Tearful Doctor Testifies to Neglect of Mother: Brother & Sister Murder Trial

[@CourtTV]

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[@juneyshu6197]

They look brain impaired?

[@denisemitchell6034]

How were they found guilty?!!? That’s not right… I wouldn’t even want to take credits for that… I have family members that were just like that bother and sister… yall are saying to the world that those two who clearly look like they couldn’t take care of themselves are guilty…and they got life?!??!? WHAT?!!?!? HA…. Its was a huge failure on that entire family and the nurse practitioners who failed to demand and report what they saw… there are many to blame but not two adults who are clearly mentally disabled… that’s dead wrong!!!!🤦🏾‍♀️did the courts look into their schooling back ground.. did they have IEP classes… did they graduate high school, were they ever sent to a place like Georgia Regional….?!?!?? who deemed them mental fit for trial?!?? WHAT IS THIS…?!?!? NO… this is NOT RIGHT!!! And somebody knows that

[@lauralee9694]

@@denisemitchell6034 exactly!

[@vontinamccreight8678]

@@denisemitchell6034Totally agree💯💯

[@connieboyer8600]

@COURTTV These siblings should not be held accountable. Unfortunately, the person who made the executive decision is deceased. The sister who lives out of town is just as guilty because she didn't bother to pull those covers back and investigate their mother's cleanliness or stick around to help clean. It's a very cold world. I think the brother and sister should be dismissed.

[@shirleybryant4766]

As a nurse both siblings seem mentally unstable and the adult services should have stepped in .

[@Friendofstfrank]

That is what I am thinking. Do they have adult protective services in that state.

[@BB-dk3fd]

Eshi they don't look normal 😢

[@Jackie-fy7ke]

Yup was thinking the same

[@jenettejackson8920]

I thought I was the only one! Why are these two special needs people responsible? The sister who doesn’t look special needs testified. I don’t know all the information but something is off here!

[@Dora98_GT86]

Adult services probably did not know about her condition. She needed someone to check on her other than her children.

[@kerrymegie2799]

This woman needed ongoing professional medical care, not untrained family. The visiting nurse should've known that.😢

[@melissajohnson3074]

Unfortunately, this is an actual trend in home care right now

[@grngooseputter]

@@melissajohnson3074even with hospice, and if people are wealthy, in a very expensive care facility, $15 grand a month, the neglect still goes on. It basically up to family to go and make sure things are going correctly.

[@sandraowens4258]

I agree...the visiting nurse needs to be questioned

[@sarahmurphy8030]

​@@sandraowens4258. The daughter cancelled the nurses visits. They knew she was in a terrible state but still neglected her is unimaginable pain.

[@georgettacarvin7593]

I would agree but you don't have to have a medical degree to change your diaper and clean a person

[@SURN2012]

The male defendant definitely look as if he is develomentally delayed. The female defendant does look as if she also has some developmenat issues. Lord have mercy. Both look as if they too need care.

[@debbiedye9542]

They still knew better

[@PassportBrosAndBlondeManWeaves]

@@debbiedye9542 thats not the point and that’s not what the person who commented said. The bottom line is you can’t force people who are incapable of taking care of someone no matter how you feel about it. They should have never been left to take care of the mother. It’s like they did it on purpose and the other sibling who didn’t live in the house knew this was going on!

[@silversmoke6]

​@@debbiedye9542 that's besides the point. The fact is the couldn't DO better. It's difficult enough for fully functional adults to be carers for an ill family member - even with the right supports. This woman should never have been allowed to leave hospital without a full assessment of care needs and the ability of the family members to fulfil them.

[@lshepherd6137]

developmentally delayed

[@PurpelDewdrop]

Some people replying here forget or did't know that the father was the only person able to decide to take her home. Without clear proof of ongoing neglect, on one could override his decision. Neglect is difficult to prove with someone seeing them regularly or medical professionals seeing her. I saw one photo of the mother in younger years. She, too, appeared slightly developmentally delayed. Which might explain a stay at home mom, with only three kids, not keeping the house clean. Whth the father was a police officer, you would think he would insist upon having a clean house , if only out of the appearance of having an upstanding family.

[@Indiartworks]

I cannot even imagine the pain, horror, humiliation, suffering, and absolutely devastation this poor Mother went through before her death.

[@emilynarb3749]

💯 😩

[@hennesseyme9112]

They didn't have enough support.

[@justlindalol]

This poor woman. Omg this is so sad. Not a way I would want to be at the end of my life. RIP

[@Adalgisaction]

It Is not imaginable

[@georgiacunningham6883]

Yes

[@fearyah4life]

The son and daughter look like they can't even take care of themselves, the state should be sued for putting the mother in their custody if you ask me 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@Kimberlyn1323]

Remember the father was there also. He didn’t die until after the mom passed.

[@Mayadivine80]

Can someone fill me in please? Did they intentionally hurt her or is this neglect? Thanks!

[@jaj4706]

⁠@@Kimberlyn1323ok so once dad died then adult care for the mom and siblings … that only makes sense

[@jeralenebirch]

So true. Prayers 💕✌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿

[@KimKendle]

Also the dad refused help saying we will take care of her..

[@dianajiminez4897]

A mother can take care of her husband and 3 kids but not one can take care of her sadness

[@PassportBrosAndBlondeManWeaves]

Which is why I don’t blame a lot of women for not wanting to marry nor have kids now a days…

[@TruthBeTold87]

Most women give, give and give and get nothing in return. It's bad.

[@giorvannal4088]

HELLO :(

[@JoeBikeyFlare99xX]

@@PassportBrosAndBlondeManWeaves Exactly! I certainly don't treat my mother like this and even as an adult I still live with her and go out of my way to work and take care of the home! Women get absolutely no respect or appreciation except for 1 measley day of the year then it's back to treating Moms and women in general like ishh! And heaven forbid someone steps up and says anything about it.....smh😤😓

[@gerriwetherhold6369]

What I find hard to believe is that there were Nurse Practicioners that came to the house to tend to this poor woman. How could this abuse be overlooked? This is outrageous!!!!- Both of these individuals do not seem to be fully alert.

[@Tweettwish]

It says the neglect took place between June and August. A visit was supposed to happen in June and the daughter cancelled it

[@vjc1902]

Maybe she didn't qualify for In-Home Care or were the kids getting money from the state or county for being her so-called caregiver.

[@Tweettwish]

@@vjc1902 in another video they state the neglect took place between June-Aug and that a nurse came out in April and was scheduled to return in June but the appointment was cancelled by the daughter

[@tldrnkh2o2]

They are totally alert. And freaking stupid

[@cmp7007]

Did you hear the NP say when she went there, she just went went straight to the back bedroom? You mean to tell me you didn't see the mess, let alone smell it?

[@MoyQuoy]

I’m surprised these siblings were found to be competent to stand trial. Neither one seems alert

[@cm1642]

It's obvious they are not competent. What I want to know is why this mother was left in their care. This task was clearly over their ability. She fell through the cracks big time.

[@cherylpgh9155]

@@cm1642This is truly the central question. These two seem truly incompetent.

[@nancyalexander780]

IF THEY WEREN'T COMPETENT THEY WOULDN'T BE ON TRIAL! THEY'RE JUST EVIL!

[@christinebrument6851]

Especially the man he seems mentally challenged

[@thespicychickennugget]

The victim's husband was a retired police officer with the final say on family matters. The victim never worked. The husband said she was going home to be cared for after her first stroke. These 2 were not capable of caring for their mother. The husband passed away before charges were filed.

[@pollyannaprinciple5860]

Is the legal system simply looking to hold someone responsible? Karen and Michael should not be on trial. They should be receiving support services. Seems unbelievable that a court would try these two people for murder when they look like they need care themselves.

[@shirleyramson7730]

Amen 🙏❤️🙏

[@sonyalynn4407]

Lord yes I wish it was something I could do they may not get visitors or money put on their books this is so heartbreaking even though they are adults I can see it's something wrong and I'm sure they done so much over the years taking from their own life to help their mother after the father passed the mother should have been taken to a facility the whole nurse and her doctors and the other sister Sonya should have her health was in bad shape long bef

[@CLSmithSween]

I feel so sorry for this entire family. There is something that lurks deep in their family that caused this. I’m so sorry for their mother and them. Honestly.

[@bg5097]

Agreed. The defendants seem mentally challenged which makes this case odd.

[@CLSmithSween]

@@bg5097I honestly don’t know if I think that they should have convicted them. I think they should have gone to a permanent assisted living facility on probation where they would be medicated and working a job (a menial one). They need community, consequences they can understand, and activities that appropriately match their intellectual and physical abilities. That’s all I got. This should NOT have been a jury trial. At all! They clearly are not emotionally or intellectually capable of understanding what’s happening. This is the problem with our legal and mental health systems.

[@pisceslove5075]

They look like they were not mentally to take care of their mother. So why did the father gave them that burden?You have to be mentally stable to take care of a sick person.

[@cherylpgh9155]

Really interested in the back story of this family and why they were so isolated from others. I have a feeling with this level of dysfunction there is a generational story of neglect and trauma. This poor woman. Unimaginable.

[@rochelleemmanuel6041]

Yessss !!!

[@sandraowens4258]

Me too

[@Rose-yd2pb]

Maybe incest..they don’t look right

[@venusventura9548]

Yeah on the kids...I bet you this is a house of horrors.. No way, this mom raised these kids within the normal.. Where is Dad, EMT mentioned him, why isn't he arrested.. And the sister, because this didn't just start, this is a long time of neglect.. So sad...

[@Rose-yd2pb]

Dad dies 3 months after the mom

[@k.v.fernandez9099]

The sister who moved away should also be held accountable. She came she saw she left her medically declining PARENTS with 2 mentally challenged adults.

[@cfp11]

Correct!

[@SuperPreciousa]

I agree

[@Robinnae]

Absolutely I agree💯

[@TerryRichardson-r9y]

and the sad part she knew they were not mentally stable to take care of their mom..

[@YvonneWard-c2g]

Yes she ought to be held accountable for her mom's death some how. 😢

[@cherylpgh9155]

These sibs don’t appear to be able to care for themselves. How did they end up caring for their mother? How did it get this far with no one seriously checking on this woman. This is hideous.

[@janiceschweibenz7764]

Yes, they have challenges of their own.😭

[@JSKZG]

I think the father was alive until right before or after the mom passed. I totally agree with you.

[@kimkeller2983]

The real kicker is that the middle sister seems to be the only one that would have been capable of taking care of their mother. She said in her own testimony that the living conditions were the same for as long as she could remember. She also stated that when she would visit(which wasn’t very often) she wouldn’t stay in the house, but she would stay in a hotel. It’s apparent that these two believed that their living conditions were normal.

[@alicebas377]

the whole family fell through the cracks....home visits q 3 months? ...i worked in long term care/hospice for over 50 years and so many families have no clue.... social worker at nursing home and team that did home eval prior to discharge from that facility need to be looked at also... HUGE FAIL all around... so glad i am not in a back woods state like tennessee

[@kimkeller2983]

@@alicebas377 Exactly, and they said that the father had kidney issues and he was on dialysis….what did they really think that they could do for her. I’m confused because if he was a veteran and a retired police officer, I know that he had health insurance, why did they not use it 🤷🏽‍♀️…..so many questions and so little answers 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@adriansmith1098]

They both look somewhat developmentally delayed

[@Catchmyvib2]

It’s for show they just don’t have acces to crack in jail

[@mrs.b6545]

Exactly!! I'm wondering what everyone else is looking at clearly something is a miss

[@mrs.b6545]

@Catchmyvib2 It's not a show 😒 and I can tell you don't know anybody in prison. You can get any drug you want there. 😏

[@wandastokes9891]

not understanding why their going through this

[@vjc1902]

@@adriansmith1098 what somebody looks like is irrelevant, it's about what is proven.

[@redmoss24]

Social and medical services failed this patient and family. This patient should have never been left in the care of these people.

[@cynthiaowens6301]

I also wonder about the role their father played in all of it.

[@vjc1902]

@@redmoss24 how would anybody know what goes on behind closed doors.

[@Deethehiddengem]

@@cynthiaowens6301Agree I don’t think he sought help and insisted his children who weren’t capable take care of her

[@melissajohnson3074]

I really think they (father, son or daughter) didn't have a full understanding of what was going on. As unbelievable as it may seem, I don't any of them had the capacity for concise decision making. I feel there is more to the story that is left out, that we are not privy too as far as this goes. That why this is not making sense. As a nurse with home care experience.... there are far too many questions left unanswered

[@chabela1944]

Did the mother not qualify for a Long Term Care/ Extended Care Facility? It seems to me her condition was much too advanced for home care.

[@potheadzndrama267]

This is awful but her kids don’t seem to be all there in the head. I wish they would show the entire trial. I hate watching only bits & pieces cause we don’t get the full picture

[@captainofmysoul6525]

Agree with you.

[@cynthiaowens6301]

I agree.

[@karimahoney5708]

Does anyone know why they do this? I want to watch the WHOLE trial. Maybe it’s just too graphic?😢

[@azhaircountess9798]

Yes! I would really love to hear the younger sisters testimony.

[@MyMagpie]

Me too!

[@lauracampbell3685]

The sister should’ve called social services over there to do a welfare check on her mama

[@hekeepsblessingme1312]

They should not be on trial for murder.

[@debfletcherwins6488]

Ikr

[@dawnofpearl4457]

I Promise you, There are 1000's of elderly parents and relatives living like this! I bet every dolla I GoT!!!!

[@Deelifull]

Some are living in nightmare nursing homes too, so you'd be a millionaire. Don't get sick.

[@prosperity-grace-alllovereen]

home care agency should be liable

[@sandraowens4258]

To some degree

[@simplym3_2]

I agree!

[@SanctifiedLady]

I haven’t heard of mention of any home care at all. It was only the 3 of them letting her rot in bed.

[@lovetohuntlovetohunt6241]

I can't believe they're 43 & 49 years old. They sure don't look it This case is sad all the way around😢

[@potheadzndrama267]

I agree. They look like something is wrong with them too

[@annetteserna9513]

I can't tell which one is the brother and which one is the sister

[@potheadzndrama267]

@@annetteserna9513 it’s not difficult to tell the two apart

[@vjc1902]

​@@annetteserna9513was that an attempt at humor?

[@ladonnacoleman5046]

They we're too damn ole for neglect 😱& tha husband Mrs Murry gonna get'm all 😠 😡

[@Luckimee]

You can look at them and see something is off

[@denben8530]

defense stradegy i feel in my book and since we only get to see bits and pieces of this trial we cant get the full pic. was it brought out in trial their mental capacity i have not seen anything on that yet. i hate when they dont play the whole trial

[@christinakaur8766]

I'm not excusing what they did, but whoever thought those two were capable of taking care of an extremely ill and vulnerable person is responsible too. I feel the siblings knew right from wrong, but they're in their 40s and appear to barely be able to care for themselves, like they have developmental disabilities or something. They should not have been in charge of their mother's care. The sister saying the house was always filthy should have been enough to put the mother in care or remove the siblings from the home.

[@Elisa-Winstonbunbun]

Well said

[@sherrylang2845]

@@christinakaur8766 I agree the sister that was testifying should have been more concerned about the family wellbeing! Those two on trial look to need care as well! That sister that didn’t bother to look at more than just her mom head and neck; neglected her mother as well!

[@mumsiemumsie5685]

Sad case, I agree it looks as though both children have some mental problems. Why didn’t she qualify for home health?

[@AwildaOcasio]

The father the middle sister all thought and the rest of them all thought they can take care of their mom.

[@ChiChiGlamShop]

These two are clearly slow, mom should’ve never been left with them

[@iriswilliams2266]

YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR SON, CLEANING THE PERSONAL PARTS OF YOUR BODY, HUSBAND YES, DAUGHTER, IF YOU TRUST HER YES, BUT YOUR SON, NO!!!!!!!! ABSOULTELY NO!!!

[@Mona-q1g]

@iriswilliams2266 My thoughts exactly!

[@msann1026]

@iriswilliams2266 if all you have is your son. You have to take care of her. Sad but true.

[@BookishDark]

If you’re not able to care for yourself, you take what you can get. My mother cared for her father-in-law, my paternal grandfather, when he was dying from prostate cancer. She said he was so embarrassed he cried. Then she cried because he did. You do what you have to do.

[@GINA-pw3ld]

The adult male child is showing clear signs of autism. The adult female is masking but also very evident that both of these adults are not capable of taking care of anyone. Mrs. Murray should have had a caretaker or something and the husband? What about him 67 isn’t that old. How old was he? And is he mentally alert? What happened to the adult agency that was in the picture at some point? Did they just vanish? Why are these two autistic adults being held responsible. They look like they’ve been abused and tortured. Look how much weight he lossed and look at daughters eye. Not the same as early mugshots. So what’s really going on here. How simple are the minds of people? Almost every comment is completely ignorant and plain wrong. The wrong people are being held accountable here. May Mrs Murray R.I.P. and may this crooked system be judged by the real judge. Praying for these adults ❤ If I’m wrong about them then Lord show me. But what I’m seeing and what I’m feeling is two people being wrongly accused.

[@The.Dopest.Ethiopian]

Amen!

[@kdsrim]

I agree

[@chrisblevins5143]

Agree.

[@Deethehiddengem]

I agree that son is definitely showing signs of autism. Maybe the daughter too. I don’t think they should’ve been charged. It’s the dad’s fault but he’s dead so they can’t charge him.

[@lolaw1953]

I agree 💯

[@aseyoga]

As a psychologist, it interesting to see how everyone is overlooking the elephant in the room. People that needed care was responsible for someone needing care. Its obvious.

[@Dustandfuzz]

We don’t know that. They wouldn’t stand trial if deemed incompetent.

[@Deelifull]

@@Dustandfuzz .. you're delusional if you think a prosecutor won't charge these two mentally challenged adults, that never moved out of their parents home at 43 and 49 years old. Heck, it's easier for the state to throw them in JAIL then an over-crowded mental facility. T-H-I-N-K. There's no compassion .. obviously.

[@Luckimee]

Its bad when you have a Dr crying on the stand. That poor woman

[@VirgoGoddessXxo]

The adult children seem slow, they seem off smh

[@babyofmyfamily]

They definitely are. I work with adults and children with Developmental Disabilities and these adults are for sure Autistic or on the Spectrum with delayed Disabilities 😢!!! I fault the husband, the other children or any other family members with sense who saw this poor lady 😭. She's definitely a victim of neglect and several with sense failed her and oh my gosh this is heartbreaking!!

[@Jan88755]

It a show for the jury , their lawyers never mention that

[@SMMCFAR83]

They can’t be that slow the daughter called and canceled several appointments which should’ve been a sign for them to investigate . This is just sad

[@babyofmyfamily]

@@SMMCFAR83 True, she may not be as slow but I have several clients who is on the SPECTRUM that live on their own and some even work; but I assign case managers or what we call at my facility, MENTAL HEALTH TECHNICIANS who is certified to handle them overall and some has to checked on daily, every 2 days or some weekly. But the son, he is for sure Autistic. But nothing excuses this crime I just feel several people let this poor victim down including the retired cop husband and other adult children who seems normal. And any other nurses, social workers or anybody who visited this home. This wasn't sudden it happened over a prolonged period of time 😪!!!

[@SMMCFAR83]

@@babyofmyfamily I agree as I watched more the first time I saw any remorse or sadness is when the other sister was on the stand… the brother for sure has issues… I’m more mad at the other sister now for not taking over … its hard to believe she didn’t know her moms condition with the odor that was present… this whole thing makes me sooooo mad I could never live with myself knowing I failed my mom like this

[@magdonovan8506]

This is heartbreaking to watch. These poor people were forgotten by the system. I'm actually disgusted by the oldest sibling who turned a blind eye and allowed her two siblings through this while staying in a hotel while visiting. This whole case is extremely sad. God help them . They shouldn't be on trial here .they clearly need help ,support and love. Everyone was failed . God rest Sheila Murray and God love those two siblings. Shame on the practice nurses and Shame most of all on that older sister who chose to turn a blind eye when her brother and sister were clearly not coping.

[@Deethehiddengem]

I disagree about the other daughter. I think it was a toxic house and she got out as soon as she could and make a life for herself. How can you blame her for staying in a hotel? It was probably a disgusting smelly dirty house. She expressed that she disagreed with the decision of them taking care of her but she had no power. What was she supposed to do? The father made the decisions and he is ultimately responsible. The two adult children obviously have mental disabilities.

[@feliciaritter1092]

Agreed. Let real killers go but go after people who don't seem to understand differently. 😢

[@feliciaritter1092]

​@@Deethehiddengem that's the point. Father made decisions.. he should be held responsible but obviously can't since his death, unclear why these "kids mentally" are being charged. They done have a clue. System has failed.

[@dionnefields1457]

She not the older child she’s the middle child

[@denben8530]

@@Deethehiddengem but to only see your mothers head and nothig else shows me she didnt care about her mother i dont think she hugged her helped feed her etc. i dont get that part and if she knew they couldnt care for her she should have sough out help she was lazy and didnt do the research and looking into services etc. i did it i had to look at all kind of things to help my parents get into a nursing home because their health issues were to sever t o be taken care of at home I went every week to the nh made sure theywer getting what they needed and that stafff was treating them well. So many serives out there but you have to be your parents advocate and clearly none of then did anything to look for help no excuses for this kind of neglect EVEr i moved heaven and earth to ake sure i got the proper care for my loving parents who took care of me and it was my turn to show my love and appreciation for all they did for me growing up.

[@AngieDial-oh9xr]

The worst thing about this case is so far besides the siblings. As I understand a nurse practitioner was visiting up until two weeks prior? There is no way this nurse couldn’t have seen the injury to her foot and the decubitus on her back ! Decubitus ulcers don’t happen within weeks, this nurse should be evaluated from her license board. As a nurse I’ve have done home health . Not sure why this patient didn’t qualify for a home health aid for basic living such as bathing and hygiene?

[@melissajohnson3074]

Once she had several wounds, she should have been hospitalized, treated with IV antibiotics, hydration and nutrition should have been assesses.... who was doing the wound care.... these children? Nah..... again wayyyy too many questions. Home care can't handle that

[@victoriabrown9358]

Unless it was offered and refused, but then it should have been charted and reported 😮

[@jeanetteray152]

The system is failing again. How are these two held responsible when they are developmentally delayed. Please somebody explain this to me. Am I missing something?

[@danielleh639]

I don't understand how this happened. My mother and I took care of my brother u til his death. My husband and I took care of my father in law until his death. I took care of my husband until his death then I took care of my mom u til her death. It is an honor to care for the ones you love. It's hard work. Love and compassion you need and common sense. You only have to think would you like to be treated that way. I remember sleep I g on the couch next to the hospital bed so my mom and I could hold hands while she slept.

[@J-ellO]

Bless you,❤

[@rochelleemmanuel6041]

Blessings 🙌🏽

[@Rolliej1996]

❤

[@AngeleyesLinda777]

What's terrible is their father was alive when this all happened and his wife, their mom died. Why are these adult kids being blamed. So wrong. Both look distraught and mentally not there. The son looks ill from being in jail, very thin and sick looking. The state is horrible to lay blame on kids when dad didn't put her in care.

[@rhanBo]

Agreed

[@yolandaburnett6053]

@AngeleyesLinda777 , the father died before his wife. My Concern is the other sister didn't want responsibility of her mother or siblings. She lying about she didn't smell the odor in the home.

[@AngeleyesLinda777]

@@yolandaburnett6053 Yeah, the whole things fishy

[@shayrobin145]

This woman had a whole husband at home with her who was working as a security guard and retired police officer. He neglected his wife and was the head of his household. Why are their children to blame for her death?

[@Friendofstfrank]

Because he is dead too?

[@shayrobin145]

@@Friendofstfrank He opened the door for ems so he wasn’t dead at that point 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@commoncore49]

I can’t get over the oldest daughter being removed from the reality of what we’re hearing and yet she actually saw what was happening to her own mother! I blame her the most because she had the wherewithal and ability to call for regardless of what the father said because she knew better. She was ashamed and instead of being a conduit for help she became the problem. I don’t see how she sleeps at night!

[@cfp11]

Amen

[@SanctifiedLady]

Middle sister

[@teamiller1751]

Exactly..she's a content creator, first lady of her husbands church, on FB asking people to come out and support community activities and help find a missing child....yet she basically disregarded her own family needs ..so sad...she has no empathy ....really threw her entire family away and ignored her family needs

[@Doobiepuu]

God bless this doctor....her heart broke for this poor lady that was neglected beyond belief.

[@bearlh40]

Trauma surgeon gave excellent, thorough and understandable testimony.

[@metwaiosia6696]

She's good in talking but she never done anything to help het.

[@jazzyjay56able]

This is heartbreaking! Whether or not there was any one else capable of providing specialized treatment and care for my mother, there is absolutely, unequivocally, no way I would have been able to watch my Mother lay in filth, squalor, pain, and misery without doing everything humanly possible to provide the help and assistance needed and required to make her life comfortable and livable. A lot of people, family and professionals dropped the ball on this one. I thought I wanted to see the visual evidence presented, but just hearing this case audibly brings me to tears. How could you do this to your Mom? 😢😢😢😢😢

[@SanctifiedLady]

That daughter that lived away saw EVERYTHING!! Smelled everything and lie with a straight face.

[@CorinnaDonner-f7l]

Agreed! I couldn’t believe she said she only saw her mothers face . Because her mother was covered up in a blanket . None of this makes sense !

[@maudewhite343]

I don’t think these adult children were capable of taking care of her. I agree adult protective services, social services, failed this lady. Plus we do not know the whole story. I pray as sad as it is her children are found not guilty. The son does not look like a responsible adult though no fault of his.

[@khadijahhaynes1492]

This is absolutely correct. I’m praying that they get found not guilty and released, get the psychological assistance that they needed as children. This really is a sad case. I cannot give the oldest sister a pass, who knows her family better than all of us. I’m praying for all of them, they have no idea what’s happening to them.

[@maudewhite343]

@@khadijahhaynes1492 my husband says if he was on that jury he would say NOT GUILTY. The mother her self may have been stubborn and refused care. Most humans in this situation end up not getting the care they need due to being uncooperative. Our whole system needs to be looked at. The system checked on her every three months? That alone is a red flag. What they are not saying is they would have taken her social security and probably the house for her stay in the nursing home. The family probably needed that income. The adult children do not look like they could get employment let alone take care of her. It’s just sad all the way around. We all let that ball drop.

[@sandy30236]

I wonder if they sought help from the government. I know it’s hard to get help. I’m sure mountains of paperwork and red tape. It’s difficult to be a caregiver especially for someone who is uncooperative. I don’t know the backstory but just wondering about the husband and other sibling and family members. Where were they?

[@maudewhite343]

@@sandy30236 I agree. This situation has many rabbit holes. It was a horrible way for this poor lady to die. The system needs someone to blame. They need to be looking at all sides. I am so glad this poor lady is free from what must have been horrible pain and discomfort. I pray her and her husband are at peace. When I look at their children in the court room I feel so sorry for them. They were her babies. They look lost. Hurting them will not bring justice. What will bring justice is to look at how the system failed her.

[@lolaw1953]

@@maudewhite343 I agree they are pitiful. This is just sad. I hope they area found not guilty. I don’t believe they will understand what’s going on if they get life in prison

[@thetenthltr]

1. Have the defendants' cognitive abilities been assessed? 2. Did they ever have visitors in the home? This is heartbreaking!

[@GINA-pw3ld]

These adults are clearly not stable and should not be held responsible for caring for anybody.

[@cynthiaowens6301]

Great points. I was wondering about that, too, re assessments.

[@iveliserojas612]

​​@@GINA-pw3ld so what saying because they not stable the should be found not guilty are u for real I'm hello sister looks alert brother probnot as much as her but she so u sound dum.

[@thespicychickennugget]

The victim's husband was a retired police officer with the final say on family matters. The victim never worked. The husband said she was going home to be cared for after her first stroke. These 2 were not capable of caring for their mother. The husband passed away before charges were filed.

[@omadjourney]

I honestly think they are not ok upstairs and this shouldn't have been their responsibility, the ones who left to get married , husband and nurses should have been been able to make decisions instead of lumping such a responsibility to these two who look like they need an evaluation.

[@Anabui6462]

Even though the father is deceased what was his duty to his wife? Did he stand by too. This case is a horrible case of what happens to the vulnerable.

[@vjc1902]

I believe his health was deteriorating as well

[@Indiartworks]

He was also in extremely poor health.....unable to care for himself, or her.

[@Anabui6462]

@vjc1902 That makes the situation even worse because the state should have intervened on both their behalf. Both were probably on social security or some other intervention for people with disabilities or elder care.

[@riseagain9677]

Yes, what happened to marriage vows (stand by in sickness and in health)? Why are these 2 kids solely responsible. That’s so weird..

[@vjc1902]

@@riseagain9677 It's weird that they were that age living at home ,so why not take Care of their parents?

[@cm1642]

Why are these people on trial? They clearly dont know whats going on and should never have been left to care for this person.

[@inannashu689]

Yes they do,they are competent to stand trial and that is why the daughter was crying and the son trying to hide his face. They literally starved this woman to death while she suffered in pain that we can not imagine, unable to even communicate that she was in pain. These people are demons,both of them.

[@nicolehaw1088]

@@inannashu689they seem super delayed to me

[@piva1358]

How can you tell??? That is the first thing they do at arraignment. If they were incapable their lawyer would have used it

[@thespicychickennugget]

The victim's husband was a retired police officer with the final say on family matters. The victim never worked. The husband said she was going home to be cared for after her first stroke. These 2 were not capable of caring for their mother. The husband passed away before charges were filed.

[@astoldbymichaela6020]

For the daughter to know to call and cancel appointments, shows her awareness and knowledge..if she can do that I’m sure she could call for help

[@kennydix6974]

As a nurse who works in home health. Our first duty is to the pt. If the home was in these horrific conditions, adult CPS should’ve been called immediately. The grown adult kids grew up in filth that’s why the oldest daughter left and never came back. The husband was retired and a military vet. When the nurse came out a social worker consult should have been placed immediately!!!! With a case manager and the social worker working non stop for resources to aide this family. The ball was dropped all the way around.

[@jahneastanfield2662]

The state used these two intellectually challenged adults; to escape neglect charges on behalf of the folliw up care, that accompanied her insurance through the state. Tell that part!!!!!

[@deemix1614]

100%!!! 😢 that's not addressed at all and should have been

[@beezy_216]

Rest in Peace Mrs. Murray - no more suffering.

[@Skee-do]

As a sister to a disabled sibling who assumed guardianship after both parents died and the other sister who had guardianship was neglectful and absent, it is incredibly difficult to care for a dependent who needs to be fed, bathed, diapered daily with NO HELP. This should be a case of a suit against the federal government for not truly having a nursing or skilled care facility program in place that is funded by the federal government and that promises the required care for every aging and disabled person. The federal government should be on trial just as much as these poor, ill equipped family members who HAD NO CHOICE OR HELP!!!!

[@annstoller6614]

The best they could? A washcloth with soap with adult diapers and clean sheets don’t take a fortune of money. To allow your parent to lay in their own feces with bones sticking out of a leg has nothing to do with money. Without money her physical therapy benefits won’t be good enough, without money no care is stellar, however thousands of people get sponge baths daily, have their adult diapers changed and are moved around to prevent the skin from breaking down to bone and infected ulcers. This family did not do the bare necessities of human decency, not because they don’t have the funds. They had her in layers of urine and feces, the worst that anybody has seen.

[@cynic256]

dude, they could have just used a wet paper towel and laid her down on a grocery bag and it would have been better than what they provided for her. these people are absolute monsters. i genuinely cannot fathom doing this to my mother.

[@GanGster_Gato]

💯!

[@Christine-dz6wh]

That is just horrific, you are 💯. 😢

[@jeanlynch16]

My mom was never dirty

[@jeanlynch16]

Wtf is wrong with the son?

[@deelewittit5261]

I believe the sister that lived out of state should have fought her father through the Court system to be her mother's caregiver.

[@CaseyLhasas]

I agree and coming every fortnight to a house that she said was dirty and unkempt and never removing her Mothers bed sheet to check her state? That is unbelievable. If you know that your siblings can’t look after themselves why do you think they can cope with a bed bound patient?? Also health services turned a blind eye!!! Disgraceful and so sad

[@deelewittit5261]

@@CaseyLhasas 100%!!! This poor woman was failed at every turn. Absolutely disgusting, as well as inexcusable.

[@resourceful16]

Why would she? She clearly didn’t want to do the job either.

[@deelewittit5261]

@@resourceful16 Well...there is that.

[@nytianikole8957]

If she cared, she would have.

[@trishastargirl]

There's something wrong with the whole family. Even the daughter who didn't live there. She saw the conditions under which her mom existed. Even if the father was calling the shots, it was obvious that he wasn't capable of making sound decisions about his wife's care. 🤔 There are so many questions to be asked. How did her ankle get broken when she's been bedridden for a very long time? Was there some kind of "Misery" re-enactment? Was someone Annie? I'm not joking, as this lady was tortured, if only by neglect: No food, no hygiene upkeep, suspicious injuries, etc. What kind of relationship was there between the children and the mother when the kids were 2 - 21? They are both definitely mentally challenged in some way......but.......the daughter is cognizant enough to be affected by some of the autopsy pictures. Even if she's doing it for the camera. How can she be so affected, driven to tears by something that she saw every day, but didn't seek help. They knew enough to keep themselves nourished. They took baths, right? How did they pay their bills? Why didn't the other daughter seek adult protection services? The whole family is off.

[@teamiller1751]

I totally agree...the middle daughter just didn't care and left her mother to rot.. she saw the living conditions of her family.. her husband is a pastor and she's a first lady n content creator asking for people's support for church activities and community stuff and never asked for help for her parent ..this is soo sad

[@trishastargirl]

@teamiller1751 Sad, but it looks like that's what happened. There is no way that I could go visit my mom, see her in that state and not bring her to where I lived. If hubby didn't like it, then he'd have to go. I took care of my mother for almost 20 years. I miss her daily. 😢

[@kmduarte2005]

I was the primary caregiver for 15+ years to my mom, who was awful to me my entire life, but I busted my back making sure she had everything she needed and wanted. I can’t imagine doing this to another human being - not even a fraction of it. I’m sick to my stomach just hearing it. 😔

[@PassportBrosAndBlondeManWeaves]

Not sure about busting my back but I wouldn’t have neglected them either because nothing good comes from that. God has the last word and two many ppl want to be evil without consequences. There are some horrible parents out there who have either abused their children or allowed someone else to do so.

[@LauraJReicher]

I can’t stand to see food on my ill mother’s face. I certainly could not let any filth near her. My mom is dying and I face problems everyday. Help is available, all you have to do is seek help out. People and organizations are out there including churches and many other things. Hospice workers are saints and there to help anyone who needs it. I’m horrified by this. 😢

[@Tweettwish]

Amen sister. Sending loving hugs and prayers to you. I was fortunate enough to take care of my father, mother and mother in-law during their final months, and it was absolutely the honor of my lifetime regardless how difficult it was.

[@LauraJReicher]

@@Tweettwish we took care of my dad 5 years ago. My mother was able to take care of him with our help then and now it’s our turn.

[@Tweettwish]

@@LauraJReicher That’s right. God bless you and your family

[@juneyshu6197]

Blessings, you are angels❤

[@LauraJReicher]

@@juneyshu6197 bless and thank you. Inexperience and lack of knowledge is no excuse for seeing the obvious and not seeking help or guidance. I’m not buying the I didn’t know better excuse from anyone over the age of 10

[@lola1372]

I find the fact these two and the state isn't being held responsible is outrageous!!! Its obvious they all needed care and weren't getting it!!!

[@MyMagpie]

This is THE most polite trial I’ve ever seen …and such a sad, sad, story for the entire family. 😞

[@sammiegalati1990]

If there were regular visiting nurses, this trial is a mockery. Clearly this woman was let down by many, but not sure what we are accomplishing by prosecuting two obviously mentally challenged adults. How can this continue?

[@lexuskomodo3807]

MENTAL ILLNESS IS REAL 💔

[@LauraJReicher]

Everyone who touched this either broke it more or neglected it or both. EVERYONE

[@wrmlm37]

Bear in mind, the husband had the ultimate say.This retired cop, who passed and was married to the victim, was more responsible than ANYONE else. IF a nurse was to visit, as many people have commented on multiple videos, I don't know the exact situation, but nurse, advanced practice nurses, nursing aids, ALL are mandated reporters. IF that healthcare person DID make visits, she needs to lose her license. Also, remember, people aren't going to just show up...they make appointments, unless there was an investigation-who would have started the investigation? If he took her from the nursing home because of money-he couldn't afford either the care, or the loss of her social security...so...the actual guilty/responsible party, died a few months AFTER her. Since we cannot find anything about this on Google, we may never hear what the actual story, chain of events were. We DO know her husband was ambulatory, opened the door for the police, EMT's. Sounds like responsible party is already dead. This feels like it will be overturned on appeal. These 2 belong in a group home environment. Edit: I am curious if these adult children received disability and the family couldn't afford to lose THOSE checks, either. I can't watch without knowing more-too frustrating.

[@PassportBrosAndBlondeManWeaves]

Exactly

[@rhanBo]

Yup

[@keyaunnarobinson4821]

Sometimes as a disabled person you know that family may not really want to keep assisting you. It's self discipline mentally to comprehend it. You cry about your pain. Which others can't see. We learn to cope with it. 😢 I'm sorry that this happened to her. RIH Mrs. Murray

[@Alexandria.Washington]

⁠​⁠These poor siblings were NOT ​​⁠trained home care workers. They were involuntarily trained and educated, mentally incompetent and physically incapable forced family labor workers. They were NOT appropriately vetted to properly care for their mother’s serious health conditions. The father was trying to save money by cutting corners with his beloved wife’s critical medical care needs by forcing his own children to perform unsupervised and untrained duties in which they were highly unqualified for and incapable of. This whole “legal situation” is an unconscionable abuse of power and a deeply flawed unquestioning application of the legal justice system!

[@specialkl4792]

These two don’t look like the sharpest tools in the toolbox!!

[@shantibel]

The suffering of this poor woman is unimaginable. R.I.P.

[@sheryllahlou8836]

Her daughter is crying. I’m a nurse I understand everything this Dr is saying . The horrific abuse is profound . Rotting flesh , starving huge open wounds . And she’s crying . Disgusting

[@GINA-pw3ld]

You’re a nurse? And can’t see that these adults need help themselves? Stop judging. Are you blind?!

[@tldrnkh2o2]

I don't think she's crying. That would insunuate that she has feelings. She does not. Must be allergies.

[@George_Tropicana]

If you truly are a nurse I believe you chose the wrong profession. If you can’t see that her children are cognitively impaired and they themselves needed care and managing, then I believe you lack insight and I wouldn’t trust you to care for anyone.

[@tldrnkh2o2]

@@George_Tropicana I hope we never cross paths then. I might have to save your life one day.

[@tldrnkh2o2]

@@George_Tropicana and princess bag o crap you must be.

[@deenak79]

Her children, while are adults, do appear to be very incompetent. They had no clue how to care for her. Yes, some simple things could have been done, like changing her diaper, but i seriously believe the 2 of them are not competent.

[@Fido-vm9zi]

Obviously not. When can we expect all the caregivers, qualified and credentialed, that allow such things to happen?

[@rovenclark5658]

Listening to this story reminds me of living in the home with my father in-law. After my mother in-law passed away 2011, I took on the responsibility of caring for him. He had incontinent and his room was always smell of urine. I washed and changed his bedding every 2nd or 3rd day. It can be stressful caring for elderly person. At times i had to ask him to shower and change his clothes. When i drove him shopping or medical i always asked him to shower and change his clothed. I did my best for him. He passed away after 2nd fall with a hip replacement 2019 November.

[@LauraJReicher]

Also, my dying mother is named Sheila too. This one cuts me extra deep. This makes the Karen Read case wake us up to all kinds of rampant neglect and broken systems with citizens everyday!!!!!

[@juniemoon1528]

Wait, these two are 49 and 43???? They look like teenagers. WTH happened here? Poor lady! Omg…

[@shimmer8289]

God bless that trauma doctor her last paragraph was impactful along with the meticulous detailing of the numerous issues that may have been rectified had 1 person called ER many months ago.

[@uputaualeaupepe7463]

These 2 Kids are victims too..they were trying their best ,poor Mother should have been staying in the hospital or care facility instead ,do feel so sad & sorry for brother&sister ,sad story 😭💔

[@gerlinewinston8662]

I truly believe the older sister shares part in the negligence of the care of their mother. As often as she visited and the house smelled of urine, the mother was always in bed covered up to her neck, not talking and her health was obviously declining and she did nothing. She should have notified APS (adult protective services), reported the condition of her mother and had her removed from the home where she WAS NOT BEING PROPERLY CARED FOR !!!!!

[@CorinnaDonner-f7l]

I think the same exact way !

[@amandafisher4706]

That's maybe only the second time I've ever seen a doctor cry 💔I'm so sorry you suffered but no more Miss Sheila😔🥺🙏

[@ChristyB-pe2se]

They don’t want to blame the health professionals that should have noticed the care this woman needed!

[@KimberlyCraig60]

Their attorneys should have them deemed insane; nothing else makes sense.

[@Luckimee]

Right? They look so off

[@cynthiaowens6301]

I am wondering if there is some level of retardation in the son and daughter.

[@nancyalexander780]

Some people are just 'evil'.

[@jamilarichardson6393]

@@nancyalexander780they don’t really look evil, they look mentally disabled. Did no social worker ever visit this home?

[@vjc1902]

@@KimberlyCraig60 they're not insane they're incompetent.

[@Godblessuall42]

And the older sister thought they were in over their head. She didnt help because they didnt ask for help. Really? Shame on her when she had ample opportunity to help them. Just set back and watch the situation deteriorate. Shameful.

[@shyne_floetic82501]

My respect, admiratration, love, and prayers 🙏🏼, to the EMT workers, nurses, assistants, and doctors who helped in Mrs. Murray care. They were truly angels in the last hours of Mrs. Murray life. I am so glad they were the last people Mrs. Murray was able to be surrounded by. That she was able to have some type of solace and peace briefly. I'm a glad Mrs. Murray was taken out of their care and I wish them jail and suffering. 🙏🏼

[@qhamanoveve9076]

This is absolutely horrendous. How did her condition get this bad without anybody seeking medical attention for her. I mean this poor woman couldn’t even speak😢😢rest in glory Ms Murray. You are no longer suffering now.❤when the Doctor cried😭😭😭😭😭oh man.

[@scorpichella]

Looking at them both how could anybody think these two could cope with looking after a very sick lady every single day.

[@jujuandwamwams165]

Heartbreaking 💔 to hear about the state the mother was in.

[@tezzard9390]

The daughter canceled the NP visit in June…she had to know they were going to be reported and arrested.

[@amyntazoe9831]

Maybe they couldn't afford it. Nothing is free

[@sanollba]

The older sister should have been charged also. There's no way dhe didn't see signs of abuse, when she visited. This so sad

[@leahmckinney7217]

This is sad for everyone involved. The nurses, doctors, and Protective Services all need to be held accountable. Of course her children must face their consequences, but they need to be evaluated for their mental stability as well. 😢

[@janiceanderson3205]

Its no way these 2 should be on trail for 1ST DEGREE MURDER..YESthe mom was very very neglected BUT so was these 2...How in the world did the Jury sit there and watch these 2 ESPECIALLY the son and come back with a guilty verdict...How did their Lawyer not get their mental evaluation submitted ...The father failed them the sister not in the home failed them the DA failed them THEIR LAWYER MOST OF ALL FAILED THEM and the Jury failed them...If the Judge sentence these siblings to anything more than time served it will be another person that failed these poor people. All those prosecutors care about is another notch in their belt..

[@CaliforniaForever]

The defendants look like they are 12. What is going on!?

[@cherylpgh9155]

I think emotionally they are.

[@hollyallen307]

I honestly wonder if their appearance is on purpose to impose doubt to their competence.

[@JEN-1234]

@@hollyallen307 Agree. I think the attorney's make them look "young, innocent" to display to the jurors they didn't purposely neglect her, just didn't have the "mental capacity" to get help for her

[@TwinBoxerlover]

​@JEN-1234 I don't think dressing them or altering their appearance in a certain way would account for the apparent cognitive impairment of both siblings; especially the brother. I don't think his presentation/ behavior in court is for show. They both seem to be in need of care/assistance 😢. Sad case all around.

[@sshelbz]

@@JEN-1234no, you’re very wrong

[@LuvOnHigh]

Why would the home health nurse not notice this. These two were not healthcare professionals. How often did she get visits ?

[@juneyshu6197]

Plus, did the facility toss her out due to medicare time limits‼ If that state has no medicaid this could happen often.

[@KitsuyuutsuR]

They made a doctor cry… You know, I have medical professionals in my family. My sister has been a nurse practitioner for decades, her late husband was in the medical field, her current boyfriend is a doctor… I myself was a CNA in my younger days. You have to distance yourself from these situations to keep yourself sane. Hell, when the doctor had to come in and tell my sister her husband passed and my sister began to wail with grief (which was out of character for her), the doctor and staff remained stoic as did I. My reasons were different, it was because she needed my strength, not my tears. But medical staff, they’re that way to remain sane. If what they did to that poor woman was so heinous that it made a doctor cry, you KNOW it was beyond comprehension. Do I believe they’re developmentally delayed? No… They’re often coached by their attorneys as to how to dress, how to behave… just so they can appear how they need to in order to get off. It’s the little things you DON’T notice, like the brother face palming then giving his sister that side eyed glance. That was very telling as was the fact that the sister cried when they were describing the mom’s injuries. If she was so delayed, she wouldn’t have been able to comprehend how poor a state her mother was in even after the fact, but apparently she did… and was sorry she was going to rot in prison for it. People think they can get away with elder abuse for one excuse or another, feigning stupidity, lack of help or funds… But there are a ton of resources out there, many of them free. There’s no excuse for what happened here. In this day and age, you don’t get to be in your 40s and not understand that you need to clean up excrement. I’m sure if they had it on themselves that people told them they smelled, especially as children. It’s not as if they didn’t figure out it wasn’t right. And if you see the photo of the mom prior to all this, she didn’t look dirty and unkempt. This was sheer laziness and intentional neglect. That poor woman was robbed of her dignity and tortured. I’m glad they were found guilty. I just hope they pay an appropriate price.

[@Eb_333]

The agony this poor lady had to endure. A shame on everyone involved in this horrible situation.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

Too many ppl are so damn sympathetic with tweedle dee and tweedle dum like they don’t have eyes to see their mother living in filth & covered in wounds

[@lseh]

Where do I find the full day coverage? I'd like to see the cross.

[@Kevssan]

OK, clearly something is wrong with the system here! .....Why is Tracy Romans, who'm is a registerd nurse, not also on trial?! This nurse has failed to report concerns of abusive care, or WORSE! NOT seeing the signs of abusive care!😡😡🤬🤬🤢🤢 ......

[@gloriaf6971]

The mother was surely eligible for medicare or medicaid. She should have been able to have home health care personnel come to her home several times per week to attend to her needs. Why was this service not provided for her?

[@Amanda-cn3pk]

The absolute agony this poor woman suffered is unimaginable 😢

[@gailkelly6154]

Oh that poor woman must have been in so much pain. Not to mention she wasn't eating or drinking. Two siblings and not one could say we.cant do this to our mother. Horrifying it certainly was. Simply horrible. Thank you.

[@Shymeen44]

I can imagine, how many more are suffering this way💔

[@SuzanneStewart-j2e]

Is there a statement that nurse practitioners were visiting the patient at home?

[@commoncore49]

And doctors and nurses saw her condition and didn’t do anything about it! Who’s really at fault here?!

[@Bebedollie]

The truth is no one cared enough not the older daughter who lived some where else not the health care providers and certainly not the two siblings on trial. Thats just not good enough!! Some one needs to be held accountable for what transpired.

[@elenoreatkins6714]

I’m real tired of people referring to these two as kids/children! They’re almost 50 years old!

[@judybrennan7930]

Do they look tht old ??? 😮 my mouth dropped when i found out their age u can see they have some mental disabilities

[@Nubian865]

They were her adult children by definition.Their mental capacity needs to be tested.

[@lisafosc]

This is such injustice to the whole family, Both of these defendants need care themselves, the local authority should be prosecuted not them, their middle sister has all of her faculties and wouldn't stay at her parents home due to the state of the place, she said that she told their father that the mum could move in with her and her husband, but the father refused, she could have made an anonymous phone call, I'm sorry but I feel she should have been held accountable too. This is the only trial I have ever watched and felt that the defendants shouldn't be sat there, let alone convicted of murder.

[@juneyshu6197]

She should havevbeen in a facility in that condition. Not great but much better than this.

[@potheadzndrama267]

Apparently they didnt have the money to cover one

[@lornabow2111]

​@@potheadzndrama267What about Medcaid? Or have the court appoint guardianship and make the decisions for her care. It's quite obvious they were not up to that task.

[@potheadzndrama267]

@@lornabow2111 I agree. I’m not the best to ask about medicate or any other health service like that. I’m not sure what’s available to ppl who can’t afford it. I often wonder why homeless seniors are homeless & not in a place that can care for them so I just assumed they don’t have the money for it. Idk if there’s some kind of state aid for situations like that.

[@jaderichard3167]

@@potheadzndrama267 the middle sister testified that her father was stubborn and he made all the final decisions. She also agreed that they were taught not to question him from a young age. They would have lost there home had he not made the decision to take her from the nursing home after the 20 days.

[@denben8530]

@@potheadzndrama267 there is help out there if you dont have money you try and move heaven and earth to go out and look for it i had to and got mine help for paying for theri nh after their money ran out to pay anymore .Hospice could have been called its not just for the dying. WE HAD hospice and nh and we went every week and took them thing made sure they were taking care of them etc. It can be dolnt but you have to do the work to look for it.