

Its ok to remove the foam but u have to be careful because the hole is expsode and dust or hair can pass inside the diaphragms and that will cause problems over time... But if u store them inside somewhere then its ok without foam.

[@cheekymonkey6791]

A great no risk mod. Have you (or anyone else) experimented with magnet modding?

[@SuperReview]

I haven't done a magnet mod, but it sounds familiar, like something I've seen mentioned before.

[@dentReviews]

i also love my retro marble hd600. best headphone ever made...

[@SuperReview]

I see a red door and I wanted it painted marble.

[@MikeyB00o]

I wonder if silkscreen would work, be interesting to try due to the different mesh sizing also

[@SuperReview]

Worth playing with other materials. Affixing silk in place might be tricky though, not sure if adhesives will stick well.

[@Tripokaridos22]

I would love to see a video of all mods for this headphone.

[@SuperReview]

This is the only one I've done.

[@WakeUpB2P]

Would love to see a review of the 6XX from u

[@SuperReview]

Hm, if I get some time maybe I'll do a big Sennheiser roundup.

[@mingkee27]

I did a "no back" mod It's easy and 100% reversible Make 2 each of nickel (20mm diameter) size of mounting tape with 1/4" (6.3mm) hole on the center (2 rings) 2 ea of fine metal mesh from filter and cut slightly larger than 1/4" diameter (to cover the magnet hole) (Optional) Nickel (20mm) size plastic ring with 1/4" hole (for cosmetic purpose) Put the mesh on the hole of the ring (tape) and cover on the magnet with hole aligned Cover the headphones back cover after it's finished. The audio is more transparent after modification

[@gustargento2645]

does adding the teabag on the ear side of the headphone change the sound the same or does it only work with the magnet ring hole?

[@SuperReview]

I haven't tested, but I don't think it will be the same effect.

[@madsdrastrup]

Thoughts about teabagging the HD600 to open up the treble? I know the Sennheiser veil isnt that pronounced on the HD600

[@SuperReview]

Haven't done it myself, the HD 600 and other HD 6x0 headphones already have a foam cover over the hole.

[@tysontyson1244]

I was excited to see the graph of comparing the frequency response. VERY disappointing that when you got to that point of the video that you did not show it and instead made the HD600 flat.

[@SuperReview]

Why?

[@tysontyson1244]

@@SuperReview I have the HD58x on the way to my home in the mail. I have never heard the HD600 nor will I ever.

[@SuperReview]

I don't think I follow. Are you saying that comparing to HD 600 is not relevant since you don't have that frame of reference? If that's the case, I would say the graph will be meaningless to you, whether or not I use HD 600 as the baseline. A FR graph in isolation is pretty meaningless unless you have some reference that was also made on the same measurement system. Comparing my raw 58X graph to a raw graph from another system (e.g. EARS, GRAS, flat plate) will be more misleading than helpful.

[@barryg9097]

I must have missed it, but what specific tape did you use between the magnet and the cut-out discs?

[@SuperReview]

Ordinary double-sided tape.

[@pp312]

I just removed all the foam in my 58x, front and back, and the sound is now $200 better. Tea bags? I use them to make tea.

[@Pablito5614]

I agree, I tried all the mods, foam, teabags, dryer sheets. Any mods you make to the effect the center hole ruins the perfect midrange sennheiser sound. Removing both foams and replacing the inside foam with something thin like leggings material really opens up the clarity separation and sound stage. It's the best it gets, which imo is pretty damn good. With mods I like them better than my sundaras, sundara just sounds too sharp and artificial in the tambour treble area. Sundara does everything else better but 58x w mods wins in midrange tambour and creaminess.

[@antonioietta39]

ho fatto la modifica che hai suggerito...credo funzioni veramente ....adesso ti faccio una domanda ...secondo te si può smorzare su diffusori da stand la invadenza delle basse sulle medio-basse aprendo cosi come sulle 58x la gamma media tappando con un materiale adatto il condotto bass reflex?...intendo un materiale che lasci passare aria, diverso dalla spugna in dotazione con gli speakers...il principio mi sembra simile ma ovviamente non è un crossover.

[@SuperReview]

I haven't tried it with speakers, only this headphone.

[@WaZaaap6]

What about if you just take out the back pading? Isn't it will reduce the base as well as improve the mids/hights?

[@SuperReview]

I don't think it does much to the sound.

[@WaZaaap6]

@@SuperReview thank you for the reply

[@HiFiGOAudio]

Recently getting HD600 for my personal use. Which amplifier would you recommend with it? I currently have L30 and TA-10 at home.

[@lczp]

Don't stress it, I could drive my old 600 with my laptop output and get enough volume. The L30 should have both the volume and power enough. Incidentally if you'd like to experiment with tubes, they do scale pretty nicely.

[@SuperReview]

I primarily listen from a Schiit Vali, but it's great out of a Drop x THX AAA One as well. Hoping to try it on an OTL tube like a Bottlehead Crack, but about 50/50 split on whether I expect it to be very different.

[@lczp]

@@SuperReview I'm also aiming at using crack in the near future (lol)! From what I get from tube skeptics is that it is indeed different, tubes or not, because it boosts certain frequencies inherently (it is a intentionally colored amp). Check out amir measurements of it on ASR!

[@HiFiGOAudio]

@@SuperReview Thanks. Will look for Schiit Vali then haha BottleHead Crack will need some DIY I won't have that much time sadly :(

[@SamuraiGuy]

I was just considering getting these for my birthday soon!

[@SuperReview]

Happy birthday to yourself :D

[@SamuraiGuy]

@@SuperReview thanks!

[@1Dub79]

Well, well, the 58X Jubilee. I own these. The imaging on these are ridiculous.....in a good way.

[@hasgoodles7807]

Oh My, more troubling content. Kidding..

[@SuperReview]

Demonetization in 3... 2...

[@Vektorion]

You can get a wider soundstage by putting a magnetic metal mesh over the drivers, and if you want to keep some of the bass, just make 2.5-3.5mm hole in the mesh

[@tom16888]

Is it dangerous to the driver?

[@Vektorion]

@@tom16888 No, since the mesh is very light and sticks to the magnet since it's magnetic

[@Vektorion]

@@tom16888 It could be placebo but I can tell there's a difference in the sound stage

[@Vektorion]

@@tom16888 If you've noticed, all expensive Sennheiser cans have metal mesh over the outside of the driver, you can see it in most pictures

[@alouisschafer7212]

So I guess a modded HX58X is the sub 200$ endgame? Currently I use bass modded AKG K702 before that I had Beyerdynamics DT990 Pros which are junk in my opinion. So should I buy HD58X and mod them?

[@SuperReview]

From what I've heard, yeah. People seem to like the Hifiman HE400se.

[@matusjurcik6974]

The tea bag rolling will be a whole new thing 😅.

[@SuperReview]

Different tea bag material makes more difference than Hi-Res certification. Fax.

[@matusjurcik6974]

@@SuperReview true dat!

[@jerome5969]

Hi, is it recommended to remove the foam on the grills so I can see the driver?

[@SuperReview]

Allegedly, the foam is there to prevent dust from entering the exposed magnet. If you cover the magnet hole with tea bag or some other material, that function would no longer be needed, so you could remove it. But I'm just repeating hearsay.

[@jerome5969]

@@SuperReview Oh, good to hear that. If that’s the case I’ll remove the foams and will try your Tea bag mod 😁 thank you!

[@Handlesareverylame]

Could the tape damage the headphones at all? Thanks for reading!

[@SuperReview]

Nah.

[@inaha7111]

Dang just removing the pads really clear out alot of muffle. Now in busy songs i can hear symbals sounds properly.

[@h-dawg6462]

no it doesn't. that literally does nothing to the sound!

[@Tripokaridos22]

When i got HD58X and compare them side by Side with my HD 660s or the others 600 and 650 i get exactly what u said and honestly the difference between HD 660s is night and day mostly on separation and imaging

[@qweneyon]

apparently simply removing the foam from the grills makes them sound like 660s

[@Tripokaridos22]

@@qweneyon Unfortunately not. HD58x share almost the same signature but they dont sound like HD660s un many ways. Imaging , sepperation , speee, tight bass , resolution us way better than HD58X. I wish 58x was sound the same like 660s but dont... If they was i would sell my 660s and kept only my 58x . By the way letting the back of the driver without foam on 58x u must be careful because inside there is the mebrane and hair or dust after time will change the sound.

[@qweneyon]

@@Tripokaridos22 good to know, it's something I heard and tried. But wast a huuuuge fan of cause it made the highs a bit harsh to my ears. I can confirm this teabag thing works cause I just tried it and so far it does indeed feel cleaner in the lower mids.

[@Tripokaridos22]

@@qweneyon yeahp it works ... Also a silk behind the driver works great ot reflects waves better .

[@lczp]

@@Tripokaridos22 Thats good to know. DMS had said that they're tonally similar to the 660s albeit not in its league in resolution and other characteristics, but it is nice to know this is not just his take. Incidentally, would you say the 660s are less bloated and muffled than the 58x with it's fowarded mid bass?

[@email2rahat]

Do you recommend Magnet Mod ?

[@fun_ruiner]

I don't understand, if you don't like the bass can't you just eq it lower? does this sound better than just EQing?

[@SuperReview]

I'm not much of an EQ user, and I use a lot of different devices (phone, laptop, desktop, audio player) and having EQ on all of them is not really what I want to do.

[@fun_ruiner]

@@SuperReview fair enough

[@Seabass901]

I just happened upon this video while looking for something else. Interesting because I did something very similar. I lightly glued some "Randy's 3/4" brass screens" over the hole on some Game Ones with good results. You may want to try it.

[@SuperReview]

Nice alternative.

[@jjjjjjj4610]

What dap would you recommend under 120 euro

[@SuperReview]

Fiio M3 Pro.

[@DivineFriedChicken]

Can I get the link to the foam? My 58x is in transit right now and I want to get prepared

[@SuperReview]

This is the AKG foam disc that solderdude likes: www.fullcompass.com/prod/544759-akg-2260z09010-foam-earpad-disk-for-k240

[@DivineFriedChicken]

Thank you so much my headphones just delivered today and I'll try the mods out tomorrow

[@Tripokaridos22]

Another mod for those want more high bass and lower highs is using Coffee filter between the driver and the foam in front .

[@SuperReview]

What's that do?

[@Tripokaridos22]

@@SuperReview its a mod that was used mostly on Beyers for lowering some spikes. On HD58X that i mostly keep.them for mods the coffe filter between the driver and the foam makes the headphone darker. Another mod is the silk fabric behind the driver it reflects air waves better that tea bag and make bass linear. Something that helps dynamics is the magnet find a magnet same dimensions and have that over ... Its already be done and discussed on UK tunners the ones that are moding hd25 headphones.... But find a magnet with hole is hard... So what make the bass tighter is a mod that i use take a felizol or dynamat cut the same shape like the. Driver magnet with the same hole diameter then stick it like u did , that will.make the hole behind the driver longer and this will make the bass tight and progressive not flappy. There are other mods also .

[@tendousj]

Is the current hd58x different and this mood don't give the same effect?

[@SuperReview]

Never heard of that.

[@tendousj]

@@SuperReview they talk about this in the ASR forum I think. The thread with solderdude

[@randysalsman6992]

I'd mod it to give even more bass, I had these headphones before and they aren't very bass heavy at all. After these I upgraded to the HD 660S and then I upgraded again to the HD 800 S. After getting the HD 800 S I figured I didn't need all 3 pairs, so I sold the Jubilee's to a friend.

[@deshan79]

I tried the mod with the green felt...I did not like it personally. For me, it ruined the bass decay too much. Felt like the bass fell off a little which is fine but the decay dropping too quick ruined it for me.

[@SuperReview]

Did you try any other materials? The effect is pretty tunable with different degrees of airflow restriction.

[@deshan79]

@@SuperReview not yet...I might do that though. So far I only tried the green felt that he had listed as his preferred choice. Maybe something way thinner might be better...all the felts he tested are way thicker then what you are using.

[@VorpalSword9]

Is there a reason you don't EQ? Mods like these have always struck me as trying to accomplish the same thing as EQ but with way less control, but maybe that's just me being ignorant.

[@SuperReview]

If I was always listening to one headphone on one source, I'd probably have fewer reasons to not EQ. But moving between multiple headphones and sources, EQ gets challenging. Might forget you have EQ on and start listening to a different headphone. Might move to a source that doesn't have EQ, or doesn't have EQ with the same level of control (or different interpretations of EQ values).

[@arthurhaywood2184]

Interesting........ My issue with the 58X isn't the bass, it's the midrange. Too forward. What do you have for that?

[@SuperReview]

Which part of the midrange is too forward for your liking? The only 58X mods I'm aware of are this magnet/teabag mod (reduces mid-bass), and a mod to remove foam from between the driver and the earpads (reduces treble). Maybe throwing on some leather pads would nuke the midrange, but I wouldn't try it :P

[@arthurhaywood2184]

@@SuperReview Definitely the vocal region. Everything is very up front with them. It's what gives them a narrow soundstage. How much it bothers me is material dependent. As I've moved on to what I consider to be better headphones, I find that it's a characteristic that the 58X & the 6XX exhibit. Sometimes I'm cool with it, sometimes I'm not.......

[@lczp]

@@arthurhaywood2184 This is really the signature of the 600 line and what drives most people towards them. If you like neutral or even recessed vocals I'd say go for something like the hifimans 4xx, 400i or the Sundara

[@arthurhaywood2184]

@@lczp I'm not a Hifiman fan. My sonic preference can be described as neutral to slightly on the warm side of neutral but I am a stickler for accurate timbre & tonality. My top 3 owned headphones are the Elex, the Ether CX & the Quad ERA-1 so I'm not locked into one particular type of sound. I am partial to planar quickness though.

[@lczp]

@@arthurhaywood2184 hahha lol, I had you figured for a starter, but you are way ahead of me having the Elex. I do have a X00 (delicious V monsters) and a 58X right now, and owned a HD 600 on the past. I love the sennheiser intimate midrange but am currently pulling hairs against the veil. I'm consering something the Elex in the near future to remedy that, but might go for the hifimans before. To my preferences though I think I lean on neutral to bright, so you figure why I find the senns literally too lukewarm

[@indigotradinggroup200]

Can I do these to beats?

[@opiekrumpus4182]

Garbage headphones.

[@sebastianalarcon817]

That video title... brave.

[@SuperReview]

Bracing for KZbin ban hammer, in 3... 2... 1...

[@Mutantovich]

I can't hear half of the sounds after applying the mod.

[@SuperReview]

You might need to try a more porous teabag.

[@Vektorion]

Does this reduce soundstage?

[@alleykat6273]

no, removing the foam opens it up, the felt is for restoring/tuning the bass freq

[@-musiclee-]

I’m leaning towards the 6XX. But damn. They around. $280 now I believe plus tax.

[@PartySpock]

I want the legend,s all😊👍👍

[@loconius]

58x or pc38x? Sound quality wise?

[@blank-jo1xp]

Pure audio quality goes to the 58x. The pc38x don't sound bad at all, but they're less detailed.

[@SuperReview]

I haven't heard PC38X.

[@-musiclee-]

Why not remove the padding inside so you see through like the 650. Instead. Maybe that will do the trick and look cool too

[@SuperReview]

It does not change the FR.

[@-musiclee-]

@@SuperReview but for the look 👀. But you say. Dirt can get in that magnet hole. If you remove the foam inside ? But with your mod. Plus removing foam. You should be good.

[@SuperReview]

That's the theory.

[@74neverlast]

nice video - I wonder if my untrained ears would hear the difference ..from the graphs - it looks as if we are talking about 2-3db? Or not...?

[@SuperReview]

I think it's pretty noticeable, I would be surprised if you couldn't hear a difference. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if your preference was different than mine, however.

[@74neverlast]

@@SuperReview thanks for the reply - indeed I like the base on my 58x and thus I am hesitant to give it a try - and on top of it... I use oratory's EQ to tweak the sound :)

[@SuperReview]

Yeah it'll definitely throw off the EQ.

[@-musiclee-]

Doesn’t the double sided tape. Close up the hole ? You didn’t explain that The tape alone would change the sound. I’m confused

[@SuperReview]

3:50 bruh

[@-musiclee-]

@@SuperReview ah I see the 4 small pieces.

[@DJ_BROBOT]

On your screencap, was that a teabag lol

[@SuperReview]

Yes, Lipton.

[@jacobfield4848]

Removing the outside cup foam ruins the sound. It leaks more sound and ruins the headset for me. Removing the inner foam makes it sound harsh.

[@axeldeeker5644]

You could also just buy the hd560s ;)

[@SuperReview]

IMO... 560S > 58X ...but... Teabagged 58X > 560S > 58X 😎

[@breal6910]

Earned a sub from me

[@SuperReview]

🤙

[@Emira_75]

Teabag 👉🏼👌🏽tehe

[@SuperReview]

😏

[@kentbergstrom3020]

Why not use PEQ instead? It's free and you can tune to your liking.

[@SuperReview]

Because I have more than one source and more than one headphone.

[@burgrluv]

My boy actually pronounced it "A-murrican" 6:10

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

The best earphones would be a hd600 but earphone 😅

[@SuperReview]

One day.

[@m4nc1n1]

15:47 thank God, lol

[@mdog6726]

Hey, man. Did you touch my drum set?

[@SuperReview]

No, does it look teabagged?

[@mdog6726]

@@SuperReview It's just weird 'cause...it seems like someone definitely touched my drum set.

[@kloug2006]

NOTE : I didn't try the mod yet. I have the HD58X for 3 years now (Massdrop just released it and it was $149) and I hated it since day one. Mark's description of the sound is spot on : "Cloudy and meh...". To that, I would add "Upper bass/lower mid congested and a generally uncrisp audio experience". When my brother just bought himself a brand new HD600, he came home for a comparison with my few headphones : (in order of preference) beyerdynamic DT990 Pro AKG K7XX HiFiman HE400i Fostex T50RP mk2 (with mods) Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee I first put the HD58X... and then HD600. Wow, I wasn't expecting so much difference, but for me it was huge. Then I compared with all my other headphones, and I understood why the HD600 is so praised. It was my favorite of the bunch, followed closely by my good old DT990. For my brother it was a tie between HD600 and DT990. For those who wonder, yes the HD600 is much better than the HD58X. For me it's like night and day. Now it's time to try this Teabag mod to find out if this HD58X is a hopeless case.

[@SuperReview]

I really wanna know if you like it.

[@kloug2006]

​@@SuperReview I made the teabag mod and that cleaned up the lower midrange but when I get the low mid right to my taste, I loose too much of deep bass. Inversely, when I have the low bass to my taste, the low mid gets cluttered up again. One way or the other, I still prefer my other headphones to the HD58X. For now, I settled the HD58X with the teabag in "clean low mid but less deep bass" mode. I will let time pass a bit and listen again later. It's a fun experience though, thanks for the idea and the video.

[@chefsteve8381]

Glad you told someone not to mess with his stax you go straight to hell if you do !!

[@SuperReview]

LOL he was joking.

[@imian7133]

Just remove that bit of foam! (Next to the grill)

[@SuperReview]

I don't think that changes the FR.

[@jani80k]

Can't you just EQ?

[@SuperReview]

Go for it 👍

[@jani80k]

@@SuperReview I tried EQing a bit for the last 2 hours. It seems these headphones respond quite well.

[@SuperReview]

I'm not a fan of EQ myself.

[@jani80k]

@@SuperReview I did the teabag mod now, it is superb. Thanks for the vid.

[@jani80k]

@@SuperReview I removed the pads. The change is very subtle. In my opinion they do sound wider, more open. I don't think it's my imagination but at the same time the frequency response doesn't seem to have been altered. Certain instruments just "float" a bit more around your head.

[@Dragonkitchen2807]

No point, a decent amp will even out the bass, improve the sound stage and imaging if it bothers you. Not a FiiO, or Shcitt, they won't do that.... they don't have the technology. Zen Dac does it perfectly.

[@C0n4rt]

Plz stop talking

[@SuperReview]

This is a recorded video.

[@CardinalsFanever]

There's nothing to improve on 58x. And as for HD600, even M50x are much better headphones.

[@chefsteve8381]

No way i own both and the clarity of HD 600 kills M50x and M50x sounds like listening through a tunnel with bloated muddy bass

[@SuperReview]

Yeah this is just for my preferences, not everyone will agree.

[@CardinalsFanever]

Serious question for both. Is it possible that old 600 sounds differently to 600 new revision? I think so. Can you compare it?

[@CardinalsFanever]

@@chefsteve8381 I own both as well.