Multiculturalism in the Modern World: Jen Holladay at TEDxDenverTeachers

Understanding and embracing multiculturalism and teaching students cultural competency is critical for competing and succeeding in our diverse democracy. How can you ensure that cultural competency is an outcome of your students' education? Presented by Jen Holladay, Highline Academy Charter School Board President.
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[@Benjamin2099Tennyson]

It's doing wonders in Sweden for the past few years

[@natiehiller]

My professor couldn't have found a better talk than this on multiculturalism lol

[@hillaryrotich209]

I think he just bumped into it while sipping some coffee

[@BeezyDoItAll]

Facts

[@WE__BTS]

You all are hired by 4chan, aren’t you? You all say the same tired lie about how your professor told you to watch this. In any case, stop listening to 4chan losers

[@kenpachi1114]

My class forced me to watch this video for an assignment (college) . Starting to rethink my career choice. 0.o

[@bryceinman1822]

kenpachi1114 LOL I’m watching it now for mine. Professor is not going to like my response 😂

[@danmiller7649]

something about them lit classes...

[@dantese1307]

Her examples towards the end of the video about her child's teacher and his lessons about westward expansion were great examples on how to teach multiculturalism without implicitly resorting to stereotypes. But at the beginning of the lesson, she almost belittled other schools outside her own, which she mentioned at least two or three times during the video, for relating multiculturalism with stereotyping, which she didn't really provide any evidence for. She did this in a number of ways. The first was stating if children were thinking about Mexican resistance to French occupation while eating tacos. While I do agree that tacos can be stereotyping of Hispanic people, me being of Mexican descent, would she be saying the same thing of students were eating bocadillos or pozole?I didn't like her tone of voice when she started equating food to social injustice. She stated that this trivializes the importance of Cinco deMayo, but I don't think she realized that she had already starting doing so. And I don't think I've ever worked at or attended a school where they serve fried chicken onMLK's birthday. These kinds of examples she gives towards the validity of her argument for multiculturalism is blantant racism and only takes away from her message when she starts using ad hominems against these other schools that supposedly aren't as good as hers are. She also stated that early education schools don't bring in a lot of folklore and fables from other cultures and ethnicities. The early childhood schools I attended, my sister attended, my nieces and nephews have attended, all bring in stories and fables from different cultures in an attempt to show students at an early age different perspectives on how other cultures view the world around them, as well as differences in interactions with people, animals, and the natural world. Holladay wants multiculturism in the class without the use of stereotypes, yet when her daughter reads "The Selkie Girl, she and her daughter are turned off, when the story talks about female nudity. Part of multiculturalism is being accepting of the different views and perspectives people of other cultures. So why does she and her daughter get upset? I don't know anything about Celtic culture, but if Celtics aren't that embarrassed about nudity, shouldn't Holladay explain to her child that some cultures don't overtly sexualize the human body and we should be accepting of this? She talks about making sure we remember that the message matters. The paragraph she talked about was merely a description of the Selkies, and they usually aren't clothed, from what I researched. Reading just a small paragraph from a book or short story doesn't give the viewer any ability to decipher themselves the message of the story, which is critical theory, the thing she wants to parallel multiculturalism to. The implicit message she's sending to her daughter is shame of the human body. Maybe Celtics were comfortable with nudity and celebrated the human body, rather than passive aggressively shaming it. After watching the video a few times, I liked the ideas that she got from other sources, like her child's teacher, but she tended to use blanket statements of implicit stereotyping and racism to encourage the use of multiculturalism through a perspective based learning theory

[@crzbrzilian101]

Richard, I think she got bothered in the Selkie girl by the fact that she was the "prettiest" and white. For me as a teacher that would be a moment to talk about how different people have a different taste at what they like to stare at.

[@angelscotch7169]

I believe the point of their distaste for the Celtic story was the emphasis on defining beauty in a certain way, most poignantly with white skin.

[@afiqahnurnabilah8725]

my lecturer used this video for our subject Multicultural Literature and i gain zero benefits from this talk. thank you.

[@akim244]

oh hello cikbee XD

[@nisa-gu1pz]

*reporting to the lecturer*

[@Nadia-li4bq]

SAME!!!!

[@soniagrace4069]

whoaa same

[@gardikagigih5704]

same. actually she did not talk anything about Multiculturalism.....

[@LisaBryson]

I like how her daughter wanted to go and do something educational during there free time.

[@bokyarao873]

What was the topic of talk again?

[@katelynpetersen6493]

I absolutely loved this ted talk

[@MS-in3sl]

Europeans arriving to the lands on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean in the 16th century brought diversity and multiculturalism. just keeping things in perspective.

[@echelon2k8]

Only if you consider Western Civilization to be diversity and multiculturalism.

[@dethmetal1396]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@googlgoogl1092]

I love it thank you!

[@geoycs]

Why do so many people say they have to watch it and don’t like it without saying why they think the lecture is so terrible.

[@someonenotnoone]

Very good question, they don't seem to have good answers.

[@skateparkreality]

That’s cool she mentioned healthy commons while she drinks from a bottle of water coming from my county

[@Aisubun]

why is my intercultural communications teacher picking videos with such heavy ratios lmao

[@MR-md1sh]

4:56

[@fullthrottlealways]

Social Justice = Communism

[@someonenotnoone]

When Stalin? When Vuvuzuela?

[@hellboy6507]

There is a difference between integration and multiculturalism. Integration lets you keep your heritage, but requires you to primarily follow the native culture. This is what the US has codified into law. Multiculturalism allows you to keep your culture without following the native culture. Obviously, having groups of people who do not follow the native culture will cause problems. We've seen it time and time again, in places like India for instance, or the Austro Hungarian Empire.

[@merknl6855]

True. This is a strong strategy used to destabilize a country from the inside

[@WE__BTS]

Native? In the US, what is codified into law is to follow the dominant white culture, not the native one lol

[@someonenotnoone]

Nothing about attempting to understand other cultures implies any people can do whatever they want despite it causing problems.

[@1965ace]

Tolerance or anti-Americanism? Multiculturalism is the sacred cow of the media and the left. If you disagree with the belief's of a FOREIGN culture here you are treated as a racist. The line between culture and skin color has been blurred. The one culture that is mocked criticized and denounced the most these days is the AMERICAN CULTURE. The American Culture is comprised of all races, and religions. It is the most inclusive Culture the world has ever known. Egalitarian multiculturalism (probably redundant) places American Culture on the same level as all other cultures. It is an idea that erodes critical thinking of young people. It goes well past tolerance (which is American) to marxism, and totalitarian intellectualism. This is the very reason some people are advocating censorship of certain words, (accurate but critical) muslim extremists, with a purpose to erode the First Amendment. This has the effect of shaming critical speech and greater damage to critical thinking. The American Culture is superior to other cultures because it is inclusive, in fact you might say it's the sum of other cultures. The problem arises when a culture is in conflict with Americanism. You can't have a nation where everything goes and that limit is defined by our laws. Our Constitution is the pinnacle of American Culture, it is the firewall and sentry also. In some cultures it is common and a basic belief that women are less than men and in their native countries they discriminate and practice this belief. It will not be tolerated in the American Culture because the Constitution rightly forbids it, or more accurately protects women's rights. American Culture is the great melting pot, this is not a country of segregated despotic communities at odds with each other. It is a blend of people with many different cultural backgrounds and cultures that for the most part consent to live under the Constitution for the greater good of tolerance and good will to their fellow Americans. Egalitarian multiculturalism (the political angle) claims the high moral ground by casting no judgement on the different cultures. This has paralyzed Europe to stop the destruction of their own native cultures, laws and traditions. Our Culture has been demoralized by critics and labeled unjustly as racist, war mongering, etc etc. This is the moral equality argument meant to stop critical thinking to prevent judgements on things like illegal immigration and the importation of refugees , some who may even be terrorists. Multiculturalism may seem innocuous but it is the Trojan Horse of Marxist ideas clothed in totalitarian mind control and weak minded knee jerk emotionalism. Cultures are not equal, Religions are not equal but in American Culture, Americans who practice their traditions and beliefs have equality under the LAW.

[@eggbert2082]

+1965ace but the US has no culture to be mocked or criticised

[@1965ace]

Egg Bert Yes we do it was called the melting pot where we all celebrate the Constitution and we have tolerance for our neighbors and mutual American customs. Most of the mocking and criticism comes from the left.

[@1965ace]

Tech Techington Those are the roots but let's add a unique Culture and history that is US Constitutional (for the most part).

[@seanwilliams5053]

+1965ace So...rich white slave owners? You're trying to draw a parallel between "multicultural tolerance" and "anti-Americanism". Yet, you haven't offered a definition of "anti-Americanism" to use as a platform to argue from. This is kind of a necessity. Your statements are all opinions, and your arguments (where there are any) are neither valid nor cogent. You also contradict yourself more than once in your rambling above. I think you need to sit down and figure out what you want to say, before you try to say it.

[@1965ace]

That is the point Americanism is multicultural tolerance but Multiculturalism is a one way street of intolerance toward assimilation to the greatest culture Americanism. Let's celebrate our commonality of a blend of people in the American Culture. Any society that seeks to celebrate divisiveness will crumble. I'm one of those Americans who doesn't even care where my great grandparents came from I came from the American Culture a blend of races, bloodlines, religions and cultures. You're an idiot if you talk about slave owners in terms of our country today. How many Americans gave their lives to end slavery ??? You want to blame some people for their ancestors and reward others for their ancestors , that is like your uncle robbs a bank and you are imprisoned for it. That is rambling incoherence.

[@onechangedlc]

This is an educational TED Talk on the topic of Multiculturalism please stop trolling and comment on the subject matter

[@yelsavidaravskaja905]

"Educational" Holy shit, I just chocked on my basilica leaves

[@PoetDarkling]

"Chocked?" lmao No ad hominem retort needed. You do a fine job of disparaging yourself.

[@sigwhite2806]

You found this educational? Ok then...

[@Energysunn2215]

Brainwashing ted talk

[@condomgraveyard666]

Worst TED talk ever.

[@GFreemanism]

I'm having to listen to this for a class. It's BS.

[@silvertemplar8061]

It is a horrible ideology that has so many drawbacks, I can’t believe it is a thing.

[@equinsuocha8905]

same

[@trinityfisher5798]

How so

[@fishtherapy100]

DIVERSHITTY IS OUR STENCH

[@lizzyregis]

Multiculturalism has worked so well in the past! I'm going to name all the countries with a lot of it! :D Austro-Hungary The Ottoman Empire Serbia The Mongolian Empire Yugoslavia Czechoslovakia Portuguese Empire Spanish Empire Korea Israel Palestine Jordan Iran Iraq Sudan China Russia Danish Empire India Pakistan Sinkiang Romania Bulgaria Germany France Slovakia Northern Cyprus Southern Cyprus Ukraine Bangladesh

[@SireSalty_]

literally all of these examples are ones where one ethnic group subjugated the rest, not what multiculturalism is my guy

[@demaxpacks5168]

@@SireSalty_ tell me an example of multiculturalism working

[@SireSalty_]

@@demaxpacks5168 United States, modern Germany and France

[@demaxpacks5168]

@@SireSalty_ hahahha, I'm from Deutschland myself, I can tell you, it doesn't work

[@demaxpacks5168]

@@SireSalty_ ah yes, as we all know America is so good, with ethnic tensions, cultural and ethnic tensions at an all time high, it truly works

[@silvertemplar8061]

Nothing about multiculturalism is good. If anyone is open to debate I’m here.

[@kerriekupar6466]

Ever heard for India. It works just fine for us.

[@silvertemplar8061]

Kerrie Kupar Well I certainly don’t want my nations’ culture swept away by those that are invasive, it may have worked fine there, but for most it doesn’t work. Personally the very concept shouldn’t exist at all, as each nation is entitled to upholding the same standards for all people and people have to conform to said culture, while still remaining true to who they are of course, except in extreme cases like Sharia Law which doesn’t conform to most law systems, due to infringing on the judiciary precedents of several countries.. The concept ruins that for individualistic states as well, you are basically cancelling out the uniqueness of another nation, through the implementation of such a system. I think that because you are from a country such as India that has a pretty interesting and stroked history of many cultures forming a single entity that you guys are the only other state that it works, but it seems for smaller nations such as Europe it just doesn’t work. Here’s the thing as well, it may not work in larger countries either due to the spreading out of ethnic groups. Take Russia for example, they have over 100 different ethnic groups over the spans of thousands of miles of territory and it just seems like an impossibility to enforce such a system. Other larger countries like China flat out deny it by terrorizing ethnic groups like the Uighurs, or even I or, emerging a twisted version of said idea, like the Chinese invading Tibet and replacing the native culture there whilst making a claim of territory, which has serious repercussions for the Tibetan way of life. Also when an ethnic group has preferential treatment or more leeway than that of the natives within the region there is a possibility for resentment and even hate to build up, and extreme example being colonial Europeans in Rwanda during the Scramble for Africa in which the ethnic group of Tutsis where given a higher standing which allowed them to lord over the native Hutu people as well. They may not have been a new group, but just look on how a power or form of government uplifted them to a higher status compared to the other, the Tutsis where able to be viewed as superior by the Europeans despite being a minority, and that hatred eventually built up to ethnic violence. Like I said extreme, but take other examples on how messy things can get when states are more ethnocentric or ethnic based, look no further than the horrors of the Bosnian war, which was a whole mess of territory being fought over by who had the ethnic claim. Even if it isn’t the case at all, these preferential treatment of ethnic groups would most defined toy create divisions within society. We should give aid to those who need help, but we cannot allow a compromise to equality of all within the government, and as stated could cause a whole mess of problems in which people shouldn’t have to deal with. Here in the US, people come to America to find a better life, and of course they cross the border after being registered as a US citizen, you now are loyal to the country you are in right now, there is no middle ground, as that is the reason you came. I have many relatives who came from Italy and some part German , and we still have several traditions mixed in with American style culture while proclaiming loyalty and recognizing what the nation itself stands for. United not through the sharing of the same race or culture, but through the idea that those should be free and endowed with the rights of a human. “Keep your language. Love its sounds, its modulation, its rhythm. But try to march together with men of different languages, remote from your own, who wish like you for a more just and human world.” ― Helder Camara, Spiral Of Violence “Pit race against race, religion against religion, prejudice against prejudice. Divide and conquer! We must not let that happen here.” ― Eleanor Roosevelt

[@kerriekupar6466]

@@silvertemplar8061 in a free country all people are allowed to follow what ever culture they wish as long as it doesn't violate the law of the land and do not force others to follow. That's the basis of a free country. Forcing others to follow your culture is violating your own freedoms guaranteed by the constitution.( considering your from a free democracy) and I'm definetly sure no one is asking u to follow their culture.

[@darkunor6687]

@@kerriekupar6466 and the high commander never answer....

[@angelscotch7169]

Really think about what equity means.

[@optimistic5778]

Axe multiculturalism

[@someonenotnoone]

Axe ignorance.

[@tonyminner2175]

4:20 14:06

[@susanjohnson2455]

So ironic that she is responsible for Portfolio management in Denver Public Schools yet this very approach has lead to the highest levels of segregation ever in DPS. Shame!

[@Xnaarkhoo]

reference needed

[@TheBarrickBoy]

God this is painful

[@SuszanneClay]

Excellent!

[@siddeshsajjan214]

it was pretty good.

[@jamesmurphy9105]

We live next to Mexico

[@Jhony-lv7jt]

Saquen el perico

[@jelouswitch1238]

Amen

[@PoetDarkling]

After reading the comments below, I now understand why people turn commenting off.

[@romanvasylyev6430]

Because they don't want to hear another opinion? When the matter is political, it is more than important to allow people to express their thought and discuss the matter.

[@sigwhite2806]

I’m dizzy from all the SJW meaningless fake buzzwords...this was void of anything critical or educational. No wonder we are losing in educational standards compared to the rest of the world. How do these people not see that? This feelings based learning has got to stop.

[@elchefe7701]

Well, this "multiculturalism " takes place only in the USA, Europe, and Australia. European white culture was already there, it built this countries.the western, white culture obviously has to be replaced with other people's culture by erasing the "white" culture. I can see no melting or co-existing. -"Multiculturalism " is not installed in any of the countries of Asia or Afrika. There it is the other way around: the indigenous culture has to prevail at all cost and is encouraged to do so. -All the people who come to the countries of the West which are countries of "white" culture come there because of the result of this white culture: equal law and prosperity. Funny thing: the culture they are bringing there is the culture they are fleeing, it leads to tyranny, misgovernment and misogyny for all.

[@condomgraveyard666]

El Chefe great comment.

[@ohmsweetohm7214]

After watching videos like this, I am increasingly convinced of the fact that the problem with 'Separate but Equal' was not the 'separate' bit, but the 'equal' bit, because it was in fact 'separate but unequal'. Now, I am not an American, so perhaps I am missing something, but would not the best way to repair this 'consciousness gap' (not just in Education, but throughout society and business) on a racial basis be to give African Americans (As well as members of the European African diaspora perhaps), Latino/Hispanics, Native Americans and European Americans their own sovereign ethnic homelands out of the territory of the present United States, Canada and Mexico? In each ethnic homeland, each race would be free to pursue their own destiny, make their own laws, assert their own confidence, build their own businesses and develop their own racial consciousness, which I believe would be ultimately better than the half measures and compromises necessitated by a dysfunctional multi-ethnic state such as the US, Canada or Mexico. Why should it not be the case that European Americans, African Americans, Native Americans and Latino Americans be given the space and resources necessary to create their own institutions designed specifically for their own ethnic and cultural needs, whilst interacting with each other as sovereign entities engaged in mutually beneficial trade and dealing with trans-national issues. Yes, I am convinced, not just as a White/European Nationalist, but as a person who hopes to see each ethnic group embrace their own respective nationalisms in their own sovereign territories, whilst interacting with each other in a spirit of common interest through trade and dealing with cross-border, trans-national and global issues.

[@crzbrzilian101]

wow! I never thought I would read such a thing. I'm all for the real melting pot American integration, but holy cow, how can what you are proposing to be done? I'm Brazilian that looks white with 85% Europian, married to a guy that is American white, and that had a mixture of adopted and biological mixed kids. I'm sorry but how about, follow the constitution and the laws of the country one choose to live in and respect others if you like them or not.

[@SireSalty_]

you're just suggesting we create ethnostates, kinda cringe

[@sofiazamora6646]

Omg! as a latina american with immigrant parents, the idea of having citizenship to a land where I am free to pursue my own destiny, propose and protest its laws, assert my own confidence, build my own businesses and develop my own racial consciousness sounds amazing. Oh wait that place already exists!! The U.S already offers me all of that. Yes it is not perfect, and it is by far easy to do those things but god bless America for granting me the rights to do so. I do not think it will take money and land to progress, just conversations and changes in perspective.

[@kingfischer]

It doesn't work

[@someonenotnoone]

Understanding doesn't work if you don't try, no.

[@harrytd]

Casuistry evident, evidence for the arguments completely absent, proposition taken as axiomatically a good thing. Having endured the whole talk I am reluctantly forced to employ a tactic here that the left reaches for as the default option; "What you are Sir shouts so loud I cannot hear your argument". Or in the left's case, will not hear your argument. And that's a shame. I fully understand the post-modernist roots of these ideas, but still many years later struggle to find the arguments, let alone the empirical evidence, for their existence as a good thing for society.

[@user-yu8nq9yx6k]

Is she jewish?

[@matthewpedroza761]

I feel like this woman hates herself

[@vietNguyen.]

Please shut up

[@25kenyada]

Matthew Pedroza please explain this comment

[@Melvorgazh]

Hard to understand all the nonsense she talks about :/

[@Nadia-li4bq]

Oh my yes indeed :(.....she's just talking but what about? No one has an idea!!!

[@The_Great_White]

"I'm gonna use y'all as a gender neutral pronoun"......yell I'm gonna use DUMB SHIT!!!!

[@relaxandcalmdown2839]

Multiculturalism for me is a person that can practice his or her culture in another country. But let's be honest here, let's not make any stereotypes of any culture. Because we only should follow laws of a country you're staying, because a country protects citizens and immigrants. We should not have ethnic cleansing because this is unlawful. Immigrants are sometimes a blessing and a curse.

[@CaptainB007]

What a diabolical figure!

[@ThatJaybeezy]

This is just so SO well done!!! This is my constant soap box as an ECE educator and a first generation Mexican-American woman. I will be sharing this everywhere I can!

[@brittanycoolidge4101]

So you are ok with stereotyping ppl based on your assumptions and their cultures history without actually getting to know the person beforehand? Race means more than character is what I got out of this.

[@jamesmurphy9105]

She looks like Mao

[@rubengarcia8266]

this lady is why Donald Trump WON! and for that I thank you!!!

[@weaverpsu]

what?

[@SociallyInept97]

No, all of the idiots calling multiculturalism "white genocide" are why Trump won. It's terrifying to know how many of you exist in the U.S.

[@condomgraveyard666]

AMEN!

[@matheuspinheiro4796]

@@FactsFirst are you saying that poor white people doesn't exist? And separating them won't help them integrate. You know that all these western values didn't came from nothing right? Tolerance started when people started being tolerant to others and so should you. How living with different people without a close ideology to your logic is uneducated? Also the cheap labor would help them to be educated.

[@HitomiAyumu]

Could not agree more!

[@bernardjackson6594]

This didn't age very well🤣

[@trinityfisher5798]

How so

[@someonenotnoone]

Your comment you mean?

[@flormendoza2588]

342 McCarthy's followers don't like this video

[@renovationtoronto6910]

Color-ism will eventually disappear. In future most people will look the same color and same facial features and body structure. I am already seeing among my circle of friends one person is having a kid with Irish community another one with Spanish community and another one with Italian community. Its giving me the idea of 'survival of our offspring'. I am willing to adapt for any community that is best for survival. Now its a question of which community that you blend in will survive successfully and pass on your offspring to the next generation? To my knowledge who ever blends in with the dominant community has a higher chance of survival of their offspring to the next generation. Which community has more happiness and potential prosperity and which community has more suffering and oppression?

[@timetravlinggamingstudios6843]

Permission use small parts of the video in college class project Multiculurlism.

[@danielpadilla7601]

No

[@Arielking38]

Very confused in attempting to follow the logic here, if any. I can comfortably say that after both reading the comments and watching the video, I am very disappointed in this TedTalk.

[@ladi7133]

cancerous comments! The talk is aimed at teachers so I didn't see the get/relevance of some of the things she said. I think critical thinking and social justice are not equivalent, although i do appreciate critical thinking when considering social justice and vice versa. I understand social justice as equity based; giving people from all backgrounds the opportunities and resources to excel. Excel is a highly subjective term, here, collective critical thinking is how we decide on what resources and who do we give it to. Social justice as an aim, critical thinking as a process. On the other hand, you can apply pretty good critical thinking and still decide against social justice.

[@Melvorgazh]

What "multiculturalism" leads to?If it includes a future with beautiful White people it can be ok

[@vietNguyen.]

Why only white? There Arent white People. We all are people! So get off !

[@Aguijon1982]

IT is NOT the left and multiculturalism that imports inmigrants (cheaper workers from abroad). It is the free market trying to get cheaper workers. Free market does not care about saving your culture. Making the most profit is all that matters.

[@HappyHermitt]

If one cannot see the obvious mess it's made, they are on the wrong planet. Call me whatever name you like. It won't work on me. You cannot call me blind though.

[@holybased901]

Native American here, I agree with you 100%. Multiculturalism is a disease. It destroyed Chahta's ally Ireland, theyre Muslim now.

[@someonenotnoone]

You might as well be a jehovah's witness trying to convert me. No facts.

[@d2y2]

are you a boy or girl???

[@JJ-ic7sq]

So cringe

[@justicerighteousness3105]

There’s so much variety in race and culture. And so many perspectives on ethnics ,communication, spirituality, politics and so forth. That multi cultural-ism when it comes to inter marriage isn’t necessarily a good thing across the board.

[@roisin9401]

"is she jewish" is a comment i knew i would see in this comment section. disappointed but not surprised.

[@ShanicuaTV]

are YOU jewish?

[@josecarranza7555]

Why does the question bother you?

[@HooFHearteD77]

EVERY SINGLE TIME!

[@lekorf4590]

Multicultural is bad idea...

[@someonenotnoone]

Understanding other cultures is a bad idea?

[@HarrySmith-hr2iv]

This woman is as silly as a sack of A--holes.

[@d2y2]

lol

[@rossspenser8314]

Failed

you leftists are the scum of the world your time is ticking tick tack tick tack...