Temple and Endowment Meaning - Todd McLauchlin

[@ZachGorham44]

I think the overarching thought I have about this discussion is that our doctrine is so beautiful and true and good. I loved the point Todd made when he said something along the lines of, “Who cares about horses in the Book of Mormon when the whole thing is actually an endowment narrative!” I think we can become so embattled by the constant attacks and accusations against our church and beliefs that we don’t take enough time to actually understand how amazing our beliefs really are. It’s so easy to get tripped up by things that don’t matter in the grand scheme of things (like horses in the Book of Mormon) and if we allow that to happen we miss attaining our divine potential which culminates in obtaining the fruit of the tree of life.

[@carenjennings7744]

Very, very well said. Our doctrine is so profoundly beautiful and incredible and humbling - makes me wonder if some people just can't believe how amazing it is and therefore, it must be false. I can't believe I am so blessed to have had it my entire life. Wow! Talk about being LOVED!!

[@safrew1]

This!

[@paulcowles998]

But interestingly it is proven that horses were in that region during the time of the writing of The Book of Mormon 0:36

[@stevenscott6337]

Wonderful point. It echoes Neal Maxwell when he warned not to “get caught up in the thick of thin things…”

[@phadrus]

I think horses are interesting too, but I get his point. BOM gets more and more interesting every year for those reaching to learn.

[@bricefsvens5031]

You know a discussion is good when it's an hour and eighteen minutes long, but it takes two hours to get through because I have to pause and jump into the scriptures. Thank you Greg for these faith building conversations. Keep them coming.

[@vendingdudes]

Or rewinding and listening to insights again

[@DoctorSuezz]

I hope you will bring him back... this was NOT long enough. He has a lot to talk with you and all of us about and the conversation is fulfilling!! Thank you @Greg Matsen and @Todd McLaughlin

[@chansebunker7373]

This is awesome that you had Todd on! He did my temple prep for my endowment a few months ago, felt super prepared going in and understood what was happening all the way through.

[@CwicShow]

Does not surprise me.

[@goblincamper2004]

This discussion really brought great insights about the Temple and Endowment. I really like how Todd explains in a way that is understanding and brings it down to the level where everyone can learn. Thank you for the video. We need more of these discussions in our troubled world. The Gospel of Christ is such a blessing in our lives.

[@carenjennings7744]

Well...not exactly sure Todd brings it down to my level of understanding, but I am getting some of it - and it is profoundly beautiful and perfect!! A year ago, I would not have been able to understand much of what either man was teaching today. I am deeply appreciative of their decades of intense study and how much they are sharing with us.

[@shredboise]

Gotta chuckle by this comment... I was thinking the exact opposite regarding an understandable discussion. I think going too deep too fast and too wide publicly may not be the best. Especially seems to be approaching the doctrines of men... mingled with scripture.

[@lindamartinez7006]

These guys did really really good on this one . Not going over your head . It was really good . I think because of Gregg Matson explaining things so well it kept Todd on a better level. I think Gregg. Matson did such a good job .

[@alexostergaard8387]

This is the type of conversation that lights my soul on fire. Thank you both for your respective contributions to faith-fostering content. There is nothing more beautiful than the doctrine of Christ.

[@CwicShow]

Agreed!

[@DianeNims-gg7lf]

This is my first visit here. The title caught my interest. Wow! So much….. I can clearly see that my understanding of The Book of Mormon is extremely limited. So this is why we are encouraged to read and study the scriptures all the time. I feel like I know nothing. Yes, I have received my own blessings of the temple, but, I know nothing! I seek to learn. Does anyone crawl us through this like a baby learning to crawl who hopes to walk some day? Where does one begin? I’ll be 80 this year. Will I learn what I need and want to know and understand in this lifetime? I doubt it.

[@adamb7230]

Man, I had been a little confused why the church has been building more and more temples and these temple focused videos that have been popping up make it crystal clear. I can’t even believe all of the connections between Christ, the scriptures, and the temple that have been in plain sight that I’ve never seen. This is truly the work of God on earth.

[@marilynwatene1480]

Brilliant! I love these discussions. I wish we did these kind of deep dives in the Gospel Doctrine, (and bring back Gospel Principles for those who are beginners) so that we truly can be educated more fully in the strait and narrow path...But I guess if wishes were horses beggars would ride. I am not the prophet, and the order of things in our lessons are in wise hands. Thank goodness for Cwic Media! (and other helpful sites) so we can spiritually feast on Doctrine. Currently reading the INFINITE ATONEMENT by Callister again, again revisiting the greatness of the gift that was given to us, and aligning my spirit with Christ anew. Highly recommend this book to all.

[@CwicShow]

Yes, I agree on that. It's hard because some need milk, and others meet. So we give milk. Another option is the Cwic Study Group - www.cwicmedia.com/study-group

[@lessthanthedust]

More please!!

[@CwicShow]

@@lessthanthedust check Sunday!

[@lessthanthedust]

@@CwicShow I was filled so Sunday is on my radar! Fantastic conversation.

[@kaiudall2583]

I needed to see this video. Thank you. My testimony has been struggling as I’ve watched academic biblical scholars (Dan Maklelan) attempt to dismantle fundamental truths from a scholarly view. The temple is real. We can come closer to Christ and Heavenly Father by abiding by the principles taught there. As discussed in this video, the priesthood has been on this earth (on and off) for millennia. And the temple is a key portion of that order.

[@CwicShow]

If you enjoyed this, look for other videos I have done with Val Larsen. Also, I will have a similar video this weekend. The gospel is deep and true!

[@DoctrineofChrist248]

Check out all of Todd's stuff on YT. He has done many interviews, and has a channel called Shattering Triangles.

[@phadrus]

Check out interviews with Dave Butler, and Bruce Porter. Very faith affirming and fascinating.

[@kimberlyclayton9483]

I appreciate this conversation. I've been in the church my whole life and have never seen all this as you both described. Wow! I'm fed and grateful❤️

[@bricefsvens5031]

I love that you dive into "deep" doctrine, or rather the meaning of doctrine. Growing up I was always told to just worry about the basics. The basics are important no doubt, but I look at it like growing up through grade school. If you ever only study and learn at a 3rd grade level you never truly grow and that education will only sustain you for so long. Thanks again for this amazing conversation.

[@CMZIEBARTH]

Go to the meat without leaving the milk.

[@phadrus]

You got bad advice!

[@StephanieAQuinn]

I stopped the podcast every 5 min or so to ponder the incredible things you were sharing. needed to digest it all. beautiful explanations

[@FAITHFUL_FOUNDATION_CHANNEL]

One thing that sticks out to me in 22:30 with the condescending nature and the tree of life is that you must be buried below the ground like a seed to then sprout up high into the air. so condescending referes to the tree in that way

[@CwicShow]

That’s fantastic!

[@susannakemp8078]

Wonderful discussion! How can I find out more about the "second anointing done by women?"

[@phadrus]

She washes the husband’s feet. Very little info on this ordinance out there. This could be a shadow of the matriarchal selection, process of kings in ancient Egypt and with the ancient Hebrews. See Bruce Porter for more information about those ancient Egyptian temple rights.

[@jeffturner5555]

Please have another discussion with this brother. This has been the best gospel discussion. Thank you Greg!

[@CwicShow]

You're welcome!

[@stephanieeastman2791]

Todd McLaughlin is my favorite. He has his own KZbin channel with a couple of other good guys. It is called shattering triangles.

[@ThreeD.s]

Wow! I learned a lot! Admittedly some of that was “steak” that I don’t have the right teeth for but in the midst of all that, it hit me how much we communicate by the spirit. Once again, it gave me another reason why we need to read scriptures daily and be in tune with theHoly Ghost ❣️ And…. there is no way Joseph Smith authored the Book of Mormon!

[@reppi8742]

I listened. My husband is getting ready to listen and then we are listening with our scriptures open and markers ready! Thank you what a great conversational lesson!❤

[@CwicShow]

Wonderful!

[@primafacie5029]

One of the most profound podcasts I've heard in a while. It's been a long time since I've visited the Temple but your discussion was like fireworks for me.

[@CwicShow]

Great to hear!

[@stormeyholmes267]

That was so awesome! I feel so energized all the while my skin is tingling. I am so grateful for you both! I tell you what, I will never pass, if I can help it from speaking with the tongue of angels in the circle while learning the true order of prayer.

[@xrpreacher6000]

32:25 I agree with what was said about Lehi and other book of Mormon prophets potentially receiving that Melchizedek priesthood power directly from God. The purpose of the priesthood is ultimately to help us develop the POWER and ATTRIBUTES of Godliness, and an ordination to the priesthood would only be a secondary part of God's program towards helping mankind to obtain that divine goal. Lehi likely didn't need an ordination to obtain the power manifested in the ordinances of the higher priesthood. He was given the ceremonial expression of an understanding to what that power is and how it works through the visions and visitations he had with the Lord and other heavenly messengers. That's why his vision of the Tree of Life we have now seems so representative of the current endowment ceremony and symbolisms to us. It is in the ordinances of the priesthood where the power of godliness is manifest, and obtaining the power through that order is what God's glory in us actually is. We become the seed that sprouts up and grows outward into a new tree of life when we attain to this power. A man may be ordained to the priesthood, and given authorization to it's rites, but that authority is absolutely useless without ultimately developing the POWER it points towards. That power is actually only obtained by individuals who will honor that sacred covenant relationship and responsibility by the accountability of order through God. This also looks a lot like an individual who is willing to experiment upon the actual ability of God's order and hold the actual order up in accountability to the power it can truly wield. We must not only understand that the power exists, but we must know how to use it, and then actually do so. That is how men and women alike have access to that power, and that is the difference between "holding" the priesthood, and actually exercising or wielding the power of it. Priesthood power is the power of God. Same laws and rules that even He abides in. His gift to us is for us to be able to obtain it fully. For many men who "hold" the priesthood, they actually have no idea what to do with that authority, and I would suggest if any man wants to know how to better understand how to obtain and use the actual power of the priesthood, that he look no further than the ways of his wife, or any woman for that matter, who naturally cares for and helps meet the spiritual and temporal needs of others. This is why many women in the church actually have much more power in the priesthood than the men who have been charged and authorized with the responsibility to officiate in and administer the ordinances of the priesthood do, and also why I feel that being ordained is only important as an introduction or initiation into that order for the men. Its my opinion that women truly don't need an ordination to start in on learning that accountability towards God, or to learn how to start developing that power; even from an early age.

[@terripontius6257]

This was most enlightening! Thank you, Greg and Todd, for your inspired scholarship and the synergistic way that you taught together.

[@CwicShow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@andrewmaples6755]

What Todd said there at the very end is true, these discussions increase my faith and help me open up the gospel and I'm seeing it everywhere.

[@phadrus]

Yep, it’s bad advice that says one should stay ignorant.

[@tinabrady7310]

When Christ was baptized he was modeling our path back to the father. Again, a pattern. Good job on this one guys!

[@CMZIEBARTH]

The Lectures on Faith refer to Jesus as the prototype of a saved being.

[@kimberli_d9739]

You should do more of these kind of videos! Phenomenal explanation! 🤍

[@stacygodnick3887]

The process of true repentance is a gift!

[@omacookie]

Fascinating, I wish I understood better, but line upon line! I will need to listen to this again and again! I need more of this.

[@jum5238]

I stopped many times during this to write down concepts, thoughts, scripture references. Thank you both! I hope there is more!

[@Missythompson103]

I would love to hear more about women and the matriarchy. As a woman myself it seems I don’t understand as well as Todd seemed to elude to know, specifically within the temple. I would love to hear more insights and more in depth discussions about the differences between the patriarchy and matriarchy. There’s not a lot of resources where I can turn to get more understanding.

[@phadrus]

Check out David Butler, Bruce Porter and Margaret Barker.

[@dawnireland3677]

Look into Egypt. Yes, Bruce porter. I believe there is a good episode with Greg and Bruce on chic media. I know this because I went to Egypt with them a year ago.

[@DestroyerOfWords]

"It is greater to be trusted than it is to be loved." is what my Mission President used to say.

[@denebuxtoo8944]

Hi Todd and Greg, thank you guys for this enlightening conversation! Wow! This makes so much more sense about the Temple and how much more we all need to learn about the Power of the Priesthood and the Holy Order of the Son of God! We all, as women and men need to understand the Power we are Endowed with from on High each time we leave the Temple. By the Power of God's Love in our hearts, minds and souls we can literally, each individually lock Satan out of our hearts, minds and souls through Christ and His atoning power, of repentance and forgiveness every day, so that Satan cannot influence us anymore with his negative, dark power. We must all continue to bask in the light of God and learn more and more from God to receive more light and Truth. And trust in God with all of our hearts, minds and souls. If you will look at the Star of David, you see two triangles emerging one with another a Heavenly triangle coming down from Heaven to emerge into an Earthly triangle that is rising up toward Heaven. Here is where Heaven and Earth meet in an eternal Circle, or an eternal round. We have a Heavenly Father merging with an Earthly Mother and family, wanting to be sealed together for time and all eternity. It's just a thought that I have had for many years. 😊

[@jmjm4860]

Great discussion! Gods plan for his children as it pertains to this life is a book that opens with the fall, and ends with the endowment. What a plan! Despite the struggles he puts us through, I cant imagine a more loving plan.

[@justmyopinion80]

IMO, The Temple ordinances are a foreordination for the next life, much like the foreordination that we received prior to being born into this life.

[@CwicShow]

Well said.

[@RecoveringUGrad]

@@HomesliceDrummer ​​⁠ it’s actually more than that. Kings and priests are spoken of in the book of revelation and Isaiah. This is something that will happen to those living into the transition of the millennium. We will obtain the fulness of the priesthood (power over the elements etc.). Kings and priests are political and spiritual callings/office. Second anointing etc.

[@AaronKastellan]

That's the best explanation I've heard. Well said.

[@carenjennings7744]

I have never thought of this before. Thank you for sharing. I need to think on this - it is truly a beautiful belief.

[@JS-ls6ky]

I have never thought of it this way. However, it makes SO much sense. Thank you for this nugget of truth.

[@zikhonampekula6405]

Thanks for this, as someone preparing to go to the temple for my endowments for the first time, it opened my eyes to an extent. Thank you once again. 🌼

[@CwicShow]

Love hearing that!

[@SynapticSamurai]

He that eyes to see and ears to hear... everytime you see that look for the mysteries of God. Aka the mountain/temple initiation. It's a way to speak to some in the presence of others. He that has ears to hear and eyes to see.

[@Centered1]

The book Preparing for your Endowment by Cory Jensen is superb to prepare you! ❤️❤️❤️

[@PreparingForZion]

Thiank you for this insightful discussion! This is the 2nd time I am watching this and learning more

[@TallPine777]

Thanks!

[@CwicShow]

You’re welcome! And thank you!

[@robynmills5534]

I really like Bruce Porter’s definition of repentance. He says it’s the process of changing one’s character. Pretty much what Greg said. Very interesting video. I felt like it zoomed right over my head many times but still really liked it. I’m going to listen again to see if I catch on a little more.

[@CMZIEBARTH]

President Nelson said similar things. It's about constant improvement.

[@DHanch06]

What a treat to see Todd discussing with you today! Sure miss him in AZ. Loved this episode!!

[@texasgal7924]

Excellent conversation, I really got a lot out of it. I had to go back and re-listen to make sure I caught everything. Love your show Greg, very insightful!

[@CwicShow]

Wonderful!

[@DiCollard]

Love love love this! ❤️🙏🏼Thanks so much for enlightening my soul today! This guy has so much to teach us! Yes please bring him back! ❤️🙌🏻🔥

[@StephanieAQuinn]

Please have this guest back for more

[@helenlehman2939]

This is so profound and enlightening. Thank you 🙏❤️

[@TallPine777]

Incredible discussion of truth and doctrine. You provide us with True value that is life altering and I’m speaking personally. Thank you!

[@CwicShow]

That is so great to hear. Thank you!

[@faymadsen6182]

This was wonderfully eye & ear opening but too short. So many things to talk about! Looking forward to more of these discussions. Thank you both!!

[@EZ3ChordCountry.]

I'm gonna have to listen to this again.... and maybe again. I'm mind-blown and aware that I don't understand all of what they are talking about.

[@CwicShow]

Definitely listen again.

[@ldsinks1]

Me too! So deep but so good. I need to listen 5 more times

[@emh7956]

Love hearing you two discussing these things. Please have Brother McLauchlin on again and again so that you both can get into this deeper. Can't remember where I heard this (Shattering Triangles?) Prayer circle: Christ is in the center of the prayer circle (point of the compass). We see each other differently if we see each other with Christ in the middle of our view of each other (or the person in the circle represents Christ).

[@jum5238]

I think that was Brother Dunford speaking of the symbols of circles.

[@phadrus]

Yes this is the mor ancient understanding from early Christian fathers. The people in the circle also turn their back to the world and dance with their hands.

[@stacygodnick3887]

This conversation oozes spiritual knowledge and feelings.

[@rachalemcconner8970]

The Brother of Jared's vision of being before the Lord is temple orientation as well.

[@TubularMag]

Great discussion, Greg. The DBR thing is new to me, have you covered that in more depth in another video? I have wondered about what Moses 6:7 is calling the Priesthood: Moses 6: 1 And Adam hearkened unto the voice of God, and called upon his sons to repent. 2 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bare a son, and he called his name Seth. And Adam glorified the name of God; for he said: God hath appointed me another seed, instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 3 And God revealed himself unto Seth, and he rebelled not, but offered an acceptable sacrifice, like unto his brother Abel. And to him also was born a son, and he called his name Enos. 4 And then began these men to call upon the name of the Lord, and the Lord blessed them; 5 And a book of remembrance was kept, in the which was recorded, in the language of Adam, for it was given unto as many as called upon God to write by the spirit of inspiration; 6 And by them their children were taught to read and write, having a language which was pure and undefiled. 7 Now this same Priesthood, which was in the beginning, shall be in the end of the world also.

[@kaiudall2583]

That passage seems to be an allegory to eternal families. Priesthood authority being passed on to all generations through righteous living and keeping the commandments which God has revealed to us. But it’s probably deeper than that

[@CwicShow]

This is something I have developed and will be found in my book. Here is an episode touching on it - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHOreHaiiN2KhbM

[@marlenegallacher7178]

Thanks for this delicious feast❤

[@christopheryuen9498]

These are the best types of conversations you post.

[@loisleonard9436]

But all are good.😊

[@danjohnson8556]

Good discussion. Much learned and felt.

[@CwicShow]

Awesome!

[@Jonnyb56]

Great video Greg. There was so much there and Todd was amazing. Getting into these deep doctrinal discussions is so great and so fun. I learned a lot. I love the different views and angles both you and Todd presented. Another great and important show, thank you.

[@tammigarlick1234]

Great discussion!! I love this spreading of truth and light! Keep up the good work brothers!

[@tdb1969]

I have a question to any expert out there. There was a women many years ago that drove negligently by driving too fast and coming up on a slower vehicle. She locked up the brakes, swerved and skidded across 3 1/2 lanes of a highway, fishtailing and slamming the side of her car into the side and rear axle of a pickup truck attempting to evade her. The evasive action taken suggests that the action kept the truck from going on top of her and killing her. She lived, the impact (45 mph) caused the truck(50 mph) to flip 2 or 3 times killing the truck driver. This woman was embraced by an airbag manufacture to promote their product and went to there meeting and as reported in the news article "Autoliv: Results are no accident" states she said her car was smashed by a pickup truck and the other driver was killed. Her statement and image was used by this airbag manufacture in their 2006 Annual financial report that can be downloaded. My question should a Mormon after killing an innocent individual as a result of her negligent driving, be profiting (sympathy of others, maybe financially/party favorites) by lying and deception by omission. The evidence shows that the fishtailing effect of her car, caused the left rear of her car to slide under the bed of the pickup in front of the rear tire then the truck wheel running over the back crushing the rear of the car. She never stated she caused it. Also since it states in 2 Ne 9:34 Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell If she never states the truth and continues portray herself as a victim instead of the perpetrator will she be REDEEMED. Just as a side note, she had her child after this incident. Her child married (presumably in the temple) on the birth day of the father of 3 girls under 10 that she killed. I wonder if she was allowed in the temple.

[@janettestevens8421]

I’m so sorry for your loss. The death of a loved one consumes us until we find peace in Christ. May I share the wisdom I received when facing a similar situation? “Pray for your enemies”. When I first heard these words, my heart stirred in anger. How could I pray from someone who had destroyed my life and the lives of others? Those words would not fade - and eventually I took my first step. I put the woman’s name on the prayer roll of the Temple. I did the best I could at that time. Eventually, I knelt to pray for her as I had been encouraged to do so. Over time, it became easier to pray for her. One day, as I was kneeling in prayer, the Heaven’s opened my mind. I could see this woman and how wretched her life was. She was in so much emotional and physical pain. Next I could see my life and all the many blessings the Lord had poured out upon me - and all the blessings He was going to pour out upon me. Did the woman change? No. But the Lord changed my heart and blessed me with His peace…”that passeth all understanding”. I pray you will think about my experience and listen to the same wisdom. God Bless.

[@shanethompson2406]

Love this channel bro Greg. Normally you raise my BP some. This broadcast just brought me joy! Thanks

[@alexburton8376]

Great discussion! Keep these coming!

[@stacygodnick3887]

Wow! I learned so much listening to your podcasts!

[@CwicShow]

I love hearing that!

[@rconger24]

I remember a YT presentation Brother McLaughlin gave a few years ago and trying to get it all into some notes. I could lay my hand on them in less than 1 minute.

[@Dunlappin]

If you want to understand certain elements and symbols of the temple endowment, study the coronation proceedings of kings and queens. It was very enlightening to me and confirmed to me when you said we are "practicing" for the real thing. We get many dress rehearsals as we are in our own process of sanctification to become such. 💡

[@CMZIEBARTH]

Even though it's not deliberated on too much here the point made beginning at 33:55 is super important, and ties in with the New Testament, and flies in the face of the idea that too many have that a man can get to heaven on his own while a woman can only get in with her husband's permission. The reality is practically the opposite. Okay, that's enough for now. Well, I will say that a man can only achieve exaltation if he has become the type of man his wife would want to spend eternity with. There's too much talk of, "My husband is a jerk but the Church tells me I can only get to heaven if I just put up with him." But that is not how it works. UPDATE: I see that this gets touched on somewhat later.

[@jasontucker3295]

Why do so many LDS teachers act like that brother of Jared experience isn't possible? Moroni wrote it right there. . I heard it again today. No wonder miracles cease because of unbelief.

[@phadrus]

The whole earth and everything on it is a greater miracle than a few rocks. People take the miracles all around them for granted.

[@RoundyTiffany]

Beautiful discussion and very enlightening. Thank you so much!!!

[@CwicShow]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@stephanieeastman2791]

At the 34 minute mark the second anointing by a woman is mentioned. What are good resources to learn more about that?

[@phadrus]

Very little. The wife washes the husbands feet. Could be a shadow of the ancient matriarchal selection process of picking and selecting kings. Also related to coronation rights. Check out Bruce Porter for more information.

[@cindlou7335]

Greg, i always love hearing your thoughts on the temple!! I struggle with guests sometimes... it depends if I've seen them arguing on Facebook pages or anything like that. However, that being said, this was a very interesting episode, and i would like to hear more 😁

[@profunditiesfrompops125]

Thanks Greg, Todd seemed to have a wonderful spirit that accompanied his comments.

[@camiharris2916]

I wish more time was given to Todd to talk. He is the reason I came to this video.

[@lindamartinez7006]

Nay Todd will go too far over your head. Gregg Matson kept it good . They were both good .

[@taramalan904]

I’ve been hoping you two would get together for a discussion for a long time. This was a nice intro and I’m excited for future discussions between y’all.

[@MsLT62]

I loved this teaching and discussion. Thank you! Todd also has a great KZbin channel called Shattering Triangles.

[@JennicaSmith9408]

Maybe I heard wrong, but it sounded like one of you said essentially reaching the Tree of Life is when the Lord parts the veil and you see Him (in the temple). The tree of life is so far beyond the veil being parted and Christ appearing to an individual. Don't limit yourself to believing that's where the journey ends. Think, one eternal round, and Christ is the halfway mark. Without Him you can neither begin nor end, but His companionship begins in the middle, there's much that comes after.

[@scottishhorns4001]

Good discussion I have never thought about the rippling effect of baptism since my mission.

[@dougknighton5348]

29:05 Have we mastered judgement, mercy and faith to such an extent that now we're delving into realms mysterious? I can't help but wonder if discussions like these are consistent with looking beyond the mark. I'm sorry if my comment comes across as arrogant or naive.... maybe even judgemental. I just wonder why we make the simple gospel of love so complex when it is not supposed to be.

[@DoctrineofChrist248]

Hey brother, I understand where you're coming from. The "milk" portion of the Doctrine of Christ is simple - but there is so much meat to enjoy for those who humbly seek. The meat may appear daunting and unnecessarily complex at first, but if we hold fast to the word of Christ it becomes a rich tapestry of the "Doctrines of the Kingdom". Remember, Nephi highly encourages us to seek the mysteries. He laments over our unbelief. The mysteries are not vain secrets, but the truths that lead us back to the Father, Mother, and Son, and to eternal life. The "what" of the Gospel is simple, but the "how" and "why" are rich. Also, mastering "judgement, mercy, and faith" *require* an immersion in the mysterious.

[@phadrus]

Do what’s good for you.

[@michaelharrisactor]

Great discussion, but it would really help if you had some illustrations of the principles you are discussing.

[@jgclarke0352]

That would definitely help me keep up

[@iliek3102]

Great insights. Profoundly deep. Loved it. TY 🫶

[@karlawallentine6596]

Excellent conversation, thank you! I’ve enjoyed listening to Todd’s knowledge on “Shattering Triangles” on KZbin.

[@bibiclark3042]

Very interesting and inspiring.loved it. Thanks for sharing……but, inquiring minds would like to know: if the Tree of Life represents Heavenly Mother and the Fruit Christ, then who does the tree of knowledge and its fruit represent? Any thoughts?

[@CwicShow]

I think it represents several things, but primarily, I believe it represents the law of God.

[@xrpreacher6000]

1:16:06 Christ didn't "have the Melchizedek priesthood, per se" because He WAS the manifestation of the order. Melchizedek held the order after The Son of God. That order was given by the premortal Christ or Jehovah. Jesus was simply manifesting what He had already taught the ancients about the order. Yes, we call it the Melchizedek priesthood, but "it" is what Christ is actually demonstrating by being baptized by the order He gave anciently that ended up in John's hands. As a reminder, the Aaronic priesthood isn't a separate priesthood. It is an appendage to the authority of God given to men on the earth as a whole. It may be given in a preparation format alone, but it is a part of the same thing and the ordinances of the "Melchizedek" priesthood are still exercised in continuing conjunction with the preparatory rites. You can't have the fullness of the priesthood in operation without both. It's a combination. The full rites of the priesthood can only be brought through the lower parts of the priesthood as a whole. I love this discussion about the Savior manifesting the way. He is the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes unto the Father, but by Him.

[@hikaritoshinri]

Love this, thanks

[@DFF1234]

gratitude helps gain blessings

[@SteveNielsen-dx6vk]

Can you guys share the meaning of the 5 components associated with each of the five covenants? That would take us a long way. Thanks

[@CwicShow]

Components?

[@lauraolsen9545]

Amazing insights. I wish I could have a private discussion with you two and ask a bunch of questions!

[@ClintK.]

I've always had a huge ? Of what is taking place during the True Order of prayer. This helped a lot in pointing me to learn more about it.

[@RLDRemembrance]

This was amazing, thank you for sharing! All my love your way! 🙏

[@CwicShow]

Thank you.

[@kimkaysmith]

Where can I learn about this “next succession” that he talks about around 33:52?

[@chansebunker7373]

Second anointing is not a very openly discussed ordinance, but it is the ordinance that involves sealing someone up to eternal life and gives them the fulness of the priesthood. I believe D&C 132 talks about this anointing along with the temple sealing.

[@FleeingBabylon-Now]

Jew_ish Mysticism. It is no where in scripture.

[@CwicShow]

Thank you for the comment. Jewish mysticism? First of all, this is not coming from Jewish mysticism. Secondly, there is evidence for this in the Old Testament and other Jewish writings. Also, the Asherah was thrown out of the temple. We really don’t know exactly what that was. The account in the Old Testament was likely written by the Deuteronomists, who took over the religion and corrupted it at the time of Lehi. That is why Jerusalem was so wicked and so corrupted. Including the temple. You should dosome research on this. Read the book of Jeremiah. That's a good start.

[@FleeingBabylon-Now]

@@CwicShow The sin that they fell in always was worshiping the Canaanite deities of Baal and Asherah. Mother and sun. Our whole world does it now. The whole new age movement as well as secret gadiantons since Babylon to our day are based on these teachings. Yes Juda fell in error in Babylon as they took on the Mysticism and merged it with their religion. It is what the Pharisees practiced and the reason the Savior said Sat_an was their father. The main teaching is that man can ascend to be god through knowledge. Not meaning to offend but there are very troubling aspects of what your guest talks of. On Jeremiah he speaks just as Isaiah of our day and it is not pretty, see Jer 23. Love Jeremiah, would he fare any better among us today?

[@CwicShow]

@@FleeingBabylon-Now You're not getting it Rick, we're not talking about the Canaanite Goddess.

[@jerry_phillips]

The presentation of the endowment gives an overview of the plan of salvation but one thing that has always alluded me is why so much time is spent on the creation. Is it just that so much of the presentation has been shortened except for that portion and so it now takes up a disproportionate amount of time?

[@CwicShow]

The creation is a parallel to our creation and to the priesthood. Read Abraham 3. Also, the creation exists to allow us the physical ordinances required for Exaltation. It is a onramp to covenants.

[@jerry_phillips]

@@CwicShow I’ll read it. Thanks again.

[@jerry_phillips]

@@CwicShowCan you expand on what you mean that the creation is a parallel to the priesthood?

[@CwicShow]

@@jerry_phillips As I stated in the video, priesthood is order (DBR). The creation is creating order. We get an order of the cosmos in the creation story, then an order of priesthood or hierarchy/patriarchy, in the delegation of the creators/messengers. This is exactly what is happening in Abraham chapter 3.

[@AlecSorensen]

Wonderful video, the big picture that can easily be lost in the individual stories of Mormon scripture.

[@Rizkid22]

Love this discussion so much!!

[@cwrighty100]

Just subscribed and love love love the deeper discussions...I am a FamilySearch Missionary leader in the UK. Keep up the good work.

[@CwicShow]

Welcome aboard!

[@KB-nv4bl]

Thank you Greg and Todd both for a very wonderful content presentation. While I was watching, I had some sudden giggles come to me as I thought about HelloSaints Pastor Jeff, and how confused he would’ve been. Lol. Hopefully he will watch this and learn something.❤❤❤😂

[@CMZIEBARTH]

Have to allow each person to have their journey.

[@uniacke]

I think the tree is the ordinance of the resurrection The fruit is the convent The Angel and the flaming sword represents repentance It is only by passing through repentance that we can receive exaltation

[@phadrus]

Nephi asks for an explanation of his father’s vision and the tree is more the Devine feminine and the fruit the son. But hey I think you could argue there’s even more symbolism packed in there. God works on many levels at once.

[@wendywestern7593]

I would LOVE to hear the symbolism of the creation drama. What does the creation tell us about ourselves and why is it a major story in every temple endowment. How can the drama of the creation make a difference in my own life?

[@rosalielines1801]

It seems that Faith, Trust, Honor, Authority, Proving, Truth and Power (Empowerment) are the concepts at work in reclaiming/receiving/being restored to the Presence of Deity.

[@Lady_JS]

Wonderful!!!

[@Hawkquill]

In Revelation 22:14 it states; 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. How I understand it is, Adam and Eve broke the laws of God, and as it states in the Temple that Christ represents the veil, He comes between us and the Father as we have now fallen out, gets us to admit we were wrong, and repent pays for our mistakes until we ourselves can keep the commandments which includes love John 13:34-35. We know that Lamen and Lemuel never got to the tree of life as they never kept the commandments. Therefore wandered off into the mist of darkness, If we continue to break God's laws without repenting and doing our best to keep them and at some point live them perfectly can we ever stand in the presence of God? We know Christ said if thou lovest me keep my commandments. Just a thought 🤔

[@Sejah-iw8fo]

Thanks for the discussion

[@CwicShow]

You’re welcome

[@caguas97]

What a great discussion! I disagree that Lehi received the Priesthood during his vision and theophany. He already had it. Lehi was performing Melchizedek Priesthood functions before his vision... He interceded on behalf of the people: "Wherefore it came to pass that my father, Lehi, as he went forth prayed unto the Lord, yea, even with all his heart, in behalf of his people. And it came to pass as he prayed unto the Lord, there came a pillar of fire and dwelt upon a rock before him;" (1 Nephi 1:5-6). That rock was an altar. Lehi was interceding. Priesthood Function. And then Lehi performed sacrifice: "And it came to pass that he built an altar of stones, and made an offering unto the Lord, and gave thanks unto the Lord our God." (1 Nephi 2:7) And all this was before the man in a white robe took him through his vision, ending at the Tree of Life. President Joseph Fielding Smith gives us this insight of the Melchizedek Priesthood from the days of Moses through Christ: "Now, the influence is very strong. It seems to me at least, that these young men who were called the sons of the prophets were not Levites. You know the Lord took away Moses and the higher priesthood, the Melchizedek Priesthood, from Israel and left with them the Aaronic Priesthood and the carnal law. And so the sons of Aaron became the priests of the people and ministered to them, looked after their wants-but in their restricted way, because as the Lord has pointed out in Section 84 of the Doctrine and Covenants, they were subject to the preparatory gospel of faith, repentance, and baptism, and they had no power to lay on hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. There were other things, too, that they could not do; and so the Lord had to keep someone with the Melchizedek Priesthood, although it was not scattered among the tribes of Israel. Most of those who held the higher priesthood were not of the tribe of Levi. Some were, but others came from other tribes. These prophets gathered around them choice young men and taught them, instructed them; and they followed in the footsteps of these prophets and became known as the sons of the prophets. It was a group of these young men who followed Elijah, and who followed Elisha, and who were present on the occasion when Saul was anointed king of Israel. Now, all of the Melchizedek Priesthood was not given to everyone. It was confined to a select few. Of these few that were some who came out of the other tribes of Israel, who followed the prophets, and, by their faith and understanding, became prophets themselves. Just how many of them were given the authority to officiate in the higher ordinances, the Lord has not revealed. It was only by special appointment that this priesthood was given to any of the prophets. These students of Elisha and Elijah, and a few others, were chosen, then, by revelation and commissioned, at least many of them, to anoint and to bless; and they were sent to deliver prophetic messages from time to time." (Seek Ye Earnestly, 195-196) So though one may have a theophany, and be brought into the presence of God, that is not to equate that experience with receiving the Priesthood. Joseph Smith didn't receive the Priesthood in his first vision (theophany). "We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof." (Article of Faith #5). One cannot simply claim authority by theophany. There is a Priesthood line of Authority. Records must be kept. There is an order to things (D&C 132:8) Moses definitely got the Priesthood from Jethro the Midianite.... not even the house of Israel. Probably descended through Ishmael. There have always been Melchizedek Priesthood holders who pass the Priesthood on through the laying on of hands to worthy people.

[@CwicShow]

Yes, and with Moses, we get it right in Section 84. A line of those who receive the Melchizedek Priesthood by ordination of other men.

[@chansebunker7373]

@@caguas97that serves as an introduction to the Book of Nephi, Nephi is saying he’s going to show us how he attained the mysteries throughout the text.

[@hikaritoshinri]

@@caguas97 You couldn't obtain the Melchizedek Priesthood by the ordination of men during the Mosaic Dispensation.

[@caguas97]

@@hikaritoshinri I think that is incorrect, and I think there is plenty of evidence, including statements by latter-day prophets, that indicates otherwise.

[@hikaritoshinri]

Joseph Smith - "The Priesthood of Melchizedeck taken away when Moses died. All priesthood is Melchizedeck; but there are different portions or degrees of it. That portion which brought Moses to speak with God face to face was taken away; but that which brought the ministry of angels remained. All the Prophets had the Melchizedeck Priesthood and was ordained by God himself." Andrew Ehat. Teachings and Sayings of the Prophet Joseph Smith (8.5x11 Version) (1) (Kindle Locations 3434-3435). Kindle Edition.

[@wilderwoman27]

Please, what IS the reason the women are separated from the men in the endowment?

[@lindamartinez7006]

Could be that women are seen as Eve and Men are seen as Adam . You each enter on your own righteousness .

[@lindamartinez7006]

Seems the fruit is eternal life and all the gospel ordinates and the atonement of Jesus Christ . As Jesus Christ is the tree of Life .

[@lindamartinez7006]

I think Gregg did a good job explains condencesation

[@kensrobertson]

Wow, lots of deep, profound stuff to ponder. Great discussion, gonna bookmark and save this one! I was converted in my mid twenties, and was never exposed to mormon "culture" and I don't understand how members can connect repentance and the wrath of God. Perhaps they hear those terms used in the same sentence but aren't listening to the context? The two are consistently separated from each other, as in "repent, OR suffer the wrath of God." Could it be more clear?

[@vincentvos3434]

Great Show !

[@jerry_phillips]

2:08 Actually in the latest changes Satan doesn’t say she won’t die. That was excised. In fact I now find it hard to see how he’s deceiving her. Everything he says now is correct.

[@CwicShow]

Hey Jerry, thanks for the comment. Sure, but the changes in the temple drama today do not change the scriptures. Genesis 3:3-4 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. Moses 4:9-11 9 But of the fruit of the tree which thou beholdest in the midst of the garden, God hath said-Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 10 And the serpent said unto the woman: Ye shall not surely die; 11 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Of course in the narration of these accounts, God is shown to have said the opposite and here Satan is countering God's words. That is a big part of the story. God says there will be judgment, Satan says there will not. And sure enough, God's words are fulfilled after they partake of the fruit when the cherubim arrive on the stage. Of course, we have also removed the curses (natural consequences) for Adam and Eve. But of course, we live those curses every day.

[@jerry_phillips]

@@CwicShow Thanks for the clarification. I suppose you can also imply that he’s deceiving her by not telling her she’ll suffer a spiritual death. Either way seems like a pretty important thing to take out since it’s the lie he told her.

[@CwicShow]

I think he is telling her that. To our modern, scientific minds, we do not see or hear spiritual duality in ancient texts. But it's everywhere in the scriptures. I would recommend one of the two best-supporting accounts of the Garden of Eden (both in the Book of Mormon) Alma 11-12 First, Amulek speaks of the physical death, then Alma speaks of the spiritual. "Death" is judgment and physical death. Anyway, I always appreciate your comments!

[@gaynorwells7867]

Thank you for this.

[@mmeszmurrized7872]

Thank you!! I love your channel.

[@cherylb5953]

I’ve never heard this level of commentary on endowment before. Wondering if it’s all quite appropriate. Maybe so, but I know this much discussion outside the temple itself, was not common when I received my endowment, or for many many years following.

[@phadrus]

There are very few things in the temple that are actually “secret”. However everything is sacred.