Telescopes and Pyramids (feat. Physics Girl) - Objectivity 193

[@PerMortensen]

Yes, definitely do a video on the guy who was crossed out of the Charter Book! There must be a delicious story behind that.

[@praveenb9048]

I always enjoy Objectivity episodes that contain a dash of Schadenfreude.

[@bennylofgren3208]

bobby288 Obviously deletable as well...

[@rin_etoware_2989]

they do mention in a lot of other episodes that names get crossed out of the Charter Book if the fellow fails to pay their regular membership fees

[@zapfanzapfan]

She is soo lovely! Get well soon Dianna! ❤

[@olekaarvaag9405]

4:03 "That's why we have peer reviews. Someone else has to also do a waterpainting." Cracked me up man. Those tables of spectrums look super interesting! I could watch a whole video on that page alone, especially if the methods and tools they used were explained. Looking forward to the video on crossed out names in the book!

[@Seele2015au]

Some additional points. At 2:13, after the 1851 Great Exhibition in London, stereoscopic photography became very common and popular, so it's not unexpected for Smith to practice that as an aid to document what he saw in 1856. While it was not long after the official announcement of the invention of photography in 1839, the first pioneering years saw tremendous advances in its technology; it's no longer a novelty but a mature imaging system well ingrained in the collective psyche. Still, Smith's study of the pyramids was also significant in the history of photography as it was the first use of artificial light, when he photographed the interiors.

[@novafawks]

1:58 if you are on a phone, you can actually get the 3-D effect by having the video in full-screen, bringing it really close to your eyes and "unfocusing" on the image. It's blurry, but it actually works!

[@itsawonderfullife4802]

The problem is the right photo is somewhat discolored, causing some mismatch. I can be done, through not ideally; specially the background.

[@superfluidity]

I can get it on my desktop PC too, by reducing the zoom level down to about 60% and then diverging my eyes (as if looking at something further away than the screen). I've looked at a lot of 3D stereogram pictures before. If the pictures were the other way around then we'd be able to get the effect by crossing our eyes instead of diverging them and we wouldn't need to zoom out.

[@joost199207]

Works just fine on a laptop for me.

[@error.418]

@@superfluidity You can also just back away from your screen to make the divergent method work without zooming out. Essentially you're trying to get the arc length between the centers of the photographs in your field of view to be equal to or less than the distance between your eyes.

[@superfluidity]

@@error.418 I'm not sure I understand. If my interpupillary distance is e.g. 6cm, and the maximum I'm able to diverge my eyes is to what I would need to look at something very far away, then don't I need the displacement between the images to be more than 6cm? If the images are 10cm displaced on my screen how far would I need to back away? How would you calculate it?

[@chemxcore]

The painting of Saturn is really incredible. I have always admired the iconic image with the shadow from the planet cast onto the rings, but to see it depicted with such clarity and accuracy over 160 years ago is almost beyond words. It's got to be one of the best things shown on Objectivity so far in my opinion!

[@BobWidlefish]

*@chemxcore* I had the the same thought, it’s EPIC! I felt like they were slighting him a bit, when they should have been amazed! Oh well, different strokes for different folks, as the saying goes.

[@wendywander7]

I agree! I'd love to see it side by side with the Cassini photograph at a similar angle!

[@AaronSherman]

Inquiring minds want to know: who was it that got scrubbed from the list at the end of the video?!

[@amber1862]

Matt Parker.

[@Halosty45]

@@amber1862 I guess that happened when they found out about the Parker Square.

[@praveenb9048]

Erich von Danniken

[@abdullahkilinc473]

Amberoot Audio idk if it was Matt or not but the one who was scrapped sure was a Parker FRS

[@Mrfailstandstil]

Amberoot Audio lolo gud one bro 😭😭😂😂

[@awuma]

I suggest a look at the legendary Fritz Zwicky's feud with most of his colleagues, which he presented in the preface of his and his wife's "Catalogue of selected compact galaxies and of post-eruptive galaxies" (1971). Another was Willem Luyten of the University of Minnesota, who published (or prepared) quite a few polemics against fellow astronomers, some of which are referenced in Upgren's 1995 obituary of Luyten in the PASP.

[@incollectio]

About two years ago, I was on my first ever solo-hiking trip, and first time ever seeing a mountain, going up Teide (the volcano at Tenerife that is depicted here). I saw the sunset up top. Truly spectacular; easily the single most breathtaking sight I've ever seen. However, long story short, I was underprepared and consequently ended up getting lost when coming down (I had no flashlight and got lost from the track in the darkness). Also my phone battery had died and I was severely underdressed. After stumbling around for enough time and shouting at the darkness to no avail, I ended up spending the night in a bush, thinking I might freeze to death. My only company was the most spectacular starry sky I've ever seen. Such an experience really wakes you up in life... Anyway, thanks for the video. Really awesome stuff. I hope to go back there yet, this time better prepared. In fact, a trip is booked for late February to early March.

[@danieljensen2626]

Classic un-prepared outdoor adventure, glad you came out alright. Make sure you learn from your mistakes. There was a guy who died on Long Peak in Colorado this summer because he was unprepared and got lost. Turned out he'd done the same thing a couple years back and got rescued. Apparently didn't learn from the experience at all.

[@qwertyTRiG]

First time seeing a mountain? Where are you from?

[@arcanics1971]

I have been up Mount Teide in Tenerife- well as far up as is allowed without special permission. Not only do the drawings in the video look like another planet but the entire landscape is reminiscent of Mars or some other barren but beautiful space landscape. In fact much of Tenerife looks like a Sci-Fi setting- a fact that many TV and film makers have taken advantage of. I would love to see use the astronomical equipment there but I have nothing that would convince those working there that I should have the chance to. But I can always dream...

[@rif6876]

For the qualitative watercolors of Jupiter and Saturn, I wonder what the paper said? "Climbed mountain, pointed telescope at Jupiter, see figure #1"

[@Macieks300]

Probably pretty much but written in a fancy way.

[@shookings]

Brady, in light of this video, I think I'd like to see some things in the Royal Society that were given a hallowed place in their time, and then later turned out to be categorically WRONG. I think it would make a nice contrast and serve to show that learning and science are an ongoing endeavor

[@garygough6905]

There could be weeks of videos on the effort ( and some doctoral papers ) dedicated to explaining away the appearance of continental drift. I recall the first people looking at the symmetric bands of magnetic rock on either side of the mid Atlantic ridge were a bit hesitant to call it that in the face of the existing work debunking the idea of drift.

[@litigioussociety4249]

If you unfocus your eyes on those sterograms, the 3D effect is really good.

[@Kae6502]

Yup, I did that too. Glad I wasn't the only one! :)

[@autumnmango794]

r/ParallelView

[@khadijagwen]

I am quite pleased to see that Ms Cowern is doing so well. Blessings on you girl!

[@utl94]

05:14 There a signature of Baden-Powell below Robert FitzRoy and George Biddell Airy as well. This is the father of the prominent R. S. S. Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell, who founded the Scout Movement.

[@IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT]

0:13 Dianna (holding a wooden object): I mean… it looks like a matcher or something Brady: There you go! You're the first person to ever get it right! I was thinking the same thing, that it looked like an acoustic matching horn for ultrasound or something, but I thought it couldn't possibly be that because one of those wouldn't be that old or wooden. *awaits someone telling me she said "masher"*

[@GoldSrc_]

Wow, those stereo photos are really good, if you can see the magic eye pictures it should be easy to see the 3D effect on those old photos.

[@twothreebravo]

ME (when video showed in my subscriptions): OOOH!!! A new Physics Girl video!!! Wait....It's Objectivity?!?!? HELL YEAH!!!

[@PalimpsestProd]

6:48 nice to see he was precise enough to note that the pyramid sides are not straight.

[@GetToKnowNature]

How great to see Physics Girl on Objectivity! Excellent video as always.

[@GlassTopRX7]

Got them a new sub.

[@u0000-u2x]

Nice to see Dianna appearing on Objectivity! She made so many intelligent questions and remarks! Very cool ps: the documents shown are pretty impressive also! :P

[@erictaylor5462]

4:00 "It would be easy to falsify data." This is still true today, and you still have the consequences of doing such a thing. The reputation of a scientist is everything. If you falsify data you destroy your reputation, and it's hard to imagine a field where you are more likely to be caught lying. Once you are caught lying, you will be seen as unreliable. Making a mistake is one thing, being dishonest is quite another.

[@marcusfromsweden]

I agree. The main problem today is that the fact that someone is unreliable (because of earlier lying or misdoings) seem to vanish in the mist of the Tavistockish media coverage.

[@danieljensen2626]

With that method it would almost be hard NOT to falsify data though. Lord knows I can't paint very well...

[@erictaylor5462]

By falsifying data, I mean to report things you know are not correct. It really has nothing to do with bad drawings.

[@danieljensen2626]

@@erictaylor5462 Fair enough. Although you still had the problem that no one else could really re-interpret the data you took in this way since they have no way of knowing how accurate your reproduction is.

[@erictaylor5462]

Okay, look. The point of science is you can make the same observations later and get the same data. Interpreting the data is done after that data is gathered. I'll give you an example. Say some flat Earther wants to prove this by observation. He goes out and watches a ship sailing away. He sees the hull of the ship disappear over the horizon before the sails do. This observation is inconsistent with the flat Earth and, in fact, is consistent with the globe model. The flat Earther then says he sat the ship sail away until it was too far away to see, with the hull visible the entire time. Now another person performs the same observation and sees the hull disappear first. At this point the second observer will know the flat Earther falsified his data. In this case, where they are looking at carefully drawn maps, we can be sure how accurate it is by looking at the original data. If we doubt the data we can always do the measurements ourselves. So yes, we *CAN* know how accurate the reproduction is.

[@slyfox0086]

BEST CROSSOVER! This is awesome, so happy to see it.

[@esslar1]

This was an amazing story; the drawings and paintings from Tenerife are stunning. While it's too bad about Smyth's later waltz with the occult, the astronomy he did was wonderful.

[@equesdeventusoccasus]

For the stereoscopic picture if you place a card between the two images and place your nose up to the card, then stare straight forward, you will see a single 3d image of the picture. For me, a 15cm or 6 inch card matte black in color worked best.

[@bcddd214]

I think this is the most important channel on KZbin. Pure science. (trophies)

[@rfldss89]

its amazing how each episode of objectivity involves about as much drama as a whole season of love island.

[@WhatAboutTheBee]

He didn't leave in a huff. He left in a minute and a huff. Yup Keith, one of those nefarious youTube comments.

[@praveenb9048]

Sir Smyth's huff arrived, and he departed in it.

[@michaelsommers2356]

Anyone who's ever heard of Groucho had the very same thought.

[@RBuckminsterFuller]

Great episode full of science and intrigue. And Dianna is awesome as always.

[@Kraja111]

yay I found this through "Hello Internet" and now i have even more Dr Brady Haran (as if the podcast is not enoth) Thank you for your Content I enjoy it very much

[@kibidk]

Has Brady ever done a prolonged interview with Kieth only? If not he really should.

[@rfldss89]

objectivity: come for the science, stay for the drama.

[@Rigel34085]

That was a fascinating. Interesting dude. We need a longer version!

[@zapfanzapfan]

Lovely guest!

[@Palifiox]

Election certificate also includes Major Thomas M. Brisbane, formerly Governor of New South Wales

[@michaelsommers2356]

There was also Francis Beaufort, of the Beaufort scale, and the guy who picked Darwin for the trip.

[@DaniMakes]

Was the thing at the beginning, not related to the topic, a muddler? The thing that she was the first to guess correctly it is used to mash things?

[@praveenb9048]

Newton would have insisted on publishing that pyramid stuff. Or perhaps he would have secretly thought that it *ought* to be published, since he didn't publicly express his own interest in the occult and the mystical. I'm wondering if the Society received a lot of this sort of submission back in the 17th and 18th centuries. Are there any records like -- "Newton *REACTS* to Pyramidology claims!"

[@cavv0667]

This episode seems largely about Subjectivity... Smyth became not a scientist, but a philosopher and speculator... Oh, and Dianna is Wonderful as always!!!

[@marcusfromsweden]

Another GREAT upload with the added bonus of Dianna appearing :O)

[@canadiannuclearman]

so who got crossed out ?

[@Stadtpark90]

3:44 Jupiter did not have the great red spot / storm in 1856?? Or is it on the other side of the planet then?

[@sundhaug92]

Wikipedia notes earlier observations from 1665 and 1713 of what is believed to be the same storm, and that it has been continuously observed since 1830

[@DasGanon]

5:24 Baden Powell, not Robert Baden-Powell, the father of Scouting, but his father.

[@bruzie900]

I was wondering about that

[@SFKelvin]

Can I just say the cross-outs are SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING #barbarastreisandeffect

[@G5rry]

More Diana! She's awesome.

[@neruneri]

I'm sorry, but did that man do a callout thread in the 1800s? What a modern man!

[@tjampman]

Damn it, I was also on the canary islands where they have the telescopes, and the clouds where nothing like that. The closest I have been to a solar eclipse and bloody clouded on top of tenerife!

[@AlexRhodesMV]

I'd love to hear stories about members who were kicked out of the Royal Society!

[@aitchpea6011]

Approximately twenty years before the writing of this comment, I meet a historian. He is a learned and well-schooled fellow, and I find him to be entirely personable. Of interest to me is his inability to use the past tense as he shares his wisdom with me.

[@firstnamegklsodascb4277]

RIP Terry Davis

[@aladaris]

Hello from Tenerife! :)

[@vicchavez6570]

Thank you I've been saying this for years , pyramids were observatories.

[@sudip.shrestha01]

she looks so happy :D

[@wilfredswinkels]

if you look at the pictures cross eyed, the middle picture is in 3d.

[@slikrx]

Wasn't some of the original studies on the seasonal changes in CO2 concentration done on Hawaii? Not sure if the guy would have been a FRS, but ya never know!

[@NetAndyCz]

4:00 is the Jupiter upside down?

[@michaelsommers2356]

Which way is up?

[@Arikayx13]

Given his skills with optics and cameras I wouldn't be surprised if the water colors weren't traced and done over projected images.

[@RobertSzasz]

The planets aren't bright enough for that, but a beam splitter to view through the telescope, and down at the paper at the same time could be done.

[@No-pm4ss]

This was incredibly interesting xD. Definitely enjoyed and would like to hear more stories about famous scientists

[@tommarshallnikon]

Crossover from 2 absolute legends!!!! (numeral 2 for attention) pls moar!!!

[@MiguelBaptista1981]

Steve Howe sure has knowledge beyond music.

[@SFKelvin]

The Election certificate had Baden Powell, founder of the Boy Scouts ... not highlighted :(

[@brianpoi5117]

Dianna is awesome!

[@TheNervousnation]

Fascinating

[@j0nthegreat]

you mention Teneriffe and all i can think about is that plane crash

[@enormhi]

Dianna is great!

[@htmlguy88]

well his last name is an anagram of myths.

[@Macieks300]

3:57 you know Keith's not going to like you if you're accusing TRS of falsifying data

[@adamgray9212]

Do it for the phil-trans...

[@CharlesVanNoland]

Little did he know that a century later man would be in pursuit of transcending earth's gravitational prison and venturing skyward!

[@bako9751]

Top 10 cross over of all time.

[@johnlawrenson-ny9fu]

I just have subscribed to physics girl trll her that I subscribed

[@JavSusLar]

3:08 Orion

[@PinkChucky15]

Wow, he really was upset at the Royal Society.

[@ac4740]

The Royal Society rep is so british its hilarious

[@myrrdyn]

Is Piazzi Smyth actually pronounced like that?

[@myrrdyn]

243 views and still the only comment? Objectivity viewers surprise me, actually waiting to watch the whole video before commenting

[@DerpMuse]

yes

[@PerMortensen]

Certainly sounds right to me.

[@SterremanWillie]

I also always heard it pronounced differently (more the way it is spelled).

[@DavidB5501]

If I remember rightly, his father was friends with an Italian scientist called Piazzi, and chose one of his son's names in honour of him. So it's an Italian name and Keith's pronunciation is near enough.

[@andrewkelley7062]

In the investigation of though there always comes a point where the obscure or insane becomes the norm. Unfortunately without insight into the subject the results that come close to reality are smeared as magic and instead of understanding only scorn is found. The concept always stays so the magic stays. Unfortunately no one wants to look into magic.

[@benjaminbrewer2569]

It is good to remember scientists are human too. This means some discoveries take time to be accepted because of human egotism.

[@KattarJ]

Temple OS

[@NewAnimalMusic]

RIP Terry. You and Diana will be together again in Heaven.

[@prestonio]

@@NewAnimalMusic the CIA will ensure this will not happen. cease your investigations.

[@frankharr9466]

Well???? Was he right!?!?!?!?!?!? Not about the mystic business, of course.

[@BobWidlefish]

8:00 occult secret society you say?

[@jonathanrichards593]

I think he means occult simply as 'hidden', rather than alleging that the Society is organized in covens.

[@BobWidlefish]

*@Jonathan Richards* I think he means secret dealings.

[@ooloncolluphid7904]

UhhMAZING.

[@-Kerstin]

I hope you guys recorded more than one episode with Physics Girl ^^

[@leppeppel]

Are you telling me Charles Piazzi Smyth was a 19th century ALIENS meme?

[@tobiasthepious182]

Never read the comments!

[@GPCTM]

7:13 F.S.R. = Fellowship of the Royal Society

[@joeycmore]

Or perhaps the point is missed that demonstrates how biases and prejudices actually limit the scientific dialogue and ultimately advances.

[@jefffritts68]

its been suggested that the higgs field isnt at its lowest energy state, and if it ever jumps to its next lower energy state we are all going to have a really bad day....could the big bang just have been the higgs jumping down from a higher energy state?

[@DirtyRobot]

But how did he end up in Hawaii??????????????

[@namelast6152]

🤪 Smyth drop the S an its Myth ?

[@MadhuAkash]

Most interesting video of youtube

[@IllumTheMessage]

She could be in the RS someday.

[@Peds013]

I

[@MdSalman-lf9mh]

love from bangladesh😮😍💝💝💝

[@mentuemhet]

she's very pretty

[@Mrfailstandstil]

Omg she's so gorgeous 😍😍😍

[@PantsB4Squares]

well don't just sit there...

[@MrFreezook]

Abnormality in communication Thank you for mentioning briefly that the planets pictures / maps were 1st drawn by hand as paintings

[@sbonel3224]

Lol americans in the royal society. What's next?