Teaching Giles From Motus How to Lache

[@TheMotusProjects]

Oh shit! Excited to watch this and feel awful about myself hahaha!

[@TheMotusProjects]

Loved it! Thank you so much!

[@originsparkour]

We hope this helps!

[@unittwophoto]

@@TheMotusProjects really amazing video from the Origins guys! another suggestion i can make is checking out a video from Theo Tanchak where he dives into analyzing the biomechanics of Tim Champions laches. hope you guys dont mind me posting a link here in the comments. kzbin.info/www/bejne/paqumHqQgqtqgac&ab_channel=TheoTanchak

[@kelaaannn]

Hahaha this is amazing! Thank U guys :)

[@roccojones9484]

Literally my favorite yt channel

[@EricRubinPK]

Thanks!! Laches are a relative weak suit for me and a lot of people I train with who mostly practice outside. This was helpful for me to have an explicit understanding of what good fundamental technique is and also really helpful for being able to explain to people who are even earlier in their lache skill development journey.

[@magnusbokarlsson]

What an intro!!!

[@saturationstation1446]

great tutorial

[@BrownJumps]

I'd actually think most older traceurs are generally worse at laches than the newer gen bc laches outside gyms are few and far between

[@santi_super_stunts2573]

Yea and the tech evolves and changes over time. I noticed “blue” from stormfreerun only blocks on his kongs , since he’s old school he trained before gather step was made

[@originsparkour]

We're both several years older than Giles! But to be fair, we have had the privilege of training in a parkour gym for a decade.

[@tamwithacam]

I miss laches

[@AyooDarisss]

You’ve saved mine - would like to know tho how a lache to a higher up ledge/rail changes the way you do it?

[@originsparkour]

Different heights will require different timing. As a general rule, you'll need to release later for higher surfaces and earlier for lower surfaces.

[@teddybear0116]

Great video guys!!

[@fyb3rotik]

Man I’ve said it before, these videos are such a good idea

[@CSFREERUNNING]

It's not that I disagree with anything you said, but I do find it strange you completly overlook what I consider a key element to the lache and what my number one tip for Giles would be. This being that you will release 90 degrees perpendicular to the angle your body is at at the point of release. Regardless of you body shape, and regardless of 1 arm / 2 arm release, you can still have all of the issues Giles has if you're letting go too late. I believe a 1 arm release is one solution to being blind, the other is you just have to release earlier. When doing a 1 arm release I feel there is a greater margin for error, but what I've seen is as people get better at laches, they tend to do less of a 1 arm release, not necessarily that the end up with a 2 arm release, just that they feel the need to twist their body less. What do you think?

[@CSFREERUNNING]

Just to clarify my point, on Giles first lache shown here, his body is at maybe 50 degree angle at the point of release, this should be more like 10-20 degrees, unless his landing point was several feet higher than it actually was.

[@originsparkour]

Appreciate your comment, Chris! Release timing is very important and may become an issue for Giles. However, I stand by our analysis and the interventions we provided because altering the timing of release without addressing the release shape and technique would be ineffective at producing the change in behaviour Giles is looking for. A rotated or staggered release is the most effective way to increase the line of sight during a lache. It is also more effective at getting an athlete’s shoulders forward and over top of their feet upon landing than a straight release particularly for people with less mobility and/or strength in shoulder flexion. This is the one intervention that Giles can implement that will dramatically improve his lache. Timing will become an important consideration once he sorts out his release technique, but it is not clear that timing is the source of his issues. He may not need any cues regarding timing once he changes his position and release. -Tom

[@CSFREERUNNING]

@@originsparkour There's some statements in here that I definitely disagree with. Generally I think the advice you gave is great, but to me the timing of the release is definitely first priority when somone is having a hard time spotting a lache. Just think about those bad, loopy laches, where the person goes up, then plops out of the sky, usually when they've messed up. I'm pretty sure you'll know what I'm referring to. They are the ultimate representation of letting go too late. For every degree you let go too late, you're a degree closer to doing the bad lache I refer too. Without hitting the preferable shapes, you'll always be safe and be able to see if you let go at the right time. You're just not going to have as much power generated. It's absolutely possible to hit all the preferable shapes and still let go too late and lose control though. It's funny you say that as I'm confident I could improve his timing and have him make no/minimal changes to his release technique too, as I don't subscribe to the idea that a staggered release is best. I believe it's preference. I release 2 armed and have no issue with being blind, Tim champion has done huge laches that are two are releases too. I have no doubt what you works and that you get results, it's just a very interesting area too me, so was keen to here you thoughts. Thanks for the reply!

[@CSFREERUNNING]

@@originsparkour Actually one more question, do you push your students towards a staggered release, even if they naturally adopt a 2 armed release? My view on this is I let them stick with what they feel comfortable with, then the advice on how to make them work best may be slightly different. I have a feeling you encourage staggered release for all though?

[@originsparkour]

To be clear, all laches are "two armed" releases. I don't like the terminology around discussion of the release because it draws attention to the wrong detail. "Staggered" and "one armed" release don't accurately explain the mechanism of action. It would be more appropriate to refer to it as symmetrical vs asymmetrical or rotated vs straight. I don't anticipate that I will change your mind about this via youtube comments, but since you brought him up, I encourage you to watch through Tim Champion's instagram and find an example of a lache in which he doesn't rotate. Remember don't look at the hands, watch the hips. Strategies in parkour may differ greatly depending on the context of the challenge, but one thing is clear from my observation: the rotated or asymmetrical release strategy is heavily favoured by the majority of skilled practitioners in most contexts and that cannot be ignored.

[@TimH86]

Hi guys, this is super interesting. What you’re saying about the staggered release is exactly how I do it but recently I watched a video bu Theo Tanchak (check out his channel!) who got into Tim Champion’s lachés, and he explains that staggered release limits your distance and advocates a simultaneous release. I haven’t had the chance to try my distances yet with both techniques - and I have very stiff shoulders. So perhaps its a mobility thing, if you can’t throw back hard/far enough to get your body upright, you just fall back to a staggered release? I’m curious what you guys think about Theo’s look at things.

[@originsparkour]

Don't just take our word for it. Go watch Tim's laches on instagram. In the vast majority of them, (including the really far ones) he uses this technique. It is especially important for the ones that require precision.

[@TimH86]

@@originsparkour cool - I don’t use instagram nor follow a lot of pk people so I took Theo Tanchak’s video as a thorough analysis. I guess this is good news because now I can keep developing my own technique - and focus on my hollows 😬👍

[@stanleyezepk]

@@TimH86 well I believe Darryl Stingley has made a lache tutorial on this channel, you should check it out. But I remember asking him about it on IG a long time go and he said to practice both techniques (i.e the two hand and the staggerer release) That the two hand release is better cause there isn't as much power leak as in the staggered and you can cover a big distance with precision, only that it would require more shoulder mobility compared to the staggered

[@tokar1297]

Guys im keep fallng on my back when lache. How to fix it ? :(