Team Fortress Classic - TFL Match - SIN vs ARES - 2fort 8v8

League: TFL
SIN vs {ARES}
Round 1 on 2fort 8v8
Some time between late 2004 to mid 2005.

[@UltimateEnd0]

POV: You're a kid. It's summer 2000, TFC 1.5 CD just came in the mail after weeks of waiting anxiously!

[@vibri_]

I really like how every class has so much mobility.

[@smitzw5077]

Yeah they had the same mobility as scout now

[@Koshara_is_derevni]

@Andrew Createz main?

[@ThatGuy-te9wh]

Do keep in mind these are proper competitive players though

[@lm9029]

Not every class. Heavy Weapons Guy was still as slow as in TF2 but he made up for that by actually having high damage at all ranges and having 80% damage resistance with his armor. Still, having more mobility for most classes meant you didnt need to switch to Soldier/Demo if you needed to be somewhere fast. While they can still blast jump they are mainly used for damage and knockback to either boost teammates or block fast cappers in chokepoints. (like stopping the speeding medic in the 2fort spiral)

[@NWAvsthePoliceDepartment]

Cept for Heavy, he is so very slow.

[@flobbingdonkey]

This was such a good game. I remember playing in the wireplay semi final against a clan called KKK. I came top as a demo man but we lost something like 60-40. But the game was a thrilling masterpiece. It basically cemented half life as the best game ever. As you had this, plus counter strike, plus half life itself. Ahhhhh splendid times.

[@johndavies115]

I spent ten years playing this. I was one of the top spy class players. Could even tranq medics and scouts mid conc jump. There'll never be a game quite like this again.

[@louistournas120]

@@johndavies115 : I probably played it 13 yearsl. From ~2000 to 2013 I bought Half-life in 1998 for 20$. It was a huge game with lots of maps, very long game play. Then I played online deathmatch mode. Then, at some point I downloaded TFC and CounterStrike.

[@notorio526]

@@louistournas120 I started playing in 2000 and still playing now 😎

[@justinchristian1926]

Half life: game of the year edition is the greatest game of all time

[@socialjusticewarrior2316]

it was so thrilling to be a PC gamer when this was new. You felt privileged to be playing it.

[@markhooper6786]

Thanks for posting. This brings back some memories. I *loved* playing this game. Clans, guilds, 9v9, 5v5, leagues, Catacombs, TFL, plays of the week, predictions, perfectplayer (lol) - just a freakin' blast! Good times for sure.

[@codeman1987]

In high school, we installed this game on the school's server (back in the day before adults knew about network admin), so you could play this game from pretty much any computer on campus.

[@heyturnkey]

A friend of mine back then ran a server off his work's T1. Good times those days.. going back 20 years.. holy cow

[@Shaderaygun]

Ah yes, Team Fortress Classic. Where everyone has the same mobility as the TF 2 scout.

[@nersie2814]

Backstab hitboxes mm

[@rikpoke]

@@nersie2814 what's mm

[@nike2136]

Coz goldrsc games characters were meant to be fast there coding is just did like that

[@VanngelN]

@@rikpoke my man

[@alface935]

@@nike2136 After All Gold Source Its Just a Modded Version Of The Quake Engine

[@GALuigi]

Damn this game was so competitive back in the day.

[@swedish_sadhguru3854]

This is the first online game I ever played with dial up in 1999. Had 200 ping but still loved it as an 8 year old boy, felt like magic.

[@ulfy01]

Goddamn I miss this game. It was like a warm blanket on a cold day.

[@KC_Smooth]

No better feeling than having no school and playing this game in the morning while it was cloudy or raining outside.

[@redson543]

you touched my feelings man...

[@hedgefund1844]

game looks like dogshit though

[@TheKozdgaf]

The good ol days trying to learn how to install custom sprays at 11 years old

[@goon7499]

is this the new half life speedrun?

[@jackman12359]

Just wait until a bunch of people don't take your comment as a joke and start to reply with "Its Team Fortress Classic you dumbo."

[@jonnyflyspeed]

no, this is the best game ever made

[@crashclash2866]

No it is portal 3

[@DISCONSOLATION]

Lmao

[@_speedyhops8058]

@@crashclash2866 concjumping into the portals with insane speeds

[@KC_Smooth]

Greatest feeling in the world was playing this game during Christmas vacation with no school

[@rigly]

I miss this game

[@moonlitphantasm]

You and me both

[@moonlitphantasm]

+Donnie Tramp That goes to show you how awesome it still is even though its old.

[@Anonymist79]

+Donnie Tramp I just got done playing it. Surprised me how many people were playing.

[@Anonymist79]

Donnie Tramp Not sure, a friend got me the games on steam today. I installed TFC went to server list and played on servers with lowest ping. It was pretty fun. I will definitely be playing more.

[@abufaraaz8773]

+rigly Yeah I'll be purchasing tfc on steam soon. I thought that people didn't play this game anymore, but read some comments not long ago that the servers are still up!. I'm going back to playing it. Started playing it way back in 01. I've been playing tf2 quite recently and don't get me wrong, I like the new features there and stuff, but it just doesn't have the same feel as tfc

[@10isen]

OH MY GRANDCHILDREN LOVED THIS WHEN THEY WERE LITTLE BOYS

[@uno2156]

Nice reference.

[@Smokr]

And I still do, gramps!

[@kidzbop38isstraightfire92]

That move at 0:27 was slicker than snot. Damn I didn't realize ppl got this good at that game.

[@comensee2461]

This brings me back to the early 2000s playing TFC and Natural Selection.

[@op3l]

Gees I remember having so much fun with this game. Played it for years and years. Tried to get into TF2 and I just can't get into it.

[@thecaptainplus]

Why couldn't you get into it? What stoped you?

[@ae1337]

@@thecaptainplus game was way slower. This demo is from 2fort, if you check some more open maps, with all the conc jumping, ramp sliding, this was insanely fast game with complex high skill ceiling movement, tf2 felt completely different. Many people couldn't transition to it, felt way too slow.

[@tannietf2]

ae1337 try tf2 6s(6v6), its pretty fast paced. well, not as fast as quake or tfc but its better than casual mode aka what ppl think about tf2 gameplay(12v12). i tried it myself and its very good, not boring at all. wish i discovered comp tf2 earlier so i dont have to waste my 5 years in casual servers.

[@evdestroy5304]

If it makes you feel any better, TF2 is on its last legs nowadays

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

@@evdestroy5304 no it isnt

[@EDEdDNEdDYFaN]

Thanks for uploading this bottle, funny how the algo must have snapped this one up hard to get it to 100k+ views. SIN & ARES were literally at the bottom of the competitive scene but that makes them better than 99% of people who ever played tfc, gotta love it

[@sinbottlelol]

True. I was playing at a much lower level than I should. But I liked the people I played with. Hence why I was so well known in bronze/silver levels. I was accused of sandbagging regularly. The video is to point out skill level of the game. Because despite the ton of demo recordings, which were league required. Apparently nobody saved them or bothered to upload them in pure form due to not wanting to show flaws in their game play. So, i'm like how about I upload a demo a full match at mid-level, flaws and all.

[@xdassinx]

I'm not sure, but I might have watched this game live, lol. I don't know, ARES looks familiar, and of course no one can forget those SIN fuckers.

[@sinbottlelol]

+xdassinx Hello and thank you for the compliment xdassinx! The two x's stand for assassination! because you played spy!

[@phpac5447]

@@sinbottlelol topkek

[@ir0n2541]

The good old days.

[@Throesofdefeat]

I was in [DvS], [U-235], nLv, auto!, |RBK|, and a euro team called insane Dutch killers, [IDK]. This is the greatest game ever made for me. Glad there's still a small community of us.

[@ezellwatkins6077]

You were in [DvS]? I was too! What was your name?

[@sinbottlelol]

I played [DvS] multiple times and [U-235] once way back in the day before this video. What was your name? nLv and auto! too

[@markgilbert9883]

god damn I love this game. more people need to play it

[@comicaze8238]

Mark Gilbert I just started last month

[@ggmate1863]

Thing is its made in 1999 XD

[@spookyubers1202]

@@ggmate1863 it doesn't really matter when is made. Long as you enjoy it you will like it.

[@Bruhmoment42O]

If this game came out in 2020 you wouldn’t say the same thing... now would you

[@KarlMySuitcase]

Good times, illustrative of why never played TF2. I bought it, realised you couldn't nade jump, never played again.

[@goodmusicenthusiast9040]

You can with the demoman to a degree.

[@troglodyte8242]

You can, but it's very hard since they bounce away from you, so it's recommended to use Rocket Launchers, Sticky Bombs and sentry rockets to blast jump. And only the Demoman can shoot grenades fyi.

[@JustSause]

tfc players when they can't spam grenades in tf2

[@nullname0]

try tf2 classic then

[@jmoz]

I spent so many hours playing this game. 56k modem hoping for sub 130 ping, praying my mom doesn’t pick up the phone. Medic, conc jumps, infect, capture the flag, top of the server.

[@SystemSpiker]

The conc assist at 12:02 is great.

[@CommanderSp00ky]

How did that happen? Anyone willing to explain?

[@rottenpunx999]

a red medic was conc'in right below him causing the extra boost

[@vex123]

Absolutely loved this game. I just dont think TF2 is as fun. Best times was when you had 32 players in well

[@gamer5101]

Tf2 has way better mobility and way more dynamic and interesting gameplay.

[@nullname0]

​@@gamer5101have you actually tried tfc

[@tellinthatruth840]

What a sick game... Compare it to the skill level of today's games... gg

[@gabrielmarchiori4158]

games of today, only aim and shoot

[@j.o.sm.m.r4115]

In TF2 you need a lot of skill too

[@j.o.sm.m.r4115]

But yeah this is sick

[@tacoblude8208]

Gabriel Marchiori ok boomer

[@defunctaccount1944]

@@gabrielmarchiori4158 you're thinking of cod ever played Cs go?

[@bryanbinder9011]

OMG...Glory-friggin-days.

[@WednesdayMan]

Bryan Binder it's so awesome the remake fotress forever (a remake of this game) has been put in the steam store for free!

[@merlinthe9thwiz454]

This is amazing! Team Fortress Classic used to be dying, but since Team Fortress 2 became free and popular, it never will! =D

[@mattlockman8371]

Damn I miss TFC and league match nights. Retired [BoA] here enjoying the video and nostalgia. I remember some great matches with both [SIN] and [ARES]

[@sinbottlelol]

I played against BoA so many times it' s literally ingrained to my mind. Pretty sure they hated me.

[@notorio526]

I've been playing this game nearly 20 years. Most of my life.

[@rickpickle]

we had so much fun playing this break in the day. just come home from work, get stoned, crack open a few beers and play tfc for hours. I always sucked but sometimes could rack up some decent kills

[@milkman1026]

Damn it's nice watching old school clan matches. I used to be in a TFC/CS 1.5 clan and we played on a match site called Area51. My clan was [.tG] I believe. Top Gun.. how original. Lol. Good momories from those days.

[@bubbajones7486]

I remember Area51. Andy Hodges I think it was owned the servers and website. I saw a few players named Top Gun.

[@michaelbenoit9240]

Goodtimes, I miss the TFC league days

[@heartattackphil]

this game should get a sequel

[@12omle]

lol

[@evdestroy5304]

Fortress Forever

[@Datboi1337PlaysGames]

How do you jump so far?

[@sinbottlelol]

Super jump.

[@lemeandre]

"Conc jump", you have to use the secondary grenade (concussion grenade) of scout/medic class. It allows you to do that, with correct position/timing of the jump...

[@jpuc5568]

+SIN LOL I thought you were using a combustion grenade.

[@sinbottlelol]

My preferred method of travel is buttblast propulsion

[@lemeandre]

SIN LOL lol

[@kris-wj3wj]

This was the first truly online game I played when I was 10. I've been building gaming computers since then.

[@chrismaitland2380]

wow its great seeing this, i was in ares in that time and i remember all those guys i cant believe i stumbled upon this

[@RIVERCITYShow]

Loved this game! I remember the good old days of competitive tfc in OGL, TFL, & STA with my clan Crimson Blade. Maybe I’ll redownload and see if anyone will mulch with me. 😆

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

Holy frick, the battle in this game is fking insane

[@gius8068]

Love how you juggled that engineer at 0:25

[@SunnyDazee]

I miss this game!

[@sinbottlelol]

+Christina Klabe Hello and thank you for the compliment Christina Klabe! I also miss this game!

[@botbee2316]

I watched this to just see the improvement of the Team Fortress games.

[@MikeyIreland]

Too bad sooo much of TFC classics history got erased with the deletion of the Catacombs website that our community used frequently back then. So many documented clan names clans, clan matches, records, screen shots and just general banter in its hey-day. [WOLF]QuikSi|veR a.k.a (CwO)GtsR'

[@sinbottlelol]

This is exactly why I uploaded this video. It's purely for historical purposes. It's not to disrespect TF2 or any other game. I considered myself quite good. In my own niche. There are plenty of players better than me. They just didn't bother to record and keep their demos. I have handful (still). I chose to share it for historical posterity.

[@MikeyIreland]

I've played COD and Battlefield and numerous FPS since TFC. Yes, the graphics are great but nothing even comes close to the community that TFC built back than. mIRC was a main reason. In my personal opinion, counter strike and TFC is the grandfather of online competive FPS gaming. Honorable mention to Quake but I think things really caught on after quake

[@bubbag9191]

|uaf|dogfighter silver sta , PF.Dogfighter sta gold

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

Gosh, what's with old sites like that Catacombs site being shutted down? Would have been better if they were still alive for newer people to discover, but eh, I guess they want to spread the existence of lost media, and that's something that I hate. I mean, I would understand about sites shutted down due to stuff like budget and bandwidth problems even though I still hate it, shareyourworld for example; but some sites shutting down for no reason/s or invalid reasons, like that NintendoAge site being shutted down due to it was told that it was a forum when it isn't, makes me hate it. Better abandon them than just removing them, and mind about preservation too.

[@brnbnt3257]

Clock works orange woooooooo

[@junepaul7843]

watching this made my eyes get wide, i started chewing the air and rocking in my seat. like it got me high.. like it did when i was a teenager.. 25 years ago😢😅

[@maehirajane]

このyou have the enemy flagのラジオボイスが良かった。

[@mikoumazakee2242]

Holy shit i found it yess ive been looking for this game since i started playing team Fortress 2 cuz when i did start playing it i always wondered if there was a team fortresss 1 and ive always asked peolpe whove played tf2 with who i know or just randoms ive played tf2 with and they always said there was never a tf1 or that tf2 was the first hell yess im sooo happy man now i wish i could play it

[@Bryan-dm7zk]

Good ol days...

[@WednesdayMan]

Bryan Beckett good ol days IN HD!!!! no really fortress forever has been officially added to steam! and YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY FOR IT!

[@sinbottlelol]

+TheKHfan358over3d Hello and thank you for the fortress forever update TheKHfan358over3d!

[@surjackeroff]

and I thought TF2 was fast paced.

[@anduin1]

Brings me back to my old clan days, this game was so fun

[@bazz303]

i miss the MIMIMI, when you switched to pyro and messed with their hopping.

[@oculedo9137]

I still play from time to time, though obviously it's not what it was in it's prime. I was one of the top players in the world back then and ran the very small but brutal special ops clan, there truly will never be a game quite like this ever again.. hands down the greatest team based online shooter ever made and nothing since has filled the massive hole it left or likely ever will. - [SO] Mr. Albert

[@Rich-lu2uh]

you could just hold onto the concussion grenade.... my childhood is angry at me.

[@kidzbop38isstraightfire92]

How is he boost jumping like that without throwing conc-grenade? Like at 0:55...how does he jump so far/high?

[@beybladesinmyheels1267]

Double the speed of a scout with demomains sticky launcher

[@Xndest]

i was expecting some sort of esport like cs 1.6 and what i see is half life speedrun competition

[@stevebanawitz]

I love watching this stuff and am a bit salty knowing I could never do this shit again at my age haha.

[@Alpenjodler1]

Thank you for the upload. Are you sure it was around 2004? Your bunnyhop is really fast. I think it was already more crippled when I quit around 2002...

[@sinbottlelol]

Yes, definitely 2004, or possibly early 2005. I'm not sure on exact date because I didn't date my demos. This was after the speed cap was added and general bunnyhop/skimming nerfs.

[@Alpenjodler1]

SIN LOL Then you guys are awesome ^^ I stopped playing since I couldn't hold speeds like that anymore

[@sinbottlelol]

+Alpenjodler1 Hello and thank you for the compliment Alpenjodler1! I'm sorry you became slow!

[@sinbottlelol]

+Bunzai Hello and thank you for the question Bunzai! default_fov 120 is what I played at! But you can set this value to your comfort level! Thank you!

[@xshionx2950]

@@sinbottlelol you still playing?

[@chrisvolkert4072]

[KoS] slaughterhouse5 this is TriggerHappy. Miss my boys what a game. We were one of the best and fn owned spy class better than anyone but Aerodactyl. He taught me the tranquizer. Best team strategy game fps ever

[@lolimamasteryimain1112]

the new long jumps looked amazing

[@Anonymist79]

Half an hour of bunny hopping and pre-firing. How exciting.....

[@lemeandre]

bunny hopping requires skill (unless you are a script loser), and making those (grenade) concussion jumps requires skill too. Plus 2fort is kinda limited for momevent, lot of narrow areas, almost no ramp jumps to be done etc.The point is, the movement part alone is very exciting by itself. Much more than in most fps teams games. Plus the rest...

[@SmokingSpoon]

I never could figure out how to bunnyhop xD....

[@riv4lm4n]

get good xD

[@BlackOps78321]

Definitely gives you more to look forward to than the dumbed down "only point and click" shit Valve has now. When people like you were forced to play games like this, it was delicious, because you were just another death on the board.

[@evdestroy5304]

@@BlackOps78321 You can almost smell the toxicity coming from this comment

[@ericpotts5843]

Loved this game, Counterstrike, and StarCraft! Good times in my life. Playing this shit at 10 yo.

[@hanzzyolo8240]

Man I remember these clan names. Were SIN and ARES in the top division of TFL? Your play is fantastic here..

[@snowmaske]

This looks so fun!

[@GiganticPyro]

TFC Medic is a fucking pain to play with.

[@Screemin3o2]

Brings me back.

[@seb_zombie2008]

me:watches this video epilogue:I’M STEPPING THROUGH THE DOOR

[@SmokingSpoon]

Omfg... the flashbacks this is giving me.

[@eblevinda]

I use to play this game in the EU league - was in a Clan Armed and Insane [A&I] awesome and loved it, dial up all the way baby :) [A&I]Southstar checking in haha gg

[@MrVinicius343]

you may not recognize it. but hes playing medic on 2fort

[@ripptornX]

good wall shot

[@sinbottlelol]

+Owen Mack Hello and thank you for the compliment Owen Mack!

[@jmack20093]

+Owen Mack Dude! Nice name!

[@Zurinaya]

Where is this server located at? Just wondering about your ping during that time you upload the play of this video

[@borealisaristocles4825]

Sadly no, to play this without install some virus in the community servers, you have to put the files file from tfc and valve in FreeTFC (a reverse engineer of goldsrc write in QuakeC) running on top FTEQW and compile in the SDK Nuclide. A full Goldsrc experience with 64 btis , openGL 1.4 and 3.4 support and compatible with modern GPUs

[@akeefe03]

dang dude you were insaneeee

[@sinbottlelol]

I appreciate that. Straight speed was how I always played. I don't care who you are lol.

[@SezerPank]

In the past, I thought Scout was a mailman though.

[@willn8664]

15:01 lol two of the people from the other team named themselves after Full House characters and one of them after Perfect Strangers

[@pootisspencer6999]

Valve makes the most legendary games.

[@jerseyfoxarcade6858]

Pootis Spencer Valve didn’t make this game.

[@rogal6661]

The batts to batts to start the game was 10/10.

[@elcaltrider]

dont know if you still read the comments but i have a lot of old .dem clan matches i want to convert. how did you convert your .dem files to a video like .mp4 or .avi?

[@breakerboy365]

record it while the demo is playing back

[@DrMxy]

Surely you have more demo files to upload, now in 4k 60fps :)

[@happy4435]

Awesome video!

[@redson543]

these fuckin grenades r really op

[@dacull5755]

Omg have ptsd of accidently walking over the gren bag as scout.. this player clearly didnt respect his defence..

[@sinbottlelol]

I really didn't as evidenced by me calling them terrible in the video. I'd be lying if I said I respected them at certain points. I was at the top of my game at this point and I didn't feel the same way about their defense. Such is life.

[@Densester]

no wonder valve removed the grenades, the bunny hop exploit was op.

[@Densester]

Ludator yeah, i mean giving scout, the fastest class mind you, a JUMPING grenade is just not balanced. Thats like giving the heavy a way to be as fast as the scout while spinning up his minigun, its broken.

[@comicaze8238]

Cinos the Dense potato he didn't have grenades in TFC, I played him. He has spikes that's slows people down

[@blakey7525]

scouts werent strong in tfc, thats why they were so mobile, same with medics. scouts in tf2 have a scattergun where you can delete anyone who has a low hp pool.

[@evdestroy5304]

@@comicaze8238 Scouts in TFC have concussion grenades as well

[@dismalcontent6067]

I am 99% sure I played with you! been piecing it all back together recently... all those names look so familiar!

[@sinbottlelol]

Haven't checked this video in a minute. It's possible. I played with alot of people over the years. What was your name?

[@dismalcontent6067]

@@sinbottlelol dismal. I played in SIN in like 2002-2003 I think ?

[@sinbottlelol]

@@dismalcontent6067 I honestly don't remember you. Maybe you did? Alot of people came and went in those days.

[@herosquad90]

I don't know if you still play or not, but can you teach me how to play with what you know? I wanna be able to do such complex bhops and grenade jumps.

[@totara3463]

This is great! I still get into a lot of pugs today.

[@bluejey1564]

Beastiality is wrong

[@comicaze8238]

Yes

[@progamechris]

Andrew Luiz got your clip for Team Fortress evolution. 15:36 and also valve games evolution 24:42

[@theincrediblegeneral5135]

SIN huh? Where have I heard that name before? Maybe I played on one of their servers idk

[@the_epic_memer553]

tf2 players are crazy due to a lack of updates. tfc players are crazy due to being able to say hi to god himself using grenades.

[@RichCinema]

Strages in Nomine! Iplayed with VD, Rip, EX, Jag, Dassin, Spatch and the old crew. Nostalgic, these so called competitive esports games have nothing on this til this DAY.

[@TheLambLive]

.-[IST]- Pants reporting in. 😁

[@tmnttiny]

Is this game still active? if so I will consider buying it in christmas :D

[@SigmaMale1440p]

Its hard to find a pub with a lot of people except for an antibhop server, but if youre on at the right times you can get in a few servers

[@SigmaMale1440p]

***** I used to play on funtown back when I took more interest in tfc. I also tried out that one SA server but I can't play on 200+ ping.

[@gabrielmoreiramarchiori7207]

Evil have lot of players, and autobhop :D i love it

[@jeleight]

Normal player jump: 0:43 Speedrun player jump: 0:55

[@kR-qj7rw]

what a fun game exept for the granade sspam, it has a verry hard learning curve to get used to it,

[@sinbottlelol]

The grenades equal the playing field for defense, considering the speed offense players started running at later in the game. Without them, offense would have overran defense. Likewise, in TF2; where players move much slower, grenades would have been incredibly overpowered. Hence they were removed. Like, as a defense player in TFC, you sometimes throw your grenades at your position while you resupply and pray to god nobody blows by you while you're out of position.

[@hydriumetern7808]

Man I spent months practicing conc jumping only to swap from medic to engi/pyro for my team.

[@lm9029]

29:35 Oops goldsrc rendering bug.

[@hundredpercentjuice]

I'm completely baffled by this player that's a great bunny hopper but couldn't land a single conc jump.

[@rickpickle]

head shot ultrakill MONSTER KILL lololol so much fun!

[@daf2666]

O my. Love to see this .. we always play it in lan games in this map, but like a normal gameplay. Not like this bunny hopping and speed run style

[@remlet3753]

how did you bunny hop or bhop without using the concussion grenades? did you use a script or did you have skill?

[@remlet3753]

did you even read the whole comment?

[@remlet3753]

It's probably skill

[@comicaze8238]

It's skill, grenade jumping is hard

[@math2159]

the voice scares me heavy.jpg