Tech Lore : Holodeck - The pragmatically sinful Tech

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Today we will breakdown the Holodeck from the Star Trek Universe - I'll be giving my opinion is it good, it it bad, and breaking it all down.
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[@P1CRR]

What happens on the holodeck, stays on the holodeck. Now imagine the poor guy cleaning the holodeck.

[@LoreReloaded]

Hopefully the computer does it X_x

[@claytonhusted]

Crewman! Riker was just in the holodeck. Grab your mop.

[@pwrserge83]

I can't imagine that it would be much worse than cleaning the heads on a modern warship.

[@vichodeivis1219]

Or you can teleport everything outside the ship and hide your dirty behavior ^_^

[@TheStarTrekApologist]

The ship is self cleaning. Which is good for the bloody ship.

[@adamlemus7585]

I always wanted to hear Picard say "Shut up Wesley!!! Or I'll have you mop out the holodeck after Rikers day off"

[@Dr.Westside]

Adam Lemus Geordi and Barkley were the freaks.

[@arsenal_616]

That raises a good question. What does the holodeck do with bodily fluids left behind by the user? Blood, sweat, jizz, etc? It probably gets recycled into the replicator system. So your next meal used to be somebody's love juices. lol

[@adamlemus7585]

Charles Moore In the federation if you find a unknown substance on the holodeck floor that's know as a Barkley puddle

[@bondsan]

It all gets beamed to the matter resequencer storage area to be reused by the replicator, why do you think the replicated crackers taste so salty

[@TheCaptainCrack]

@@AckzaTV Is it raining on the Holodeck?! xDDDDD NO! Riker left the Holodeck

[@pseudonym9599]

If holodecks were real, Bethesda would port Skyrim to it.

[@Hermenie]

A port I would be okay with

[@isidorex]

Anyone could just program their own equivalent of it by saying a few sentences aloud to the computer.

[@HuxTheSergal]

Yeah, imagine all of the glitches

[@AlfaPro1337]

Yeah, imagine if all of the Skyrim XXX mods end up there too.

[@thebushwolf710]

Pretty much, gotta think of the one dude, who would try to rape the dragons... Now that would be ridiculous

[@BirdOPrey5]

If holographic lungs can be "projected" inside the body to work then a holo-bullet would be able to cut through flesh without issue.

[@LoreReloaded]

That's a good counter I didnt consider.

[@DeusExAstra]

Yeah I think as long as the area is surrounded by projectors, the holographic constructs can exist even if inside objects... although I'm sure there's a limit to that. This is why they fade once outside the holodeck, because they're no longer surrounded by projectors.

[@GunpointSyndicate]

I would think that due to the use of holographic lungs in the episode, it would be one of the rare examples in Star Trek where the surgeon has to actually open up the patient to perform the procedure. The episode was interesting despite being a Neelix episode.

[@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870]

birdoprey5 What do you think Picard was doing with an holographic Tommy gun in First Contact?

[@BirdOPrey5]

Uhh... Shooting the Borg?

[@internetzenmaster8952]

"Untold amounts of heresy" Whoa... this took a sharp turn into Warhammer 40k territory. Please, continue!

[@setojurai]

ya'll mothafukkas need Slannesh

[@internetzenmaster8952]

Slaanesh *would* love holodecks, wouldn't they?

[@JimbobHarrigan1984]

I'd be playing 40K on the holodeck, Fall of Cadia as the Cadians anyone?

[@TheAxel1105]

Blood Raven or the horus heresy as olanius pius ?

[@JimbobHarrigan1984]

Or the Devastation of Baal as Commander Dante?

[@pwrserge83]

Ah... the porn deck... Given the crews of modern warships... that would be 99%+ of it's daily usage.... It's nice that DS9 gave a few quiet nods to that fact. Well, that and the fact that Quark was basically a holo-pimp. As for a holodeck on the Defiant... Not really necessary. In a ship that barely had a functional sickbay, I can see that the room and power for a holodeck would be a very low priority.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

It depends. While it is a war ship(Defiant class)......and not meant for long term use i have to think that some missions(covert operations) would take a while so it would come in handy. Troops with nothing to do get into trouble. If the vessel is on a long term secret mission, being able to train troops for the mission only after radio silence is established and they're enroute would be great for security. Training for a mission before the mission runs a higher risk of spies finding out. If nobody knows about the mission or training UNTIL it's too late to share the info.......that gives you an advantage. The power requirements aren't really an issue since you can just shut it off. Ultimately I don't see it as a practical or economical addition to every war ship.....just one or two special cases.

[@DrewLSsix]

Bill Kennedy. But the Defiant was a slow as balls escort vessel. It was never meant to be away from other larger ships for any period of time. And it was literally a barely working prototype, we do see hologram tech integrated eventually but planing for training or wank sessions at a point when the whole ship is barely holding together is a bit silly.

[@pwrserge83]

I think people forget that the Defiant was a tiny ship by Star Trek standards. Given how much time Bashir spent bitching about his lack of a decent sickbay, I can't imagine a holodeck was much of a priority. I always imagined the Defiant as being a set of engines strapped to the biggest set of guns that Starfleet could build and then with crew accommodations wedged in wherever there was room left over.

[@Radintoriov]

The Defiant is indeed little more than a set of very large guns strapped onto some really powerful engines for combat maneuvers. A ship of this class would not be used for a covert mission or usually designed to operate alone in general. A holodeck on the ship is not needed since the crew could train (or relax) on whatever facilities are on the station this ship would be normally assigned to.

[@OspreyKnight]

So projecting an emergency sickbay is out of the question? The problem again is that you're unitasking the technology. The problem with things like holodecks, transporters, replicators and any kind of FTL is that they become really handy solutions for a number of problems not accounted for. Electronic computers started out as ways to calculate artillery shells for warships. Now we use them to argue about videos of a fictional universe that came out 50 years ago. Don't ask what you can do with these technologies but what can't you do with them.

[@Nicholas.Rogala]

For a long time now, I've been of the opinion that the holodeck was the single most complex piece of tech anywhere on any ship. It pretty much uses everything a starship needs to function and then some. Force fields, light, and replicated matter to create any "solid" object. Inertial dampeners to eliminate the sensation of movement as the computer physically moves you from a real wall. Mind boggling amounts of energy and computational power to run the system. Sensors to track the movements (all the movements from the physical position to hand gestures) of the real people inside. When you sit down and think about all the technologies that must be used to make the thing work and then compare that to something like weapons or power generation, it's simply absurd.

[@pwnmeisterage]

Mind boggling energy is much less of an issue when you're on a ship which can bend physics, space, and time ... and even your touchscreens are all full of volatile explodium. Mind boggling computational power is less meaningful if you compare computational capacities over the last half century and imagine another three centuries forward.

[@robertharris6092]

Computational power probably wouldn't be a problem. Considering they have AI

[@zolartan4442]

And it turns lethal on them pretty much 4 out of 5 times they use it.

[@p.o.9964]

Oh uuugh Dr Crusher ummm, I got Holo Herpes..... again....

[@slevinchannel7589]

With the holo-emitters, you can literally shoot Imagination towards your enemys. So i would use it MUCH MORE. YET: Of yourse, especially Widowers would be prone to Holo-Sickness. I absolutely agree that Addiction would be a huge problem. Means: I would use it not everywhere but more than in Star Trek. More than them but not always.

[@NapoleChan]

I always assumed Quark kept around Rom to clean the spunk in the holo-suites. Just think after the program was deactivated the recreations of people fade away and the quarts of man mayo are the only thing left and fall on the ground. And poor Rom doesn't even get a mop, just a slightly damp rag. Quark ain't spending his hard earned latinum on some damn overpriced sponge mop!

[@LoreReloaded]

sounds legit..

[@Astronut128]

I assumed the holodecks had a shut-down routine that would move those materials to a biowaste disposal.

[@predabot__6778]

It would make sense that the holodeck would have not just built-in replicators, but also the reverse-effect of replicators - where they break matter down and recycle it for energy. Quark would just need to push a button to clean it out, then. Of course, since replicators weren't invented or common when the first decks must have been built, I imagine things had to go the way you describe it at first, lol!

[@volleyballDave]

yup, like the episode of STNG where they did a baryon sweep of the whole ship getting rid of any bio-matter, living or dead.

[@shannonrhoads7099]

@@predabot__6778 Or, of course, luring enemies into the holosuite and locking the door, *then* running the cleaning program.

[@thermallance7947]

Remember. Never bring a blacklight in the holodeck.

[@deydraniadiancecht8298]

"Even a holographic bullet can kill." You're forgetting that in season one, the safety protocols were broken and an Ensign was shot by a gangster. He nearly died from the injury. It wasn't an inconsistency. It was very consistent. In an episode of Voyager, they used Holographic explosives to destroy part of the Holodeck. Also, you cannot simulate "space" without sucking out all of the air within the Holodeck and dropping the temp to near zero kelvin- which the ship can do anytime it wants- it can just simply open every door in the ship and then open the Shuttle & Cargo Bay doors. They now have Space on every deck of the ship. You don't need a Holodeck for that. Also, you can't simulate the Sun in a Holodeck. Do you really think the ship's holo-matrix can simulate 27,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit? You think those temps can just be simulated? For one, even if they could, you just melted your own ship... and now it's gone... all because you were boarded... Do you think these things through before you say them?

[@r4z0rv1n3]

Honestly you don't even need to do something that drastic a boarding party could be stopped by a room completely filled with holographic superglue or something like that lol.

[@Cheesusful]

@@r4z0rv1n3 that made me lol though simulating a million ball bearings travelling at the speed of sound might be a faster (albeit messier) solution

[@firekram]

I think that the holo deck does simulate space in a Voyager episode. Lt. Torres situated a skydiving jump from a shuttle craft into a planetary atmosphere with the safety of because she was experiencing clinical depression and wanted to feel something

[@deydraniadiancecht8298]

@@firekram It never stated any of the details on how dangerous that would be. It didn't talk about lack of pressure, windspeed, or temperature. Sure, some of those were simulated, but we don't know to what extent.

[@roberine7241]

@@r4z0rv1n3 or just make an infinite maze get popcorn and enjoy the show. also if the range of holo-projectors is enough you could simulate an entire fleet that is not actually there. or use rones with projectors to do so. it would be like that one scene from star trek Picard.

[@barrybend7189]

In first contact Picard also stated he took down the safety measures. Hence even a holographic bullet can kill.

[@LoreReloaded]

Yep..I directly state that and my belief why he was wrong

[@MirrorDimly]

So how does a holo artillery round destroy several decks in the Voyager episode _‘The Killing Game’?_

[@barrybend7189]

I'm CIA no it was Explosives planted in a "building" in the holodeck.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

I think it's possible. We know anything created within the limits of the holo projectors, is essentially real matter and energy, but vanishes almost instantly beyond the limits of the projectors. Now......we can assume those limits cover every square inch of the holodecks, or at least I've never seen evidence to the contrary. So.......the holodeck itself is a room with solid walls right up to the surface. Within those walls are real breathable life support and atmosphere(oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide etc). An explosion is essentially a compressed wave of gases(atmosphere) expanding outward. So....much like any explosion, the compressed gases will expand and exert pressure onto the walls of the holodeck. Obviously the walls can only take so much before they rupture like any other walls. Now this is where it gets tricky. The gasses and solid debris would vanish as the walls expand or rupture beyond the limits of the projectors or until the projectors are destroyed. However.........the energy already imparted to the walls (from the gas and debris) in the few thousandths of a second before it vanishes will give the walls momentum to continue to rupture. Hence your explosion. I suspect, however that it would take a much larger holo explosion to do the same amount of damage as a real explosion because a lot of the energy will cease to exist beyond a certain point. Of course this is based on very little real information, I was just bored. :) Who knows how strong star fleet walls are, or how powerful the holodeck will actually make the artillery round.

[@DrewLSsix]

Lore Reloaded. The holodeck creates force feedback and the illusion of solid objects via forcefields, you presumably dont need line of sight to project forcefields. The way they are portrayed elsewhere in trek suggests as much. I also doubt the photons of light used in the holodeck are being projected like lamp light, they are likely manipulated directly via forcefields to emanate from an object properly or are stimulated at their source.

[@Shatterverse]

I'd hate to be the poor bastard who has to mop up in one after Riker was done in there.

[@Shatterverse]

Chris Manaloe hush, don't run the joke.

[@surfninjafishing8297]

Gizz bots

[@dragonson72]

+Etterra The hip can clean itself

[@Satori079]

Rusty Trombone in "The super sluts of Risa"

[@manictiger]

Me: Computer, run 10-phase teleportation sweep, followed by a 10-phase phaser sweep. Computer: It is calculated that current microbes will be removed after a 1-phase-- Me: I do not care! Run 10 sweep programs 1 and 2!

[@LordFoxxyFoxington]

Lets be honest, we would all use it for the same reason.

[@arempy5836]

Yes, a nice game of squash.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

Organising my wardrobe without having to heft my clothes around? Ooh or the furniture in my house?! I know we are on the same wavelength.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

To re-organize our wardrobes? I know we are in the same wavelength.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Cross wire the holodeck with the transporters and begin beaming down a whole army of fully armed millions of replicated 7 of 9 original battle Borgs against enemy planets ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHjHaaJ7r7logtE

[@michaeljames470]

As a cheap apartment that can make me an entire mansion in the space of say, 500 square feet? Live like a king, while in the real world my clothes are cheap and make me look like a homeless college student? Create a functioning family in a world where war no longer exists and I can have my late cat with me for the rest of my life instead of him dying long before me?

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Trying to imagine the difference between a holographic bullet entering a body and The Doctor's hand entering a patient's body in order to do surgery. I also agree real life holodecks would be palaces of sin. I'm not ashamed to admit I'd be doing VERY sinful things if I had access to one.

[@arsenal_616]

A holographic crew would just be another thing that can go wrong while the ship is being attacked. "Target their weapon systems! No, target their engines! No, better yet, knock their holomatrix out so the ship will basically be abandoned and we can just board it without a hassle and steal all their shit."

[@VestedUTuber]

That's why you'd have redundant holomatrices on a ship crewed by holograms.

[@乙-f1s]

which would still be cheaper than food supplies and crew quarters. Hell, you wouldn't even need corridors.

[@VestedUTuber]

+ᗩ乙Ꭵᖇᗩᖺᗩᙓᒪ Er, not necessarily. Sure, it would be cheaper than ACTUAL food supplies. But in Star Trek everyone uses replicators on ships which means the only actual supply you'd really need is energy. In regards to crew quarters, it's a tradeoff. What you save on space and energy used for crew quarters and life support you lose on space and energy for additional computers and holoemitters. Honestly, though, if you want to go fully unmanned with a ship then why even bother with having a hologram crew? Ditch the middle-man and just automate the thing directly.

[@乙-f1s]

VestedUTuber Sentient starships. Gotta be cheaper and more effective than a box of humans. Especially if you're using all that power to make food out of energy. And using holograms would allow for repairs and such.

[@VestedUTuber]

+ᗩ乙Ꭵᖇᗩᖺᗩᙓᒪ Again, not necessarily. A computer capable of sentience would use a large amount of energy over time. The power usage of a modern supercomputer is measured in megawatts. A computer capable of both sentience and sapience (human-level intelligence) would require far more energy than that. We don't know exactly how much more, though.

[@hdjksa52]

What do I think about holodecks? *HOORAY FOR 24TH CENTURY GAMING!!!!!!*

[@slevinchannel7589]

With the holo-emitters, you can literally shoot Imagination towards your enemys. So i would use it MUCH MORE. YET: Of yourse, especially Widowers would be prone to Holo-Sickness. I absolutely agree that Addiction would be a huge problem. Means: I would use it not everywhere but more than in Star Trek. More than them but not always.

[@matthewbanta3240]

I love how on the Orville they mostly use their holodecks (name changed to prevent being sued) to play video games and have sex with porn characters. Even the doctor uses it to make the android anatomically correct so she could get nasty with him. Probably how people would end up using a holodeck in real life.

[@urtgoufhgho]

When the internet was first created it was 90% porn

[@andit1265]

I just thought, about having holo emitters everywhere on the ship. Just imagine you are a Klingon boarding with your mighty bat´leth and all of a sudden there are thousands of soldiers on every deck, safety settings off.

[@voss0749]

To paraphrase Dennis Miller: When Holodecks make your average nerd able to do Jeri Ryan or Scarlett Johannsen , it will make crack look like Sanka and Heroin look like Baby Benadryl.

[@Spacegoat92]

Here's one thing i don't get... The holodecks were ALWAYS free!!!! Like you never see someone wanting to use the holodeck and not being able to because Wesley was in there having a holoshag, or Riker was boning some tentacled alien! Every time they needed a holodeck they always just walk in, any time, and it's empty. Man, i was on a cruise ship and it was hard enough to get a spa without people being in them, can you imagine how freaking hard it would be to be able to spend time in a virtual reality environment where you could be anything you wanted to be, on a ship with over 1000 people on board??? I would be in that thing every single chance i could get!!!

[@mrmrsgamer6938]

you are about to take a journey. Aboard the star ship Voyeur

[@LoreReloaded]

#ohlala

[@SpacePog]

oh my

[@mrmrsgamer6938]

is that Sulu "Oh My" or Kirk in generations "oh my" ? XD

[@christopherfleetwood5252]

@@mrmrsgamer6938 considering 7 of 9 is on Voyager, it's definitely a Sulu.

[@paulsky1]

@@christopherfleetwood5252 OH~MY

[@deanlawson6880]

Great Video - Really deep subject! Like any other very useful and very powerful tool it can be used for good or ill. It would be really good to see more about this in pt.2 and if necessary a part 3 or 4. Really good - Thanks for the video!

[@sacredpaladin5446]

I like the idea of a Holodeck, it could bring my books to life

[@LoreReloaded]

that would be one advantage.

[@katakisLives]

you could also build massive fictional worlds from your own imagination, rainbow waterfalls multi ringed moons in the sky mercury coloured oceans herds of wooly mammoths

[@Lia-uf1ir]

@@katakisLives Isn't that what Holo-Authors do? Create new stories and Worlds? The rest would simply be adaptations, only not book to film but book to holodeck. And likely Video game adaptations! :D

[@katakisLives]

@@Lia-uf1ir Yeah, I guess so I was more thinking about a user making their own programme and then being able to explore it, I guess there would already be assets that others had made so you could do it on a more modular basis, like if you wanted to create a patchwork city, where the statue of liberty is in San Francisco bay and the skyline has buildings from other cities, like minecraft but on a much bigger scale that you can explore

[@Lia-uf1ir]

@@katakisLives Ah! I see what you mean

[@jonskowitz]

"... the inside of the Corona of the sun" Adapt to that

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

As worf said in first contact: ASSIMILATE THIS!!

[@randomgooy7456]

Oh yes

[@Cjnw]

Adapt to Covid, the Novel Coronavirus ( at that time )

[@sim.frischh9781]

A holodeck, even with all it´s risks, would be awesome for education, training and showcasing, all of those were done at least once in every show starting with TNG. Science and Analysis would profit from it just like military exercise, and just think of the possibilities for marketing (though that would be irrelevant in the Star Trek universe due to their economic system).

[@grayscribe1342]

It would have been nice to see security training for a hostage rescue attempt with an known or unknown (invented) species as aggressors or protecting scientists from the hungry flora and fauna of an unknown planet. Like the TNG episode where Troi takes the test to advance in rank, just more like routine training.

[@casbot71]

It could explain why Starfleet personnel are so highly trained renaissance people, because training is so efficient. You get one on one personal training with the top expert (or a group of experts) in the field.

[@sim.frischh9781]

I just pointed out other possibilities, after all we need sex ed too XD

[@ancapftw9113]

Well there was the DS9 episode where Quark used it to demonstrate guns to a client, so product demonstration and sales is a possible use.

[@ancapftw9113]

Sim. Frischh so that's why Westley spent so much time in there.

[@theAEDan]

Let's face it, holographic Troi has been shot over more times than Baghdad Beverly too

[@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785]

Beverly: Computer, create a Sherlock Holmes villain who is capable of defeating DATA. Me: Oops... Moriarty: I think therefore I am.

[@mxplixic]

When did they call Dr. Pulaski "Beverly"? Oops... :)

[@r4z0rv1n3]

@@mxplixic Though Geordi was the one who asked the computer to create Moriarty not Doctor Pulaski.

[@jameslewis2635]

I am cool with Discovery and Kirk's Enterprise having holographic technology as long as it was not the kind of hologram you can touch. That would explain the difference between the earlier technology and what appears in the 24th century as the holodeck.

[@sivamachina3160]

me And in Star Trek Continues.

[@katiekatie6289]

me A lot of people don't consider the animated series to be cannon.

[@hudsonball4702]

Holodecks were a necessary evil. Remember by the time of TNG ships were now exploring space upwards of 4-7 years at a time. If there's one thing that submarine experience has taught the navy is that prolonged exposure to the same space over and over and over again will slowly drive someone mad. Sure a Galaxy-class is far bigger then any submarine today, but the principle still applies. There are times when people just need to get away from it all and forget about their duties and such. While bars (10 Forward) and gyms and such offered a nice distraction, they were no substitute for "getting away from it all." And since M Class planets were few and far between, the next best thing would be a holodeck. You could simulate just about any place or time or scenario with just about anyone you want. Data playing poker with Newton, Einstein, and Hawking comes to mind. It was the one place on the ship that you could cut loose and do just about anything you wanted. A relaxing day on a beach. Go Mountain climbing, delve into your favorite novel. Or, indeed, you can indulge your... lewder side (Tuvok needed it when he went through Pon farr, not to mention Quark's... special programs). The fact is, people NEED a place to completely unwind every so often otherwise they could be driven insane. A Holodeck was the perfect place to do such. True Holodecks could be dangerous and addictive, but instances of those were very rare.

[@BaconMinion]

Holodeck style technology is one of the solutions to the Fermi Paradox, where aliens have created their own version of reality that is so perfect that they don't see the need to explore the physical universe.

[@SC2Owl]

The Defiant is a oldschool destroyer, it wasn't designed to operate alone for an expanded amount of time... if the crew needs recreation and/or training, they would probably just rendezvous with a cruiser (like a galaxy) or return to their base of operation and use the facilities there...

[@LoreReloaded]

what if they are on a mission and can't hook up with another ship but need to train?

[@SC2Owl]

I simply don't think that starfleeet would send a Defiant in a situation where this was a likely scenario... It doesn't even have a proper medbay, so being more than a few days or even hours away from another ship or an outpost seems like a very bad idea. I think most of the times, Defiant-class ships were deployed in strike groups, in combination with at least one bigger vesel, similar to what we see in the Prometheus episode... Two Defiants and an Akira... That allows the Defiants to stay in action longer, because it's possible to rotate crew, and to send wounded people to the akira, where they will get way better care. Also the Akira has probably way more torpedoes and can help out the defiants, if they run dry... It seems like a very reasonable way to use ships like the defiant... Of course, 'the Defiant' is a special case, because it had a cloak... As for the Valiant: It was clear, that it should have returned to base a long time ago, as Jake and Nog came aboard.

[@zombieshoot4318]

If you're on a mission on the Defiant you don't need to train. You're already trained in what you need to do. The Defiant is a mission ship. It's not like the Enterprise which is out exploring. Defiant is more of a "go here and blow this target up and come back" type ship. It's one of the reasons it's assigned to Deep Space 9. Think of it like the WWII version of the PT boats.

[@neilroanoke8979]

Yeah the ship is also not complete inside some quarters didnt have life support so maybe it was going to be installed on Tuesday and it just didn't happen

[@markholub5219]

@@SC2Owl Enhanced Shields too...bad-arse little Ship..."Little?" -Worf.

[@ALoonwolf]

I imagine you would be walking on forcefields which moved like a treadmill to keep you in the same place, but as soon as people start separating beyond the size of the holodeck, each would need to be sectioned off inside their own mini-holdeck with their own local projections that were connected but completely independent of each other.

[@hokusman100]

I love how The Orville took this concept to its logical conclusion

[@giladpellaeon1691]

"Captain, the holo-shed is broken. Again." "Last time that happened I was hit with 3 paternity suits!"

[@basp-ef7jx]

If I die, delete my holodeck history.

[@Blasted2Oblivion]

From what I see of it, the holodeck is like a personally interactive version of the internet. People will use it for what they want, for better or worse.

[@uncleurdnot]

Holodecks are dangerous I agree, but for those serving on a station in space and their next leave is five six months away then going onto a Holodeck or Holosuite (If you're at Quarks) could raise morale a bit without the officer ever leaving the station. Just because its dangerous doesn't mean it cant be used still. Also for those saying just use Holograms as crew should know that Starfleet technically does, well not crew of a starship but rather miners, the old EMH mk1s were all disbanded and sent to mine diliteium (can't remember how to spell it) and Voyagers doctor sent a holonoval he made to them called "Photons be free" I recall, i remember seeing something like that In the episode.

[@DrewLSsix]

The physical bullet would be manifested with forcefields. So the Borg would be penetrated by a forcefield matrix not some photons. Discovery got its holographic training room from the animated series, a feature intended to be included in TOS. My favorite holodeck tech is the ability for the computer to know exactly what you want to see, when they replicated the alien abduction scenes on TNG it took all of three instructions for the c9mputer to generate the exact highly specific table they needed!

[@KuraIthys]

I wouldn't call it that exact, given what the real thing looked like. I guess it's just that the computer is very good at interpreting verbal descriptions and creating a workable approximation of something based off that description. But if you've got natural language processing, and a database that contains 10,000 types of table, 5000 varieties of scissors, and most every location in the known universe stored in it... That's a lot of combinations you could mess with to get a desired result. XD

[@ThomasstevenSlater]

I wouldn't be surprised if Picard had that planned in advance so you just replicate a real gun, and constantly replicate more bullets too.

[@trippsmythoftheaurigancoal8155]

I agree... Though, I love the idea of doing Grav Plate Ping-Pong... Turn the Grav Plates on (+10 gs) & off(-10 gs) very rapidly & let gravity do the work, James. It's an old Traveller trick...

[@krimhorn]

I always imagined that Parisses Squares involved some aspect of gravitational modification. Both up and down. Would be a _very_ futuristic way to build a sport.

[@Forge64]

Overthinking it again. Just turn off the inertial dampers in the area and whack full impulse for a second or two, then get mops and squeegee the Borg or Vidiians or whoever off the rear bulkhead. A few hundred gees kill indiscriminately.

[@limiv5272]

@@Forge64 The question is, are inertial dampeners local or is it a ship-wide system?

[@markc1548]

My holideck house would be Freaking awesome, a stroll across the beach then through the rain forest then across the draw bridge. The maids would always have my favorite foods prepared. Who would ever leave home or bother with life except to pay your electric bill.

[@SC2Owl]

Is holoadiction in a society with no need for workforce really a bad thing?

[@LoreReloaded]

It doesn't seem healthy

[@SC2Owl]

But it's hurting no one, it's not using up a finite resource... a person is happy, no victims. Is there really a reason why Barclay needs to deal with the real world, if he prefers being chased by horny holograms of Troy and Crusher? I mean it would be easy to manipulate the programm in a way, that Federation could still use his creative mind... put some problems from the real world into his simulation... like 'theres a ship in the delta quadrant and we need to communicate with it'... and Barclay comes up with his solution, the computer registers it and sends it to starfleet... he had never to deal with the anxiety of meeting a critical admiral, and the admirals don't need to put up with the sheer akwardness of meeting barclay and everyone is happy...

[@PassiveDestroyer]

The problem with Barclay's addiction is that he has a job: He's a Starfleet officer and should conduct himself appropriately. His holo-addiction made him late to duty, so that's why it was a problem. If he was a civilian, then maybe your solution could work, but he's not. Part of being an officer is meeting higher-ups, and the stress that comes with that.

[@limiv5272]

@@SC2Owl I don't think people have holodecks in their homes, it seemed to always be a common resource, and that's where the problems would start. Even in ST universe things have a cost, you can't let everyone have everything for free

[@slevinchannel7589]

With the holo-emitters, you can literally shoot Imagination towards your enemys. So i would use it MUCH MORE. YET: Of yourse, especially Widowers would be prone to Holo-Sickness. I absolutely agree that Addiction would be a huge problem. Means: I would use it not everywhere but more than in Star Trek. More than them but not always.

[@jonathanmatthews4774]

I just pretend ST:D doesn't exist. Makes it easier for me to sleep at night.

[@LoreReloaded]

#realhero

[@thebudgieadmiral5140]

I pretend it is JJ Verse stuff. Fits visually and in tone of storytelling.

[@TheStarTrekApologist]

Really, cause I pretend TOS TNG and the first 6 movies are the only trek to exist. But may you find your way as pleasant. Although I do have to admit there is a space station called Deep Space 9 and there is a Doctor named Bashir and a bar tender named Quark there. Also O'Brian may or may not be posted there too. TNG was never clear about that.

[@monstarpaisley]

I disagree, that show and others on the horizon are nothing but copyright changes between CBS and Viacom, another KZbinr has a video on it and it explains why Star Trek changed! Awesome some coming and STD is going to keep getting better too. PS I hated it at first but I came around.

[@Epsilonsama]

I tell myself that as well until I got herpes.

[@wlessfanable]

One solution to the holodeck inconsistencies to consider.. Transporters. Those things that can convert matter to energy, send it wherever needed, change its form when needed, then materialize it? Mix this in with holodeck-tech and most of if not all paradoxes are taken care of.

[@Timberwolf69]

I think Data once said something about it... According to what I remember, the holodeck would combine holo-, transporter- and replicatortech to work its magic.

[@dragonson72]

Knowing the Enterprise-D had a school field trips would be off the chain School today- Class we are going to the museum to see the Dinosaurs TNG School-Class we are going to meet Dinosaurs up close and in person

[@RealBadGaming52]

and then somebody gets eaten

[@methos1999]

Nature finds a way...

[@BioGoji-zm5ph]

Computer, disable the safety protocols. There have been too many of these... children... running around my ship.

[@ThomasstevenSlater]

Somehow involving the Voth and/or Gorn.

[@tigersebel]

to holograpic food being replicated. In the voyager episode "the cloud" Tom Paris invited harry kim to the holographic bar he just created. harry kim said that he should not drink this late in which tom replied "It's just holographic wine". So maybe food isn't replicated after all (it would also be a waste of replicator rations for the voyager crew). Or maybe there are setting options for the holodeck if food should be simulated or replicated

[@stevenp3176]

tigersebel I think it was implied the wine was non alcoholic. Not that it wasn’t a ingested substance.

[@tigersebel]

if this was the case i think tom would have said "It's just synthehol" since this exist in star trek as a alternative for alcohol. but he specifically said it was holographic wine

[@stevenp3176]

tigersebel I really think he was just being snarky because Kim was being a wuss. It’s clearly replicated to be consumed. I doubt his stomach empties as soon as he leaves the holodeck.

[@tigersebel]

but wouldn't it be a waste of replicator rations? If i remember correctly the crew of the voyager needed to ration their replicator energy because they can't restock it regulary like the starships in the alpha quadrant who just need to fly to the nearest starbase. i doubt they would use it up for the holodeck.

[@DerpEye]

they ration the replicators use, yet they use the holodeck? It doesnt make any sense, but i think it's just a plot device. Both replicators and holodeck consume energy, and i think the holodeck actually requires more energy since it's basically a giant replicator of sorts.

[@BlueFieldGamer]

VR headset - you see the virtual world Holodesk - you exist in the virtual world

[@RelativelyBest]

I'll be honest: If holodecks were real, I would lock myself inside one and probably never come out. Screw reality, Imma be a Jedi. At Hogwarts. So yeah, _of course_ "holodeck addiction" would be a thing. That's what happens when you invent something better than reality. I was actually going to bring up the possibility of simply crewing a ship entirely with holograms because this occurred to me before you even brought it up. Have a whole fleet of ships commanded by copies of Picard and have everyone else be whoever was the best at their job, then throw them at the Borg or something. Assimilate _that,_ you space-zombie bastards. If holograms are so realistic they can learn from experience or gain enough awareness to circumvent their programming, why not take advantage of that? Another idea I've had is to build a sort of robot skeleton that projects a hologram of a person around them. Now you basically have terminators, except better because their exterior can't be permanently damaged and they can look like whoever they need to. Would probably be better at acting like real people as well. Give them Borg-style personal shields while you're at it, if only to make them a bit tougher. Might require a bit of miniaturizing of the technology, but it should be theoretically possible given what we've seen. Over-all I think Star Trek underestimates the potential of holographic technology, perhaps intentionally. It really is the kind of tech that would completely change society and you could focus an entire sci-fi setting on this one concept alone.

[@Starganderfish]

When you start talking about a completely holographic crew, why do you need the actual holograms and holoprojectors at all? It's the ship's computer that's running the simulations and the individual programs. The hologram is only needed for interacting with the outside world. If your whole ship is crewed by "holograms" what you actually have is a ship run by a bunch of computer programs, and you can just skip the physical manifestation and run the whole thing as a digital simulation. Remove all the corridors and quarters, remove all the open space - basically slap a warp engine onto the ship's main computer. The crew, the ship's simulated interior and everything else can just be simulated in the computer. Remember Moriarty in TNG (Ship in a Bottle)? At the end of the episode, Moriarty's program was transferred to a brief-case-sized memory module with enough capacity to simulate a whole universe for him. If you have a 100% holographic crew, you only need the computer capacity to run the programs and can skip all the holographic stuff. If you really want to, have a small meeting room with some holoprojectors for interacting with visitors and maybe a cupboard full of mobile emitters for away missions. As for the Terminator idea, instead just pump up the strength of the forcefield that the hologram is using to simulate their skin and physical body. Make the external "epidermis forcefield" as strong as a Borg's personal shield, then stick the Voyager Doctor's mobile emitter INSIDE the now bullet-proof body. You don't need the robot skeleton at all because your just generating a forcefield to simulate the outer surface of the soldier. Think Arnold Rimmer's "Hard-Light" hologram body from the middle seasons of Red Dwarf. If the outside of the hologram is tough enough (use those Borg-style personal shields you mention) then there's no need for anything inside the shield. It always annoyed me that the Doctor was explicitly made of "photons and forcefields", that Starfleet regularly used forcefields to protect fragile things from external damage, and yet they never thought to stick the Doctor's emitter INSIDE his body's forcefield? Even acknowledging that the forcefield that made up his physical form in the show was pretty fragile, it would still have stopped at least 1/3 of the "mobile emitter malfunctions" that he went through on the show, anytime he bumped into something or someone poked at his emitter.

[@jamesonmccandlish6735]

Can’t wait for the 200th anniversary version of Skyrim coming to a holodeck

[@TheNickscarface]

“Now you can upload the Adult mods for your Skyrim 200th Anniversary Edition!”

[@Cjnw]

Have you heard of the Holodeck Elves?

[@giin97]

Say it with me, Discovery isn't canon, Discovery isn't canon... ;) lol

[@jeramiah6244]

On Voyager, there was that ship of holograms, after getting real emotions, and such, they acted like slaves, being constantly hunted

[@RealBadGaming52]

the hirogen where great

[@1sennacherib]

If I was in Star Trek and had access to a holodeck.... I'd totally be playing Star Wars all the time. >_>

[@christopherfleetwood5252]

LOL, Now THAT is Heresy!

[@jalderink]

Then that STILL makes Star Trek, far superior to Star Bores..

[@TheNickscarface]

@@jalderink Yup. Holodeck make everything you can imagine.

[@glacierlegion9439]

You mentioned Star Wars on a Star Trek video... Get ready for the attack of the neckbeards.

[@Zsoltosz1]

So I hawe a question regarding this. What hapens to "materials human in origin" left behinde after use. Can you use a WC or a bush in the simulation, and the bult in repricator takes care of it (if i'm not mistaken it can also disintegrate stuf) or there is a unlucki felow who is responsibel of cleaning up?

[@TheGuardianofAzarath]

I'd love to have access to a holodeck. Could take a tropical vacation and wouldn't have to actually go anywhere :P

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

yeah and the whole time you'd be at home so if something happens, turn off the program and return to life....

[@sheilaolfieway1885]

@extremedude1234 in star trek yes ,but i think we could in reality recreate some of the effects.

[@JC-ze2et]

Would projectile weaponry be best against the borg? or would they simply adapt to repel bullets instead of beams?

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Another risk for any ship that had holo-emitters on every deck and in every section is that the computer could go crazy and then generate all sorts of horrors that immediately proceeded to kill the crew. This of course would be Plan B if some member of the crew managed to lock out primary systems in order to prevent the computer from depressurizing the ship or something of that nature.

[@optimuscprime]

What was the name of that planet in shore leave? Is it that kind of dangerous? and if the borg were on the simulated sun... Would that not destroy the ship or part of it as well??

[@ProtoPerson]

Quite frankly I don't give a damn what people do in their holodecks and I don't think we have any right to tell them what to do with it.

[@mrbooks5]

Do you have to turn the safeties off to drink "real" alcohol in the holodeck bars? Or does it just replicate synthehol?

[@jimhouse3081]

7:43 you are wrong. Captain Picard disengage the safety protocols meaning even holographic bullets can kill you. They would not just "disappear" when hitting the body

[@LoreReloaded]

..Yea, I explained why i feel i'm not.

[@OriginalPiMan]

The safety protocols are disengaged, but in order to project light somewhere, you need an uninterrupted line of sight from the projector. Holographic bullets could pierce the skin, but once inside the body they would disappear.

[@prion42]

An explanation I read somewhere is that any object you might pick up is replicated on the spot. So for some reason that program gave him a real Tommy gun.

[@Renji9031]

But if the bullets pierced the skin deep enough before disappearing, is not a hole in the body still a hole in the body?

[@OriginalPiMan]

@@Renji9031 When the target is a Borg, you probably want a deeper hole.

[@richardbradley2335]

Crew member '' Computer, 18th century parisian brothel program 17453753 Crew member walks into the holodeck next day ''ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH''

[@hrearden6993]

There was a holodeck in the animated series in the early 70's.

[@hackman669]

That makes the phrase Dance Fever have a new meaning.

[@rmeddy]

A den of Sin, fornication death, massacres, violence and untold amount of heresy?!! Well that sounds like a nice Tuesday evening for me

[@earnestbrown6524]

If you did the sun thing your ship would explode. I can't recall a starship surviving 1000000+ kelvin plasma in its passageways.

[@LoreReloaded]

We see holodecks project literal space, atmosphere, and explosions that are all self contained with in a holodeck - it works the same way.

[@seekertwo1]

Heat and radiation would work the same way, too. Do you want the ship to melt from the inside?

[@zombieshoot4318]

The explosions in a holodeck would naturally be more visual than actual. Consider if you exploded a holographic nuclear weapon on the holodeck. Obviously you're not going to destroy the ship. So the computer will simply make the nuclear weapon look impressive but it's actual effects will be eliminated. Literal space is just a vacuum. Which could kill of course. Atmosphere's could also kill depending on it's made of. But I can't see making a sun inside the ship. You could make it hot but if it's too hot you simply burn out your holographic computer. You'd never get it hot enough to be like an actual sun and if you could your ship would simply explode from the heat. You probably don't even have enough power from the ships engines to make that much heat (short of anti-matter/matter).

[@chrisf84]

I think the 'simulate a sun inside the ship' idea jumped the tracks. Safeties or not, I'm sure the holo-projectors have a limited power output what would prevent them from doing something like increasing perceived pressure to levels at which fusion occurs, 100s of g's of gravity, and raising the temperature to 11000K. It would probably be easier to place a quantum torpedo in every subsection with forcefields specifically designed to contain or redirect the blast. Or just holoproject an entire ship and disappear/reconfigure sections that are being boarded

[@earnestbrown6524]

Chris F Yes, all any starship needs to do is play with their gravity. Change it to 10g+ and most races we have seen in Star Trek would have a very bad day.

[@kylepederson9420]

I'd just spend all day having holographic celebrities from the 21st century sit on my face.

[@X-Posed23]

my Lawyer will be in contact with you about your use of my technical difficulty screen..

[@LoreReloaded]

Sweet.. we can discuss your entire fame based on bashing me :p

[@X-Posed23]

sure we can... but that does not involve copyright infringement...

[@RBsRealm]

Is this sarcasm of is this guy genuine about this?

[@vichodeivis1219]

How to read this: 1) Search in youtube: "Naruto OST Prophet + Krimson flames" from Markie S. 2) Find a way to take 4 min to read the 3 comments. instead of 20 seconds

[@AJZulu]

pfffff.

[@Raczoon]

No one on my ship would make the mistake of walking in on my holodeck sessions more than once, after seeing what I was up to.

[@thestoneddog]

I would have those doors locked so the could only be opened in an emergency and my programs would be heavily encrypt.

[@lynngreen7978]

There is actually a ship with holographic crew in the Voyager novels. However, I don't think it would replace organic crews. That issue was addressed in 1967, in The Ultimate Computer.

[@patrickwise8804]

We're being boarded! Computer, activate the emergency, naked space marines!

[@rubytuby6369]

Create your,,,Soulless Soulmate.

[@DoctorX17]

I agree that people would use holographic technology for all their sinful needs. I probably would get stuck in a holodeck. As for the bullets and the Borg... Keep in mind that the Borg are inside the holomatrix, and everything inside of them is also inside the holomatrix -- they don't need a holoprojector inside of them to allow the bullets to... y'know.... do the bullet stuff. As for food and drink on the holodeck... I'd imagine that if the computer can replicate real food, it can also be told _not_ to replicate it. Holograms are supposed to have all the appearance of substance that the real world has, which should include smells and flavors of foods, even if they're holographic and not replicated. If you could alter the setting, then if you wanted to, you could have a _literally zero calorie feast_ and enjoy the experience, but not have to worry about all those pounds you'd gain from actually eating it, because it would disappear when you left or turned off the program.

[@because4337]

Should have washed your more vibrant colors separately from your coat.

[@LoreReloaded]

Those colors make my avatar look so fat.. first thing i noticed.

[@FancyGeeks]

Now I'm going to redo them horizontal... and also use the liquefy tool to fatten you up.

[@briansinger5258]

“Stop stop stop stop” - Data, playing out murder fantasies to make him more human.

[@RavenEbony2267]

This might be the best video ever.

[@LoreReloaded]

I try

[@setojurai]

My opinion on holodecks: "I really don't want to be the janitor who cleans up the deck after Barclay's done with it"

[@tonebonebgky2]

A sexual assault of sorts to be sure! I must agree. BTW I like the holograms that disappeared immediately In the later episodes. I get what you're saying on the holograms running the ship but where's the fun in that, where's the exploration and don't forget that holograms are limited to a certain program, sure you had a few holograms that were lifelike and realistic like the doctor and Vic Fountaine but even they were generally built with limitations (for example the emh had a limited amount of memory and the had to graft the memory of 2 holographic characters together and although we never saw anymore trouble it doesn't mean they didn't) and those were purpose specific holograms and had specialized builders of those perspective programs (remember when Harry Kim tried to build a back up emh and failed dramatically, oddly enough the emh seemed to create a life like Cardassian doctor to help him save Torres so idk) the script is kinda confusing.

[@LoreReloaded]

A lot of people will debate me on that to the death, it's really interesting. I mean, It's fine.. I can respect someone's opinion - it's just interesting because i see it as so clear cut.

[@tonebonebgky2]

Lore Reloaded yeah it is kinda an inigma maybe it's a stigma that guys can't be sexually assaulted (which I assure you isn't true).

[@quoniam426]

The problem with holographic realistic defense systems is that they consume a LOT of power... power you don't necessariry have in surplus in a battle. Just look how difficult it was for Voyager to create holograms of three Talaxian ships to help them against the Kazons... but it was tactically sound, if that suicide guy didn't blow himself up next to an EPS conduit... it would have worked out. I'd like to send mentally ill people like the traders, (yeah I consider Trading as a mental illness, an addiction of some sorts, same for power hungry politicians) into Holodecks, ti would be the less inhuman punishment that could exist, they could continue their stupid life while letting the real world move on without those treacherous perverts... But less scrupulous people could also use Holodecks for reconditionning, dictatorship proaganda, conditionning people via traumatic experiences... It could also be used as a theraputic tool to make people realise how their emotions and desires work without endangering real people, as long as it is supervised bya competent doctor. Holodekcs could have infinite uses from fantasy to training but like evrything else it could become an instrument of evil. It is not the technology itself, but the way you use it and the purpose behind it that maters. In his books Shatner used Holographic tech as Lore described, the Sign Project (possibly a branch of Section 31) had fully holographic ships with holographic crews, or perhaps, these ships never existed in the first place and those experiences were just in a normal Holodeck... When Kirk was recussitated by Romulan/Borg tech, Romulan commander used Holodeck to retrain Kirk to hate Picard and the Federation making him forget who he truly was thanks to a Borg implant that controlled his pleasure center and was ultimately killing him after a certain time.

[@stephentaylor6726]

'...the script was kinda confusing.' That's just because it was poorly written.

[@Jack-pm1ve]

Don't forget the episode where somebody activated the doctors back up emitter any had to prove Voyager wasn't some sort of raging pirate mercenary ship why didn't they just tell their computer to whip me up a copy of Beverly Crusher to help out

[@nsg_kuunda4786]

Lore: "holodecks are fucking dangerous. Keep me away from them." Also Lore: "Let's make starships AI driven holographic deathtraps."

[@ExploringFate]

+Lore Reloaded I think Part 2 should cover Holographic rights and Holographic Self Awareness like The Doctor/Emergency Command Hologram (Voy: Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy episode) or his Holo-Novel (Voy: Author, Author episode) (Voy: Latent Image), The Police Office (TNG: The Big Goodbye), Yaderan (DS9: Shadow Play episode), Dr. Crell Moset (Voy: Nothing Human episode), Vic Fontaine - DS9, Moriarty - TNG, People of Fair Haven - Voy, Holo-Ship (Voy: Flesh and Blood episode), or when The Doctor visited Doctor Lewis Zimmerman (Voy: Life Line). Also (Voy: Worst Case Scenario) (TNG: The Big Goodbye) (Voy: The killing Game)example of Holodeck dangers with weapons hurting or killing. These compared to Android rights Data, ExoComps (TNG: The Quality of Life), Data's Daughter Lal (TNG: The Offspring episode), Hugh (TNG: I, Borg), One (Voy: DrOne episode), Seven of Nine anytime someone wanted to acquire her borg, think tank, ect., Lore - TNG, ect.

[@bezzie9]

Lower decks "Ive got her cleaning *BEEP* out of the holideck"

[@Midnight.Shadows]

There was something missing, in the Voyager Episode (Can't remember the name sorry) Where the Hirogen's take over the ship, to "Expand the Holodeck" They start installing holoprojectors OUTSIDE of the holodeck through corridors, but we never actually see them leave the holodeck until the massive explosion that blows a hole in the wall, implying that all you need to do to have a bigger holodeck is have more projectors and not really care if you need an open space to get there, it just happens. This also raises the idea that Holodecks can indeed damage the ship they're on, so a simulated warpcore explosion with safetys off would destroy the ship, same with a simulated omega particle. I believe it's also stated in DS9 that the Holodeck,Transporter, and Replicator are all basically the same technology just at different layers of complexity. Replicator is a holodeck that creates real holograms that don't fall apart when they leave, Holodeck is just a large replicator that doesn't fully replicate things, and the transporter is. . . well it's just a really sophisticated replicator. (See the TNG episode where they tried to transport a chair from the holodeck onto the transporter pad.)

[@tristang4138]

Remember that DS9 episode where they find a village that's actually some dudes hologram? Good stuff.

[@RealBadGaming52]

sad episode acually

[@SineN0mine3]

This episode still blows me away on rewatching. So well done.

[@AJZulu]

Heheheheheh. We all know what we would do.

[@LoreReloaded]

giggity

[@Predator42ID]

You just reminded me of that prank Kira pulled on Quarks costumer on DS9, that was hilarious. Computer? lusty Scarlet Johansson ( one slight tweak here and wait for it) What the AHHHHHH!! What? I thought you wanted a lusty scarlet, its not my fault she just happen to have a Xenomorph head on that body of hers. Stay tuned for tomorrow when we trick Bashier into watching Boku No Pico. Will he survive or will he be scared for life?

[@mgelliott1]

Surprised you did not mention inconsistency of Wesley getting wet with holographic (Fake) water, then walking out of the holodeck and getting the very annoyed Picard, wet. This is an inconsistency, along with clothes, and other items that seem to go in, and out, that door.

[@speelbergo]

my problem with trek is that they portray a world where we supposedly have overcome all poverty, war and disease, but somehow haven't overcome vice. Vice is the source of poverty and war so Trek is a huge contradiction. As long as mankind's hearts remain generally impure we'll never achieve the paradise they portray.

[@katakisLives]

But Star Trek has ended the problem of finite resources! whatever you want you can replicate! so no starvation, and with holodecks most vices can be dealt with in a safe environment!

[@katakisLives]

i think its not vice which causes all the ills you listed its a world of unequally distributed resources people who have nothing who see others with plenty purely on account of to whom you were born.

[@speelbergo]

respectfully disagree. wants are unlimited. So although there is only so much food one can eat in a sitting, so much sex one's body can have etc, sentient beings will continue to crave more specific, special, and rare things to feed their craving and so although the essentials are covered, it doesn't mean that resources are truly unlimited. The only way to truly satisfy desire is to surrender our desire for excess, not just give into it because it's readily available.

[@Krahazik]

My note, we also never really get to see much of the civillian world. We get hints and such but how much do we really see. Even within Starfleet, we do not really see all that much. Like watching the bridge officer of a single navy aircraft carrier and trying to get a picture of what the rest of humanity is like base don the very small sampling. And still, we would not be seeing much of what the rest of life aboard the ship is like for the other crewmembers? How many enlisted do we see on a reguar basis doing normal work aboard ship?

[@johnpatz8395]

speelbergo The issue is Gene Rodenberry's Star Trek utopia, is, just like Trek, fiction. History has shown, time and again that while you can't make everyone equally rich, it's fairly easy to make the bulk of a population equally poor. And they haven't eliminated war, Earth has simply come together to take war to the stars. And don't get me started on the whole fantasy of "not needing money," as tht has so many flaws as to make it even more laughable unrealistic than Gene's utopia.

[@supercalifragic1551]

That's a disturbing thought, that the holodeck could recreate your body for someone else's pleasure. And I mean without them even asking for it, but just throwing together an avatar of you to populate some scene from innocent to explicit. But I'm sure the tech is perfectly capable of designing custom bodies from what it knows people should look like. Though even then it would have to be deliberately inhibited from being able to model existing people otherwise anyone could bang "you" if they wanted. An unpleasant thought but it technically doesn't hurt anyone and I'm hesitant to suggest it should be banned.

[@SineN0mine3]

It gets creepier when you realise that (at least in Geordi's weird fantasy program) that the holodeck also draws on your psychological profile to imitate your behaviour and mannerisms. The first example doesn't seem that different than somebody having a wank over your picture, which while gross isn't a big enough concern to stop people posting photos publically to no end. Personally I'm more disturbed by the idea of someone having an intimate relationship with my personality but without my knowledge or permission.

[@p.bamygdala2139]

You dun good! Do the part 2! The big missing piece: simulation psychosis! What if a person is completely convinced that they are still in a simulation, or can decide if they are or aren’t? Barclay should’ve had that. Moriarty certainly would have, once he and the countess embarked on their space adventure. Surely he would have returned to Earth, testing the limits of the program to see if he was real. If it were me, I’d fly to Earth and look up Earth and meet with the family members of the Enterprise crew, to join in on a subspace call and see if “Picard” or whoever recognized me. Or I’d hack into “Starfleet” records and get the Enterprise crew logs. Unless the Enterprise crew was really careful, and planted fake logs of the events in case Moriarty tried that. Come to think of it, there’s probably a million things Moriarty could try to test his reality. I bet he’s figured it out already! And knowing that they’ve put him in there, all alone, he’s probably gone mad. There’s no one real to talk to, and he can’t communicate with his jailers. He’s probably seething. I feel a great swell of pity for the poor soul that comes to his holobox looking for trouble... Also, I was expecting more talk about holo-porn. It has to be done! Unless holotech is strictly military (ie. Starfleet) then it evolved in the private sector, and every major technology shift in our society has been brought about by porn: home video, the Internet, and a bunch of others. It’s imaginable that the holoporn industry generated obscene amounts of wealth for the early pioneers. Maybe that’s what Section 31 used to finance themselves in those centuries.

[@AeronHale]

Holodeck... aka the tech that would allow me to aquire an anime catgirl harem.

[@ivorybooker8957]

Porn. Just porn.

[@LoreReloaded]

#boom

[@celtichistory]

The internet is for porn

[@ivorybooker8957]

Anthony Dukes Computer, load the Mia Malkova and Daisy Stone program. Threesome. On the beach, late summer with a bottle of Jameson. Engage.

[@RegBeta]

@Ivory Booker 😆🤣😂😂😂

[@thestoneddog]

O yes i would create a 6'4 muscular amazonian program to be a gentle dom. that knew she was a hologram like Vic did and i would bring her on all my holo adventures. I would let her play the hero and come rescue me from the bad guys and of course what kind of damsel in distress would I be if I didn't let my hero take me. Id say since my holo girlfriend knew she was a hologram and i let her keep all her memories she at some point would become sentient. Hopefully if that happens she will still want to be with me.

[@endorbr]

If I had access to a holodeck, I would never leave the holodeck.

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

So many video that would rock a holodeck lol

[@athrunzala6919]

don't forget Troi's best line ever -- "Muzzle it"

[@Slappysan]

Keep the deck, give me the suite. :)

[@dearls921]

I can’t say I wouldn’t miss use it, but I’d definitely be addicted to it. Ultimate VR experience. Can’t wait for a part 2

[@wangbot47]

STRONGLY agree with your assessment of that Enterprise episode

[@LoreReloaded]

Indeed

[@Hermenie]

why?

[@wangbot47]

Rape

[@Hermenie]

Enlightening. Is your objection that the episode contains rape, or the way they handle the situation, or possibly the veiled allusions to abortion?

[@wangbot47]

William Rundquist i don't have an objection. I'm saying he's right that the episode was rapey

[@StephenGillie]

You'd think they could just "technomagic" themselves a holographic janitor to clean the room.

[@Marcus51090]

But according to federation law holograms have no rights so those hollow people gone get what I do to them and tough lol Also why not just have a holographic field generator that engulfed a field around the whole ship simple

[@LoreReloaded]

unless they are artists, then they have minor rights ;P

[@Marcus51090]

Lore Reloaded “I’m a doctor not a lawyer” lol haha

[@K162KingPin]

holo emitters on every deck for an EMH? how about holo emitters on every deck for EMP (emergency military personnel). If the Prometheus had holograms programed to protect the ship in the event of oh i don't know...being boarded by Romans then it probably would never have been hijacked. Since the holographic soldier would be firing a holographic weapon which "with the safety turned off" is apparently just as lethal a real weapon you wouldn't even need soldiers per say. All you would need is a bunch of holographic weapons around the ship ready to defend the ship from intruders. You could even have holographic batteries to run the system on if main power went down and holographic replicators or nanites or something to constantly repair any battle damage to the system, possibly the entire ship. I mean if you can have a holographic doctor then why not holographic solider and engineers. Holographic technology is one of the most overpowered and underused scify technologies in the star trek universe. Its a little ridiculous that they havn't taken more advantage of it. But then startrek likes to ignore practical applications the rest of us see as obvious. short list - subspace transporter used by a ferengi to kidnap picard. They figured out how to use it but it was "too dangerous for people" ok so what. use it to beam a nuke onto the next enemy ship you have to fight. Use it to transport relief supplies to a planet suffering catastrophe next time the enterprise just can't warp there in time. I mean cmon. there are so many things you could do with that tech besides send people. voyager has "slipstream" drive which can get them home in a matter of weeks. problem is their ship isn't designed for it so the slipstream becomes unstable after only a few seconds. two options. one...rebuild the superstructure of the ship to make it compatible with the technology. Might take a few years even but still much faster than the long road home. Two..use it in short burst. Considering even a few seconds in slipstream can cover as much distance as days at maximum warp you could still get back to earth in a couple years assuming you were not even doing it 24/7 voyager had coaxial warp drive installed on one of their shuttlecraft by seth an alien body snatcher. by the end of the episode they still had the shuttle with the functioning coaxial warp drive. yet they NEVER used it for anything. one. adapt it to voyager. two. if for some reason it will only work on small ships at least adapt it to the rest of the shuttles you have. they proved that they could build more shuttles after blowing up a dozen or so of them. so spend a few months, build a fleet of shuttles with coaxial warp and take everybody home that way. three. even if for some stupid reason you can't get it to work on any of your other shuttle or voyager at least send a small crew in that shuttle back to earth. They would take a couple weeks or months tops. Now the entire federation can look at the ship and figure out how to replicate the technology. abosolutely worst case scenario you use the ONE shuttle to ferry everyone back to earth over the corse of the next couple years. realistically though there is no reason why the federation couldn't replicate the technology once the prototype was back home. deepspace nine went to war with the dominion, a ruthless army of soldiers perfectly happy to ram your ship if the battle wasn't going well for them. federation ships can enter warp in less than 3 seconds any time they want. except apparently when there is an enemy ship about to ram them. wtf? "uh captain... theres like an enemy ship out there heading towards us. it uh...looks like they might ram us. could be because we took out their weapons. so like what should we do?" "hmm... i'll have to give this some careful thought. I mean we could just go to warp. Even better I could have told you years ago that any time an enemy ship is about to ram us that you should just immediately go to warp without asking me. But we havn't tried evasive maneuvers yet and the term "evasive maneuvers" sounds so good rolling off the toung. Besides its kind of like dodging a punch and less like running away. Yea yea ok i've decided. Forget the surefire warp away strategy and lets go with evasive maneuvers. Why did NOONE in the history of startrek EVER try warping a ship into a planet? Like on purpose as a weapon. Take a warp drive, wrap it in layers of combat steel, put an energy shield around that and set it on autopilot for cardasia prime. Warp drive isn't like a hyperdrive. warp doesn't take you out of normal space. thats why they have to plot a course around objects. startrek enterprise. How many times were they in battle and barely survived? They were perfectly willing to destroy an enemy ship they just didn't have the ability. They had functioning transporters? Yea the people were a little scared of them but they worked fine for cargo. Almost NO ships back then had energy shields. They could have just transported nukes onto the enemy ship set on a 1 second timer. Why did almost every ship design by the federation or anyone else put the bridge of the ship on the front or top of the ship? There are no windows to look out. Everything is done with the "view screen". so they have cameras and telescopes all around the ships exterior and they bring up a certain camera depending on what they want to look at. It makes perfect sense and some military vehicles do the same thing today. That way the people in side cant be shot at through something as fragile as glass. If you lose the camera that sux but at least ur not dead. So all of these starships use the same system because lets face it. If you could look out a window in space... it would only be good for seeing things that are extremely large or extremely close to you. So WHY did they put the bridge of the ship on the front of the ship? or even on the outside? You have to know that when you ever get into a fight an your shields finally fail that the bridge is a primary target for the enemy. So why wouldn't you put the bridge in the middle of the ship? I mean it should be one of the hardest things to destroy. Why is everybodys console always exploding? I dont care what kind of battle damage my computer takes. My keyboard and mouse will never explode from it. Pretty sure my monitor wouldn't either. LCD ftw. Even if there was some reason why they needed that much power running through their keyboard so that it had even the most remote possibility of ever exploding why dont they use surge protectors, breakers, or even good old fashion fuses? startrek tng one of their captains broke the treaty with the romulans and developed a cloak/phase device. 20 years later he coerced riker into helping him salvage it after a mutany lost his prototype. why in 20 years he never just build another one is beyond me but whatever. so they have the original and it works so well that it takes 10 mins to slap it onto the enterprise to escape from an asteroid the romulans had sealed them inside of. picard is so butt hurt over the treaty being broken that he uses the device to get out of the asteroid " a clear violation of the treaty" and then in the most monumental act of utter stupidity he turns the thing off right in front of the romulans. On the one had picard was way way to smart not to understand how important that technology was. The only reason you have a treaty with anyone is because they could be a threat to you. Once the rest of the federation ships had the cloak the romulans wouldn't be a threat. Even a dozen of them could stop any serious war effort on the part of any known species at the time "they hadn't met the krenim yet". regardless of the fact that picard should have been perfectly willing to ignore the treaty and keep the technology and tell the romulans to suck it due to their repeated violations of the treaty of the years its absolutely ridiculous that they confronted them they way they did. I mean it sounds all knoble like "we are doing the right thing" but think about it from the romulans point of view. You knew that there was some experimental technology out there on an old ship. Now you are confronted with the FACT that the enterprise has recovered it and is using it on their ship. Regardless of anything picard could say. You are the romulan captain. On the one hand you should immediately attack the enterprise and attempt to take the technology. Again knowing it is a prototype that the rest of the federation doesn't have yet. EVEN IF you didn't try to take it at the very very least there is no way in hell you are going to let the enterprise warp away and take that back to the federation. I mean there is technology on the enterprise that will END your way of life are you really not going to do everything in your power to stop it from being shared with the rest of the federation? Regardless of whether or not the romulans believe picard he has to know that its not really up to him. Its going to be up to someone else higher up in the federation as to what to do about it.

[@Ironfrenzy217]

I'll take Star Trek over Warhammer 40,000 any day.

[@briancampbell1645]

There were teenagers on the Enterprise-D. When I was fifteen I'd have had one and only one use for a holodeck. Many of the other comments refer to that use.

[@hackman669]

Well the safeties exist fir a reason. Remember to complete your holo paper on Mars before using the holodeck!

[@David_J.E.]

I'd recreate *you* on the Holodeck Lore. Ifyouknowwhatimsayin' ;v

[@LoreReloaded]

Giggity

[@Prisoner_849]

I don't understand why people get upset over Sex and Violence on the Holodeck. Holodecks basically replaced Video Games and Television it's pure entertainment for recreation.