Tech Talk - Electric Car Charging

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Electric Classic Cars

Electric Classic Cars

2 жыл бұрын

Here's our latest Tech Talk all about electric car charging. From granny cables to rapid charging we try to cover all the bases in this video.
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@stuntmanwill
@stuntmanwill 2 жыл бұрын
This is such an excellent point that as a ‘conventional’ car driver has never crossed my mind, we are always too concerned about how long the charge will be yet it’s completely irrelevant. Most electric cars have a minimum of 100 mile range, when do you regularly drive more than that in one trip? My commute is a 45 min drive which I would consider fairly long yet it’s still only 21 miles each way. So even a 50 mile range would cover my commute until I’m back home to charge again! No need to charge mid way! Thank you!
@rogereverett9095
@rogereverett9095 2 жыл бұрын
Untrue!!!! How many mk1 and mk2 leafs were produced , most 'new' electric cars !!
@stuntmanwill
@stuntmanwill 2 жыл бұрын
@@rogereverett9095 what’s untrue?
@rogereverett9095
@rogereverett9095 2 жыл бұрын
You said most ev's have at least 100 mile range., I guess what you meant were most new cars. Out of the 400k registered evs on uk roads there's more 200k of older pure ev's on the road with less than 100 miles range. Ie leafs , Zoe's, mini's ,smarts, etc. Very few of those generation of cars have actually been scrapped.
@stuntmanwill
@stuntmanwill 2 жыл бұрын
@@rogereverett9095 i thought all those you just mentioned do have at least a hundred mile range?
@rogereverett9095
@rogereverett9095 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately not , 24kw leaf 85miles, 30kw 105miles , Zoe 22kw , about 90miles , when new, but...... after degradation and 97k miles my 24kw leaf will do 72miles. A friend has the 30kw and only get 74miles(apparently batteries are not so good). We love our leaf had it 4 years, paid 7k and we have borrowed the new leaf demonstrator from nissan dealer, but honestly for 30k it's pretty much the same car apart from range of 147miles. Infact lower spec'd So I'm looking into upgrading the battery to 40kw or an extender pack, but unfortunately the company doing the conversions in uk have been having issues with the kits
@LosZonga
@LosZonga 2 жыл бұрын
I just love this is simple clarification, had a debate on other EV channel about this set of mind: you start with a full charged car so most of daily driving or even a big part of the driving is done with a charged car and you always can find a plug at the destination while not most of friends have a petrol station at home ;) Thank you for making that clear.
@timothyratcliffe4471
@timothyratcliffe4471 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard. Love your tech series. Just a little pointer on this subject relating to "Granny" charging. We have done this when away just out of interest with our Leaf and been very surprised, using the logic as you say of when you stop you plug in, we were easily able to cover our charging needs while on a stay in the new forest. In fact having travelled 200 miles to the destination and driven around various engagements whilst there, we had 95% charge ready for the home trip. So while granny's slow she should'nt be dismissed!
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry if I seemed to dismiss them, that wasn't my intention. I've often used them at destinations, like the mother in law's, who don't have a 7kw wallpod. They can be very useful. 👍
@shantipless5846
@shantipless5846 2 жыл бұрын
Yes- I commuted to work for years with just the level 1 wall outlet charger- got about 50 miles a night.
@jeffreyquinn3820
@jeffreyquinn3820 Жыл бұрын
At any place in Canada or the northern US, a lot of workplaces & the majority of apartment/condos already have plug-ins for the block heater that will handle the granny cables. You'll find the odd parkade & hotel parking lot that do as well, but I expect EV charging is something hotels will start offering soon, if they don't already. The largest gas station owner in Canada is already converting gas stations in British Columbia to "premium fueling/charging destinations" with coffee shops, restaurants, kids play areas & short walking paths, & will start in Ontario in a year or two. I think the idea is to stop every hour or two to recharge your car & yourself for ten or 15 minutes, but they're foreseeing a lot of profit changing from selling gas to selling electricity.
@jw1oon
@jw1oon 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for covering both the US & UK/Euro standards. This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels!
@glenhardy4770
@glenhardy4770 Жыл бұрын
+Joe Wagner I second your comment.
@martingarrish4082
@martingarrish4082 Жыл бұрын
Finally, someone has explained the various charging standards to me in a clear and concise way! Thanks. 👍
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@bmwalker89
@bmwalker89 2 жыл бұрын
You are smashing out the content. Another great video, full of clear information.
@rickbean2170
@rickbean2170 2 жыл бұрын
Had an EV for 3 years and didn't understand the technical differences between the types. Tx for improving my breadth of knowledge
@jimbrear6636
@jimbrear6636 2 жыл бұрын
I love the conversations, but the tech talks are giving me such a great understanding of how the various elements fit together. Your clear no BS explanations really help. Thank you.
@rickwheeler6811
@rickwheeler6811 2 жыл бұрын
These tech talk vids are great. Thanks Rick Newfoundland
@TheKnightsShield
@TheKnightsShield 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video with the electric motorcycle you briefly showed in this video? It looked pretty cool from what I saw of it.
@SequoiaElisabeth
@SequoiaElisabeth Жыл бұрын
Best explanation I have heard about charging! Thanks for sharing!
@glenhardy4770
@glenhardy4770 Жыл бұрын
Thank You for explaining what you have! I live in California and hope to convert my 1961 Chevrolet Apache to electric one day.
@rossgebert9422
@rossgebert9422 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic episode. Love these TECH TALK's. Can't wait for a series of Build videos.
@aaaa-ig6sc
@aaaa-ig6sc 2 жыл бұрын
@15:20 Worth mentioning with three-phase, public charging is at 400V, and it's square root of three because of the Wye connection. 32A * 230V * 0.001 = 7.4kW 32A * 400V * √3 * 0.001 = 22kW 400 / √3 = 230 Whilst 230V is the on paper target (+/- 10%), most of UK homes are around 240V and some up to 253V (230*1.1) The cars onboard inverter is still the limitation so the extra kW isn't useful. Modern EVs opting for a 7.4 (single-phase) 11kW (three-phase) AC max and use CCS for rapid. The 11kW comes from 16A even with 32A 16A * 400V * √3 * 0.001 = 11kW Rather than the 22kW and 43kW onboard that older cars like the Zoe had.
@d.beaumont9157
@d.beaumont9157 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant presentation Richard, nothing would make me happier than to plug my vw crafter in when I get home and never stop at a petrol station again.
@humphreybradley3060
@humphreybradley3060 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Moggy. The estimate is for the average EV owner charging 60% at home, 20% at work, 20% on the road
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
I've read a few articles in the past and they're always around +90% for home charging, around 7% charging at destination and around 3% on route. co-charger.com/knowledge-base/a-simple-guide-to-charging-an-ev/
@Yaaayishere
@Yaaayishere 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent teck talk. I like to refer to chargers in miles per hour as it relates more to daily use. So the granny charger is about 6 miles per hour, the 7kw home charger is 24 or so and the DC chargers are 150-1000 miles per hour.
@deltajohnny
@deltajohnny 2 жыл бұрын
Very useful data! 👏👏👏
@twillems2285
@twillems2285 2 жыл бұрын
I understand your preference but not all electric vehicles have the same efficiently. Other conditions such as weather, temperature and driving style have significant impact on efficiency and thus range. to put this into perspective. a V12 Ferrari and a inline 4 Volkswagen have completely different fuel consumption. if we compare fuel pumps using km/s your results will depend on the fuel consumption of the vehicle.
@jeffreyquinn3820
@jeffreyquinn3820 Жыл бұрын
I believe the new Hummers & maybe Esplanades have battery packs that split into two for rapid charging and can be plugged into two rapid DC chargers at once, or one charger with two outputs or something.
@cmoor7928
@cmoor7928 2 жыл бұрын
Great lesson for all of us Richard, thank you. By the way, keep bringing you're amazing and innovative creations on to Carwow, and showing the broader audience just how much better, efficient, and simple the electric world is. Cheers
@stephen_101
@stephen_101 2 жыл бұрын
Those defenders drag racing was epic - Richard and the ECC electric defender did incredibly well against those powerful V8s 👏
@cmoor7928
@cmoor7928 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephen_101 too right! And I have to say ... the Beetle against the Porsche was my favorite David vs Goliath scenario to date.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I certainly enjoyed making the Carwow vids, but it's up to Carwow if they want me back, I'd love to do it every week if I could. :-)
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephen_101 Thanks. I probably would have won all the drag races if the battery wasn't sub-zero. It got faster as I did more runs, as the battery had time to warm up. But I think 0-60 in 3.8 seconds is fast enough in a Land Rover. :-)
@allterrainrandy2587
@allterrainrandy2587 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricClassicCars dang, that’s faster than my Tesla P85! I guess awd, and the bigger battery is the difference?
@ian-lg6vu
@ian-lg6vu 2 жыл бұрын
Hi I have an Mg5 long range I charge at work once a week from around 40% to 80% on a granny charger and once a month I do a balance charge up to 100% on the granny charger at work So as you say the car is working for you while it’s parked up I have only rapid charged 3 times and that is when I’m on holiday from work Really enjoying these tech talks and vintage voltage on the tv Cheers Ian 😃👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@CrownRider
@CrownRider 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thanks. Normally I charge the battery when it is at 30-35% up to 80-85%, overnight. Only when I have a long trip the next day, I charge it up to 100%.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect. 👍👍👍
@R08Tam
@R08Tam 2 жыл бұрын
I do a lot of camping. Two of my favourite sites are quite happy to let me plug the granny charger in on the pitch. It's great waking up every morning to a fully charged car ready to go exploring. I think that sites are more and more going to find that this is a selling point.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I've been doing that for years at campsites in my VW Bus. 👍
@Lesjaye
@Lesjaye 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2017 30kw/hr Nissan leaf with 3.3kw max charger. I use portable (granny charger) for 99% of my charging needs. It is plugged into cooker outlet with 30 amp wiring. It doesn’t get hot or even warm at all. There is a temp sensor in plug which reduces charge in such event. My car is parked 25 metres away from my consumer unit! I was quoted £1500 which included grant for 7kw smart charger. That’s £1500 for an extra 1.1kw charge speed! True!…..it doesn’t have pen fault detection. Leaf has a charging timer for smart tariffs.
@gavin6538
@gavin6538 2 жыл бұрын
Clear information as always from Electric Classic Cars. Looking forward to having made space in the garage and joining the EV world.
@ewanhetherington8073
@ewanhetherington8073 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a great series to get your head around e/v conversion. Love it
@genestatler2514
@genestatler2514 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that was a great job of explaining the somewhat confusing charging system.
@ianmangham4570
@ianmangham4570 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid, one of my favourite channels, 👍🙏🇬🇧😎
@stuartwatts3015
@stuartwatts3015 Жыл бұрын
Mate, awesome vids. I’m an auto electrician in NZ and currently studying level 5 in electric vehicle auto engineering. The way you cover off how EV’s are used and charged is something that’s missing from my studies. It’s at least as important if not more so than the technical information covered off in my studies. Thanks heaps!
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome. Good luck with your studies. 👍
@1964FordMustang
@1964FordMustang 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are getting better and better. Thank you! Simply great to look and „learn“. And this green Defender in the back - just outstanding (hope to get such Land Rover conversations from ECC in Europe (Switzerland) soon.
@woody4431
@woody4431 2 жыл бұрын
Another really useful video with just the right amount of detail. Keep them coming...
@malcolmbindon5911
@malcolmbindon5911 2 жыл бұрын
Started watching all your previous vids 😎. Your a bad man ,now I’m thinking of converting a mk1 Audi TT to electric ⚡️ 👍 👍 👍.
@stophdoggy6625
@stophdoggy6625 2 жыл бұрын
An episode on optimal battery placement when doing a conversion would be interesting. Many conversations have batteries in boot spaces, or too much battery weight over the front wheels (in place of the engine). The low mounted under floor placement of the batteries is optimal but is it possible with a classic conversion? Has anyone out there attempted this? Super Fast Matt’s ol’ Jag is one that I’m aware of but the modern car is quite a different challenge.
@evs2k
@evs2k 2 жыл бұрын
We don't often have a lot of choice. Superfast Matt has the ability to install Model 3 batteries because of his huge Jag. The rest of us are just cramming them in where ever they fit.
@scottcarr3264
@scottcarr3264 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, "SuperfastMatt" has done a Vintage Jaguar with tesla battery under the floor.
@RedBatteryHead
@RedBatteryHead 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Great to see the inboard charges are that small already.
@ginggur17
@ginggur17 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve never known much about the charging side, brilliant Richard Thankyou.
@karlgt9989
@karlgt9989 2 жыл бұрын
Love these tech talks, you make things sound so simple. I would love it if you could cover how you would go about deciding what the optimal system is to install in the classic you are converting. So, how do you calculate the motor size, the battery pack etc is it just based on power the client wants or the range, or both?
@davidearle2514
@davidearle2514 2 жыл бұрын
Although I'm an avid follower of your content and your videos are brilliant. Not everyone has the facility to charge from home (e.g. living in a flat or have to park off road).
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
That's totally correct. Only 75% of car owners in the UK have access to off street parking the other 25% have to charge at publicly available chargers. My father lives in a flat and chargers up at Tesco when he shops, at public car parks and at other free chargers. We call him the Plug Pirate, because if there's a free charger, he's there. I can't remember many free petrol stations back in the day. 😆😁👍
@plugpirate
@plugpirate 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricClassicCars yep that's me, plug pirate 😂🤣😂 (Dad) on Electric motorcycle.
@rogereverett9095
@rogereverett9095 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricClassicCars , ye there are a lot of retired ev owners who just seem to leave their ev's plugged in on charging points for hrs it seems!!! Podpoint seems to have prob with this, why do people insist on charging to 100% when they are on 90% on a 200mile range car
@micheltebraake7915
@micheltebraake7915 2 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting series, clear explanations.
@auldm
@auldm 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying these tech talks, clear and informative. I'd like to know is it possible to diagnose that one faulty cell in a battery pack?
@richardwhitear7918
@richardwhitear7918 2 жыл бұрын
A very interesting video, and well explained.
@StationGarageSt
@StationGarageSt 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation of a complicated subject.
@nagki
@nagki Жыл бұрын
Wonderful talk. Love it!
@mrmawson2438
@mrmawson2438 2 жыл бұрын
Well said mate
@hevendranarayansamy2793
@hevendranarayansamy2793 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Moggy. I'd love to know how the ac and heating systems works. Please do a video. Does the batteries require their own heating and cooling separate from the occupants of the car?
@scottcarr3264
@scottcarr3264 2 жыл бұрын
Short answer, ...Yes.
@sydneyg007
@sydneyg007 2 жыл бұрын
I really like your explainations on why charge speed is not as important as most people that haven't had an EV think it will be. My only bugbear is referring to an EVSE (charger interface cable) as a "Charger" and the fact that there is no such thing as a "Home Charger". There are higher rated EVSE's/granny cables that can do 7kw no problem. The bigger wall mounted box's are just more expensive non portable EVSE's. We have a 32amp power point with an up to 7kw adjustable portable EVSE. To be honest we very rarley use it at 7kw and 90% of the time have it turned all the way down to 8AMPs (1.8kw). The bonus is that they are way cheaper than a non portable version and we can take it with us!
@KiwiNeale
@KiwiNeale 2 жыл бұрын
When I tell people about charging an EV on longer journeys (we have a Tesla Model 3) I say the method is to do "top ups". Travel a couple of hours and have stretch, loo break, or a coffee, and do a charging top up at the same time. Apart from long journeys, we never have to stop for a charge.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. 👍
@nickcooper14
@nickcooper14 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. I’m learning more and more with each video👍🏼👍🏼🇦🇺
@Hyfly13
@Hyfly13 2 жыл бұрын
People underrate the granny charger. With no off street parking we've been using that as our primary device for two successive cars over six years. Typically it charges around 7 mph (adds 7 miles range per hour of charging) which means two or three times a week we plug it in overnight and 10 hours will add 70 miles. You need to know how to look after your cables (cable protector over the pavement, rain proof 13a extensions) and understand how not to overload your ring main or overheat (always fully uncoil extension leads). Of course it's slow but as Richard says, you wake up and leave the house with a full (enough) battery for the day. Occasionally we'll use a public charger, or a free destination ( eg supermarket) Fast Charger and they are quicker, or for the 6 days a year we do a long haul we can Rapid charge (even faster) on the motorway while we stop to pee. I don't spend any time charging - the car does it ;)
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Free chargers are great. Never seen a free petrol station though. 😆👍
@dixonsindorset
@dixonsindorset 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Richard. Loving the tech talks, thanks. An idea for a future episode is to show us what goes on at the other end of the CCS cable, inside the car. There must be a normal(ish) AC charger for a type 2 connection, but what kind of electronics handle the DC? Or is it an expensive combined unit?
@andrewtaylor641
@andrewtaylor641 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, loving this in depth dive tech talks. 400v vs 800v be interesting plus grounding as I near some cars can be picky about the chargers they use (eg. Zoe). Why can some cars charge at 50kw and others at 300kw? Keep up the good work, really enjoying these.
@MrVwant
@MrVwant 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Tech Talks. More please
@andreasjunkpost
@andreasjunkpost 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for great video. Please do post regular update as technology advances.
@waynethefridgemanosborne8984
@waynethefridgemanosborne8984 2 жыл бұрын
great information as always. got me thinking about converting my SIAC g10 but not sure where to start .
@ivandiamond4640
@ivandiamond4640 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great, informative discussion and demonstration... Your passion and dedication is a real credit to the EV transport transformation.. Great job.. looking forward to catching up on your next Tech Talk.. BR, many thanks :-)
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.😁👍
@georgedaville4662
@georgedaville4662 2 жыл бұрын
Another very useful and high clarity of content video. This video ought to be available to everyone who has an electric car, it is soo good 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿😎
@heinzruffieux5817
@heinzruffieux5817 Жыл бұрын
Very well presented! Thanks a lot.
@cristianfederico2411
@cristianfederico2411 2 жыл бұрын
Very good video, very well explained!
@sambale9527
@sambale9527 2 жыл бұрын
Doing good work mate
@andrewsalmon100
@andrewsalmon100 Жыл бұрын
This is a terrific explanation. Thanks so much. X
@tesla-spectre
@tesla-spectre Жыл бұрын
Very nicely done!
@jossentjens7154
@jossentjens7154 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for these Tech Talk, highly appreciated!! couple of questions on charging; - Does speed of charging impact battery life? - The battery of my PHEV is limited to ~80%, apparently to warrant battery life, is that a charging issue of battery issue?
@simonyoung4722
@simonyoung4722 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic presso on charging Richard, at last I have understood some of the wiggly amps world 🙂
@elmakcnc5960
@elmakcnc5960 2 жыл бұрын
Again plenty useful information about electric cars ,thank you very nice video.regards
@bluegoka
@bluegoka Жыл бұрын
That first bit must pertain to the UK for sure. Where I live most people can’t charge at home, nor work and the chargers are concentrated in the capital city and are either full or inoperative.
@nicolahornsby4501
@nicolahornsby4501 2 жыл бұрын
Another great tech talk. Could you add in the approx costings of the chargers / batteries and ancillaries as this would be very interesting to know too. Thanks 😊
@taktileinnovation9415
@taktileinnovation9415 2 жыл бұрын
Great series of talks. I'm interested in the control side. What you use to replace the old ignition switch, dials etc and can you read more specific information in the way that you can get information out of an engine management system today.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Good questions, we'll cover those on a future Q&A video. 👍
@1starfight1
@1starfight1 Жыл бұрын
Great video and clear informations, I was wondering of you ( or any viewer ) ever worked ( or plan to ) on an Audi TT Mk1 ?
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars Жыл бұрын
Not yet!
@deltajohnny
@deltajohnny 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting information! 👏👏
@Senna007uk
@Senna007uk 2 жыл бұрын
Another great informative and interesting video, these more tech focused videos are excellent yet still get the information across without getting too complicated for those new to the technology. I have a quite specific question - Does the charger have to be permanently connected to the battery system onboard the vehicle? or could you have it offboard and connect it just for charging? The reason i ask is im making an EV kart and keeping weight down on the actual kart is critical to performance so having the charger offboard would make a big difference.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Great question. On the race car I'm building I'm having my charger off vehicle to save weight. 👍
@itchywitchy
@itchywitchy 2 жыл бұрын
You are right about charging, it's definitely a mindset shift and the analogy I use when talking to people is that you leave home with a full 'tank' of electrons. I very rarely use public chargers and I suspect that's true for most EV owners who can charge at home.
@murrieteacher
@murrieteacher 2 жыл бұрын
good video mate.
@johnshuker8892
@johnshuker8892 2 жыл бұрын
Great video I like the tech talk. Is there there a limit on how quickly you can get the energy back into the batteries themselves, you talked about the rapid charging, can the batteries or type limit how fast they can be charged . I'm thinking cooling as 1 issue. Also will it affect there life? John
@Jcewazhere
@Jcewazhere 2 жыл бұрын
I like to say a basic wall outlet, here in the states that's 120v @8 amps, will get you 3 miles per hour into your battery. A dryer or other large appliance outlet, or an installed charger, will get you around 30mph. And a DC fast charger will get up to 300mph into your battery. There's a lot of simplification in that, but it's easy to say and clear enough. I've owned my Bolt for about a year and a half, still don't have a fast charger installed at home. Do almost all of my charging on a 'granny cable'. Only need public charging on road trips. 3mph overnight, plus sometimes more at the destination, is plenty for 90% of the trips I make.
@tomorrow-man
@tomorrow-man 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic explanations - I've been driving EV's for nearly 3 years and I'm learning from these
@stefansmith7054
@stefansmith7054 2 жыл бұрын
The best explanation I've ever heard! Thank you. I've never thought of it that way about chargingspeed but as you said most people out there are comparing chargingspeed with the time it takes to fill the tank with 70 liters of fossil fuel.
@stooartbabay
@stooartbabay 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, your videos have cleared up everything for me :)
@stooartbabay
@stooartbabay 2 жыл бұрын
Have you guys ever done an Austin 1800 conversation? Thanks :)
@michaelbedard7859
@michaelbedard7859 9 ай бұрын
Well explained mated🎉
@dazgreen
@dazgreen 2 жыл бұрын
You can’t say that people need to stop worrying about how long they take to charge. If someone’s driving 250 miles a day they need to know how long they’re going to be stuck at the service station for on the way home. It’s a very important factor if you’re not going to be charging overnight
@Vintage_Volts
@Vintage_Volts 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for another tech talk! Love these, they are very good at braking it down to basics, we all need refreshers on those. What i would find really interesting if you could go into, is 1. How do you make battery boxes……more importantly what do you put in them and what do you put outside of them, ei contractors, fuses etc. Also 2, but still goes with the battery box questions, is how do you run the cables through the car, so what type of grommets do you use in and out of the battery boxes, and generally in the car? When do you use bus bars and when just cables…….. So i would love to Hear you do a deep dive on these questions:-). Thank you
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good topic for a tech talk Tom. Inside battery boxes. 👍 How's the Beetle going?
@Vintage_Volts
@Vintage_Volts 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricClassicCars yeah it’s going great even though as always I wish I had more time!! I am now finally done with all the air suspension prep (tanks electricity manifold and air hoses are all in) and now I am changing out all hardware under the car, really fun and good quality stuff from LimeBug:-))
@rushja
@rushja 2 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation! You didn't cover the Toyota self charging system. They do one that you don't need to plug in, it just magically charges. I'm being facetious 😏
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Good point. I'll be covering self charging hybrids in a future video, along with perpetual motion machines, fairy dust and unicorns. 😆🤣😂😜👍
@tommulcahy6075
@tommulcahy6075 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been driving a home conversion since 2015 and have never had to charge my car anywhere other than in my garage. I’d love to get some insight into how you manage to keep the controller cool..
@WestfieldFreshAir
@WestfieldFreshAir 2 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks. I looked up charger efficiency after seeing all the cooling fans and heat sinks. They appear to be around 93%. This should be considered in overall EV efficiency.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
We do take that into account in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnzYfJiBmrp5irM
@sandywebster1529
@sandywebster1529 2 жыл бұрын
As far as I gather, provision of rural charging points is still rather sparce, and I have friends who have encountered charging points out of order. Also in rural areas single points can often be occupied. Even at filling stations you can ending up queing at times. So overall theprovision of charging points remaind a problem in many areas. Thanks for the videos.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
I live in a very rural part of Wales and haven't found a problem charging. 👍
@iancurry8504
@iancurry8504 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a million for the great Tech Talks. Where can I find the Tech Talk on battery management systems? Thanks
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
We'll do one of those in the future for sure. 👍
@SniperSnake50BMG
@SniperSnake50BMG 9 ай бұрын
Very good content. One question. I have an electric motorcycle that is 87.6v 160Ah for a total of 14kwh LFP and I really want to be able to charge in a station unfortunately I know DCFC is out of the question but being able to charge in a AC ~20kw station would be a total win. How I could achieve it?
@mavenmavenpest1750
@mavenmavenpest1750 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative thanks. Question- is there any benefit to letting the battery run down and then recharging to full (or near full) ? Would that preserve the battery life ? Also do you think there will ever be a model where the battery pack is so small that you will pull in, unload your used battery and plug a fresh one in? Like a closed loop of batteries just being swapped around between vehicles.
@MrHemlock51
@MrHemlock51 2 жыл бұрын
There’s a couple of Chinese car companies working on battery swap technology and have stations that can automatically change a battery pack in a couple of minutes. Being an authoritarian country helps because the government can tell different companies to cooperate in designing a universal battery standard. That would never work under our capitalist system.
@poxcr
@poxcr Жыл бұрын
Even the slow 'granny chargers' can be sufficient if your daily mileage is not too high, which is usually the case for city cars.
@locknut5382
@locknut5382 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard. 🙂👍 So, am I right in thinking that, with a simple peak power management system, you can trickle-charge with DC directly from a solar PV system if the panel voltage is high enough? That would eliminate DC - AC and then AC - DC conversion losses.
@Ratty_Rex
@Ratty_Rex 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation and history of the charging. Am I right in thinking that you can use a type 2 charger on the CCS too?..... it just won't charge at the DC higher rate..... just "normal" type 2 (or phase 3) All we need now is for petrol stations to have as many charging points as petrol pumps..... and all car parks to have 50% (eventually 100%) of the spaces to have charging points too. 👍😉
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can charge using the Type 2 charger on a CCS. 👍
@MrKjetil101
@MrKjetil101 2 жыл бұрын
Your petrol pump charger is awesome😍 I want one so bad😩
@123rkss
@123rkss 2 жыл бұрын
granny cable is more than enough for most people. unless you drive more than 150 km per day. overnight charging via granny cable covers that up nicely. say you come home at 8 pm and have to leave at 7 am. thats 11 hours of 2.5 kW, will give you 27.5 kWh > more than enough to cover 150 km however, you have to make sure that your wall outlet can support that load for extended periods of time
@rikardottosson1272
@rikardottosson1272 2 жыл бұрын
What are the smallest conversions where you fit CCS? To me - I don’t mind non-Tesla like range in let’s say some converted sports car, because fewer batteries => less weight, but then it would still be really nice with some rapid charge capability for the occasional road trip.
@JamieLovick
@JamieLovick 2 жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity, what brand chargers are you using these days? Are the CAN messages typically programmable? I'm looking for an option to upgrade my OBC/DCDC on a Mitsubishi i-MiEV and change it from a J1772 to a to 3 phase Type 2.
@winkcla
@winkcla 2 жыл бұрын
You didn't cover which DCFC controllers are available for conversions! I know about the kit from Zero EV, are there other options? I've heard people re-use OEM hardware with reverse-engineered protocols as well. All options still seem very costly for something that "just" needs to talk from the BMS to the DC charger. Other fast charging question just out of curiosity: are you able to get AutoCharge to work on your conversions? (like Fastned/EnBW). As I understand it uses some sort of unique identifier that is part of the CCS protocol, I wonder how this value is set when using a CCS kit, and whether it will be whitelisted in Fastned and other's databases.
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff 2 жыл бұрын
Damien Maguire has got the BMW i3 CCS module working on his BMW conversion ( details at the openinverter forums, fast charging section). Autocharge uses the MAC address of the CCS controller ( similar to ethernet addresses), which is factory programmed into the GreenPhy comms chip firmware in the CCS controller AIUI for autocharge, cars are enrolled via a charger, which records the address and associates it with your account.
@commonsense2938
@commonsense2938 2 жыл бұрын
Is it good like solar dc chargeing set up with out converting to ac
@niklaswo
@niklaswo 2 жыл бұрын
Question: so the typical wall charger you get at home what does that do if, as you say, the ac to dc converter is in the car? Is the wall charger then only about enabling higher amps all the way from the fuse box up to the car? I have a Honda e with their wall box plus a ‘69 Alfa I probably will convert sometime in the future. Thanks for awesome content!
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
The wall charger usually gets its feed directly from the homes incoming supply, so that it can provide the 32amps max that a 7kW charger can go up to.
@niklaswo
@niklaswo 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricClassicCars i.e. no converter in the wall charger? I also have 3-phase wired to my wall charger but I believe the Honda e doesn’t support it 😅 But for future cars…
@AaronDwyer
@AaronDwyer 11 күн бұрын
Never heard of granny charging. Funny thing is I use that to charge my plugin hybrid.
@philtucker1224
@philtucker1224 2 жыл бұрын
Can all the new cars coming on to the U.K. market get charged up via any or all of these and how will we know which one to use?
@jordanjones9210
@jordanjones9210 2 жыл бұрын
On EV conversions with DC fast charging, how do you communicate the vehicle’s charging needs to the charger? Is there a standard protocol, and are there off-the-shelf solutions for home built stuff?
@trevorsmith1859
@trevorsmith1859 2 жыл бұрын
Question about fast dc charging, I live in a terrace house so can't charge at home, the only on street chargers in my town are several miles from my house so not ideal but there is a fast charger in the supermarket, now does using fast chargers all the time have a detrimental effect to battery life. Enjoying the videos ant tv series.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, constantly hammering the battery with DC rapid charging will shorten the life of a battery compared to one that primarily used slow charging over its life time. But the impact isn't as big as people make out. 👍
@KimCJorgensen
@KimCJorgensen 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative, thanks for sharing. I've recently retired and try to split my time between Thailand and Denmark, if I were to buy an EV and leave it plugged in at my house in Denmark for up to 6 months at the time, would that be an issue if left unattended? Will the built in charging wizardry handle vampire drain, will I damage the battery or set the house on fire in my absence? Please add that to your Q&A session if you could, I know I'm not alone with this concern, thanks.
@Client_Match
@Client_Match 2 жыл бұрын
I had similar thoughts. In addition what is the best way to take care of a modern say... Tesla type battery. In the old days of batteries we were told to discharge them totally and slowly charge them to full to maintain a better battery of its life. Does half charging, swapping speed of charger and topping up here and there, affect a modern battery or is no longer a concern?
@paulandlouise5085
@paulandlouise5085 2 жыл бұрын
Hi just started watching your channel as slowly getting onto ev cars (outlander PHEV) as wasn’t sure about being able to charge up as live in terraced house. Have found it really good and should have gone full ev I think but will have to wait. Quick question as my car has type one plug-in I’ve seen type 1 to type 2 cables are these okay to use? Sometimes when finding a charger they have been ones you need your own cable which would be type 2 so I couldn’t charge there so seems like a good plan if can use the cable.
@ElectricClassicCars
@ElectricClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've used Type 1 to Type 2 cables in the past, they work fine. 👍
@paulandlouise5085
@paulandlouise5085 2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricClassicCars thank you for that. I will get one very soon then. 😎
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