Caleb And Sophia Teach Kids To Accept "Discipline"

[@aliceblankenship1021]

Caleb and Sophia is the definition of “I told a joke to my parents and they turned it into a lecture”

[@seeriousli8169]

thats the JW way

[@johnnymoon]

“If discipline is love, then you must love me a whole lot.” Sounds almost exactly like a line from Moral Orel.

[@sebastiannemeth-ramirez2160]

You must be reading my mind, because I came here to say exactly that. It's horrifying they are saying that unironically, where Moral Orel pretty much has said that ironically. Fuck me, that is psychotic as fuck. This dude just straight up admits he beats his kid a LOT. With a creepy chuckle no less.

[@ScisaacFisaac]

This is the basis of Clay's character! When his delusional mom died, Clay's father started hitting him for every little thing, and the impressionable and very coddled Clay thought that was his way of saying he loved him. The end result? A disaster of abuse and hatred waiting to happen again (:

[@michelehemlokhexwhite4310]

Oh I've never heard of this series! I better go look it up lol

[@michelehemlokhexwhite4310]

Lol not lol.... I know it's freaking disgusting indoctrination 😞

[@Akira625]

@@michelehemlokhexwhite4310 Fair warning, Morel Orel can get pretty dark. The final season is the darkest of all, and Adult Swim actually asked the creator of the show to make it darker. They got far more than what they bargained for, and cancelled it. Guess you gotta be careful what you wish for!

[@acemaxwell364]

My step sister and step dad used to be Jehovah's witnesses. I asked him why he left his marriage and religion behind and what he said broke me. He said one day he was picking up my step sister from school walking to her classroom with one of office ladies (he didn't remember what her job was exactly) and he heard his daughter crying begging to join in a little girls birthday saying how she didn't need a cupcake or goodie bag how she just wanted to feel like she had friends and be included. My step dad said he didn't know for sure what changed but that he knew he needed to get out because he never wanted to hear his daughter cry or feel like that again

[@nova14414]

Wtf... I feel so bad for them.. that's fucked up ;-;

[@amandalicorne7769]

I'm glad he left for her sake. The poor girl must have felt so isolated!

[@soappacket2342]

that's why I don't get how parents beat their kids!! how could you ever hit someone you love :(

[@bluehorizons8913]

I wish more people in that religion thought of there kids. I was raised in that vile cult and felt so isolated. I’m happier since I left.

[@claraf.6833]

It's heartbreaking how children who grow up as a Witness are isolated from such an early age. Not even being able to hear Happy Birthday because you're "not important" is vile. I hope your stepsister is doing better now ❤

[@werewolfantipaladin]

"If discipline is love then you must love me a whole lot" That is beyond disturbing. Yeah. Caleb is beaten pretty regularly

[@jae.lorin.]

Ikr😦

[@Matthew-LAMF]

Sounds exactly like something an abuser would say! "I hit you because I love you"

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

​@@Matthew-LAMF and God. It's why I'm atheist.

[@DellaDykeborn]

Also sounds like BDSM kink

[@JojoJere]

@@LuckyPigeon1111 NOPE, "SPARING the rod" means NOT guiding children

[@101stumphead]

This short demonstrates how bad corporal punishment is because they won't even show it. Bit they do demonstrate a parent having a talk with their child to help them understand something. I remember telling my parents that I wishd they would talk to me instead of hitting me and they would say "we do talk to you" and I said "no you always hit me" and to prove their point that they don't always hit me they hit me

[@Angel-of8kz]

Exactly. If corporal punishment was as good as its supporters claim it to be, you'd not only see it everywhere (e.g.: in public, schools, children's media, etc.), but the countries that do legally ban it in any way wouldn't have banned it to begin with. It's almost like most people know it's bad, but are either too ignorant to know better, or just don't care, or are actually sadistic.

[@regansmith7786]

I’m so sorry that I laughed at the ending of this paragraph. But, you are absolutely right. We need to teach our children and talk to them way more than hitting them. It’s terrible how abuse is normalized.

[@teleriferchnyfain]

Funny - I used to wish my parents spanked me rather than talk to me forever (my dad) & ground me etc 😂😂😂🤗

[@noumenonification]

​@@teleriferchnyfain getting hit is worse. when I was little, my parents would keep a mental note of our allowance and we'd need their permission to spend it. a family we were friends with have their kids cash so I asked for cash citing them. my parents pointed out those kids also got paddled and said I'd have to accept that punishment to get the same reward as them. I got paddled one time and changed my mind. no matter what you think you can put up with instead of nonviolent annoyances, you can't. or at the very least, you shouldn't have to.

[@teleriferchnyfain]

@@noumenonification I was a kid when I thought this, & was basing this on the (extremely few) times I did get spanked. In fact this underlines the ineffectiveness of spanking.

[@wolvesgirl1565]

I always say this " If you love me, why do you hurt me?" You can discipline a child without hitting or spanking them I wish more people understood that

[@DigiVixen]

I had that spun right back at me "We discipline you because we love you, if we didn't love you we'd let you go all wily-nily", or some such like that.

[@funkyweapon1981]

My parents would take things away from me. I would rather they just hit me.

[@theflyingspaget]

​@@funkyweapon1981Same here, but I'd probably have a different choice when I was younger and didn't have much to give up. Taking away my toys would definitely be better than being hit, but I'll take a dozen hits rather than have my phone taken away. It's not as traumatic when you're older either, but I suppose that's why they stop doing it. Well, that and the fact that you can hit back.

[@juiceoverflow]

imagine if the logic here applied to the rest of life. Make a mistake at work? Better believe you're gonna get smacked in the mouth by your manager! Spoke out of line? Well get your pants off, its time for a spanking! My wife said something I didn't like? I know the solution, I'll hit her and it'll make everything alright!

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

I "dicipline" my dog when she is acting bad withouth hurting her, if i can teach my dog to be good and nice withouth hurting her why is it so hard for JW to do the same to their kids? A child have the perk to understand what you tell them compared to a dog.

[@haven_unfound]

I managed to leave JWs last year. I grew up raised by my JW paternal grandparents. My grandmother was so deluded by the scripture “Jehovah disciplines those he loves” that she always told me growing up that she felt if she did something and didn’t get “discipline” her than it meant that he didn’t love her. So she willingly and happily accepted “discipline”/chastisement from the elders because she felt like it was them showing her Jehovah’s love rather than seeing that it was Watchtower exerting it’s control.

[@aliwright1016]

Thanks for sharing... I've always been worried for kids in cults, but find it hard to understand as I was never pressurised in this way. Love my parents for giving us love, .morals, reasoning and our free will to choose...without need of 'the birch/rod'. Religion is messed up.

[@Hddhshwuushshs]

Jeez, that's so sad, and horrifying. I'm so very glad you managed to escape. 😢

[@rileyfuckingrifle]

Wow. That's pretty crazy. (Sad too.) Congratulations on making it out! 💕 That's amazing.

[@Anne--Marie]

Your poor brainwashed grandmother! That is so sad.

[@chrisccc22]

Do JW's let their children have smart phones? One thing I have noticed since smart phones is nobody looks anyone in the eye anymore. They are disconnected. I wonder how the lord would feel about that?

[@juliemassam933]

Another subtle clue is that apparently the dad didn't even tell his wife he'd disciplined Caleb! Unless she did know and pretended she didn't, just to start the conversation.

[@aaa-tp6ud]

Former jw kid here. I'm not sure if this was the intention and correct me if I'm wrong, but they believe the husband, as the head of the family doesn't need the wife's approval. They can ask, but they don't have to follow their wives advice, because it's their call when it comes to leading the family and wives are supposed to be submissive and understanding..

[@dancingnature]

Step ford wife behavior. Owen put up another video of the wife telling the kids that they can go to the park afterwards and the husband comes in and changes their plans without even informing the wife. I was like whoa ! That’s rude and disrespectful! Are women treated like inanimate objects with no brains, needs, ideas or plans ? That’s scary . I guess I picked up on it because my late father used to do that to my mother. Even as a child I thought that was disrespectful.

[@cooperminion825]

What really gets me is how the mom doesn't even ask what the kid did

[@katarinatibai8396]

​@@cooperminion825Because she is brainwashed into thinking that her amazing man is always right. Even when he were 100% wrong and she would recognize it, she have to shut up and go with it anyway.

[@kelsey.targaryen]

The tree analogy is so funny to me, like even if a tree gets knocked over if it’s still alive it will correct itself in its own time. The dad going in and fixing it it’s just another metaphor for not allowing your kids to change when they’re ready. Because either way the tree is gonna grow straight up that’s what trees do

[@DoloresLehmann]

Well, actually it wouldn't grow straight on its own, because it had been planted in a spot where it didn't spring up. So the roots didn't have the chance to be the natural support they otherwise would have been. But that, too, could serve as a metaphor for how it damages kids to "plant" them in an environment not naturally suited for them, like a cult.

[@christines2787]

​@ferret - as a home owner with about 50 fruit trees, I can't support this statement!

[@christines2787]

@R Hamlet - more contact with the trunk and branches to the ground could lead to more pest pressure and rot.

[@FrogsForBreakfast]

Stakes just make a tree weaker. They're only used for transplants until it grows enough roots to hold itself in place. As long as it's not dug up and moved, a seedling will develop enough roots naturally as it grows. It needs to be blown around by the wind to encourage a strong truck and roots. Stakes prevent it from being blown around. If the tree falls over anyway, either it was diseased, the wind was unusually strong (like a tornado or hurricane) or it's not a good species for the climate.

[@christines2787]

@@FrogsForBreakfast - Agreed. Just till established. I stake new transplants that are tall for the first year. I get two 6 to 8 ft fruit trees yearly. They need to be staked or they just don't stay upright. The rest are less expensive short trees.. they never need it.

[@pancakeuscornflakeus]

As someone who's trying to get out of this shitty ass cult, I thank you for this. I've been using my friend's account to try and figure my way out and to see more of the internet since, well, we aren't really allowed that. So I'm glad to see you making these videos. :)

[@mysteriousstranger6857]

Best of luck! Remember there are always foundations out there that can offer help and support!

[@garrett7211]

I wish you the best of luck

[@cootmaster]

LOL SHITTY ASS CULT u won the post of day :D

[@toneloke7489]

Never give up, continue to educate yourself, all religions hate higher education

[@cootmaster]

@@toneloke7489 i wouldn't say all, Judaism actually have schools called yashivas yah shee vas ( this is jewish education) , both my mom taught at a jewish k-12 so does my brother at a high school. MOW interestly enough , i know ORTHODOX judasim WILL NOT vax , are pro Israel , pro Netanyahu . reform Judasim is PRO teaching , pro learning, rabbis are ALWAYS learning and teaching and questioning

[@Free_Range_Female]

My cousin and her husband were JW and they had 7 kids together. He used to beat both the kids and her with a whip. She finally left him to save the younger kids. The church shunned her and her older kids refused to talk to her. She was never the same.

[@joelroman6839]

That’s so creepy🤮

[@DarksoulAndDarkKnight_]

That is insane!

[@amandalicorne7769]

Wtf they were ok with him using a freaking WHIP on his wife and children?!

[@Free_Range_Female]

@@amandalicorne7769 Yeah. 1970s Louisiana.

[@joelroman6839]

@@amandalicorne7769 Cause the leaders weren't going through that themselves, and it was socially acceptable in that cult in some areas for wives to be diciplined the same as children for power and control even though the bible is against treating spouses like that. These people barely had more rights than the kids they gave birth to, but they were adults. Meaning that many still had to cook, do ALL the chores, maintain the kids without help, AND have sex with their husband whenever he pleased since marital r@pe wasen't a crime back then. It was dark time, but the good news is the a lot of progress regarding human rights has been made due to people who have left cults or other destructive situations. But the fight to stop abuse will never be over. A growing number of husbands themselves are facing situations very similar to what I mentioned above, but it's still not socially aceptable for them to talk about it. And it doesn't help that this society makes it more acceptable to be a vocal man hater online and offline. People are free to have their opinion, and society has the responsibility to not be influenced by the hate they see and hear. But I must say that this hurts me as a man, especially since I am transgender. We have to judge people by their character, NOT their gender identity.

[@66Sixxy]

I was raised by rw Catholics. My father used a paddle on me often, even into my teen years. It sure felt a helluva lot more like i was beeing abused, & he was most definitely taking his anger out on me, than it did discipline. For the record A) I rebelled more as he pushed me away with this method; B) He BROKE that very same paddle on my little sister's thigh for the grand sin of sitting on the front porch with her boyfriend after dark- the light was on, they were only holding hands, the front door was open, & I was home checking on them every few minutes. I was 18 at the time and she was 13. The next day, we called DCF on my dad & reported him. DCF LOST the report, even though they sent someone out to take our statements & take photos of my sisters leg, which was horribly black & blue with scratches & scabs. (My dad had some friends in high places, like the mayor, etc.) This was in KS in the 90s (KC metro area, not in the boonies).

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

It wouldn't just be "lost" by DCF. The police also have a copy of the report and pictures. It's public record that you can normally look up yourself on the county website, but since it's really old you'd probably need to call and request to see it. But ya, if there was an investigation, the records are still there with DCF and the police.

[@RoboticsGeek]

@Jesus you’re not wrong about it being a public record, but I’m assuming they are more talking about the “reason” for why their clear case for abuse with the DCFS never went anywhere.

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

@@PraiseTheFSMonster Except remember what Sixxy said? 'Friends in high places'? Yeah...

[@amberforcen1177]

The Catholic Church is actually satanic behind the scenes, so is the Mormon church the Catholic Church in the Mormon church, Scientology, have a lot of power behind the scenes politically as There’s a lot of human sacrifice trafficking a lot of molestation of children a lot of underground sick crap goes on and I am not pulling that out of my ass I have heard the survivors of this crap and the whistleblowers

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

@@ramenbomberdeluxe4958 Do you realize how much power and corruption a person has to have to make a DCF record _and_ police records disappear? That goes above and beyond mayoral power and many people would have to be involved in the cover up. I doubt the dozen employees who had the paperwork cross their paths would be willing to cover up child abuse and also commit a felony by altering or hiding government documents.

[@joshraid1550]

“discipline is love” is kind of a red flag statement, yet if you take it to just mean a parent disciplining a child without being abusive, it’s harmless. “if discipline is love, you must love me a whole lot” is the way an abuse victim defends their abuser.

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

Discipline is the same as abuse

[@christianhayes213]

@@LuckyPigeon1111 No, it's not; discipline is GUIDANCE, not punishment/abuse.

[@lilpanzerfaust2889]

As someone who was beaten for "discipline" I can confirm all it has done to me was... Taught me to be more secretive with my petty crimes. Developed resentment towards adults. Develop internalized racism (I'm black also I'm over it now, but it sure as heck was an awful phase) Brought in an onslaught of mental health issues. There's more issues that I suffer till this day, but I feel it's already too long. As soon as I get my own place I'm cutting him out of my life for good.

[@JWrenison]

All it did for me was making me want to pull a Kylo Ren.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

yep, its the only way to stop it from getting worse. Tell the people who hurt you to f*ck off if they go too far and never change. You have no reason to have a person around you that makes your life worse (its enough unknown and random bad people in the world as it is and you cant avoid them)

[@lilpanzerfaust2889]

@@lokelaufeyson9931 Yeah and that basterd wonders why I spend way more time with my friends (the closest thing to a family as of now) rather than him.

[@wilhelmschmidt7240]

Yes, I agree with this very much. All I learned from physical punishment was to lie, hide, and distance myself from my parents for my own safety. It certainly didn't stop me from doing what they didn't want me to do, just to be more secretive.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

@@wilhelmschmidt7240 i did grow up with trust issues, my parents and most people i did grow up with did have their issues. Nothing big, i manage but its bad periods at times.

[@Jaggededge112]

No, physical discipline is not love. I found that taking a little while to cool off before talking to my child helped keep me from going there like my own mother did. My children only know love from me.

[@kyledadumb4354]

Good on you for working on breaking the generational trama. Had to unlearn so much messed up stuff from growing up with corporal punishment.

[@AlSidre]

​@@kyledadumb4354❤

[@Sarahizahhsum]

​@@kyledadumb4354Yeah I'm not having kids. Eliminated that possibility altogether.

[@gracenotme671]

Thank you for existing

[@R-PGamerKing]

chad moment

[@Fionacle]

I know a billion people have already said it but my god “If discipline is love, then you must love me a whole lot” is terrifying

[@LeoDBW]

I've read many statements of abuse victims who said about their abusers " he hit me because he cares about me" or "he loves me even if he hit me", those kids will grow up associating abuse with love, this is sick and twisted

[@ConvictedFelon2024]

I agree with you completely: I am _absolutely, unequivocally_ against corporal punishment of ANY kind. My dad used to force us to pull down our pants and lie on the ground if we acted up, even in PUBLIC. And if we misbehaved again, he would pull out the belt and give us a spanking. That happened at least several times. I remember thinking it was barbaric in the moment and that I would _never_ do this to my children. 15 years later, I still believe that just as firmly as I did then. Think about it like this: If I were to meet any of you in the real world and hit you, I would be guilty of *ASSAULT.* And if I were to go up and smack some random child? I don't even want to _imagine_ the consequences. But when its my _own_ children, suddenly it's acceptable?!! What are we teaching children when, on the one hand, we tell them that "violence is NOT okay," and then proceed to smack them five minutes later? Do we really believe they're _that_ stupid?! To me, it only makes sense logically that parents who discipline their children WITHOUT resorting to corporal punishment are much less likely to raise them to be dysfunctional than those who do.

[@m0ppp]

Well said.

[@chilling_koala]

This comment reminded me that good, logical-thinking people exist

[@gracenotme671]

Let’s not call it corporal punishment, let’s call it physical abuse. And thank you for articulating my thoughts.

[@Theratsintrenchcoat]

Children are treated as their parents' property and it's disgusting

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

Discipline IS corporal punishment! That's why discipline is bad!

[@Colin12475]

"Talking out of turn? That's a paddlin'. Lookin' out the window? That's a paddlin'. Staring at my sandals? That's a paddlin'. Paddlin' the school canoe? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'." -Jasper (Simpsons)

[@JulianAKnight]

There was one time my wife at the time told me our youngest son had thrown a rock and hit another kid with it while playing. She told me to go and discipline him. I walked into our apartment and saw my son sitting on the bed and crying. I grabbed a beer and sat down next to him. I told him that there was nothing more I could do to make him feel bad. So we talked for about an hour and at the end of it I told him that he had learned a valuable lesson in life. I then gave him a hug and told him to go out and play, but don’t throw any rocks.

[@MxCartney_Lou]

Thank you for exposing this horrible cult Owen

[@Oak_Gray]

I thought you said "Cult Oven" Which I think also works.

[@thudor1]

A precious few are as qualified as Owen Morgan to expose the "J-Wits".

[@roxanite]

​@@Oak_Gray look if there's an oven cult out there I'd REALLY like to know about it lmao

[@josealvarado1529]

What’s that supposed to mean?

[@katelynruth31]

When you talk about that book that was "for kids" it made me remember growing up in church, when I was around six or seven around Easter time, my Sunday school teachers had me watch animated movies that were "for kids" about the crucifixion of Jesus. I couldn't watch pokemon, but they had me watch a film about brutal execution!?

[@angelinacamacho8575]

Bet they spun their heads at every Disney movie that ever came out.

[@SonicGamerGirl2006]

Yeah, NOT a way to teach children, whatsoever. 😬😬😬

[@darthinfimus4450]

The ONLY thing that corporal punishment teaches kids is that a bigger human being gets to hit them FULL STOP

[@juiceoverflow]

moreso it teaches that a bigger human holds more authority than you do, leading to an inferiority complex. why do you think cuckold porn is most popular in conservative states?

[@deathound]

No? Because I’ve had it done to me a few times and it sure as hell taught me to not do what I did again. Lol I think if it’s done when it’s called for, when it’s some super egregious act the kid did, it’s fine. But it shouldn’t be done for small infractions. It’s how it was handled with me and I’m genuinely fine.

[@magnarcreed3801]

@@deathound Nope. Had both varieties and never needed to be hit. They could have sat me down or used other methods but didn’t. Guess what? Nothing worked afterwards and I got stronger than them. So now they’re not dumb enough to start shit.

[@SketchUT]

@@deathoundhitting children is okay? I (must say I’m not a parent but) go by “if they’re not old enough to talk about why what they did was wrong, they’re not old enough to be hit like that. and if they are old enough to talk about why what they did was wrong, then they should be conversing to understand their mistakes and not hit.”

[@deathound]

@@magnarcreed3801 Considering such a bad view of them, it makes me wonder if you were beat just to get beaten or if they actually used corporal punishment.

[@Kiyoko191290]

I’m autistic. My mother from the beginning forced my other brother with autism to NEVER show our autism. We must never stim, we must act normal and then there was the religious stuff; she’d make us feel guilty about being ourselves and acting like an autistic person. She also threatened to run away if we “misbehaved”, never feed us again if we didn’t eat her enormous dinners and when you’d thought you’d achieved something like winning a prize, it wasn’t good enough. My mother wasn’t even JW she was C of E but she still managed to traumatise me then never mind what happened afterwards

[@Kiyoko191290]

Also my mother would use either a belt or her hand (either stung) if we stepped out of the norm

[@Kiyoko191290]

I’m 32, I remember the belt attack from when I was 8. I still remember the feeling

[@Kiyoko191290]

Also JWs humble 😂😂😂

[@AutistThe-Autistic-commentator]

*@ Wolf Reads* I’m sorry that that happened to you. Your mother. Is ableist and obviously does not know God created everything in the universe and he created us as autistic individuals. Your mother will go to Hell for harming Gods special children. I’m a Christian and I am sad for you. I hope this gives you comfort knowing that in the Bible there’s versus that can tell us that autistic individuals or any person with a disability isn’t disabled because of their parents sin but because God let’s his power be shown through this person and wants the person to glorify their Lords name. I want to leave you with this verse from the Bible John 9:2-3 says: "His disciples asked him, 'Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?' 'Neither this man nor his parents sinned,' said Jesus, 'but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.'”

[@kellydalstok8900]

Religion poisons everything.

[@jameslawrence4160]

I remember when I was young a circuit overseer came to our Kingdom Hall to give a special talk. The whole talk was about disciplining children. He literally said, "If they can sit down a week later, you're not doing it right "

[@leeloo4paws656]

So gross. Also how people used to laugh when parents would haul their kids out the hall to hit them and some would be screaming "no mommy"

[@chilling_koala]

These comments make my stomach wrench

[@JG0en187]

Knowing how big Owens dad was that paddle in his hands is a death weapon.

[@50shadesofnewlight73]

And the handle was taped because he didn't want to hurt his hand while hitting them. Terrible 😢

[@harrisonkarn2078]

The tree strap=belt whooping analogy in the cartoon was terrible. The tree strap equivalent of corporal punishment would be like plucking leaves off the tree to hurt it whenever it fell until it stopped falling. If anything, the "strap holding the tree" analogy means you should discipline kids by supporting them through their mistakes while setting an example for them so they don't do it again. They essentially debunked themselves.

[@LeoDBW]

Also the key sentence is "Was the tree hurt?", because of course those strap simply hold it straight and support it, but a spanking/paddling definitely hurt a child physically and mentally. They are basically gaslighting their kids into believing that pain is not that bad.

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

That's not discipline. Discipline is abuse.

[@harryasmith527]

I was smacked too; my dad used this spatula. I remember either throwing it out or burying it so he wouldn't use it anymore. He regrets what he used to do; the church we went too had influence on him smacking me and my sister. I remember him dragging me out of church service because I couldn't sit still, then taking me to the bathroom and smacking me. Little kid me crying and dragging my feet along the way.

[@rush1er]

The jingle of a belt buckle... as a child when i heard that, shit was about to be bad. My mother would open hand smack us in public. At home it was the fly swatter, unless she REALLY wanted to make a point it was the belt... we could hear her the buckle hitting her closet door as her "special" belt hung over the door knob. And with the accuracy of Indiana Jones we would get it across the arms, back, ass, back of the legs. To this day I tense up when I hear the open jingle of a belt buckle.

[@kaishawna3753]

That sound is unfortunately a conditioned stimulus and your reactions are a conditioned response based off of the atrocious way it was used on you. I am so sorry to say I share the same experience yet I can’t wear a belt with my pants because it was used against me in such an abusive manner.

[@Bluebloods7]

"daddy only hits mommy because he loves me and wants to correct me when I get out of line"

[@angelinacamacho8575]

Dad: MAKE ME A SANDWICH OR YOU GET THE RING HAND!

[@johnnyrocket4357]

God is love because: God gave me free will, but he will kill me if I don't do what he wants.

[@Funeral_Mannequin]

Yeah lmao, the mom would not be giving that bullshit excuse to get her kid about being hit if she was the one being hit by her husband.

[@Hit07]

​@@Funeral_MannequinHistorically tho, this has been happening for centuries

[@Gibon345]

3:30 family prepares you to be more independent, cult prepares you to be more dependent

[@laurenwilson9383]

If that's the case my family was more of a cult

[@50shadesofnewlight73]

I love this statement 💯

[@candicefrost4561]

Family wants you to one day be okay without them. Cult never wants you to be okay without the, because then they can’t leech off of you.

[@autobotyscorner6404]

People tend to say "oh my parents beat me when I grew up and I turned out okay, so it's fine for me to beat my child." Dude, you just admitted you wanted to beat your own child. You did not turn out okay. At all.

[@koda_dawgg]

my thoughts exactly. also lol, that's the perfect response to people like that.

[@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear]

An analogy i like to use is shooting a shotgun at an archery target and saying : look, these 3 pieces hit the center just fine!

[@firegaze21]

I’ve seen a lot of people who equate discipline with corporal punishment, as if you can’t have one without the other. That if you don’t use corporal punishment, there is zero discipline. They are separate concepts. You can absolutely have discipline without corporal punishment.

[@theflyingspaget]

​@@user-gf7mn1ie9qMaybe a better way to phrase it would be that your parents are moral despite beating you? It is always immoral to default to corporal punishment, but considering how many people hit their kids (including my own mother who I still love) it can't be that all of them are immoral. A single bad action doesn't define a person. And corporal punishment can work, it did for me, but bad actions can have some good outcomes at times without them suddenly becoming good. Side note, despite corporal punishment working for me, I still flinch from my mother raising her hand even if it's just for a hug, so I maintain that it's never justified.

[@matthewgagnon9426]

@@theflyingspaget "it can't be that all of them are immoral." Why not? If you still flinch from your mom raising your hand it clearly didn't work out for you.

[@TheMouseAvenger]

I heard from some Biblical interpretations that the "spare the rod" quote, actually means "spare the shepherd's rod", etc. -- that is to say, teach children good behavior by guiding & teaching them with kindness & gentleness. :-) I really like that interpretation! ^_^

[@babiesandbuddies]

I first heard this interpretation from Dr. Sears. Considering Jesus never went around hitting pt, this makes much more sense than hitting kids with rods.

[@kamenriderwizardmaoyanaise3341]

That makes more sense! If God is a God of kindness and love do you really think he would be pro hitting kids? No he wouldn't. Anyway yea that's a more sensible of a interpretation

[@deeanna8448]

I have heard that as well, but the bible literally uses the word "beat" as well, so the bible definitely advocates corporal punishment. Hence, why it isn't a good moral guide.

[@TheMadTurtle]

@@babiesandbuddies Except with the whip.

[@amberjewell3894]

Interesting. How do they explain away the verse that says "If thou beatest him with a rod, he shall not die"?

[@GrumpCatMara]

My dad made his own paddle. He drilled holes in it so that we would be able to hear it coming and then he named it and painted the name on it. He named it “be good” the “or else” was silent.

[@GrumpCatMara]

My oldest brother found it when we got older and he burned it.

[@sudokuacrobatics]

I'm so sorry, but that sounds hilarious in a morbid way 😂

[@GrumpCatMara]

@@sudokuacrobatics oh yeah, definitely goes in the list of stories that I find hilarious but the room goes silent after I tell it.

[@5H4NKTH35HARK]

I was hit as a kid and all it taught me was to be secretive and gave me an anxiety disorder. I can't stand up for myself because I'm terrified of getting hit or yelled at. I believe if I wasn't hit I would've turned out much MUCH better.

[@Cookieloafres]

😅

[@TheSuicune7]

It can manifest in the opposite way to. Fight or flight response really is a thing. For me, it became fight. Staying low just didn’t work, and the abuse didn’t stop until I had the power to kick the ass of my abuser. Fortunately, it never came to actually having to do that, but it did come close

[@cygnustsp]

My JW dad would read us a Bible verse then explain that he didn't want to spank us but one day he'd have to stand before Jehovah to account for his parenting, then he'd hit us so hard with the belt we'd scream for him to stop but it was always ten lashes. Then he'd hug us and tell us he loved us. I can't imagine the terrible dissonance he must've gone through. My friends would get the belt buckle. It's crazy to think how many JW parents feel the need to do that just because a bronze age book, according to their leader's interpretation, says it's a good idea.

[@Saibellus]

thats sad as fuck, if your dad really believed that. like he was obligated to beat his child whether he wanted to or not, or else he was condemning them and himself to hell. what the fuck.

[@SonicGamerGirl2006]

This is SO not cool, and not to mention, EXTREMELY abusive and creepy. No doubt your father failed to realize that spanking a child actually does far more harm than good. There is LITERALLY NO EXCUSE for hitting a defenseless child in the name of "discipline". That is NOT love. It's abuse. Period. I hope you're doing okay, pal. No one deserves to go through that. 😔💙🫂

[@wilhelmschmidt7240]

I was raised in a "spare the rod, spoil the child" type of religious household and all it taught me was resentment and indignation towards my abusers. The same parent now often comments on how polite, respectful, and caring my 5 children are that I raised without using physical punishment of any kind. Don't hit your kids, it really isn't right and doesn't establish good behavior at all.

[@deeanna8448]

Thr word "correct" in the context of fundamentalist child raising 100% means corporal punishment. I grew up Baptist and "corrections" were always physical.

[@justdavedoindavestuff3479]

The big thing that they're missing is, there's a huge difference between discipline and punishment. Discipline is correcting an action, punishment is retribution for an action. As for the animation, the mom is hot.

[@michaela779]

I agree the mom is hot

[@LeoDBW]

That last sentence gave me à whiplash

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

No. Discipline is corporal punishment and yelling, which is abuse.

[@MonochromeAlex]

My cousin actually *voiced* some of these when we were little. She was the voice actor for Sophia in the Romanian dub of the show in the older episodes which are still up. While I don't agree with lots of things in JW, she's pretty much been into it since she was very young since my aunt has been for a very long time as well. She's 18 (I'm 17) now and also baptized, and we're very close. I really appreciate the fact that she doesn't try to indoctrinate me because I have experience with being a JW since I was very young and she's seen that I have my own way with things.

[@raymonds.9021]

There is an episode in the first season of Moral Orel where Orel becomes a masochist because discipline is viewed as love

[@raphaeldagamer]

I love malaphors, so when you made reference to the phrase "spare the rod, spoil the child" I said, out loud, "spare the rod, spoil the broth"

[@callmecharlie4250]

malaphors are magnificent

[@m0ppp]

I often forget about malaphors. Whenever I’m reminded of them, it’s like a little surprise treat. Thanks for the surprise treat!

[@mikeodell6090]

It takes a fool to believe that hitting children will teach them anything but that "if they want someone to do what you want, violence is the solution"... violence begets violence....love begets love...and so forth

[@Kasumimomotachi]

My parents used phone cables, charging cables, belts both the buckle side and other side, wooden metal and plastic spoons + spatulas, branches, bamboo sticks, la chancla, I remember my mom used a fireplace shovel once across my hands. One time a teacher saw me tying my hair back and called my mom saying that I was playing with my hair. So my mom took me to a hair salon to get my hair cut military style. The lady at the salon refused and quit so they got another lady to do it. Everyone was uncomfortable in that salon besides my mom. The ladies kept asking if there was anyway to change her mind and she told them, "nope. if my daughter is not going to pay attention then I'll remove the distraction." I got bullied so hard in school by the other kids and none of the girls wanted to be around me because said that I was going to creep on them. Later my mom tried threatening me with cutting my hair again and I ran down the street till I got to the next suburban area over. My dad had to go find me and convince me and the people whose home I was cryint in front of, that mom wasn't going to cut it again. I have like a LOT more stories. Like the time my step dad thew me against the car and used my face as a punching bag till the inside of my cheeks bled. . . all because I was talking to a boy.

[@SonicGamerGirl2006]

Oh, wow... Oh.... Oh, gosh... 😨😨😰😰 This is ABSOLUTELY horrific! I'm SO sorry you had to go through so much abuse. What your parents did was NOT AT ALL okay. I hope you got the help you need. You DO NOT deserve to go through such terrible abuse. 💙🫂

[@Kasumimomotachi]

@@SonicGamerGirl2006 Thank you. It is very appreciated. I did, I was forced out of the house in my early adulthood, was homeless for a while and now have a bunch of friends and my fiance is a good support group. I didn't talk to them for almost an entire half a decade till more recently in 2021. I did get a chance to get a bit of closure with my parents last year on how they treated me my childhood. They are now very much a shadow of who they are and while they 100% acknowledge and regret that they could never take back what they did, they are trying to support me in ways they never did and are going to therapy and are supporting me to go. It's a long road before I could completely forgive them but this is a start. That's one thing though that people need to understand, that just because someone is trying to change or has and has even acknowledged their mistake, that doesn't mean they are owed forgiveness. I do hope though, at any point in their lives, that I will never be a fear figure in my future kid's eyes.

[@SonicGamerGirl2006]

@T3ntacl3Qu33n I'm very glad you're getting the help you needed, and I'm especially glad to hear that you're trying to make amends with your parents. You deserve to have a closure in your life and move on from all the trauma you went through. Unfortunately, not all victims of abuse got the closure they deserve...

[@Kasumimomotachi]

@@SonicGamerGirl2006 I honestly wish more did have that opportunity. . . No one deserves to be subjected to trauma especially by those who are suppose to raise and love you.

[@SonicGamerGirl2006]

@@Kasumimomotachi Agreed. It's also sad to see that many abusive parents never got the justice they deserve and end up getting away with it. It's ESPECIALLY sad that many of them never changed their ways. 😓

[@matthewgordon3281]

About the tree analogy: Support is not the same as discipline.

[@XlittleXdrummerXgirl]

BINGO. I don't grow trees, so it's not a direct translation, but whenever I have seedlings, they'll typically get stakes or other support BECAUSE THEY CANNOT SUPPORT THEMSELVES YET and need the extra help. Sometimes it's stakes, sometimes it's trellises, sometimes it's a little bit of a tie-down, but the point is that they need SUPPORT... just like children.

[@Adamant_Adam]

I think the part that makes me saddest is the amount of artistic potential you see in these. Sad to think all the people who made these will never be able to move onto bigger things. It makes me this sad because there is genuine effort here- the animation is pretty good and the emotional animation is quite good too. As terrible as the message is in this short, I couldn't help but get a wee bit emotional during the scene at 10:00 , because the animation actually made me feel something. I do hope that these animators find a good path in life, I'd hate to see all this potential go to waste because it's not deemed okay to use the skill for reasons outside the religion.

[@chacharealsmooth8004]

HOLY COW, THAT YELLOW BOOK! I REMEMBER READING THAT AS A KID, TOO! WOW!!! It was super messed up, now that I think of it. The lady being pushed out the window is a page that I remember well. My siblings and I were greatly encouraged to read it. We were so little and it was so influential. Wow, I wonder if we still have that book.

[@maximillian1109]

I hate these people... How hard is it to understand that using physical violence never works?!

[@josealvarado1529]

You hate who?

[@Area-eu4kg]

“I hurt you just enough to show you how much I love you” Something my dad told me after beating me senseless after I accidentally knocked over a bottle of alcohol as a child. Abuse isn’t love, and hitting a child, or anyone is abuse.

[@Spookeghost]

As a person who’s been spanked as a child, I can assure you this is the worst way to discipline a kid. It had a lasting effect on me and it absolutely infuriates me when people say kids should be physically punished. There are many alternatives.

[@God-King-Yhwach_The_Almighty]

I was spanked when I was little and emotionally neglected by my dad, and I was thinking thoughts that many people would consider throwing me in a mental asylum for.

[@urielpolak9949]

I saw raising my children also as cultivating plants. Water them and healthy plants will search for the light. Grow towards it naturally. The parent is best as an example by cultivating his/her own growth.

[@grenade8572]

I'll remember this if I have a child someday! Clear, short, beautiful.

[@amberforcen1177]

I hit you because I love you is something an abusive partner says but when a parent says it that makes it OK for some reason. People wonder why people stay in abusive relationships.

[@Neotokyorider]

My fundie parents definitely believed the whole "spare the rod" thing. Only we got the leather belt for spankings. The same logic of "we 'discipline' you because we love you" and to be fair to my Mom, she genuinely believed that. It wasnt until I deconverted and educated myself that I learned of the awful psychological damage that kind of 'discipline' inflicts. If i was going to have children then I would never punish my child that way. Ive also made it clear to my parents that I believe they were wrong to raise me that way. Along with a ton of other things they did that basically socially impaired me. I honestly wonder what my life wouldve been like had my parents not been insanely fundamental.

[@Saibellus]

ive heard a lot of testaments from adults trying to break abusive cycles how when their kid yells or cries or doesnt listen their first instinct is to raise their hand, how it takes so much self control not to let their first reaction be violence. that kind of behavior imprints itself on you for life, and its beyond cruel to spin it as a positive.

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

Discipline is corporal punishment and yelling. That makes discipline not good.

[@cmndrkool321]

If I had animations skills like this, I wouldn’t be rotting my life away in this cult. This is like Dreamworks/Illumination quality.

[@crackajack913]

Definitely looks like it belongs on Disney or Nick Jr

[@uui219]

I can't tell if you're joking.

[@electrofonickitty823]

The yellow book was a gift from a neighbor who was a JW who lived next to my grandmother. The infamous is understatement, Owen, pure nightmare fuel. My grandmother was not amused at all, while neighbor was well meaning, it was a terrible idea 😅

[@thefishersfish6060]

Got to love the word choice. "Dad says im punished" like hes not grounded or in timeout or even displined. He's being punished like he comited a crime. No good parent will say their punishing their child. Only abusive ones say that.

[@DaxonDarling]

As a person who was spanked as a kid, I learned more from hearing and seeing my parents disappointed in me than I did by being hit. Because when I saw they were disappointed, I actually wanted to try and be better. However when I was hit I was scared to do anything.. so I didn’t change, I just hid what I was doing better.

[@swissarmyknight4306]

15 years later: Why don't my kids ever call me?

[@something1600]

You just know Caleb and Sophia are going to go No-contact with their parents when they grow up.

[@claratalbot7613]

Absolutely agree Owen. Displine is something that is needed sometimes but there are ways of doing that without using destructive methods like corporal punishment. In my mind if a child is too young to understand what they did was wrong then they're too young to be spanked & if they are old enough to understand that what they did was wrong as well as the consequences of their actions then they're too old to be spanked. There is zero reason to ever hit a child because all it does it make them scared of u not learn whatever lesson u want them to learn

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

Discipline IS corporal punishment and yelling, which makes it not good!

[@krrr.4902]

"EWW WHAT AN UGLY BIRD Dude look at this bird what is wrong with it" made me laugh HARD after all that intense excitement over the dishes montage

[@datagamerbulby]

Angry Birds

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

I love birds.

[@realrealwarpet]

Im still proud of myself for making caleb and sophia in the sims 4 :3 though i very specifically had sophia be disfellowshiped, while her brother left shortly after.

[@2-d_in_a_bag]

Yay! Happy ending for both of them! :D

[@realrealwarpet]

@@2-d_in_a_bag Thats exactly what someone commented on that gallery post XD

[@gogogadget1855]

@@realrealwarpet Can I download them?

[@realrealwarpet]

@@gogogadget1855 theyre on the sins 4 gallery

[@lakisoo]

You gave me idea to do that too

[@Matacron]

There are those who would say "I was spanked as a child, and I turned out just fine." To that I say that if you were spanked as a child, and you still think that i's ok to preemptively hit someone, then you absolutely did NOT "turn out just fine." I was hit as a child, and as a result I know to NEVER preemptively strike another human being, particularly one a third my size. You want proof that kind of shit doesn't work? Take a look at January 6th. What do you want to bet that EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. of those insurrectionists would say that they were spanked as children, and would swear up and down that they "turned out just fine." If the only reason that a person is being good is because they fear consequences, then they're not good people. They're psychopaths on a leash.

[@someonerandom8552]

My father was given the belt as a kid. He would say he turned out fine, but you could see the psychological scars he still suffered. Even when I was a kid I could tell there was something “off” whenever he spoke about his father. (His mother never hit him, his father was in charge of discipline.) That said, he never so much raised his voice towards me let alone hit me. He believed that physical discipline was going the way of the dinosaurs (his words.) My mother was the same. Though she did once hit me when I was very young. Don’t remember it but apparently we both cried and she never did it again. She did threaten to on occasion but I don’t think she could bring herself to go through with it. In that sense she’s actually something of an outlier among our family. At least in her generation.

[@Stuff857]

It wasnt an insurrection. The only person to die was one of the protestors, and the election was rigged. Mark Zuckerberg was in a podcast with joe rogan, amd saif the " ibf " got him to censor the laptop story. In a survey of 1,000s biden voters, 12% said theyd have voted trump had the heard. About the laptop. Source Look up dont walk run productions cnn town hall.

[@Stuff857]

If " app " allows you to see my previous comment, please actually see the vid recommended on it before responding

[@voilet-the-non-violet-vulpix]

I got spanked & I got my most treasured possessions taken away as punishments when I was a kid. All it ever taught me was that nobody gave a fuck about my feelings, & nobody valued me enough to find a way to actually get a message across. It taught me that the strong overpower the weak & are allowed to do unfair things to them. It DIDN’T teach me how to be better at not “Using the wrong tone/backtalking”. I was never trying to do that in the first place, turns out I’m just naturally kind of shit at tone control. It didn’t teach me how to be better at math, actually gave me math anxiety. Nothing my parents were trying to correct got corrected by punishment.

[@cyrussoxlegion]

It's funny, because when I was a Witness, I played ALL the Final Fantasy games back then, IV, IV, and yes... SEVEN. Subconsciously, I just said "screw the org" without saying it out loud. You're right, the music does remind me a lot of the overworld theme from VII.

[@Str8Rippin93]

You hide from your parents playing,?

[@lorddialtones]

I love when owen just randomly throws in a your mom joke

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

You're the only one

[@YourPalMal23]

@@PraiseTheFSMonster I also like when Owen makes those jokes

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

@@YourPalMal23 You're the only two

[@2-d_in_a_bag]

​@@PraiseTheFSMonster I like the "your mom" jokes as well :)

[@chilling_koala]

​@@2-d_in_a_bag I guess you are the only three😅

[@hollyhartwick3832]

As the saying goes, "let the punishment fit the crime." What supposed crime would a child commit that warrants being beaten? Discipline is intended for the purpose of education and correction. Violence does not accomplish this. It corrects nothing and teaches only fear and further violence.

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

Discipline is violence and abuse. It is used via corporal punishment, which makes discipline not good.

[@PhantomGato-v-]

I'm no Christian or believe in God, but some sayings from the Bible do still hold up. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, am I right?

[@leeloo4paws656]

If I was Caleb, I would just never talk in front of my parents, because everything leads to some lecture.

[@Theratsintrenchcoat]

Here's something that's disturbing : in some places, children who fight back physical "discipline"(abuse) from their parents can go to juvy and even get a record from it.

[@deborahsojourner6755]

My mother used to say this hurts me more than you. And I grew to hate her. I was glad when she died and I haven't missed her a single day. She screamed at me constantly and was critical of everything about me. So by JW standards I was loved very much

[@tommiatkins3443]

In 2006 I listened to something Hitch said. "A loving father let's you go". My kids were just becoming teens and that stuck with me. I stopped telling them what to do and trusted them to seek me for advice. That way, they've lived their lives, not mine by proxy. It's the greatest gift a parent can ever give.

[@gregorymckinney666]

Damn god’s punishment goes back when two naked teenagers ate one apple

[@hanokokun9246]

@The Restless Ghost of Dolan Vs Kaney lols I love this comment

[@gigivena9gachacut560]

And the apple that God created and had any "divinal" protectation on the place to nobody get possessed, like the snake

[@the3danimationdude770]

I love a lot Owen how you keep exposing this terrible cult

[@farmonxqc9370]

what does everyone mean by cult?

[@Callie_With_a_Bible]

@@farmonxqc9370 because it is a Cult according to satistics and the way it treats it's members and encourages it's members to act

[@QueenMariposa5]

The last one about "Waiting for the right time" makes Jehovah out to be a master procrastinator. "Yeah I know the roof is leaking, the water heater is broke, and the carpet is moldy, but I'll deal with it later. The game's on."

[@midnightgamer-21]

As someone whose name is Sophia, this is so surreal to watch

[@godslaughter]

2 minutes in and immediate red flags in children's psychology. Saying "you know your dad loves you even if he disciplines you" just implies that love is equal to abuse and being harsh. Discipline should be about understanding your child, the child understanding you back, having a conversation about things and why they might hurt others, how we can grow to become better people and so on.

[@godslaughter]

Oh you know what else Jehovah's Witnesses and numerous other religious groups are completely missing? They claim that non-human animals and pretty much every other non-human organism is "inferior", that they have no sentience, intelligence or common sense, etc. That rhetoric is called anthropocentrism (the act of considering humans as the centre of everything) and in some cases it's also accompanied by human supremacy, which in turn is a form of pride, narcissism, egoism and exploitation. Of course, they're also willing to scream that evolution isn't real because they despise science, but regardless, it's a huge contradiction and of course extremely unethical.

[@godslaughter]

Specifically the letter J was added to the Latin alphabet in 1524, but the dʒ sound has existed prior to it. Regardless, the name "Jehovah" definitely didn't exist, it was Yahweh (יהוה), like you said. I still need to properly start learning Hebrew, such a stunning language

[@m.g.4446]

I don't have kids, but it seemed a little irresponsible of the parents to not say anything to Caleb at the actual time when he was putting down the other kid and to just wait until later in the day to talk to him. If it was my kid (or even just a kid I knew and the parents weren't around at the time), I would have immediately stepped in and said it's not nice to put other people down like that. Not just to let Caleb know that he shouldn't behave like that, but also so the other kid sees someone standing up for him. Then when we're alone, I would have had a slightly longer conversation about why it's not nice, and how we can feel good about ourselves without tearing other people down. It's nice to feel big as long as we're not making other people feel small, etc.

[@awkwardlyrachel5524]

That's exactly what makes HUMAN morality superior to BIBLICAL morality. God sees someone doing something wrong, but rather than stop them, he's just going to punish them later. For eternity (depending on the belief system). You and I and most people would try to stop the person from doing that wrong thing, or would call someone who could. One of the women from Atheist Experience (why can't I remember her name?? 🤦🏼‍♀️) would always use this example: if I saw a man raping a woman, I would do whatever I could to stop him. However, God would say to him, "oh, you did something wrong, so AFTER YOU DIE, I will punish you." And God would DO nothing to help the victim. It makes God an absolute monster.

[@camlam5269]

They could have turned that scene into a lesson on kindness and "Do unto others " in a different religion. They didn't do that or just tell him to stop and that it's not nice. That's because the other kid is also engaging in pride by trying to compete with Caleb and saying he's good at something too.

[@daniellewillis2767]

​@Awkwardly Rachel Actually if there were no witnesses the woman or young boy would be punished. Back in the old days, up to an including banishment or stoning

[@awkwardlyrachel5524]

@@daniellewillis2767 Ah yes, back when they REALLY tried to live by the bible. I am SO glad to live in a secular-ish country.

[@davidhill8565]

There was a TV program called World’s Strictest Parents. That program sends troubled teens to live with very strict parents for seven days. Some of them were highly religious parents. That program would never send troubled teens to Jehovah’s Witness parents.

[@eetadakimasu]

So sorry to hear your paddle story, similarly my mom loved her 1"thick paddle sold by a sadistic man as "decoration" but he was totally unflinching even my mom talked about paddling us with it. I agree with you, boundaries, discipline both good, but ya, abuse bad. I worked with a JW and he was decently involved and a terrible person who invited me to be the "first of honor" at a "snuff film", love their figure standards

[@LuckyPigeon1111]

Discipline is abuse.

[@damiensebastian]

"Your mom makes me feel good on the inside" I fucking choked on my drink and made a huge mess laughing, that caught me off guard 😂😂😂

[@josealvarado1529]

Listen to yourself satan is controlling you don’t care if that was 1 year ago but you most definitely need some help

[@TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS]

21:18 This is interesting, because in various Germanic languages they still say J as Y. For example, in Swedish "Jag" is said ya and in German, Ja (yes) is said ya. If anything, it seems like English is the weird one here saying J as we do.

[@defaultdan9715]

I was a Christian until the age of 31. This is how long it took me to realize that I was living a false reality. I'm sure the Matrix analogy has been used way too many times, but it really makes you feel like Neo if you've watch those movies growing up. I know ill never be 100% delusion free. Just one of the many strange flukes of being human, but at least I no longer have this overwhelming since of fear. The one good thing that did happen to me, is that when I stopped believing. I did lose my best friend at the time along with an entire family of so called "friends". However since watching you're videos. I'll never truly know first hand what it's really like to lose so many people, and have to start over. I mean sure. I will have to one day say goodbye to my parent's who mean the world to me. I've since lost quite a few family members and friends, but gained other people just like most people, but the main difference and what is so tragic and so horrific and at the same time so petty and so f**ked up is how these bastards at watch tower society are far more devious then most any other forms of even the most hardcore fundamentalist churches. I think they call it the watch tower because they actually watch everything you do, and will get on you for the most innocent of what they think is bad simply because you're not putting "God" or "jehovah" first. I'd rather be dead. I think many people probably feel the same. I'm so glad that you and others like you have made it out and are now a strong advocate for the opposition. Such a common trend, but it makes perfect since. I truly believe that religion is poison, but for your mind. I have Christian friends though that at least don't buy into the hell thing and accept gay people and all that good sh*t, and also put up with me as their friend. Anyway. I hope one day this cult will go away and not be replaced by something worse or just as bad. Keep doing what you do. We need people like you in this world and we need more skeptical atheist with a good moral foundation, but nonmatter how "good" we are. The evangelicals and people who are still in your former cult will think of us as evil and be happy thinking we're going to be in hell when we die. What a sick thing. I was never happy thinking about others in hell, but each to their own I guess. Anyway sorry for the long as speech. Hope you're doing well, and for everyone else still stuck or feeling trapped in the cult. I wish you the best, and that you can make a safe landing on the other side.

[@krembryle]

I loved your long speech. I find the stories of Christians becoming atheists far more genuine than stories about atheists becoming Christians. The "becoming Christian" stories are always too positive to be true, like, believing in god once and all in life turning for the better. But in reality, everyone suffers. Even those with the "right" faith.

[@laava32]

I was never spanked, let alone paddled, but I recall being VERY VERY YOUNG when my mother decided she wanted to attempt it. She ended up crying and not being able to do it, and I'm grateful for that, but at the same time, I only remember it because I've never feared her more in my entire life. Those feelings of abject terror never left. Even when physical damage isn't done, the emotional damage is tremendous. To think and genuinely believe that someone who's supposed to /protect/ you, would want to hurt you because you messed up and are still learning. That feeling has stuck with me, and I still haven't completely recovered. Developed an anxiety disorder.

[@renny7057]

I'm waiting for the day Clay Puppington makes a cameo appearance on one of these 💀💀💀

[@miketaylor2083]

Not sure how things were in the states,but in the 80’s in Canada until ‘84 I was getting the strap after school almost on a daily basis. Lucky for us kids (lol) we had the choice of getting whacked across the knuckles or the strap across the ass. Gotta say,this NEVER had the outcome that was expected. I came away more angry from this. My parents were going through a nasty divorce/child custody battle and rather than dealing with things constructively…they opted for that one because,lazy and ignorant is my hypothetical conclusion.

[@angelinacamacho8575]

You reminded me of the bluey episode "mum school" where bluey pretends to be a mom in mom school with her balloon kids and has her mom keep score but the green balloon isn't like the others and needs more help doing things so she whips out "old bunty" and bunts the balloons into the bathroom to give them a bath and blueys mom even says "oh no .." and has her observe how her own dad deals with her sister saying "he's in dad school" and she sees how he acts kind when her sister is being difficult. Instead of using a whooping stick when she won't brush her teeth he just assumes she is being difficult because she was still hungry.

[@soappacket2342]

I was always taught "the rod" refered to a shepherd's rod used to guide sheep. Not to hit sheep. To guide them with love and trust. I wish JW learned this too

[@vanillabananacrepe]

thats such a new and different perspective i never heard of that explanation before! as a kid i took out my anger on my little brother because my mom disciplined me a lot. didnt know how to deal with my own feelings for that reason. it's comforting to hear other explanations, jehovas witnesses doesn't really let the readers interpret things differently, this is so nice, thank you! :))

[@paulaegraham]

Used to break their legs when they wandered off

[@mugety5130]

My mum used to hurl the bible teach book at us as a warning shot if she thought we weren't paying enough attention. Not that bad in retrospect, but that little golden book and the impact it made against the sofa or us still fills me with dread.

[@mrself5824]

Wow this episode remind me of Moral Orel. Orel’s dad essentially equates beatings to love

[@haeuptlingaberja4927]

I grew up a a conservative Catholic environment more than 50 years ago. And my dad never threatened or hurt us, just as we have never done this cult torture to our kids.

[@schrodingerskatze4308]

I think it really depends on what kind of people you have around you. There are some that are extremely conservative and use violence, there are some that are only a bit conservative but understand that beating your kid isn't great, and then there are some that aren't conservative at all. There isn't really the one typical catholic parent.

[@LostClowder]

The only reason I know about The Tower Of Babel, is because it's the name of one of the boss stages in Doom.

[@BoneySkylord]

Yup, one of the most confusing things for me as a child was having my nutcase mother screaming at me in psychotic rage then later saying “…I only get cross with you because I love you.” 🤪

[@webofstarlight]

Right?! It's like they have a complete personality change once they've gotten out their anger.

[@GoPlotagon]

I know this video is a little old, but I was spanked as a kid. It did nothing but make me afraid of my dad. It does make sense that have always been jumpy and flinch around him all the time. He would always say, “you act like I beat you”.

[@Gaming.Gamer.]

That's all spanking children does. It doesn't teach them what they did wrong or how to do it better, it only teaches obedience and fear though violently enforcing physical punishment. They'll know THAT they did something wrong but not exactly WHAT it was wrong or WHY it was wrong.

[@davidjordan697]

“I wish you could go outside too”, Caleb’s mom is really snarky…when she’s not hitting him.

[@McFlingleson]

I wasn't raised Jehovah's Witness, but we did have corporal punishment in my house, and one day my little sister's pink hairbrush got re-appropriated as a spanking implement, and my dad seemed to think it was funny that something super girly like a pink hairbrush was now a tool for hitting kids, and also at some point someone had this candy that was like a chocolate orange wrapped in foil, and you'd hit it against a surface to break the slices apart and eat it one slice at a time, and it had a sticker where you were supposed to hit it against something that said "whack here", and my dad took the sticker off and put it on the pink hairbrush, and at the time I was indoctrinated into thinking that spanking was a good thing, so even though I didn't like it while I was getting spanked, I "understood" that I "needed" it, but it always really bothered me that it was being treated with such a cavalier attitude.

[@iananderson4754]

thats disgusting. I hope he didnt get enjoyment out of it.

[@lilblondiebear]

My parents weren't Jehovah's Witnesses but I still got beaten. My dad had a paddle called "The Board of Education" written on it that he kept hung on the wall. I remember people coming over and laughing at it, thinking it was a quirky decoration, but he actually used that thing on my sister and I and let me tell you, it left marks. I kind of laughed a little when you said you pushed the paddle behind the fridge because it reminded me of the many places I used to hide my dad's "board of education"

[@Skymouth]

Actually, they did a good job in depicting how the bird looks like after it's been wet because of the rain

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

God didn't destroy the Tower of Babel because of the people's pride. He was concerned that if humanity could unite from different nations to build a tower to Heaven, they could do almost anything together. He didn't want humans to have so much power, so he confused their languages so they couldn't work together anymore.

[@RosePetalGamin]

How disgusting.

[@ShiningAndStarstruck]

and people worship him, why?

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

@@ShiningAndStarstruck Ignorance and life long indoctrination.

[@sdrchy]

when you said "Jehovah's witnesses subscribe to the belief that if you spare the rod you spoil the child" the subscribe button fucking started glowing i can't😭 (1:35)

[@alexisjordan9055]

The mom really came up with an entire story just to get her son to help her do the dishes Gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss

[@markpalka6382]

What many people fail to consider regarding corporal punishment is that it often far outweighs the offense itself! Disciplinary action must be strictly directed at the offense, not the offender! And remember this, people! Whatever you say or do you can never take back!

[@henkaistudio]

Owen your doing great on exposing these cults.