Luxury Watch Brands People Love To Hate On But Should They? (Hublot, Rolex, Panerai)

[@shubhank20]

Hey teddy i'm 17 and just got my first mechanical watch. I look at it everyday and feel so happy.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

That’s fantastic! Enjoy it and thank you for watching!

[@kingadjust354]

Happy birthday! 🎉🎉🎉 What kind of watch did you get? 😎👍

[@feisty8]

i'm 117 and still haven't got my 1st Mechanical watch 😢 .. fml 😭 ......... 😂

[@juniorjohnson5961]

What watch did you buy ?

[@kingadjust354]

@@mono_log_ which watch did you get 😎👍

[@hiratiomasterson4009]

I appreciate Rolex for what it used to be in the 1990s when I first got mine: a tough, well made, accurate and reliable tool watch that had a bit of status, but nothing too flashy. Just simple, understated quality. That you could go into any jeweller in New York, Copenhagen, London, Sydney or Hong Kong and get - at worst - at retail and quite likely a 20% discount. But a combination of brilliant Rolex marketing, increasing wealth throughout the world and clearly not too great increase in Rolex production numbers has seen us land where we have been for the past ~15 years...

[@lukespector5550]

Exactly.

[@Spectraevil]

50% of the Hublot hatred in the world is because of Nico Leonard 😐

[@sonnymorgan4680]

And 100% of it is because those people never had a Hublot on their wrist for a while.

[@ohbennyboy]

I hate hublot cause their screws don't line up and some of their watch cases have plastic in them

[@Spectraevil]

@@ohbennyboy Thats not a Hublot specific thing. Most of the brands have this. In Cartier watches screws don't line up as well, yet it is considered a class brand. In a lot of rolex watches crown is not symmetrical, it is in a tilted state, yet Rolex is Rolex. There r a lot of reasons to hate Hublot but these r not the ones as these issues r with most of the companies.

[@Rauz11]

No. 100% of hublot shit watches created nico

[@BigfootUnibrowMan]

Hublot passes off cheaper movements you can get in much cheaper watches as something special. Then they just have guady af designs.

[@walroz87]

I really enjoy that Teddy spends time on these subjects and not just the latest hot movements - it really is food for thought and I love it thank you Teddy!

[@jugglingdrummer]

If Hublot had all the visible screws in their watches aligned symmetrically and / or orderly, it would help their reputation and image tremendously

[@gorillawear1065]

The thing is they are actually screws. AP has fake ones.

[@jordanbell4420]

The finishing isn't great, and I've heard stories of the inside of the crystal in Big Bangs getting condensation when worn in the rain.

[@chancebanana]

why would you want the screws aligned... i mean do you even know it is inspired by porthole. even ap royal do not have aligned screws(check the caseback before you scream...)

[@TheBogards]

@@jordanbell4420 total bullshit, I own two and wear them in the ocean all the time.

[@chojinnppp]

@@chancebanana These people have never seen a porthole. If Nico is foaming at the mouth about something, it must be true.

[@LegatoStudios]

Teddy, I'm not sure what I would have don't without this channel. It has completely opened me up to a new hobby. Over the last year I've amassed a watch collection I'm very proud of. Thank you for inspiring new young collectors like me!

[@herbmerced7780]

Side note- when I went to Las Vegas a few months ago…the Hublot AD was the nicest staff…showed me anything I wanted to try on….the guy was a watch guy…some of there pieces were surprisingly very beautiful….

[@meyersylvain8888]

Idem à Genève ou à Cannes. Ont est toujours super bien reçu dans une boutique Hublot. Et toujours beaucoup de choix si on veut prendre une montre le jour même.... essayez dans une boutique rolex...

[@bbrebozo6417]

You could’ve called it “when marketing ruins a brand”. All three brands with a perception problem put all their eggs in the marketing basket. Hublot did it too early, Panerai reach it’s pinacle and fell down to earth unable to get past the image and Rolex is up in the high atmosphere waiting for the fall (gonna make the biggest crater when it hits the ground). All three brands attract customers with socially unsavory traits. It’s very hard to escape that trap after you fall into it.

[@omarion07]

Mate you’ve no clue what you’re talking about.. Rolex made and continue to make some of the most collectible and sought after pieces that attract the most established of watch collectors out there… just look at how much some of the vintage models fetch at watch auctions. All brands rely on marketing but marketing can only get you so far if your product and how it’s presented aren’t solid enough. Rolex been on top long before this madness started and it’s not going to bulge.. wishful thinking on your part.

[@JTMarlin8]

Rolex absolutely will not crash and burn. The very thing that watch wannabes have beern criticizing Rolex for (not increasing production on their stainless watches) is what's paying off for them now, even as the grey market takes a tumble.

[@dr.kevinmoore8889]

Unsavory traits? Like being judgmental and being bigoted

[@Number_006]

Excellent points Teddy, appreciate your comments about Rolex‘s lack of transparency. 👏🏽

[@gwaddles]

The issue with Shinola is that it was affordable. Most people who live and work in Detroit could not afford anything they offer other than maybe the leather baseball. They should have an affordable brand that the working person can afford., Shinola meant quality and affordability back in the day. Today it represents the gentrifier, the outsider and developer who doesn’t live in the city but exploits it.

[@Thepackman1997]

BOOM!

[@vincent67239]

Excellent explanation and breakdown of this.

[@joseherrera8489]

yeah, I went into a store the other day and wanted to get a nato strap. $80!!

[@vincent67239]

@@joseherrera8489 At first, I was like, “$80 doesn’t sound too bad…” And then I remembered we’re talking about Shinola here

[@rusher38]

@@vincent67239 Haven't tried their nato straps, but their leather quality is far better than the majority of the brands out there.

[@rudiausbuddeln]

big marketing problem for me are the 2022 wearers of rolex (influencers, investors, shady people in general).

[@phoenix5054]

Investor is now a negative term? I do agree on the last part though. If someone is selling a quick rich scheme, he'd be wearing a Rolex as social proof of his "success".

[@rudiausbuddeln]

@@phoenix5054 not investors in general but people that buy a rolex just by investment thoughts. i agree on you though, the quick rich wearers repell me a lot too.

[@JeromyTimmer]

I love my Shinola Runwell. It looks great and runs well :) I'm from Michigan and appreciate that they employ something like 400 people in Detroit regardless of what their marketing issues may have been. Also they have a couple of outlet stores where you can find some great values. I'm sure someone will have a problem with that, but it is one way to cater to the more price conscious and get good watches onto more wrists.

[@kevinkant6817]

They make shoe polish

[@vitas75]

I'm not American, and I don't care where a watch is made in, so i dont really care about any controversy. Thing is, other watches in the price range are either bad or ugly for the most part. Runwell has a simple but elegant design, it runs well, and is reasonably sturdy, that's why I love it.

[@marcgras9064]

About Rolex and innovation I would say what I saw on other leading brands in other segments. They usually fail when trying to innovate because of their own huge heritage. It is not they do things wrong. Customers expect from them exactly what they do like a Fender stratocaster or a Rolex daytona. Love your content by the way Teddy. Great job.

[@michaelhargis7036]

I'm the proud owner of the INVICTA Pro Diver. It is in my regular wrist time rotation. Even as "cheesy" as it is, I love it.

[@loganoftherockies9453]

Thanks so much! With Panerai, going down to very small amounts of WR on what are essentially iconic dive watch designs on some models, and generally what seem like cost-cutting measures, while having a watch priced well above the Omega range, is one that's turned me off. With Rolex, yeah, everything you already said, and just what flex culture has done with Rolex, and how Rolex has *handled* their well-earned success with what feels like less than, well, class, and honesty...as much respect as I've had for Rolex historically, and as much as I love some of their watches, for now, they've really soured on me.

[@coffeyallday]

Lots of pro golfers have watch deals and the two that Hublot endorses (Dustin Johnson and Patrick Reed) both bolted to the Liv Tour. I feel like that's very on brand.

[@SuLu_B]

Buying a Hublot with a $200 movement inside is like buying a Lamborghini with a Toyota Corolla engine in it. You're insane and a fool if you spend your money that way, regardless of how much you have.

[@theonlyredspecial]

‘As humans we tend to like the negative ‘. Well said. I’ve never seen so much anger and hatred in the comments for many watch videos on KZbin. It’s staggering.

[@1stGenCRXs]

I picked up two Shinola watches, one for me and one for the Mrs, over 5 years ago. They were in a Nordstrom Rack store and I talked the guy into selling both to me for $300. Sticker price for these two quartz watches was over $800 at the time. We really like them, mine is a PVD squared face, and works great. I would look at places like that as you can often find them reduced in price.

[@bipennate]

I think that it might be interesting to see the opposite side of the coin, a video on what you believe are the top 3-5 brands universally *loved* and why you think they receive such acclaim and are held in high-esteem!

[@tomtech1537]

Richard Mille anyone? xD

[@Nefville]

We need more videos/ places where we can talk about things we don't like in watches but in a constructive way. Being overly positive all the time is maddening. I was in a stream last night dedicated to that, on purpose, as an objection to toxic positivity. That's a new phrase for me but the concept really hits the nail on the head, especially in these times. We're people, we have opinions and some are negative. I see no reason why we can't share them too, if done respectfully.

[@Salikaan]

Do people really hate Panerai that much? I know there's some skepticism about how "in-house" their movements might really be but I don't hear much about their designs being all that crazy. I would agree their models/references is confusing but that's a lot of brands. I will agree folks hate Hublot with a passion on the watch forums I'm in, be it design and then price but not much love for that brand but clearly they're doing something right.

[@PatricksFinanzen]

Well at least offering a Panerai with just 30m WR is pretty ridiculous…

[@vianouche1]

And the price

[@ollik8192]

Search for Panerai and Perpetual Downgrading and you'll get an idea. Many people think they make cool watches, many people think they make too big watches etc. and some people love the older models and are really disappointed about the direction of the brand.

[@ivanharlokin]

@@PatricksFinanzen Exactly. It would be fine in a dress watch, but it is styled like a diver. What makes it worse is that they claim it's to keep the watch thin, and yet the Radiomir 574 (which I'm currently wearing) has 100m WR and is only 0.5mm thicker.... baffling

[@Salikaan]

@@ollik8192 Eh there's plenty of other watch makers out there making watches that are too big lol. Hublot or even some of the Omega Planet Oceans come to mind. I can see the disappointment in the movements and of course yes Panerai hasn't released anything recently where i've seen folks or fans of the brand cheer.

[@laurencehogg6010]

Every point hits the mark; your grasp of these issues and your willingness to address them so candidly speaks very well to your character. But this is all now - I'd love to hear your thoughts on the next 5-10 years.

[@bullnose01]

The problem that I have with Rolex is that repairs almost have to be performed by one of its authorized servicing centers because of its strict control over parts availability, and when repairs are performed they will not return the replaced parts and insist that the parts be "traded in."

[@garyboyle695]

They will also probably replace parts that don't need replacing like the hands and dial if the lume is gone, rather than just re-lumbing it. Then polish it so it looks like new. Losing any patena that made the watch unique to you.

[@kayvahn91]

Completely agree with the fourth point of why people dislike Rolex. Sure, Rolex sells a ton of watches right now, but what about 10 or 30 years from now? There might be a point where people grow tired of the models. Pattek knew this and made the decision the discontinue the Nautilus, before the bubble bursted

[@willdau]

I don't really know anyone who hates Rolex. Most seem to hate the insane hype for mass produced items in a market with plenty of competition.

[@Salikaan]

That's how I see it I think folks hate the availability and the prices in the secondary market which are indeed nuts. Rolex watches are great at retail prices or even perhaps for some with a small markup but the current availability and prices are frustrating to say the least.

[@TeddyBaldassarre]

It’s a more involved relationship with the brand given the added factors of allocation and their reputation that transcends the category. Whenever I post about Rolex there is always comments regarding being sick of seeing them. Whether you like rolex or like they deserve respect for what they have done for the product category.

[@HRM.H]

No , most people don't hate the hype. They hate the extremely toxic behaviour from AD personel , or the under the table/backdoor sales practices , or the years long purchase history based allocation system

[@ulifluhme]

Hate is a too strong word but I wouldn’t wear one for free. Just don’t like the look of any of their models.

[@garyboyle695]

I dislike Rolex for the very misleading marketing claims they've made over the years, we made the first waterproof watch, no you didn't, we created the first automatic movement, no you didn't, each watch takes a year to make, no they don't, I could go on and on. Let's not forget Rolex never made a single watch, just assembling third party parts until they bought these sub contractors.

[@ahha6304]

Rolex : no Panerai : no comment Hublot : ask Richard Mille

[@dstjoe]

Hi Teddy I really like your videos because you share your perspective instead of just stating the specs. Can you please do a video to discuss the popularity of Rolex and the hype that is causing an increase in watch robberies across the US, especially in California? I feel like many people work hard to own a Rolex but then realized how dangerous it is to wear them in public. The watch then just gets stored to keep safe. What are your thoughts about wearing luxury watch in public in the current climate? I know many people who owns a Rolex but won't wear them because of fear for their safety. Thanks

[@purangesmith9053]

I’ve had a panerai 1940 for about 8years, love the design, movement is nothing special and you could get it in 43mm, which I did. Now they do a great looking green dial but not in a “smaller” case, then I saw their prices! Wow almost double what I paid. So I won’t be swopping. They’d sell more by offering 40-42mm cases across different models but the price would need to be realistic too.

[@ivanharlokin]

When it comes to luxury products, dropping the price often doesn't 'help' the brand. I think they need to re-emphasise their quality, and be more attentive to what their fans want.... that and realise that their Due line was a huge mistake.

[@jacobbwalters8133]

I think all the hate on Shinola is misplaced- they were essentially a micro brand originally when they began selling the quartz watches. Today they offer a wider range of automatic options. I also think their pricing is reasonable for what they offer (similar to some of Longines lower priced offerings). I think the problem is with people that don’t appreciate the Detroit tie in. If Detroit assembly is important to you, Shinola makes sense. If it isn’t, Shinola does not. I am from Michigan and I feel it’s fair to say that Shinola has become the go to entry luxury brand for the upper-middle class working professional. I often see Shinola watches on the wrists of local doctors, university professors, and mid-level managers.

[@danielday7033]

Agreed with this segment. I'll stick with my Hamiltons, Seikos, and Glycine brand collections. They don't cost much, but make a great product.. However, I do see a Fortis, Brew, and Dan Henry watch coming soon. When I retire from the military, I will get a Grand Seiko. 🤙

[@AnkitThakur-jg8qh]

Definitely hate Richard Mille. The brand's watches look or feel nowhere near the prices that they sell at. Making quirky watches that are lighter than a feather doesn't make them worth charging over a million dollars.

[@UnbiasedBoss]

That's a very uneducated comment to make. Opinions and not liking what it looks like is one thing, but the pure innovation and new technologies that have been introduced to the watch world by RM is staggering. Do they look good? Most don't, but RM is leading the frontier by a MILE when it comes to innovation, in movements, materials, escapement, accuracy, toughness, you name it. Not to mention they are not cheap light plastic pieces costing millions, it takes months to make an RM. All the processes, all the manufacturing, and craftsmanship add up in cost real fast.

[@AnkitThakur-jg8qh]

@@UnbiasedBoss I'm just expressing my personal opinion. Looks like you are promoting and defending the brand at the same time! Take a chill pill dude. I do hope you make money enough to be able to buy one of the Richard Mille watches

[@UnbiasedBoss]

@@AnkitThakur-jg8qh I simply stated because you said "feel". I have been lucky enough to have spent time with the RM62-02 and they "feel" phenomenal and robust.

[@rickyromano6659]

Things are worth what people will pay. There are nothing else out there like RM, and they are extremely rare. Around 3,000 pieces per year total. It's cool if you don't like them, or understand them. I prefer a Patek Grand Comp, a 5172G, Celestial Sky and watches like that, but to hate them, that seems like you got some issues.

[@AnkitThakur-jg8qh]

@@UnbiasedBoss That's Awesome👍

[@InfinityAMR]

Just ordered my 1st Panerai Luminor 44mm . Proud to be a member of the exclusive Paneristi club !!! Unique, well built and classy. I'm sure it will look good on my 7.5inch wrist !!! Chunky yet oozes class !

[@tomtech1537]

GMT? Love my sunburst dial. Regularly get comments about mine. I can't see myself buying another panerai, but happy I did.

[@omarion07]

I agree with most of the points Teddy mentioned on why some people love to hate on Rolex but here’s my take on it: 1- Frustration from not being able to get a Rolex at retail within a short period of time. This then turns into bitterness towards Rolex, and jealousy from those who were able to buy one. 2- People being fed up with whole flexing and hype culture, and speculators who only care about investment value . Rolex is not the only brand that suffer from this, PP and AP are in this camp as well. But because Rolex watches represent over 90% of the above, they get the most hate. 3- Childish fanboys of other watch brands that envy the success and hype surrounding Rolex. So they click on every article or video that has “Rolex” in it’s thumbnail and start spewing hatred in the comments section. Some Omega and GS fanboys are particularly guilty of that. Other examples of this childish fanboyism are Apple vs Android and Playstation vs Xbox. 4- The too cool for school/indie type of people who like to be different and therefore hate anything mainstream. Rolex will probably be their main target for hating. On the other, you’ll rarely find an established and long term watch collector/lover who doesn’t admire and respect the history, achievements and success of Rolex.

[@jberczi6]

Hublot, imo, makes nice watches, but they are just way, way overpriced. I think if they were priced near Rolex (retail) / Omega, they'd be quite well liked.

[@burakcangur3407]

İt would still be too much but ı agree a price cut would be very nice

[@burakcangur3407]

İt would still be too much for some models but ı agree a price cut would be very nice

[@justwise88]

Great Insight on this one. I’m not too worried about Rolex’s availability as long as I can get a Tudor without too many issues but I just love their designs more personally. Being from Chicago I truly feel Astor+ Banks represents a much better option from an midwestern manufacturer then Shinola. Cheers!

[@marcusedcofficial]

Exactly how I feel about Monta being from St Louis. Cheers!

[@joseherrera8489]

Too bad they have no watch you can currently purchase. They're all either sold out or pre-orders.

[@rudiausbuddeln]

i dont really understand how people can be happy to pay 3-4k for a watch that is obiously the second-rate Rolex. I do not mean that because of the brand Tudor but the features and workmanship.

[@PBrown-mg4wy]

From Chicago too and Astor + Banks is high on my list of watches to buy once I graduate from school!

[@dylanbabushkin6023]

@@rudiausbuddeln I’d imagine because it’s made with amazing craftsmanship as well as in-house production calibers

[@Chaotic_Neutral76]

Being from MI I’ve always wanted to pick up a watch made in my state, but Shinola wanting 800 for a quartz watch nixed that. Detroit watch co. Has some nice designs and uses Swiss movements but at their price points I’m almost better off buying an actual Swiss Made watch. Detroit Mint makes affordable watches but their styling is hit and miss for me.

[@MakerInMotion]

For the same reasons people hate Hublot, they should also hate Richard Mille.

[@pittwm]

I was looking to buy a 126330/blue/oyster steel. I first wanted to get from AD, after talking to a few AD. I gave up bc 1. The nearest AD is in St Louis which is 2 1/2 drive one way. After talking to them, they kindly refused to sit down with me to talk about getting a watch. They said I have to buy from AD from my state,in Louisville, which is 3 plus hours driving. Buying a Rolex from AD now takes at least two trips. I gave up the idea and ended up buying from EBay professional dealer, at a 3k markup but I was okay with that after all things considered.

[@cMaXeJIJIo]

I may not have heard of the brand, but I have definitely heard the expression of "not being able to tell shit from Shinola" 😂

[@tylerblake3596]

Was completely unaware of Shinola until now. Thanks for giving me a new brand to hate Teddy! 😄 Jokes aside, their prices are outrageous lol. $800 for a quartz watch that basically looks like a Timex Weekender? What the hell?

[@jnrocktx]

My wife exclusively wears Shinola but I won’t wear it. She likes a few at $600 or less. They are large on the wrist imo and also imo more fashion watches than other brands. Quality watches but to each their own.

[@drnick40]

I like very much everything made in the USA. So I would encourage companies like Shinola, Monta, etc. to develop their own movements. America lost legendary brands like Hamilton, Ball to name a couple which is sad. Why can’t we bring back the greatness of the American precision manufacturing?

[@harrylane4]

@@drnick40because despite his reputation, Reagan era economics gave companies the freedom to do whatever they want to increase profits up to and including moving everything overseas. If we actually spent money to subsidize American production again, maybe that would happen, but neither political party is willing to actually do that because “it’s socialism”

[@thomasmatthew7759]

Panaristi is already plural. No need to pluralize again. Sorry to nitpick, but those are great points why people stray from the brand.

[@RocasThePenguin]

Such a different sort of hate. I don't respect Hublot as a watchmaker, but I do respect Rolex to a massive degree. How can you not? They have done so much for the industry. I do, however, hate everything that surrounds the brand. The product shortage, the ADs, the inflated prices, the aura of the brand, the followers of the brand (e.g., r/Rolex), etc. This is a brand that seems to bring out the worst in watch buying.

[@mcstarling07]

I've seen a few Hublot that I would certainly wear (if given as a gift or at an extreme discount)

[@Storm762x39]

Agreed!

[@souradeepsil4402]

I'll willing to bet money that they are classic fusions. The only respectable watch from Hublot.

[@Storm762x39]

@@souradeepsil4402 isn't that the one with the cheap movement inside?

[@souradeepsil4402]

@@Storm762x39 It may be that I'm remembering it wrong, but I think the Big Bang has those "cheap" ETA movements. I may be remembering wrongly.

[@Storm762x39]

@@souradeepsil4402 I see. I thought the "Meca 10" watches were their only in house movement watches. Which for that price, they need.

[@samiswilf]

I shopped for a watch without looking at price or brand, and I got a Hublot Classic Fusion Ceramic Blue Chronograph 42mm. I come home, google about Hublot, and see all negative search results. WTF!? These Watches look better than others. I'm not looking at how accurate these watches are. I have my phone for that. This is a fine piece of beautiful jewelry.

[@chancebanana]

same price you can get a jlc blah blah blah. as if jlc can make cool sport watches with unique materials like Hublot. Come on not everyone cares soley about movement. what about the look. what about the innovation and the guts to play around with materials. Hublot has been leading watchmaker considering materials and limited edition, which many brands are just starting to follow

[@Muzly]

My first exposure to Hublot was their sponsor of Floyd Mayweather. Crass, outspoken, flashy and tasteless. A match made in heaven.

[@dmofficial_markiplier1onte267]

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[@jhrodriguez08]

Rolex takes the approach of Porsche with the 911, evolution instead of revolution, refine and polish what people already like, if it’s done correctly it just works…

[@kingadjust354]

Rolex is overpriced shit

[@ThoR52]

Are you sure that’s an appropriate comparison ? A 992 GT3 for exemple is order of magnitude better than say a 997, in a relatively short amount of time. Can you say the same for any Rolex model ?

[@jhrodriguez08]

@@ThoR52 I’m a 981 cayman GT4 owner and there still are hallmarks from early Porsche days , ignition on the left side, the flat six engine, center tachometer etc.

[@kingadjust354]

@@jhrodriguez08 damn that's a nice car how many bitches do you pick up in that car 😎👍

[@hargoniyamaki5168]

My 2 Shinola watches were $170USD for a Detrola and $266 USD for a Runwell. I am uncertain why price would be an objection as their third tier of hate, but maybe few people shop as smartly as I do. Still, regardless of your feelings about marketing and patriotism, as a former Detroit resident I am very happy to have these two watches in my collection. If you want a watch to hate based on price, look no further than an Omega Speedmaster Professional Moon Watch, which is manual wind well over $10k CAD where I now live and needs a $600 service roughly every 48 months unless you don’t care what time it is.

[@darinjost902]

As someone who's only a couple years into this watch hobby, I don't understand why Hublot is so hated and Richard Mille isn't. To the untrained eye, the designs seem very similar and yet I don't think RM gets the same caliber of hatred.

[@kozygeorg]

Well hublot is getting hated is also a meme which amplifies hate lol

[@kozygeorg]

Also because hublot prices watches high but makes them low quality. Uses 3rd party movements, if you look at the screws they are never aligned even tho that attention to detail would be expected at that price. Also many of them look like shit and made of cheap materials like Richard millel but Richard millel actually does cool stuff sometimes

[@terencekoh6296]

Stone throwing is also part of social acceptance

[@splintercell044]

Yes - and I thought Richard Mille would be the 4th on this list. I think it is viewed in a similar light as distasteful, overpriced, tacky, etc.

[@diabolicdeus]

The screws.. it's those damned screws.. I swear once someone points out the Hublot screws aren't even aligned properly you can't unsee it.

[@palaublue]

Wearing a new stainless steel Rolex screams to me - “I don’t know anything about watches but need you to admire my $100k annual salary and my ability to buy from scalpers. Please let me know I have good taste.”

[@dmofficial_markiplier1onte267]

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[@midnightpurplerain1099]

On Shinola, I really like their look and being from Michigan, I don’t mind supporting jobs in my state (even if they’re a tad pricey for what you get). Honestly, the questionable marketing is less of a gripe for me than how much they lean into the 47mm sizing. I’m a tall guy with about a 7.5” wrist, so they don’t look awkward on me, but I’m the minority…

[@mikeyG11556]

Michigander here: I have never understood the fascination with shinola. Fit and finish look great. The dials are crisp and well done. Nice sapphire crystal. And then boom, the hammer drops. 600 bucks for an out-sourced quartz movement with no horology and some questionable marketing tactics. There are just so many companies like Vaer where I just bought an S5 for 250 bucks. Lumed, sapphire, stainless steel case, screw down crown, screw down case back, very nice stainless steel bracelet and black rubber strap. So many other companies that can blow shinola out of the water in price point.

[@r0bert1p]

I own three Shinolas. I almost owned a fourth, but returned it due to lack of QC. Here's my beef: I purchased a Black Blizzard which came with a black bezel and numbered in white. Within a few months of daily wear the numbers were rubbing off, and had rubbed off completely within 6 months. I have an office job. I'm not banging my knuckles every day. On the other hand, my Smokey Bear and White Hurricane are great watches. I sent back the Forged Carbon Monster in February this year because it looked like a return (the box had a graphic torn off, the watch was crookedly jammed in the presentation box, the strap looked like it had been worn). I love the story of providing jobs and training to Detroit workers, but I no longer have confidence they are providing quality, so much so that I started looking to see whether the company had been purchased or had a management change.

[@lllSquidlll]

Personally I love Shinola, I have a number of unique and classic watches in my collection and nothing gets more compliments than the Runwell with the cream face. It’s nothing special mechanically but I think they really nailed the look, goes with absolutely anything. Perfect everyday watch imo

[@JamesK1963]

Surprised Tag Heuer wasn't mentioned. They get a ton of hate on KZbin, social media and watch forums.

[@chateaubullion2560]

When I see Hublot watches I see Invicta except Hublot costs 500 times more.

[@MLynx-is7uf]

For me the main reason why I don’t like Rolex is the people who are wearing them (no education, no culture and sometimes it’s also people who don’t have the money at all and they just want to show off and live beyond their means)

[@LuckyJack99]

Well done Teddy - balanced and delivered with reason.

[@bbrebozo6417]

The role of marketing in attracting customers that give a brand its image can’t be underestimated. The brand ambassadors are less significant than the impression that existing customers might have other potential customers. How some watch enthusiasts will always say seeing a Rolex on someone’s wrist is not a sign that wearer isn’t a fellow watch enthusiast. Same for Hubot, footballers people with more money than knowledge. Panerai, muscle men of the 90s making superhero movies with out the costumes.

[@alexclemente9233]

beautiful presentation😊 simple, honest and straight forward

[@scottbrandon6244]

Atmos clocks at 1:19. Great clocks but highly temperamental. You can shop around for deals on older models.

[@jasonhindle4054]

So, Rolex (obvs). I think the problem with Rolex boils down to a couple of simple questions. Firstly, why are Cartier, Omega and so on luxury brands? Because we the consumers say they are luxury brands. Why is Rolex a luxury brand? Because Rolex says Rolex is a luxury brand and there is a pervasive suspicion that Rolex distorts the market to support this assertion. In other words, Rolex, not the consumer, is the final arbiter in the argument of luxury vs not luxury. Pretty ingenious. At some level I’m fine with this though I appreciate the peer pressure that may lead to individual concerns when it comes to transparency and availability.

[@agill2103]

And i just bought a Panerai yesterday. Lovin it...

[@Bredes1]

Congrats😁wich one did you get?

[@agill2103]

Thanks buddy, its luminor Pam1316...

[@ivanharlokin]

Congrats. I'm watching this wearing my Radiomir 574.

[@agill2103]

@@ivanharlokin Nice One....

[@zhicaofang2354]

Dare I say, Shinola is like the Invicta of luxury brands (and I doubt if it could even be claimed as a luxury watch brand) 😂

[@superspectral7573]

Seriously, Shinola watches are uniformly better than Invicta.

[@MadVatnik]

I used to really hate Shinola, now my opinion is more neutral, but they really should move to either switching to all mechanical/automatic watches or drop the prices of their quart watches by a good $300-$400.

[@galatians22122]

Screw Rolex for the price of one submariner I picked up an Omega seamaster and a grand Seiko Snowflake hello! You are literally paying an extra 4 Grand for a Name! Rolex is for Vain people.

[@paulhopkins1905]

You forgot that Hublot charges Rolex prices for off the shelf ETA movements

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[@JJPurp]

Nothing wrong with wanting to show off every once in a while. People do it in other ways. Hublot makes very nice watches. If you can afford it great! If you like it buy it!

[@siblej1]

Rolex makes 1,000,000 watches a year, yet none are getting to ADs. Something is rotten in Denmark….or Switzerland I should say.

[@cy9nvs]

The screws on the Hublot not even being aligned is just such an eyesore, especially considering the price. I know with most other brands they're fake, while the ones on the Hublot are real, but still. They're charging so ridiculously much money, even if it meant making their own screws, that are always 1:1 the same in terms of head/thread orientation, they should do it.

[@jorgsofi]

The common denominator to many hated watch brands is vulgarity, creative stagnation and a lousy value for money proposition. Sometimes all three are present in a single brand, sometimes less. But at least one of them is always present.

[@Nintendglo]

I wish Teddy would say what watch he’s wearing for the day for the video!

[@brianpercival1829]

"What time is it?" I don't know..."You are wearing a watch" I know, It's a Hublot and I can't find where the hands are.

[@luisroquepuchderomana4009]

At the end of the day is your own money, enjoy it. Life is too short and watches are something to be passionate about, from casio to patek phillipe, wear whatever you like/want

[@wangox]

I pretty much agree with all you points. Great video as always

[@ardentdfender4116]

I honestly don't know enough about any particular watch brand to hate any of them. Other than the brands i see celebrities wear of which James Bond be the most familiar in my mind with Omega, i can't honestly list a watch brand that's not tied to some famous celebrity. Thus i can't say i know any other really and can't hate on any. Barely own two watches for under $150 and at least their time keeping seems accurate. Just here to learn a thing or two to help me understand an accessory piece I should at least know more about.

[@Ixorpehc]

Rolex is arguably the same quality as Omega, but gets a lot of hate because it rides on brand power and elitist showmanship to justify the great price difference. The fact that availability is lousy and people get miffed over the endless waiting lists and mediocre AD experience definitely adds to gas to the fire.

[@petercharron3268]

Shinola can be found in department stores outside the US. Was just in Hamburg and the store had a big Shinola display.

[@TheBajamin]

Rolex doesn't want you to know allocation because it makes a false sense of rarity. We know they make nearly ONE MILLION watches a year. That's a lot. They don't tell you to keep prices high. A single model they made 700k of in a year doesn't seem quite so exclusive.

[@Travellingtockburys]

The bolts on Hublot watches are never aligned and it drives me crazy whenever I see them.

[@giacomonovara]

I always had the feeling that Rolex is the luxury watch brand for those who does not really understand and like luxury watches. Just a status symbol without understanding of the history of the industry and the brand. Clearly not everybody but many of the 28% market share buyers. Mulch less, if any, with Patel or AP in my view

[@Bubele_]

Breguet is by far the most important watch company even though I don’t like most of their modern designs

[@Time-Spiral]

For how much you pay think they could at least get the dial screws straight on the hublot big bang.

[@jackboss7458]

Most people hate hublot because they simply can’t afford one, or should I say any luxury brand of watch for that matter! Most people don’t buy watches because of the mechanism but for how it looks and if they like it, get over it people

[@Nonixification]

8:26 Rolex "Daytona": Let me market it with Abu Dhabi circuit. LOL

[@WATCHMEGOPOOR]

Price Vs Quality is why ppl hate Hublot. Look at the mis aligned screws! It literally drives me nuts..i like their watches my OCD doesn't

[@douglasdunlap7822]

When I was a kid in the 50’s - 60’s in Cleveland, OH, a popular saying back then was “You don’t know sh*t from Shinola.” So, because of this association I could never own a Shinola watch.

[@thierry1491]

I have never been a fan of Panerai until they launched their 40mm series. Plus they have the quick strap release which quickly allows you to change strap and style. I am seriously considering getting one( Luminor 40m with P.900). Not too sure about what is wrong with the movement as it seems people are complaining about it. Any idea?

[@JSalamonTutoring]

As a Detroiter, something that also works heavily against Shinola is that every Holiday season they give ALL employees Shinola gift cards as bonuses (even the Starbucks employees in the hotel lobby). This leads to most of them buying the cheaper ref numbers of watches, and then immediately list them on FB marketplace or similar sites for as much as half off flooding the market. (Also anecdotally they get a bad rap locally because they have a stereotype of being the first thing everyone at the big Quicken loans office downtown buys with their first paycheck, and that company and its employees are heavily stereotyped because the employees are worked into the ground and the ones that make it get the reputation of "finance bros".) Shinola has sort of become the uh... "Live, Laugh, Love" of Detroit branding.

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[@SAJEEVKARAYIL]

Hey Teddy, really enjoy your videos and I know lots of effort you put into each video on your channel. By the way, which brand on your wrist in this video? Omega Diver 300? or Tudor?

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[@DOGn69]

I believe a Tudor BB58 in blue... But not sure. Please tell us, Teddy!

[@cockneyboy1532]

Hublot, has in some way, similar design as RM

[@kaunas888]

Hublot is basically an extremely overpriced Invicta fashion watch. Panerai is similar but has had quality issues. Rolex makes good watches but they have allowed or promoted the situation of their watch scarcity to get completely out of hand and have burned a lot of bridges with their loyal customers. In the long run I think that this will hurt them, because genuinely classy people know that this is abusive, and once the hype ends I think that it is going to tarnish Rolex's image. Shinola is simply trading on nostalgia and false hope.

[@naveenshankar5879]

Hi Teddy, I totally agree with you on Rolex. They have made their brand and watch desirable by restricting the supply and not being transparent. Recently we saw a swatch moonswatch ($250 retail price) was selling in the secondary market for thousands of dollars due to lack of availability. Imagine if Omega does the same thing what rolex is doing with its speedmaster moonwatch. It can raise its desirability and price in the secondary market to stratospheric levels. No other luxury swiss watch brand plays this game like Rolex. Though PP and AP have many watches lacking in supply but those watches are way beyond most people's reach even on a good day.. Good luck to all those people who are queing up for rolex to eventually sell in the secondary market. For that price I would buy a JLC or Blancpain with beautiful and sophisticated movements any day of the week.

[@Sauternes1965]

Not being transparent: yes, restricting the supply: no. Rolex produces more watches than any other luxury watchmaker, but can’t cope with the demand, and of course production cannot be increased limitlessly. Given the demand they would be more than happy to sell as many watches as the people is asking for, but this would mean doing huge capex investments.

[@angelvinas]

There’s a very fine line between shinola and furlan marri just to mention one example. One is loved and the other is hated. This is all marketing and we repeat what mainstream says. Saying that GS or omega are better than rolex is not bold… it’s mainstream. Buy what you like, stop watching influencers, enjoy what you have, don’t overthink

[@emilshteyngarts]

My first automatic watch was a preowned Hublot Big Bang 311.ci.1170.ci. I’m local if you want to do a review on it Teddy

[@drnick40]

The problem Panerai has is it’s design. The Luminor is the Panerai most people want and I am giving it as an example. So the question is, how many variations one can do within the confines of the Luminor’s body? Unfortunately not many. Some complications, dial colors, case materials and size. So I don’t understand it’s critics. The 38mm DUE has 30m water resistance because it’s case has to be proportionally scaled down. It is made to suit ladies and thin wristed gentlemen who want to wear a Panerai. What’s wrong with it? Then the company made the Quaranta, which in my opinion is an exceptional watch. It has a beautiful proportionate case with 40mm diameter and 100m of water resistance. This watch can be worn literally by anyone and in any occasion. A genuine “strap monster” too. And of course there are the larger diameter models like the 42, 44 and 47mm for the enthusiasts seeking 100% genuine Panerai experience and wrist presence. We have a plethora of movements and complications within the catalog as well. So literally there is a Panerai for everyone. Panerai! Possibly the most recognizable watch design in the industry.

[@joshs3916]

Great video. Love my 16610. The ad games really should stop. Either way. Great points made

[@LNatureblush]

Fun video and very insightful. Love!

[@jnotlog7040]

You just reminded me of a great night out at Peabody's Down Under many years ago.

[@thetruebatman4632]

I want to like Shinola so bad but I read a comment someone wrote about them a while back that I just can’t get out of my head that said “Shinola makes some of the best $200 watches out there; they just don’t cost $200” 😂 I do like their new divers though, i’ll wait to see what the consensus of them is.