Technical Tuesday: How does take-up relate to drop safety?

[@gabrielwilliams5315]

Thank you that man! All the research I've done about carrying with one in the chamber have all said, "if it's a modern striker fire pistol, there are internal safeties to prevent accidental discharge." That's not good enough for me to feel comfortable having a round in the chamber. Now that I know exactly what internal safeties are in place, I feel very comfortable. Thanks again for taking the time to fully explain!

[@coledotson8978]

In depth and detailed. Much appreciated.

[@NTC_Transport]

This is the sort of video where you shoot a 'B' Roll, showing a close up of what you're talking about, and edit it over the video so that we can actually see what it is you are talking about. I am currently researching your product, but without having one, I have no way to see what you are talking about, with the video you shot. I'm glad you are telling me about all these safety's, but I can't see any of them, even in my 65" TV.

[@grammaticus2800]

Very much appreciate the (nearly) last comment about a slightly longer trigger pull / take up functioning to obviate accidental discharge under the stress of a critical situation.

[@Ryansrangereport]

Great video. Not my favorite trigger, but works for EDC. This thing is pointed at my junk all day. Glad all safeties are in place !

[@gabrielwilliams5315]

Lol, exactly!!

[@IXIShogunR1]

Trigger feels fine to me, and i have no problems with it. so much so i bought two MR920s. One Elite, one War Poet. i hated glocks and never could get a feel for one. always was a 1911 person, and i have a couple Walthers as well, still like the 1911 better. but now the 1911 is retired to the safe and or night stand, and the Elite travels at my side. all i can say is thanks for making a polymer gun that i can enjoy, shoot pretty good and has everything you could want out of the box

[@arthuroubre7562]

Every day I carry a MR 920L in my duty holster. I couldn't be happier with this pistol.

[@TonyJibster]

Thanks for explaining the hows and whys of the safeties. Great information.

[@RobbDzzz]

Technical Tuesday’s on a Tuesday???? Woo woo! Always enjoy!

[@monkeycbrown]

I'm curious on Trevor's thoughts of the Sig P320 and P365 trigger system and safety features.

[@worstcasescenarioch]

Interesting thanks Trevor. The only downside of a long trigger pull is (for me) i tend to anticipate a little more on that trigger and throw some shots.

[@ShadowSystemsCorp]

Agree that the light, short triggers are easier to manage. With that said, some regular dry fire sessions will certainly help trigger control. Also, if you practice coming to the "wall" in the pull and then breaking the shot, it can be managed more like a single action trigger.

[@Kaotix_music]

so whats interesting about this is....I got an RP trigger shoe put in my glock 43x. Trigger has literally zero take up and after a while I started to wonder "I dont think this is even safe..." so this was good to know. At least I have my shadow systems thou :D but as for my 43X, I think im gonna throw my stock trigger back in there

[@leefra1]

Very helpful Trevor, thanks

[@chrismiksworld]

Bought the MR918 Elite real early on when it came out but man do I wish I held off for the MR920

[@stevestone5671]

Very interesting. I recently purchased your MR920 and also own a G4 Glock 19 which I put an after market trigger into. All I wanted in the after market trigger was a trigger shoe where the drop safety "dingus" fully recessed so it wasn't annoying to shoot at the range. I took the two guns apart while watching the video and sure enough the Glock 19 has less take up and barely nothing of the cruciform on the frame shelf. I would much prefer to have the additional safety. My question, having rewatched the video, is what is this third safety called? You call it a drop safety, but so is the first safety (the dingus on the trigger shoe). Does the pistol have two drop safeties? The third safety is designed-if I understand you correctly-to prevent the striker from going forward as does the plugger safety so why is it called a drop safety? I'm trying to sort it out in my mind for clarity's sake and so I can explain it to others. Thank you for these videos--they are very helpful.

[@M-TEK1]

Thank you! Great video!

[@timkretsch]

Can't wait to see stuff destroyed next week. Hoping that you guys will be able to offer direct sales again in the future, I was trying to get one of your MR920s through Expert Voice (Black Frame, black barrel MR920 elite) but the order forms are no longer available and Bass Pro/Cabela's are always sold out.

[@anonypersona3189]

Nice. The first thing I did was verify everything you said about safety. The only thing I haven't done is use an armorer's half-back plate to see how much the sear is overlapping with the firing pin lug (MR920 has a proprietary back plate, so it's not as easily done). What about over-travel? Any cons with reducing this significantly?

[@ShadowSystemsCorp]

If you reduce over travel too much, you can get to the point where the firing pin safety is not fully disengaged and drags on the firing pin, causing issues.

[@jpdesimone]

I don't mind the long trigger pull so much as I'm bothered by the grittiness during the take up. I'm going to polish trigger bars this weekend to see if it helps. I've improved the trigger a great deal while it remains fully safe with some different springs, which helped with pull weight, but the grittiness just hasn't gone away even after hundreds and hundreds of rounds fired by each of my SSC guns.

[@austinharris1059]

Did you end up making the trigger any better? If so what changes did you make?

[@jpdesimone]

@@austinharris1059 I finally replaced it with a Timney Alpha trigger. I now have one installed in all the of my SSC pistols. Highly recommended.

[@austinharris1059]

Is it the gen 4 version timney. Thats good to know! I read that people were having issues with aftermarket triggers in the MR920, so its good to hear that its working good for you

[@jpdesimone]

@@austinharris1059 That's correct. Gen 3-4 version.

[@RetiredBadge]

I can’t find one, but if you haven’t done a video on how to lube a Shadow Sustems pistol I sure wished you would. Thanks.

[@ShadowSystemsCorp]

We'll put that on the list! Trevor

[@oneshoeless]

I really like my MR920. But 6.5lb pull is a little much out of the box.

[@hidog420]

Shadow Systems keeping trigger pull great, just like our President. My War Poet pistol left Sportsmans Guide 37 minutes ago and I can't wait. Thanks for building these incredible pistols, its appreciated. 🇺🇸

[@ShadowSystemsCorp]

Thanks, we hope you love the pistol!

[@jerstolp1]

100% agree.. Jonny Glock may not.. But i do trust his work... But i will leave ur trigger in my SOON to arrive at my ffl xr920... I already felt 1 n did a fet dry fire reset pulls n ita amazing outta Tha box... No need for ANYTHING... I Have a extra ghost 3.5 but it feels great allready as I said lol. N i seen u use Taran ultimate connector so why upgrade.. Or in that case may b a downgrade lol

[@derekrobles4562]

Is it normal to have way more take up than a Glock and for the trigger housing to have a piece of it sheered off out of the Factory as my War poet Dr920 trigger bar has contact with the trigger housing and has a piece missing off the housing wall

[@dtomamerican3471]

Doesn't the take up and pull of the the trigger actually pull the striker the rest of the way back? Meaning the striker when gun is loaded and no finger on trigger doesn't have a fully cooked striker just partial?

[@ShadowSystemsCorp]

Correct. When the gun is “cocked” the trigger bar is supported by the drop safety surface and the striker is in contact with the back of the trigger bar (partially cocked). Pulling the trigger completes the process of withdrawing the striker, the trigger bar goes past the drop safety, and can then track down the connector, drop, and release the striker.

[@dknollRX7]

2:30 pay attention, Sig 320

[@shanefreeman1938]

I believe shadow system will be a great pumpkin shooting pistol Happy 🎃 Halloween!!

[@austinrichard102]

I love my dr920 literally my only complaint, the trigger feels worse than a stock Glock and it’s not even close, it’s horrible.

[@CrazyLegHeg]

Oh, and by the way, "we're going to try to blow some things up." Lol. Looking forward to it!

[@nodekapunk]

I’ve noticed my firing pin sticking out with my MR920 sometimes even though the firing pin safety is engaged. Is this a problem?

[@ShadowSystemsCorp]

This is normal. The firing pin free floats and can be retained in the forward position momentarily by the downward pressure of the firing pin safety. Totally normal.

[@colbyc.6698]

Overwatch Precision triggers are as far as I will go

[@WoodedCivilian]

Love your videos, always very informative. I appreciate that you always look at having a better safety concern than shoot to soon. There is a lot of people that needs more gun practice, and your extra decisions on things could help keep people from getting hurt or killed.