Teammates too heavy? | Whose Fault Is It Anyways? #19

[@TheGlenn8]

Tip of the day: Flame with your mic so you can multitask while calling your support every word God has forbidden.

[@maikoymokspg163]

I knew I was doing things right

[@asd-dr9cf]

Then get muted 5min into the game so that every mid and late game strat/call is 100x harder 😂

[@maximilian1825]

i like how this is completely honest, some people may not take criticism well of their own gameplay especially if they think it’s the others fault, but i enjoy the honesty in this

[@JuL3r]

Thats especially true for the dota community. In other games people react defensive too, but not ultra toxic and stupid like dota gamers. In RTS f.e. people tend to be a little more self-conscious.

[@bggjjhljk]

I love these videos. And can't agree more. There's nothing more infuriating than a teammate who is typing to flame in chat and then ends up getting killed in the process.

[@ganaelschneider]

Or oddly satisfying

[@andrewsorenson5492]

This is my favorite dota 2 content. Reminds me a lot of Harstem's "Is it Imba, or do I suck?" series. Thanks for all the time you put into this, please keep up the content/series.

[@WhopperCheeseDota]

I can sympathise with Sf at 8:30. It's super tilting to see my support who's been afk give me a random tango when I already have 3, it's showing they have no idea what's going on and think just giving a tango somehow makes things ok

[@chazdomingo475]

You want me to kiss it and make it better?

[@WhopperCheeseDota]

@@chazdomingo475 Archon player

[@stephenjacobsen4616]

when that happens to me i demonstrate true griefing and put the tango on the ground and attack it -_- its super frustrating

[@stephenjacobsen4616]

lol, typed before i saw this sf did the same. Such a horrible state of mind he's in. I feel him =/

[@moebino2685]

@@chazdomingo475 no we want you to grow more braincells and not afk as a support

[@iDocumental]

I always say the draft is where the mistakes begin, that being said the Beastmaster is the true Griefer. If he doesnt cry they win lane and sf has a stun heal

[@PATWILLATTACK]

As a climbing crusader with about 250 games, I cannot believe this is Divine.

[@Colopty]

As a general rule for any game, people don't get truly good until the top 0.1% and everything before then is just the equivalent of toddlers hitting each other with pool noodles.

[@VCMarcelo]

So a guardian is the same as a divine? I don't think so

[@Chris-ej4zz]

dont forget its NA dota

[@SammyLame]

as a divine i can tell u both sf and his supp play this lane like crusaders

[@grassyclimer6853]

I think you just end up with different problems heralds are more chill about stuff and normally just go jungle when they are mad by archon people are throwing items on the ground breaking them then feeding nonstop. some problems are way worse higher up like people learning new heros making whole team rage or missing one play making someone go full drama and quit.

[@Theinternetsucks95]

Nothing more tilting than support with full mana and health standing in the camps while you can’t cs

[@musicalnerd5738]

Warlock looks like he's been boosted by friends and did not reach divine on his own. He doesn't know about basic support movements and creep equilibrium. I refuse to believe that he reached divine on his own.

[@BLANGZAK]

Also warlock didnt even seem to right click enemy heroes once. even againts 2 melees.

[@LachlanDally]

Mate, this is gold. Just found your channel and the combination of education and entertainment is top notch. The centaur zoom 😆

[@creamnwheat]

Yikes. Full mana warlock with sage's mask playing out of lane, that hurts. Warlock's biggest lane presence comes from being able to spam heals and allow a core to just soak harassment, goading the all-in into upheavals and bad calls. You use that to let the enemy get whittled down by level 3-4 and start investing in their own heals, and that's where you start doing pulls and stacks, coming back to heal, pulls and stacks, come back to heal, so on and so forth. They will either start to focus you for being separated (core gets farm), or your core will become fearless (and get farm). It's not perfect. But you don't play out of the lane as a warlock, man.

[@mnesmtg5613]

I thought spinning upside down was going to be the high point, but I lost it at the zooming in on centaurs bit. Great content as always, Zach!

[@erikskaug9952]

Wow it's my game! Not sure if I should be afraid to watch the video lol.

[@erikskaug9952]

Phew - wasn't too bad. Thanks for the advice and for spotlighting my gameplay!

[@thediamondite9438]

Alright, I feel like I could write an essay about my frustrations with this match, it's been like two weeks and I'm still reeling from the effects. To keep it short though, I was veno pos 4, feeling pretty good after having watched your guide on veno not too long ago. Our lane went decent I'd say, killed slark and SS a few times, which let Dawn do her thing. But it feels like my morphling was a big nothing-burger, and my jakiro was just bad. The entire team didn't really want to group either, whether it be to fight tormentor or to help each other when a fight was starting (looking at jakiro...) I acknowledge my own weaknesses in the match, especially in the late game I feel like I fell off a bit as their raw initiation was to be admired, stopping my from using my spells. I only bought my shard hoping that Morphling would get his when we defeated the tormentor the second time, seeing as he was getting stun locked and killed rather easily. I see faults in my positioning and a few of my ward choices, but overall I feel like this wasn't my fault. Here is the matchID: 7221818179 (Archon II btw)

[@addiematt5736]

hindsight is 20/20. you're not Topson. give [yourself and] teammates some leeway in making mistakes. very important point at 8:38

[@chrishaller2553]

1,9K MMR Average ranked role Queue - I play AXE offlane (Sidge). Match ID: 7244388325 During draft, our hard support picks Necrophos and decides to play pos 4 instead. I immediately express my dissatisfaction with support Necro (especially at crusader level) - but he assures me to "let him cook". There were many things wrong with this game and I would love you to tell me otherwise but I truly feel it was one of those unwinnable games. Their Rubick was a smurf and our mid Clinkz died 19 times in 40 minutes. I win my lane against AM despite having 0 impact from my Necrophos support. In fact, I would say he griefed me in moments early on in the laning stage as I am trying to pull agro against AM - as to not take damage and mana burn from AM as a low levelled Axe that isnt too strong in the first 3 levels. Despite the Necrophos, I take the tower early and limit AM to a 16 minute BF with no boots completed. I feel as if I have done pretty well. I decide to go blink first to try and help my teammates address their endless feeding sitaution as soon as possible, plus blade mail wouldn't do too much damage against their team during my call due to their hereos - and I knew AM was behind so wouldnt be joining fights for at least 10 minutes. I also go pipe before blademail to address their massive amounts of magic damage and again blademail was only good against AM. I would love to know what I can do better in lane and directly after lane to help stop the enemies' rapid snowball. I won't lie, at around 30:20 I am hunting AM as I know he is alone farming and I thought Lifestealer was near me - as thats what he communicated on coms - and we could kill AM. I die stupidly, I should've had a smoke and LS should've been infested in me and then it's a kill. A combo we never got right at any point in the game (my bad). So my mistake, I end up dying stupidly and kinda give up at that point. I respawn and get a half-hearted triple kill, we all run down mid, get team-wiped and lose the game. I am entirely sure there are many things I could do better, but mainly I would like to know how I could have done better in lane and directly post lane to help stop their massive snowball earlier. I think Necro support is horrible and genuinely grieved my lane and then had very little impact throughout the game (he bought an Sange & Kaya on SUPPORT Necro ffs). To be honest it felt like only myself and Lifestealer had any significant impact on the game from our team. Please confirm with me that this is more my team's fault then mine.

[@ScreamoKoala]

it's crazy to see how many mistakes this warlock made at Divine. you have to be in lane as soon as the waves meet. games are lost at the first wave at that bracket. Very little room for error. If he was in lane at the very beginning, he can throw the heal damage on the SB or pudge and right click them to zone them out. also the terrible map awareness and spider senses of a SB+pudge hook is alarming. overall, terrible timings in that first 5 mins of the game cost the game starting from minute 0. also warlock 4 is not a thing. Dont grief your team by doing that. This is speaking from a level 30 warlock in divine myself.

[@Petree12345]

Hi I have seen some of your videos before but have only started paying attention properly in this one. This was really, really good. I'm an ancient 2 player that recognised most of the things in the video, however, I'm certain I made similar type mistakes because I'm being 'lazy' with my thought process. Not to mention it's easier to recognise them after the game than it is to not to do them in real time! Subscribed, hope to see similar lane analysis in future!

[@DrSCHNO]

The best Dota 2 video format, great video!!

[@JacknOats]

Please don't stop this series. It's probably my favorite dota content, it's informational to us and also entertaining 😁👍

[@SuperLeutu]

AHHHHHH so afraid to submit a replay to be reviewed :))) i'd get shredded maaaaaan :D such a cool video tho, learned a lot

[@TriNguyen0601]

Dam, all of this craziness just by not showing up to the lane on time.

[@teagen4419]

Your videos are awesome and you have great personality. Keep up the great work!

[@Dazen101]

I think i found my new fav series

[@ggfargo]

As a support main I can say I hate support players. This warlock is every divine support in a nutshell that got carried by a carry that learned to 1v2 or by a skilled mid laner. I bet he even lost gold in the picking phase because he didn't know what to pick. There is so much I don't understand from these players and one of them is how can they queue knowing they are first pick but haven't thought for a second what they are going to pick when they find a match.

[@gugull-vb1qn]

i love your personality sooo fucking much! man keep it up, love the content too :D

[@gallachermatt]

I get supports like this in my crusader bracket lol. feels awful.

[@richardrh333]

By any chance where can I find the pull times? Thanks

[@GailsonPvPwtf]

tbh, Warlock griefed at the beginning of the lane by not being there. That started the whole thing. Should he not tilt? yeah. did he give up? no.

[@Meyveda]

I’m a terrible pudge hook magnet on any hero😢

[@lequdindoquede78]

also in divine bracket, it is afk support for sure. I rarely see it in ancient or more. but this Warlock for sure will become archon or lower if he keeps playing

[@taedopalleb1373]

I usually play pos3 and it kills me inside when my 4 just stands in the trees/fog of war and just watches me get harassed, bullied, gone on, killed. All the while they have over 80% mana and cast one spell every 2 minutes, then just takes farm after i die 2v1. rinse, wash, repeat. Oh and sapping lvls too to ensure the lane phase is truly lost. GG

[@HellSnowman]

even in divine supports doesnt know how to play the game… whats happened in lower brackets..

[@jeffreyandia5179]

You can easily spam your way out of 3k (with some luck) and then stay at 5k without no knowledge of the game If you spam pos 4 the skill gap is not that different

[@rosvokomppania]

@@jeffreyandia5179 you still need to be somewhat competent on that bracket or you will drop for sure

[@jeffreyandia5179]

@@rosvokomppania nah not really, as long as you keep playing pos 4 (from 3k to 5k) the skill gap is not that huge and you can adapt as time goes by Thing is, thanks to this new MMR system, 3 and 4k have become hell for experienced players

[@johnnychannarong5484]

@@jeffreyandia5179bullshit. If you don’t know how to support, your lane will be shit for your carry. Regardless of being a 4 or 5.

[@ilazaodla916]

Most probably thing is the warlock is not a support player, but he need the role queue anyway. So yeah things like that can happen. I can see some Legend support players do much better than him in Laning stage. Even I as a low rank support player can see he is not a support player at all since he doesn't know that he messed up a lot to make his SF get so bad laning stage

[@jaapgerritsen84]

Great content & lauging my nuts off meanwhile with the faces u make

[@CalebPendergast]

Love the roasting hahaha 🤣

[@JuL3r]

Low ELO Supports are more than often terrible at their core job, specially Pos5 players. So often they leave their pos1 alone, not pulling creep waves, dont push enemies out of the lane or atleast keep them low hp, not ready to use their spells to save their pos1 when he is getting ganked, farming their own core items instead of buying wards or heal for their pos1. Same goes for Pos4 players, who never TP to help pos1 when there is a huge gank on Pos1 which includes massive tower diving. In the end everybody blames the carry for not beeing 6 slotted, although there was little he could do about it, because he never had a Team around him.

[@manuelmarce2544]

Too bad, the supports got good sustain with those heals and Fatal Bonds + Death Ward should tear the enemies apart, and that Upheaval should work well with many of their skills.

[@lukabryant-h6k]

what should i do as pos 4 if my mid lane is losing 1 vs 1 in his lane??

[@BLANGZAK]

if you can communicate with your 3 to shove your creep wave and do a a hard camp pull so that you can leave your lane and try to gank mid to help your mid recover by getting a kill and keep your 3 near tower. or you can keep making enemy's 1 suffer if your lane is winning. then you and 3 can gank their 2 to try to halt their growth.

[@nithinsid9547]

Match ID : 7238298179 I was playing pos1 Medusa , I was having a pretty decent lane with my undying(5) . I asked my pos5 to just pull a creep wave so that the creep equilibrium stays near our tower which would be way more easier to killl opponent necro and earthshaker. But he doesn’t listen , he drops tomb like in the enemies tower radius a couple of times and we missed necro by 10hp multiple times . Also my mid sniper was failed miserably and top kunkka was autofarming like a programmed bot . Can you please explain me what went wrong .

[@ilazaodla916]

I'm pretty sure this could be a pretty interesting replay Match ID : 7235111855 My Hero : Undying (Pos 4) Screwed up teammate : LC (Safelane) and Huskar (Midlane) Explanation : In this game, I think that my laning stage as pos 4 was not bad and quite winning the game until mid-game 20min. Although my safelane LC is quite having a bad time on her lane, But me with my pos 3 able to force enemy offlane rotate to our lane to help their safelane. But even thou they rotate, we didn't die or feed them. Because of that I'm pretty sure my LC safelane should have get so much space for farming in her lane and jungle, but unfortunately she didnt do that and trying to join a fight instead without any items despite his bad laning stage. After that, in mid-game I tried to create more space, make a play and defending our space while we are pretty much stronger and have more resources than the enemy team. But I don't understand what my Huskar mid and LC safelane trying to do.. They keep doing some stupid things like when forcing a fight when we have no resources and enemy team are all gone in Fog of War OR they just running away to farm some jungle camps or walking around without any clear intentions what to do in the game when we have resources to fight or defend the tower. It's pretty sure the game escalates from winning to losing badly because there's no good teamwork at all while the enemy team has a good teamwork and clear intentions what objective they can get in the game. I have tried to do my best what I can in the game, but because the communication is sucks and no teamplay at all. My team really don't know how to play or what to do in the game. So I decide to give up and abandon the game by AFK jungle in the game because I know there's no way my team can win the game anymore. Please help me review what can I actually do more in this game or is it actually a truly not win-able game in your perspective @ZQuixotix? I hope my replay could be a good content for you too

[@InfernoVor]

I'd still blame SF for the solo death and getting engaged on early. It really felt like he tilted and went fuck it. Like if it was low elo I'd agree with you, but you're telling me in 5k he didn't forsee all that goong down? Sure pudge living was unlucky but we shouldn't have even gotten to that point.

[@MrJonnycm]

This is a 5k game? it looks worse than my 3k ones

[@kingheenokgaming4783]

I play support because my suppirt don't ward/pull/play the lane. Then I loose cause my carry is abysmal. Then I play HC but my support don't ward/pull/lane pressure so I play support.

[@aayushgupta8686]

As a carry i used to throw when I get support like this warlock 😭

[@cfv704]

Some times the loss is DIRECTLY related to a player. Literally nobody, ot even Miracle can save the game.

[@randymarsh5176]

next time reveal the mmr bracket at the end and leave us guessing i have these types of lanes in archon/legend same mistakes could be fun to make it a quiz

[@molematador]

7356258880 Horrible game. I was offlane nightstalker and did my best, although we had a hard lane. We had mid monkey who was underfarmed and jumping on trees achieving nothing... And our pos 5 disruptor had negative impact and 900 networth at 10 mins... can you explain what happened??

[@WinTeRzZ47]

Don't pour oil to save fire.

[@glennsalvane4834]

when you get blamed for no apparent reason just because he picked mid medusa and got rekt. suddenly it's my fault because i picked razor safelane 🤣 then i proceeded to feed because why the hell not

[@GenjaOrigins]

Anyone knows someone like ZQuixotix core players at safe lane?? to give it to my friend? cause i am support and this guy is enough i dont need anyone else?

[@斜め七十七度の並びで-z1o]

7240917499 4.5k drow carry game was going good early laning stage until brood decided to die twice top and then tp btm to steal last hits, then the game just proceeded to spiral out of control. went top, died to am then the tame basically kept imploding with brood blaming both supps and mid doing nothing.

[@familyfriendlycontent.jayp1944]

I feel awful for this sf fr man and I’m a support main

[@jassirflores2567]

1) Match ID: 7241706015 2) Legion Commander - Offlane | Ancient 3 3) This game was painful, i made a mistake by purchasing Mails vs Dagger, should have gone dagger and then Mails, my lane was ok, we won it, but idk why i went roaming the map after i got t1 i should have stood there so i could farm my Blink dagger and kick MK harder from the lane, mid game was NOT easy, OD got fat, and Pugna+Undy were flaming Sniper real hard for his 100% true lack of brain and big mouth, Slark was definetly a bad player no doubt, but i cant get into their minds so i chilled and tried to play with that in mind, OD got Linken really fast but i decided to trust team to pop his BKB so i could get AC to counter MK desolator so my team wouldnt get destroyed, game stucked around min 35, i'm sure we lost because we lacked dmg (I had a lot, but is was physical, vs such high armors+tide E.... it is not so effective, MKB for Slark+Sniper would have been perfect and game winning, i think maybe my Aghanim was a bad purchase, i think refresher was better (or maybe it was ok, and i needed something else....) our team was bad, game felt hard so it was probably our picks which were not good Late game was organized but the difference was too big, I am good.... but i have limits in what i can do, sometimes i dont catch all the information on screen, and it was what happen.... maaaaaaaaaaaybe some crazy blinks :D :D i think those bets were worth the risk (late game i mean min 35+). In the end we lost, and i went to grab a coffee and calm myself from this depression Pls ZQuixotix pick me

[@Papiness]

Dota is 70% skill game 30% anger management training

[@SammyLame]

They are both terrible honestly, sf mechanically bad, and warlock is having bad idea on how to play the lane. Supports are not realizing how important are first waves, and how important is to actually right click enemy heroes and denying creeps....

[@sbarz106]

Hello, I won this game but I struggled a bit in the laning phase against a zeus and slark (managed to avoid dying) but I would like to know if I could have done better especially in the laning phase and the mid game to late game itemization, positioning, fights taken etc. I was playing as dark seer btw id: 7239598440

[@krazed0451]

I'm sorry, this is Divine..? What the actual fudgery?

[@beepiffy2550]

There must be a Peruvian speeed telling players in crusaders to grief because I’ve had five pos 5s playing pos 1 in the last week

[@michaelwambaugh6726]

Match 7240665302 archon 4 I don’t always play consistently. This time I think I played well. At least it felt like it. My safe laner was lifestealer, super not meta and it shows. I gave him an ez lane and he did nothing with it. Tusk had a ton of good saves but ultimately even though fights went well we just kept feeding.

[@michaelwambaugh6726]

Oh I was cm.

[@aron666able]

SF is probably one of the worst pos 1 to go 2v1 (He is way too squishy) , and warlock and wd think it is a good idea to tri-lane, yes he should've played more defensive in lane but that is hardly enough to blame him.

[@SammyLame]

this sf is getting hooked like herald ....

[@yueheiyeung3643]

How is this guy this rank

[@Richard-ln6wu]

Hello, been watching this since the beginning, great channel keep up the work. Match ID: 7241048733 Hero: Miranda Crusader game. Kunta and I did great top and won the lane with a few kills. Mid and bot got rekt. Snapfire and Monkey seemed to be playing one handed all game. Witch Doctor flamed the whole team and me especially, saying "noob" and "useless" (with his 18 deaths) The game felt 2v5 the entire game. How could Kunta and I influenced the team more? Please roast me to hell of course, I would love to improve my game and understand if Witch Doctor had a point.

[@KIMWEXLERGAMING]

warlock is such a bad hero i assume off the bat its this guys fault for picking warlock

[@spicymilk9567]

Warlock isn't a bad hero right now but it's a bad pos 4 so he did fuck up their draft. Switching to 5 this should actually be a pretty strong lane if they play it correctly into double melee. Fatal bonds, upheaval, SF razes into two melee heroes... Pudge should be hating his life in this lane.

[@jassirflores2567]

Am I first??? :D pls zquixotix give me a hearth

[@motchness]

how dumb to send this gameplay in blaming his core XD

[@ZQuixotix]

It's hard to see your own mistakes sometimes and much easier to see your teammates/enemies. So I appreciate people willing to be roasted on this series to improve themselves and everyone watching!

[@tibux]

"teammate too heavy" procedes to lose the lane in less than a minute for not showing. The game ended there my friend, you failed your carry and he is right to get tilted. but then you have the balls to say "my sf is too heavy". Your behind is too heavy thats why you were not in lane to enable your carry!! the worst thing is that you had a tp but deceided to take twin gate thus arrived late.. but not too at least you got to see your sf dying

[@tsuki5298]

that warlock was trash

[@BWAaxw]

This is why I stopped playing.

[@damonruetama8126]

While I agree with a lot, this is the first video where I also disagree with a lot of what was said. 1. Not sure how he's "late to the lane" because he's forced to go to pos 5 when he Queued pos 4. He kept harping on this, "if you were there it would've been different." For the scenario (supports switching untimely), this is solely on SF for his positioning, getting hooked and not playing more defensive. I guess the advice here is get to the lane faster and learn Spanish so you know this? Side note: there are a bunch of mistakes Warlock makes but I'm not addressing that... 2. He says Warlock's partially to blame when SF farms the small camp and then proceeds to feed near the large camp? No. If SF didn't farm the small camp at around 4 36 either of them could've pulled it (yes the carry can pull too) and then not feed. He says he missed a pull which causes this. Again no. If SF didn't farm it, it could've been pulled. Could warlock have played the lane better? Yes. But there's still a matter of degrees. Who's fault is it anyways? SF. 100% Should Warlock be able to learn from this game and improve? Yes. Laning still primarily SF's fault. Wish there was more, like mid game and late game situations. I've played so many 2v1 with supports actually griefing by being afk in fountain, etc. and it's hard as hell. Easy to die. Stressful. But you can learn to play it and comeback from it. And losing some creeps is much better than feeding. I've been there where I feed by bad positioning and say my bad. This lane is hard but I'll do my best. Love the series. Keep em coming. 🙂

[@gabe-i4w]

You seem to completely miss what this series objective is. He's not doing a match review to tell SF how to play better, but how Warlock could've been more impactful. He quickly addresses when SF was at fault in some situations, but that's usually to show the person watching that he sees these as well - and again, they're not what we are watching this for. At 4:36 Warlock not pulling was 100% his fault. Not only he was there in time, but SF was finishing farming the current wave. SF barely made it in time to try to pull and probably would have to use Raze for it which would compromise a lot the pull efficiency anyways.

[@damonruetama8126]

@@gabe-i4w haha! My good sir. I think you seem to completely miss what I wrote and what this series is about. This series is about entertainment (to which I thoroughly enjoy) and its also in the title.... don't think the title says who can be more impactful anyways! Lol Never said he's doing a match review about SF. I also indicated that Warlock could've done better. I think you need to reread what I wrote and take issue with my actual words. You can disagree with me about the specifics. But don't be a dick and attack my comprehension. Good luck. 👍

[@damonruetama8126]

@@gabe-i4w oh, and specifically at around 4 36 the small camp was alive and he can pull it at 4 48-50 if it was still alive. To emphasize I'm not talking about the 4 20 pull (which he did miss) I'm talking about what caused SF to feed at 4 45. Watch again buddy. 😀

[@lukesheridan301]

uninstall pls

[@erikskaug9952]

This was my game! I totally agree with you. While I don't really think the start is on me. I def made mistakes and appreciate the commentary. And the roasting 😂. Moreover the whole point of the series is to focus on what you can do to improve rather than blame others.

[@K1razxc]

Hey man, I know this is not a support review but I do want some insight on what I couldve done better in this game as I felt like my teammates, especially sniper underperformed My main issues are creep aggroing and laning in general. I felt really week and I felt like I couldn't fight which caused me to have only 11k hero damage. My sniper made it rly awkward for me since i wanted to farm triangle but he kept sitting there + my teammates wouldn't stop blaming each other from min 1 and I got very tilted Match ID: 7236427902 I'm juggernaut

[@misterlazar]

Match ID: 7241913781 Hero: Lion I had a horrible game and I feel like my team didn't help me enough to cover the things we had to do and I ended up falling really behind, they had a lot of heroes that stopped me from playing so I was pretty much left without anything to do for the whole match, I ended up getting annoyed overall but I was still trying to play I think clinks should have helped me more around or at least get something done but I felt like both of my sidelanes weren't proposing much and were just really static. Overall I just think my team is wrong on trying to blame the whole game on me.

[@vrennnn2165]

7246449212 i was playing undying i think my game drag out when we could have finished 20 mins earlier. laning was decent except tide kept dying to muerta and cm. fast forward to around 24 min, my team kept forcing mid when there are other important objectives in the map. since my hero is undying i have no choice but to join them fight because i cant push alone. i was telling them to go for tormentor and the tier two top tower. from there we kept taking bad fights and diving their base. still won but i think it should have ended sooner.

[@tejaswin5404]

Dude that Shadow fiend is a useless Hook magnet,No wonder he lost in a divine match especially with his h0rrible positioning against a H00ker pudge in that lane👍

[@Taziod]

are you the warlocks KZbin smurf?

[@estevamcoelholopes368]

All i see is the warlock doing a LOT of mistakes.

[@rosvokomppania]

@@estevamcoelholopes368 and tilted SF

[@baddoboss9075]

both are to blame warlock for being awful support and SF for bad positioning + tilting

[@gallachermatt]

Are you watching the video on mute or just not listening?