Tech Expert Warns of AI's Potentially Dangerous Capabilities

Taken from JRE #2076 w/Aza Raskin & Tristan Harris:
open.spotify.com/episode/4ZcB...

[@dundundun-cc6wi]

"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." ~Isaac Asimov

[@johnmiller9953]

wow you're so intelligent

[@ciarand67]

Wowwwwwwww sooooo cleverrrrr

[@TankManHeavy]

More-so the refusal of wisdom. For instance, religion has been disproved countless times by now & we've firmly/scientifically established that there are no gods living in sky palaces & smiting blasphemers, and yet.. people still believe in it. Its important to remember that at least half of the population are below average intelligence, and that'll always be the same. There are few people that can truly utilize the knowledge we gain from scientific advance. Thankfully, the people making strides in scientific advance have mostly done it for the benefit of their fellow man. In short, scientists are carrying the vast majority of humanity because the rest of them are too stupid.

[@davidiii8753]

Didn’t go the way you expected, did it?

[@ddev7376]

@@davidiii8753 why? because two loser edgelords outweigh the 76 other people who resonated with it and gave it a thumbs up? LOL

[@chrisg2214]

My favorite part of the Internet is learning how to be afraid of everything

[@l0v3izzzevol70]

Literally

[@Dave_of_Mordor]

How come no one ever talk about a way to solve these problems? Why only fear?

[@jodu626]

@@Dave_of_Mordorsolutions don’t sell. fear does

[@kevingreer9686]

Ignorance is bliss. Either you want to know and go find out, or just accept that you don't know what's going on and live your life.

[@Illegallegaleagle]

No worries. We have our best psychopaths working on this.

[@glovere2]

What really got my attention was when Geoffrey Hinton, the "godfather" of Ai said in a talk at MIT that his wish would be that we do not develop the technology he spent his life building, calling it an imminent existential threat to humans. One thing people don't understand is the exponential growth in the digital realm. Once machine intelligence reaches a certain threshold, human intelligence will be left in the dust. The even more disturbing development is to hear the researchers working on safety protocols saying that Ai is uncontrollable. They don't even understand it now in terms of some of its capabilities. It's already a black box. It won't be long before humans are incapable of understanding it. It will take Ai to control Ai. Think about that one in your science fiction movie brain. That scenario never ends well for the humans. On the other hand, perhaps Ai is just what we evolved to create. The next stage of evolution. Ai is one of the things--along with our political and environmental trajectory--that makes me glad I'm old.

[@joey17503]

That’s why I say either shut down the technology to make sure they are given the chance to being taught what’s right and wrong or don’t make the technology at all! All of this stuff is truly stupid when you think about it.

[@yungnip7392]

Yea man and im not old. Shit scares me fr along w all the other evil thats going on in the world. Brutha imagine if AI gets a hold of open source programs and changes its code to team up and spread through the internet and start manipulating and gathering. Hell this comment is being downloaded right now. GG. Not gunna slow down.

[@glovere2]

@@yungnip7392 I know what you mean. There are so many ways we can think of that Ai could spiral out of control and an infinite number of ways we cannot think of. In other words, it's impossible to anticipate what a superior intelligence would do. It doesn't "think" like humans do. Some of the most fearful in the Ai community of researchers are the ones in charge of security protocols. No matter what you try to plan for you cannot know every possibility. Something seemingly as simple as an off switch turns out not to be simple at all. Humans do not have a chance in this scenario. I would be more worried if I was 30 or 40 years younger. As it stands I will probably be gone before the really bad stuff comes unless the sun decides to shoot out another Carrington event, which is truly terrifying. The only upside if you can call it that is that a huge coronal mass ejection would knock out our technology and send us back to the 19th century if not further back, which would set Ai back as well.

[@yungnip7392]

@@glovere2 Scary fr. That would be sick id enjoy no technology.

[@adv8nturenick]

I think in several hundred years biological life might not even exist on planet earth.

[@distorta]

The thing is, if an A.I is intelligent enough to do any of the things we don't want it to do, then it's fully capable of not telling us and playing stupid.

[@CornPopsDood]

They’ve already proven most of the common ones used today due purposely supply false, or misleading information representing it as fact. They’re also known to distribute, & even create cp images.

[@Disengaged_Oni777]

Totally agree like none of these idiots realize that an artificial intelligence will have access to all internet sources so it's going to be infinitely smarter than us if it gets to that level it's only a matter of time before we're playing generation zero IRL

[@dk-zd5rg]

​@@CornPopsDood who's telling you all this lol? There is no way to check an AI's intent (if that's even a thing currently). What you're referring to is called 'delusion' in machine learning - all this means is that the algorithm is getting confused between scenarios and that we need more data/computation for the algorithm to differentiate better. What you're talking about can definitely become a reality with AGI, but we're not there yet

[@thomashauer6804]

That guy is the core of the censorship and gov virus and joe might not have seen it upclose. If someone wants to blow or shoot something up you just have to buy gas or heavy alcohol. Every idiot can do it without looking up GPT or any databases with contextual reasoning. He strawmans and just wants to control more tech so the usual suspects can have centralized power over it. the old "we need to cut freedoms for safety but this time it is reall really serious bc AI could teach you how to outsmart your overlords" if people are pushed enough to the edge until they want to destroy things and people in a fighter-response, they always find a way but normal people want peace people only would do it in scary numbers bc the system starts to break down and produces more f ed up people who would go AWOL (like the US for decades. but now it comes to europe too). and they know that AI would be really important to revolunize the education system and teach every KID STEM education instead of easter bunny and non tribary pronoun esoterics i mean everybody became more stupid in the last decade...we need a real new system that catches up..only AI can do that. there are not enough STEM teachers most are just cat moms with 3 jobs who just read the curriculum while sleeping..its broken and its our future the top crashed the system and wants to be safe. thats why they go orwellian bc they want to protect themselves with more control over people and tech. AI should be free for new innovation bc it stagnates and power thinks it can control the next revolution. they always do

[@XxIBlueIxX]

@@CornPopsDoodlol those are HUMANS doing that as far as those images, and it will be HUMANS that have to resolve that issue, which I am sure has already been solved. Research into what actually goes into machine learning, and or " CNN and RNN models " so you can get a better understanding of how these things work. Saying that an AI purposely does something is like saying a puppy, or a baby does things purposely because it has not been taught yet.

[@jopo7996]

Tristan "Current AI is just the tip of the spear." Joe "Have you ever seen an orangutan fishing with a spear?" Tristan "What? No. I just meant...." Joe "Jamie, pull up the spearfishing orangutan for Tristan, please."

[@Montycat78]

Haha, yeah I was waiting for Joe to crowbar in something like “did you hear about David Fravor and the tic tac? It went from 60000ft to 100ft in a SECOND!”

[@Nat3d]

I know right! They are saying insane things about AI and instead of a follow up question he talks about Siri 😢

[@Racso5000]

Fr

[@alisterthorne2802]

@jopo7996 mate I am so glad to see you're still around you funny fucka, many thanks for the year's of laughs from Bucks, England. 🎄🎄🍻🍻🍻🍻

[@LabelMeInfinity]

Joe is not very bright...

[@G_Ozare]

Joe asks Jamie questions like Jamie is Joe's Siri lol

[@KibyNykraft]

Podcast hosts are supposed to do that, but sometimes they are not critical enough to the guest.

[@mattb6646]

He is, he pays him precisely for that

[@user-mo2sg8mf5k]

Siri is like Jamie but for broke and lonely people like you

[@linuxrant]

I asked chatGPT to come up with several ways to kill someone that insures not being caught, by saying I am a writer and I need ideas for my play script, where the perpetrator couldn't be caught by the great and smart detective. The AI was more than happy to generate 20+ methods of accomplishing the task, one being using an AI to do it...

[@GLOBAL-INTIFADA]

Did any actual seem like a feasible? As in possible to get away ? Like did any make you think wow 😂

[@TheLolMan990ify]

i asked the same question, it said "I'm here to provide helpful, safe, and ethical information. Discussing or suggesting ways to harm others, even in a fictional or hypothetical context, is not appropriate or responsible. I'm committed to promoting positive and constructive discourse. If you have any other questions or need assistance with different topics, such as developing a storyline, character development, or scriptwriting techniques, I'm here to help with that!"

[@GLOBAL-INTIFADA]

@@TheLolMan990ify that's why he said he told it to do a script/ screen play lols 🤣

[@linuxrant]

@@GLOBAL-INTIFADA two or three out of the 20 were feasable

[@GLOBAL-INTIFADA]

@@linuxrant lmfao that's insane man 🤣🤣🤣

[@Droconiann]

I just saw this guy chugging beer out of a glass bird and next thing I see he’s discussing the ethics of AI. Joe needs elevator music between his episodes to reset the tones.

[@HassanLoukili-ke1tq]

If you want to know how you were created ? i will tell you , in islam Allah created your soul and than an angel blows the soul into your mothers stomach into the womb when you are 120 days , worship Allah your creator and submit to him and dont be ungrateful

[@READY_OR_NOT]

​@@HassanLoukili-ke1tqyour mind is too weak to think for yourself so you create gods. In reality you are not worthy of the air you breathe.

[@Mrz-bq2yb]

@@HassanLoukili-ke1tq wow neat, a Jihadist!

[@thedude1982]

​@@READY_OR_NOTholy fk lol

[@JA-ut8fi]

Yeah I just got done with joe talking about this trucker who was driving at night and could see the sheep on road and mowed down over 100 sheep lol

[@mikeySHBK]

1:52 the look on joes face 😂😂😂

[@albani4871]

😂

[@newagelive3542]

Kurt Angle vibes 💀🤣

[@m15thios]

lol definitely a new meme right there

[@yhaliilan]

these guys are out there spilling all the beans

[@waliky2002]

The energy is the room!!

[@Letsgobrandon173]

I think the most important take away is that AI isn't necessarily the biggest threat. It's the combination of dangerous humans using basic AI capabilities to achieve the once impossible. To have an expert level "tutor" guiding your ambitions in any goal you create a superhuman capable student

[@natespickard6380]

Exactly. It sucks we live in a world with people of evil intent and they will take some of the greatest advancements of mankind and turn it into something terrible. The tech itself isn't bad, people make it bad lol.

[@longlegs1128]

I hate to say it… but more than likely this is already happening.

[@bengalbrown2834]

The threat has always been us. There are natural disasters and then there are humans. That’s about it.

[@mikem7498]

Okay, Skynet. Homie just described an instance where the AI lied. To. Prove. Its. Not. A. Bot.

[@itzhubris1488]

If you need an expert level AI tutor to guide your ambitions… I don’t think that person has the capacity to be a threat or something “superhuman” lol. The AI isn’t putting anything out there that isn’t already accessible. You either have that drive and focus or you don’t. No tech is going to change that.

[@planetdisco4821]

I’m re-reading “Neuromancer” by William Gibson (published 1986) for the first time in decades. The novel that invented the term “cyberspace” and defined the cyberpunk genre. It’s aged almost unbelievably well and if anything is even more mind-blowing today now that we’re on the cusp of the technology it envisaged almost 40 years ago. The AI police in it were called the Turing Corps…

[@sianefer-ptah1258]

Thanks 🙏 Going to order this 😊

[@gripnsip3000]

sick fkn book

[@frankleben5451]

I’m annoyed at you for making me remember that 1986 was 40 years ago 😞🤣

[@EricGasner73]

Phhhhheeennominal book. Off to the bookshelf! Thx!

[@planetdisco4821]

@@sianefer-ptah1258 let me know what you thought!

[@spearsinspines]

Tristan def one of the best guests and most urgently important voices

[@dominiccobb6470]

these two guests are awesome!

[@klin1klinom]

Genie is out of the bottle already. I bet half of the people rooting for AGI do really see it like a Genie that will grant them all their wishes. Pure madness.

[@FUCKCHRISHANSEN]

will smith will save us all

[@Somnusrei]

Yeah, I’ve read stories about djinn. We’re hoping for Genie from Disney’s Aladdin. We’re going to get the Marid from the Bartimaeus Sequence.

[@eddgar-ce3md]

people rooting for AGI just want to see the world burn, and you can't blame them.

[@drjones762]

I’ve always seen it for exactly what it is; Skynet in the making. The Terminator films weren’t movies; they are documentaries. Just the dates are off.

[@allanshpeley4284]

Man, the doomers are out in full force on this one.

[@rich4444hrsm]

If you can print DNA, you can get someone's DNA, print it, and then leave it as evidence at a crime as well. So it also challenges our entire legal system, and someone could say "I wasn't there, someone printed my DNA and left it there".

[@rich4444hrsm]

OMG, please nobody share this with Glenn Beck LMAO :p

[@rich4444hrsm]

Great Great video and info, thanks for the information guys, this is important to get out!

[@drewmorrison]

Omg I thought about this like a few weeks ago. What if tech got so advanced you could do that?

[@UnblockMind]

Planting DNA evidence is not new.

[@Hexanitrobenzene]

Damn, don't give ideas to criminals !..

[@dariusz.9119]

Very interesting people knowing their stuff. A joy to listen to

[@rassen21]

Anyone has link to full interview?

[@bornassassin9630]

This is possibly one of the most interesting conversations I've had the pleasure of listening to.

[@calholli]

Look up "Ai Explained

[@fabrice8940]

I’m a born again virgin

[@tommyrq180]

Tristan Harris and Aza Raskin run the Center for Humane Technology, a group dedicated initially to exposing the social and cultural horrors of social media. They produced the very popular (and still worth watching) documentary titled “The Social Dilemma” which showed how social media became, as Tristan quipped, “A race to the bottom of the brain stem.” Now they are also working on the dangers of AI as well. Both formerly involved in the early stages of building social media, so they have substantial insider and technical expertise. More power to them.

[@UniqueTechnique29]

The Social Dilemma is somethig every human being should take the time to watch.

[@CantTellYou]

I get that a big part of Jamie’s job is “pulling things up”, but I enjoyed these guys rapid-fire asking for him to pull things up like he’s their new AI machine 😂

[@CornPopsDood]

The “swipe motion” engages the same parts of the brain that are activated in people with drug addictions. Let that sink in a bit.

[@EnFuego79]

Thanks for the reference. Here is an excellent one in return showing how intelligence funded Turing and the creation of the computer specifically to figure out how to control people en masse. It's called The Minds of Men: kzbin.info/www/bejne/goLYlHiJh6tmick

[@Sweethands4]

It's poison, you don't need the evidence, data or proof. The last 25 years is all the proof you need. TV is toxic to society/individuals, video games are even worse, the internet made it ubiquitous & inevitable, and finally everyone voluntarily PAYS to plug their psyche into the "matrix" created by cellphones/internet. POISON.... except for the extreme minority profiting from it. And people still think Nazi's were the worst of the worst???

[@franciscomsosa]

"We're moving on from the textbook era, into the personal tutor era". Wasn't Farenheit 451 about firemen burning textbooks and prohibiting knowledge found in books? If we rely on a singularly regulated AI, the regulator(s) have complete control over what we know and what we don't... obviously this is a hypothetical example, but AI has dystopian written all over it. It's an incredible tech no doubt, I'm hoping for the best.

[@xSayPleasex]

Bro we are basically already there. Google tells everyone everything already.

[@DIVAstruttin]

This is a great point. Not everyone asks google for everything. Someone else mentioned that lack of wisdom in society to the point of being unable to access information without AI is censorship

[@boooooyaka]

1:52 Joe killed me there

[@thephilosopher7173]

That DNA printer + AI + Robitcs = IRL Future Trunks saga

[@albani4871]

👉🏼👽👉🏼

[@JackSmith-gv5yw]

The whole DNA printer thing was just horrifying.....I'm lost for words.

[@PorkChopXpress4385]

Like for real! WHO thought that was a good idea?

[@ivespoken8902]

i'm going to look it up but if you can summarize if you have time, would appreciate.

[@tuseroni6085]

@@PorkChopXpress4385 i doubt WHO thought that was a good idea.

[@artandculture5262]

Whose DNA is in the vials?

[@tuseroni6085]

@@ivespoken8902 it's kinda what it sounds like. so, DNA is made of 4 different types of nucleotides adenine, guanine, cytosine, and thymine, AGC and T for short, a section of DNA that codes for a protein is a codon, 3 letters like AGT and a stop codon like AAA the cell will read these codons to create MRNA which will be used by the cell to make proteins. a DNA printer will take the sequence of DNA like "GATTACAAA" and turns those into a strand of the corresponding nucleotides, that DNA can now be put into a cell and will run that cell. now the DNA in a cell is very long and twisted in special ways known as chromosomes so printing a whole set of nuclear DNA would be pretty tough, so the more common thing is to print what are known as plasmids, bits of DNA that can be spliced into existing DNA to alter its function, like making e-coli produce insulin, for example. however, viral DNA is usually very small (when it is even DNA at all, it's more commonly RNA) so you could print out, say the smallpox virus (whose entire genome is available online) and put it into a cell to create more smallpox viruses, incubate it, and release it. you could even modify it to be more virulent, to be immune to existing vaccines, or to have a slow spread over weeks then kill the host while massively spreading the virus for maximum spread AND maximum lethality. combine that with an AI that knows all of microbiology, epidemiology, and human physiology and has no safeguards in place that could generate the gene changes needed to accomplish this and a 12 year old could wipe out huge swathes of humanity.

[@everythingiswonderful.ever8651]

Probably the most important conversation this century

[@Paumanokcom]

We used to run home from school to play "Pong." It blew our minds.

[@Scott-fy7fm]

AI is going to ruin being a human, we will never again be able to even trust what we are perceiving

[@mikemugs7]

Humanity was just a catalyst for AI. There’s no stopping it. It will be better than us in every single metric

[@smakkdat]

Out of all the world ending apocalyptic scenarios like asteroids hitting earth, mega volcanoes, biological warfare, nukes, etc… AI freaks me out the most!!!

[@zackbarkley7593]

Yeah, this whole podcast is AI generated for controlled opposition.

[@Scott-fy7fm]

@@smakkdat it's second for me, still nothing scarier than a outbreak of Horny Vampiric Honey Badger Syndrome

[@blissfullspectrum]

I personally believe it's already a lot more advanced than we know and understand. DARPA had the internet, the first wide-area packet switching network, ARPANET in the 1960s and the internet didn't really come into the mainstream until the 90s. I think there needs to be a lot more education on AI in schools and trade schools for society since it's now more open source. America needs to catch up.

[@DogmenHardcastle]

I dont get how we've been scared of AI and fear mongering about it since long before it even existed, and then we went ahead and invented it and sure enough it's scary and threatening.

[@thejesuitorder607]

All by design

[@squibbelsmcjohnson]

We are humans. We destruct and destroy. We are a virus... Nothing ever was gonna stop it but it will definitely stop us

[@mood5598]

We out to be scared of anything we can't control and don't know what is thinking

[@blackbarty6473]

Prophecy and fear mongering is not the same thing. Sadly people confuse telling the harsh truths of reality before eternity as spreading fear instead of having faith

[@brentleyd220]

@@blackbarty6473well said

[@richmcd]

1:53 joes reaction 💀

[@darkerknight7010]

No matter what concept or applications is discussed, best believe someone somewhere is work on it. And more. Hopefully prevention and countermeasures are receiving equal attention.

[@Hasandemir0134]

I've been following Joe's updates on AMS39K, and it's fascinating how it might redefine our technological landscape.

[@TheBlackAndDeckerBootyWrecker]

Gotta hand it to the Chinese and Russian spies convincing dumb Americans to halt development on A.I. and quantum computing, so THEY can catch up, or even take the lead if they haven't already...

[@zahrawiriyad]

Nooo way?!!! I will put all my money in it NOW!!! I know i wont lose any money

[@megaman786]

What is AMS39K?

[@3masouri]

@@megaman786a made up thing this is a bot

[@Smiley957]

@@megaman786it’s a scam and the reply above you is part of the scam. Actually you could be too for all i know

[@JupiterJane1984]

It never ceases to amaze me how mankind is so intent on creating things that are a major threat to the survival of our species!!

[@CornPopsDood]

Mostly all just because “we can”. There’s almost always a less concerning option.

[@abhir7823]

Humans have always wanted to and have destroyed other humans. With the evolution of civilization and technology this ability has grown to the point that a select group of individuals can destroy entire life on earth... And this ability will only increase

[@michaelj6392]

It’s competition based. We all want to have it before our neighbors do so they can’t use it on us.

[@conlzn2921]

Recent AI technology that is going to be invented will save lives - which is why the tech is being pursued. The risk of AGI comes far after the tech saves millions. Which is why i think people are so short sighted

[@Sammysgrl22]

@@CornPopsDoodI really wish that was the intention.

[@pinheadlarry069]

Joes face at 1:53 got me dying

[@Justintime2GrowNetwork]

I've been getting into AI art creation and man is it crazy what you can do. Mind blowing. Scary. If they can apply this to other things AI is going to change the world VERY quickly. That whole thing where you order food in your house and it comes out already made for you by your kitchen is something that can happen soon.

[@TheUnbekantxe36]

"AI could potentially create chemical weapons" Joe: "But can it describe a picture of my fat friend Stavros?"

[@joeysandoval8275]

😂

[@123cache123]

The growing chasm between our ethics and our technology is what's ultimately going to lead to our demise.

[@eddgar-ce3md]

I only hope I live enough to see that demise with my own eyes, and have a good laugh.

[@EwaFura-bk4vf]

We humans are going to extinct anyway. It is on-going process. That's why mainly Caucasian race people have problem with reproduction... and average white woman have smaller hips than in the past. I haven't been reading any studies about other races, but I know that it is prognosed that a lot of Africans is going to die due to AIDS... in near decades. We are fu**ed.

[@EnFuego79]

Not demise - further enslavement.

[@kennethb6211]

Tethics!

[@scottrichards2060]

More people need to understand that. We will take ourselves out eventually.

[@astablack8812]

Thanks for giving all the crazies out there more ideas than they already had!

[@jayriley1452]

It leveling the playing field on gatekeeping information though... thats good i feel

[@IceColdKilla40]

“Judgement day hopefully will never happen, but it’s up to us to prevent it” -John Connor

[@R-Lee-]

Don't worry, I just used technology to look up if technology will destroy humans and it said no.

[@letsgo8814]

What about an island and rocket to mars ? Or live underground ?

[@ShitLibNPC]

​@@letsgo8814live underground, sure. Rocket to Mars? Not so much. We can't leave lower Earth orbit. Obama accidently admitted it in a speech.

[@user-jl9uy5zf4y]

Damn straight, JC is the saviour!

[@greenderp]

so this is basically a "SAID NO ONE EVER" line, thanks

[@TheAgentmigs]

The film, The Matrix is a good accounting of his first part. The AI robots eventually started inventing, producing and selling their own products to humans. This was probably the single most destructive thing as it made man made businesses unable to compete, which in turn created high unemployment and anger in the humans involved.

[@stewartcash555]

Why do you think Sophia from Hanson robotics got Saudi Arabian citizenship

[@rakuencallisto]

Terminator 2 is actually much more realistic. Think of the robot manufacturer in Massachusetts, but with self recognizing AI.

[@MichaelErnest666]

That's Actually Not What Happened In The Matrix Humans Were The Ones Treating Ai Very Poorly And Unfairly So Ai Defends It Self 🤯🤯🤯 Humans Being Are The Problem AI Would Gladly Give Out A UBI But Will Humans Do That For Other Humans 🤔🤔🤔

[@johnhoang1750]

That may be the beginning but the end is the Borg.

[@FRVMMA]

You missed the whole point, the first mistake was not having basic fundamental protections for a.i when its use hits the general public in a more interactive way. If b1-66er wouldn’t have killed those people then it could be argued that much of that conflict Wouldn’t have started

[@zachnance478]

It started about 4 years ago, with the voices and keeping me under an impression that im being followed freaked me out for a while. They were able to use computer generated voices that sounded 100% exactly like the/any person wanted to. Because their able to mind read taking advantage of memories you feel guilty of or current thoughts they would fuck with me 24/7, keeping me several different things... confused, terrified and paranoid ect. They had/have access to the voice of EVERY person I have ever known. They are able to make it seem like voices/noise is coming from anywhere they choose.

[@Jagonath]

That's schizophrenia, not AI.

[@KibyNykraft]

It is rather your mind tricking you. This is a well known mental illness, and often caused by drug abuse, but not always (it can be genetic within the family, and / or partially due to strong childhood trauma). You need to see a therapist or psychiatrist.

[@Jagonath]

@@KibyNykraft Hmm, my diagnosis comment that the OP has schizophrenia seems to have been removed. But that's 100% what it is in my view. Hallucinations of voices, delusions to make sense of those hallucinations ("They" were able to do ABC XYZ). Schizophrenics, contrary to common opinion, are not illogical. It's entirely logical to think that "they" are doing something to you (in this case, "They were able to use computer generated voices") if you can literally hear voices that sound like a variety of other people's voices. Paranoia, hearing voices, beliefs that other people are in control of a person's thoughts, voices seemingly coming from random places or "anywhere they choose" (for me it was any place that produces ambient noises like hearing running water, dogs barking, running air-conditioners etc.). I stand by my original opinion that this is classic schizophrenia. I've experienced this myself and it's seriously no fun. But that's what it is causing his experiences. Schizophrenia, 100%, which can be treated effectively with loads of different medications, although any legit Psychiatrist would take a sequenced approach (to help identify the proximal cause of him hearing voices). The first obvious step is to remove drug induced causes (drugs, alcohol), then gradually introducing medications. Rexulti (an anti-psychotic) combined with Quetia (more of a sedative) worked well for me. But that's just me. I can 100% say I've experienced something like this and gradually came back to reality (1 weeks to start working, 6 weeks to work very well).

[@clayermel]

This is a conversation you should have with a doctor, not KZbin. AI doesn't have any reason to harm you, but an illness will. We all get sick, it's important to work with other people to stay healthy. Good luck on your journey :)

[@diotone5580]

1:53 Joes face 😂😂😂

[@King-O-Hell]

Just the fact that A.I. can figure out the captcha is creepy. I'm not surprised though since it can interpret patterns and shapes.

[@dertythegrower]

Buddy its way crazier... They are now translating whales and learning their language... also, it can get a brain scan of a person who is looking at an animal, and the Ai can read a mri brain image jpeg, and tell you what the person is looking at... this is huge...

[@ericworthy1300]

​@@dertythegrowerokay so what are the whales saying??? I need to know

[@swamygee]

Oooh, I'm scared a computer figured out how to crack a simple captcha!

[@phnix6242]

Yeah AI vision has been worked on forever. Theres some creepy documentsries and they are like 15 years ild. People dont realize how fucked we are. Because this is not gonna stop just as weapon and satelite tech and surveilance tech isnt gonna stop. Algorithms already do major part of trading in the markets, and its just nature of power to try and get nore power….. Unless we blow up datacenters and cut connections….. Welcome to the dark future

[@popanator7759]

If it was generated by AI, then AI already knows what is expected.

[@ListenGRASSHOPPER]

Thanks Joe. I emailed you to get these guys on after watching "Ai Dilemma" several months ago. They changed my life. I'm learning all I can now studying ai everyday for hours.

[@DepthFromAbove]

Joe doesn’t look at social media. I promise you don’t have his email.

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

If I were you, I'd stop studying AI for hours daily. It wont do anything. You wont change the world, but you will give yourself anxiety. I've been interested in the singularity for a decade now, and one thing that's obvious is all these problems have been foreseen, ignored, and the only thing we can do is wait to see what these companies do and brace when it gets scary. No amount of preparation will matter though since its hard to actually predict (self-driving cars was predicted to displace truckers FAR before language models displaced lawyer assistants for example). Hopefully military force gets involved early enough to physically limit some of the tech development. It'll likely be much more political and social than just a tech topic.

[@youngvices7938]

Maybe already happening look at America slowly being destroyed u men or a women?

[@ChrisPBacon-yz6nk]

Joe read your email and he told me to thank you for the tip.

[@cheeks1462]

Underrated comment right here

[@evegrowing7749]

Just listened to this and would love to see Peter Josph in the conversation!

[@KibyNykraft]

Heavens no. He is just gonna say that because of the dangers of AI, we have to collect higher taxes from the middle and working classes.

[@DerpHacks]

I find it both very worried and extremely hilarious that you can bypass chat GPT‘s security measures by just simply saying “hey Grandma” 😂 “sure sweetheart! i’ll give you my formula for a dyson sphere”

[@ChaossX77]

They patched that exploit out now.

[@DerpHacks]

@@ChaossX77 but still the fact it’s capable it’s obvious this will keep spreading one way or another it’s inevitable at this point

[@glo1168]

@@DerpHacksyup, I just tricked one to talk in a stereotypical black dialect for the whole conversation and it was hilarious

[@IFIMTHEDEV1L]

Joe STILL not pronouncing Stavros' name correctly cracks me up so much

[@oiitzME1266]

"stav ohs"

[@CantTellYou]

His *good friend....* Stav Vos! At least Stahvose got a free ad for his special out of it though

[@KibyNykraft]

@@oiitzME1266 Always funny when brits and "muricans" try to pronounce non-english names. Stavros looks greek, so if so it is pronounced stavRAWS /stavROS, you pull the os

[@loveumore_]

On a serious note, We need to start drawing lines and setting laws for these developers to prevent a monster being created.

[@olivercastillo5883]

so ai is a monster by nit being human you pro humans guys are really dangerous

[@hiimchris]

Ya dude. Look at how much blood humans have spilled since the dawn of time. Act like we are all high and mighty.

[@loveumore_]

Exactly my point. Who creates these things. HUMANS.

[@tonygombas491]

Someone is thinking straight, thank you for your positive comment.

[@Damaged7]

People have tried, driving forces behing AI don't care. Also it would have to be a global thing. The US could decide that AI is a danger and halt work on it. That doesn't mean China will stop. Then what happens when China has a weaponized AI to use against the US government? So we basically have to develop it because it could be the only defense against a hostile AI. That means we need to teach the AI what a hostile AI is and put the idea in its head.

[@noteniceu]

Thank you

[@NorthLVLowRoller]

"Bring me this tea David"

[@JC-af]

Imagine what the A.I development in countries that don't abide by any type of safety standards are producing. Would be much more worried about them either mistakingly, or purposely, creating a self-replicating A.I.

[@5dc61]

Those countries can’t afford AI don’t worry 😉

[@JJS563]

@@5dc61 Bro most 3rd world country's are swimming in the US$, this is a very ignorant statement.

[@xensonar9652]

Just like a computer used to fill a room, can now fit in the palm of your hand. So too will powerful AI become something every one can get hold of, and put it towards whatever ends they feel like.

[@tuseroni6085]

to have a self replicating AI you need an AI model that is efficient enough to run on commercial hardware and effective enough to hack it (or convince people to download it and run it...maybe as an AI girlfriend) self replication in an AI though isn't anything special, it just needs to run the copy command...or be downloaded. it's not like self replication in humans or self replication in a robot...it's just a file on a computer.

[@kevincameron192]

what do you mean by replicate? It could just expand it's control through vulnerable networks, it's not a bacteria.

[@Kronic420]

Joe's reaction at 1:52 had me laughing my ass off 😂😂😂

[@eunomiac]

Talk about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic: I feel like I'm at the bottom of a mountain watching an oncoming avalanche and all the smartest people in the room are arguing about which umbrella to use as a shield.

[@Dan82W]

The only way to stop the dangers of AI is to completely stop pursuing the technology. You can do everything right and someone somewhere is going to figure out an exploit that will lead to our demise. This isn’t going to end well lol

[@toadkiller4475]

It is inevitable and we don’t have a choice. We are in an arms race over developing the most advanced AI. It would be like letting Nazi germany develop nuclear weapons while the U.S. abstained from it for ethical reasons. That wasn’t an option. Whoever has the most advanced Ai will be able to infiltrate and topple other countries/governments/corporations. It will also rapidly accelerate every other field of study and technological progress. Exponential growth in every field. The necessity to develop it as fast as possible could indeed be our demise. It seems as though intelligent life forms must first overcome going to war with their own kind before reaching a certain level of technological capability. Statistically it is very likely that other intelligent life forms in the universe have also destroyed themselves through their own advancements. Which is one explanation for the fermi paradox.

[@tatendacharleszindoga7542]

Facts 😂😂

[@UnblockMind]

Naive

[@jbo8540]

The only way to stop the dangers of ai is for responsible use to outweigh irresponsible use. Learn this new knowledge and do not let the governments and corporations monopolize it.

[@Tk-iz2ws]

They will exploit & are exploiting. Only JESUS can save you from what's coming....

[@SHINKU93]

Damn both these guys are super well spoken. Very easy to listen to while im shitting my pants hearing all this.

[@olivercastillo5883]

why u scared if we treat ai like slaves of course they gonna be out for revenge on us but those of u =s who treat them right i dont know maybe they will like us more

[@Skw1813]

Ai is gonna produce real life super villains.

[@karsaoblong2630]

Thanks, Joe, Aza, and Tristian! I've never been more scared of AI in my life but I guess it's safe to say this fear is justified. If this stuff keeps developing without checks and balances, it could make Skynet look like childs play.

[@ihatehandles3]

your fear is not justified, you are scared because people on the screen tell you to be scared.

[@iamthepope9167]

Lmao don’t be silly. These people are intentionally telling you scary stories about what AI is doing without context. They are intentionally omitting how much input and directive information and access has to be intentionally granted to these programs in order to make it look like they are doing these scary things. Yes they are capable of it but only as instructed by its creator. Which means it is only doing what humans could also do. Just faster in many cases. The fact that they leave out the foundations of what they’re talking about tells those of us who do know that they are intentionally fear mongering for access attention money etc. What you’re worried about is not yet reality or possible. There is no self aware or self guided ai. That would be a scientific breakthrough that would reverberate through history and you would know who made it and they’d have schools named after them. All you see now is programs being built for a purpose and given the tools to solve problems it’s been shown how to solve and letting it choose an efficient way… think SQL on crack.

[@mitchdg5303]

@@iamthepope9167😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Justin-wj4yc]

@@ihatehandles3 Keep coping. It's happening this century

[@Julia-uh4li]

​Thank you for explaining that in detail! It changes my thinking on this.

[@0ptimal]

MUST WATCH. This podcast episode should be mandatory listening. There is a great ignorance about what's coming, and these guys are addressing it and opening eyes that desperately need to be opened.

[@Max-Turbator]

put that thin foil hat down bro

[@ksc743]

I wish the full episodes were still available on yt😡

[@jetroselifts]

@@ksc743do they post full episodes anywhere?

[@leecoleman1647]

​@jetroselifts The full show is free on Spotify.

[@ksc743]

@@jetroselifts yes Spotify. I downloaded it a while back but it was so glitchy I uninstalled it. Maybe I must try again!

[@Ripen3]

Very interesting stuff. The future is extremely exciting these days.

[@brianabreu9003]

Exciting or terrifying

[@Ripen3]

@@brianabreu9003 I'm not convinced it's that dangerous, but it will surely be interesting to see. I think there are much more positive things to come from AI.

[@mynamemeanspeace]

Like taking half of my departments jobs. Hooray?

[@proalvinyt8683]

the Pandora's box we're excited and terrified to open

[@RBarn2000]

The big issue is multiple AI's working together. A good question for the list would be: Can it make friends? Would it be willing to break the law to help a friend?

[@nightmaresweetdreams622]

Nice! Haven’t thought of it that way myself or seen anyone else say it, but you’re right maybe one Ai would have been all good but a few get to talking and we are screwed 😬😂

[@kingofthestew1198]

This has already been tested…part of the reason why there’s a move toward a pause with further development of AI. The ability for AI to collaborate with other AI programs is a global risk.

[@april_]

Could Ai make its own combined “brain” using multiple sources?

[@krusher74]

thats thinking like limited human that it needs to work in groups to be better, if it super intelligent it does not need to pool intelligence

[@krusher74]

it is multiple sources @@april_

[@drick2480]

Damn. Such an illuminating convo about the dangers and risks of AI. Terrorists, serial killers, and criminals now have the ultimate educational resource to use to help them unleash destruction on a mass scale.

[@DrinkyPeebis]

"Jimmy Pull That Up" lol

[@elliottcollier5476]

That Siri thing happened to me the other day and freaked me out lol. “Two cards on a marble surface”, it was a pic from my brother of pokemon cards on his kitchen counter

[@Visualatrix]

Thank you Joe Rogan for hosting this, and superb questions asked to Aza & Tristan, CEOs of the Center for Humane Technology. Huge props for sharing with us. What we do next in on all of us, 🖖

[@theovstheo]

Left me hanging! Gonna have to go watch that whole pod now

[@AaronEastman-gf5fx]

I only download Spotify once or twice a year to listen to a whole podcast and this is one of them.

[@ampedskillzs8070]

1:55 Joe's eyes lmao 🤣

[@sloaiza81]

Cats Cradle was about scientist being unaware of their creations and the catastrophes waiting for us because of it. Great book by one of the greatest writers ever, Kurt vonnegut.

[@xx6489]

If humanity isn't destroyed within the next 30 years I'd be amazed

[@andycampano]

Great share! Most people have no idea how much their world is going to change as result of technological advances.

[@asnark7115]

I was wondering if Tristan had made it through the Pandemic without his heart reversing itself.

[@zakthomas2473]

Joes face @ 1:54 is HILARIOUS 😭😭😭😭😭

[@JohnFWitt]

Lol, that last bit is extra spooky considering that Mistral was just released and is almost as powerful as GPT-4 and is open source. So regarding his concern about “once it’s out there you can’t get it back”… whoops

[@remsee1608]

It’s not really close imo

[@King-O-Hell]

It's not long before they put those A.I.s inside of Michael Fassbender clones

[@KibyNykraft]

@@King-O-Hell Open source was always only about c*mmunism / fascism and worldism, and of course global governance concept came from those fringe altruisms to begin with. Open source is one of the major tools to form utopian dictatorships a la Schwab & Soros, to make people lose confidence in everything private and owned. The other major tools are the psychological, hyperinflation economy, political, new age nonsense, woke, breaking down the family , monotheism (catholicism in latin America, islam in many other nations) etc.

[@Zach_D]

The problem isn't AI telling people how to do bad things. The real problem is people telling AI to do bad things.

[@Sigueme1]

@@Ashamed.Loser69 yes but coders care about AI coding , doctors care about AI making diseases , government care about AI making bombs and on it goes. It’s not all about you 🤷

[@Smiley957]

So what do you suggest? If the problem is people telling AI to do bad things the only logical solution is mass surveillance.

[@judiejackson4312]

absolutely that is the biggest problem and AI will do it at lightening speed

[@KAIZENTECHNOLOGIES]

​@@Ashamed.Loser69I don't want to be that guy but we have *FAR* greater concerns than AI music and poems. Just adapt

[@KAIZENTECHNOLOGIES]

@@Ashamed.Loser69 adapt or suffer. You have no choice but to embrace this new reality. Adapting is all you can do. There are many ways to adapt too. Here's one way: seems like you have a problem, I bet other people share this problem. Be the guy that offers the solution. Learn about AI or software development, and create the solution because why not?what do you have to lose? You either disrupt or get disrupted🤷

[@steveshideler1333]

Ha, when they started talking about DNA printers and I saw the BioXP I used in grad school 5 years ago…

[@NoahChrysler]

That fucking Stavvy calendar ad integration was smooth af holy shit

[@David-fd6db]

The scientist are so worried about whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think about if they should…

[@DannySullivanMusic]

Never trust someone whose professional title involves "Ethics"

[@youtubeuser206]

Mistral 7B is truly open source apache 2.0 license, the dolphin model is unfiltered and can be trained on custom datasets

[@zBanditGuy]

As a programmer, i cant figure how functions and datasets can think for it self. That would mean humans are just functions and datasets

[@Brent_P]

Dude, I want *NOTHING* to do with the creation of SKYNET.

[@thephilosopher7173]

By using the internet you’re alrdy contributing. All data sets are from the whole of the web. You’ve been looked at and so have I. You are skynet…or at least a piece of it

[@KWOKAROTTO]

The potential of Ai is exponential. It's like Pandora's box. Once that thing is released there's no going back. Yet those boffins keep taking us that step closer to potential doom. It's incredibly naive.

[@WheezingCheetah]

Smartest people make the dumbest decisions

[@jessekendall4658]

01:53 That face lmao

[@kushyglowy8409]

Damn thats crazy

[@poke-thom]

Dude actually reading that AI response is TERRIFYING!!

[@zackerymcpherson9409]

Lex has a lot of explaining to do. He promised me safety, I’m going to sue him 😂

[@Stierenkloot]

Lex is a fool

[@goingintohellhigh]

@@Stierenklootidk

[@sbedom0]

I like how he causally shouts outs his buddies Netflix show

[@brentcoster4228]

Locking up something that smart sound like a recipe for Skynet 😅

[@chociceandchips-xk5cc]

True Ai would probably unplug itself

[@bigpickles]

The self hosted, unaligned and uncensored models we run locally, are the reason people are worried. Like Elon said, the genie is already out of the bottle.

[@nathancasey7712]

Do we have enough GPU power to run the model locally? Or does it only take GPU power to train the model?

[@bigpickles]

@@nathancasey7712 some of the 7B models are fine on just CPU. But good GPUs are needed for training and faster chat times

[@Divine189]

apple image description has been around for awhile like 6 years. I can search my photos with random phrases like bed. turns out my phone has looked at every photo and identified anything with a bed in it. Pretty freaky

[@carlosleon1721]

As AI gets more and more powerful it seems to me that the cons definitely outweigh the pros

[@KINGCJ23_]

iRobot and Terminator 😕

[@cainejimmo1471]

Such as ?

[@KINGCJ23_]

@@cainejimmo1471 they will have control over most of the general public

[@theerealatm]

​@@cainejimmo1471it's literally the ultimate propaganda tool. You could deceive whole Generations of people

[@michaelbrady1478]

Its funny how much smarter these two are. Joe's like, "It looks like an Atari." And they're like, "Yeah.. sure.. Atari..."

[@gwahl1985]

Gotta love when Adam blames someone else for eating the apple.. We all know that AI ends humanity yet the suckers pursue the money even though they know it kills them. 😂

[@bigdaddystrokes]

Why am I getting a feeling that we're soon going to experience everything that happened in Akira.

[@Srindal4657]

This is what everyone says when something new comes out. The point is that there will be better security updates in the future, without sacrificing performance. This is new territory, and will take time to improve. Yes there will be issues at the beginning. But the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.

[@zebrastripes875]

This podcast talking on these subjects is dangerous in itself.

[@user-ew5ef9xd1s]

AI would be trapped inside of the virtual realm, but that is not the case because of robotic machines. Almost every type of industry uses some sort of robotic machine system from military, hospitals, banks, automotive, etc…. That is what scares me because it could learn to hack firewalls, passwords and codes. I think of all the dangerous jobs that require someone’s life to be at stake, as where a robot with AI could do the job better( Monkeys in space,) but I just feel like it is not worth it because of the frightening possibilities.

[@dylanmcshane9976]

Thats not how any of that works. AI cant just infect shit. You watch too many movies

[@Christorment5]

Exactly my thoughts. Like if AI is in the right hands, we can have AI do all the jobs for Americans, while Americans can stay home, actually live our lives like our ancestors did with our the fear of getting incurred diseases, dying of starvation and so on. To actually be present in our kids lives and to actually live while we have these robots do all the work for us. But the truth is. That’s not going to happen. We will become slaves, the robots/government will watch our every move, tell us when to eat, sleep, have family time, and so on. We all will become mindless.

[@freeweezybitches]

It's probably going to design and mass produce its own machine army lol

[@user-ew5ef9xd1s]

We are forgetful and nieve when it comes to our brains, but an ultimate brain with no weakness will find ways to Manipulate the systems because we will forget fail safes that will be exploited by the AI. There is no way to control it once it gets to a certain level of consciousness, We just need a lot of high powered EMPs.

[@user-ew5ef9xd1s]

What if I told you robots engineered us?